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Molly Ivins: Habeas Corpus, R.I.P. (1215 - 2006)

Posted on Sep 27, 2006

By Molly Ivins

With a smug stroke of his pen, President Bush is set to wipe out a safeguard against illegal imprisonment that has endured as a cornerstone of legal justice since the Magna Carta.

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AUSTIN, Texas—Oh dear. I’m sure he didn’t mean it. In Illinois’ Sixth Congressional District, long represented by Henry Hyde, Republican candidate Peter Roskam accused his Democratic opponent, Tammy Duckworth, of planning to “cut and run” on Iraq.

Duckworth is a former Army major and chopper pilot who lost both legs in Iraq after her helicopter got hit by an RPG. “I just could not believe he would say that to me,” said Duckworth, who walks on artificial legs and uses a cane. Every election cycle produces some wincers, but how do you apologize for that one?

The legislative equivalent of that remark is the detainee bill now being passed by Congress. Beloveds, this is so much worse than even that pathetic deal reached last Thursday between the White House and Republican Sens. John Warner, John McCain and Lindsey Graham. The White House has since reinserted a number of “technical fixes” that were the point of the putative “compromise.” It leaves the president with the power to decide who is an enemy combatant.

This bill is not a national security issue—this is about torturing helpless human beings without any proof they are our enemies. Perhaps this could be considered if we knew the administration would use the power with enormous care and thoughtfulness. But of the over 700 prisoners sent to Gitmo, only 10 have ever been formally charged with anything. Among other things, this bill is a CYA for torture of the innocent that has already taken place.


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Death by torture by Americans was first reported in 2003 in a New York Times article by Carlotta Gall. The military had announced the prisoner died of a heart attack, but when Gall saw the death certificate, written in English and issued by the military, it said the cause of death was homicide. The “heart attack” came after he had been beaten so often on his legs that they had “basically been pulpified,” according to the coroner.

The story of why and how it took the Times so long to print this information is in the current edition of the Columbia Journalism Review. The press in general has been late and slow in reporting torture, so very few Americans have any idea how far it has spread. As is often true in hierarchical, top-down institutions, the orders get passed on in what I call the downward communications exaggeration spiral.

For example, on a newspaper, a top editor may remark casually, “Let’s give the new mayor a chance to see what he can do before we start attacking him.”

This gets passed on as “Don’t touch the mayor unless he really screws up.”

And it ultimately arrives at the reporter level as “We can’t say anything negative about the mayor.”

The version of the detainee bill now in the Senate not only undoes much of the McCain-Warner-Graham work, but it is actually much worse than the administration’s first proposal. In one change, the original compromise language said a suspect had the right to “examine and respond to” all evidence used against him. The three senators said the clause was necessary to avoid secret trials. The bill has now dropped the word “examine” and left only “respond to.”

In another change, a clause said that evidence obtained outside the United States could be admitted in court even if it had been gathered without a search warrant. But the bill now drops the words “outside the United States,” which means prosecutors can ignore American legal standards on warrants.

The bill also expands the definition of an unlawful enemy combatant to cover anyone who has “has purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States.” Quick, define “purposefully and materially.” One person has already been charged with aiding terrorists because he sold a satellite TV package that includes the Hezbollah network.

The bill simply removes a suspect’s right to challenge his detention in court. This is a rule of law that goes back to the Magna Carta in 1215. That pretty much leaves the barn door open.

As Vladimir Bukovsky, the Soviet dissident, wrote, an intelligence service free to torture soon “degenerates into a playground for sadists.” But not unbridled sadism—you will be relieved that the compromise took out the words permitting interrogation involving “severe pain” and substituted “serious pain,” which is defined as “bodily injury that involves extreme physical pain.”

In July 2003, George Bush said in a speech: “The United States is committed to worldwide elimination of torture, and we are leading this fight by example. Freedom from torture is an inalienable human right. Yet torture continues to be practiced around the world by rogue regimes, whose cruel methods match their determination to crush the human spirit.”

Fellow citizens, this bill throws out legal and moral restraints as the president deems it necessary—these are fundamental principles of basic decency, as well as law.

I’d like those supporting this evil bill to spare me one affliction: Do not, please, pretend to be shocked by the consequences of this legislation. And do not pretend to be shocked when the world begins comparing us to the Nazis.

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By James Morehouse, December 2, 2006 at 11:21 am Link to this comment
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In response to comment #26222, we *are* revolting.  We’ve allowed it to happen.  It has been said that people deserve the government they get.  We deserve this because we sit idly and watch football and reality shows and talk about the Hummer we will buy soon.

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By george dillon slater, November 1, 2006 at 2:25 am Link to this comment
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Good Golly Ms Molly,

I would hope that every other American I met
had atleast half of your intelligence, humor,
and heart.


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By Bukko in Australia, October 23, 2006 at 1:36 am Link to this comment
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Smarter N.U.—Thanks for the link to the FSM. I’m so glad I was wearing adult diapers, because it made me piss my pants. Now all those existential mysteries I wondered about all make sense…

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By Smarter N. U., October 21, 2006 at 7:20 am Link to this comment
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It has nothing to do with the Jews, you morons!  It is the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster!

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By John C. Bonser, October 17, 2006 at 3:15 pm Link to this comment
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If I have posted this before - please forgive me:

“In Germany they first came for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist.

“Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew.

“Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist.

“Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant.

“Then they came for me —
and by that time no one was left to speak up.”

Pastor Martin Niemoller

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By Michael DePaul, October 17, 2006 at 6:37 am Link to this comment
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Well its official now

why is it impossible to be a Jewish left-wing radical

i’m tired of all this zionist conspiricy shit
the only reason Bush supports Israel is because the Jews need to build another temple for Jesus to come back.

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By aloharob, October 15, 2006 at 8:18 pm Link to this comment
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Children often resort to physical force and intimidation. Often they fight when unable to get what they want via dialectic and peaceful debate.If necessary they lie and fight dirty .Too young to have read Machiavelli,they inherently justify their means. Fortunately , many grow up and become decent human beings.Some do not. From a beautiful (albeit stolen) island in the Pacific, Mahalo and Aloha

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By Ted Herlinger, October 13, 2006 at 11:08 am Link to this comment
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Read it and weep:

Documents Reveal Scope of US Database on Antiwar Protests
  By Eric Lichtblau
  The New York Times

  “Internal military documents released Thursday provided new details about the Defense Department’s collection of information on demonstrations nationwide last year by students, Quakers and others opposed to the Iraq war.

  “The documents, obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union under a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, show, for instance, that military officials labeled as “potential terrorist activity” events like a “Stop the War Now” rally in Akron, Ohio, in March 2005.

  “‘There is simply no reason why the United States military should be monitoring the peaceful activities of American citizens who oppose U.S. war policies,’ said Ben Wizner, a lawyer for the A.C.L.U.

  “Joyce Miller, an official with the American Friends Service Committee, a Quaker group that learned that information on some of its antiwar protests was in the military database, said she found the operation to be a “chilling” and troubling trend.”

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By Ron Weinert, October 12, 2006 at 5:38 pm Link to this comment
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To 28509, yes, the suspension of habeas corpus is in the constitution, but not under the circumstances in this country today. We are not in an insurrection, nor have we been invaded. Incidentally, Lincoln was soundly, and most likely correctly criticized for his suspension of it.
Congress has made it possible for Bush to do it on whimsy—-all he has to do is name someone, anyone, an “enemy combatant,” and that does not mean that person has to be carrying a weapon or be captured in a combat setting. In addition, Bush can have “aggressive interrogation” used on said “enemy combatant” and sir, that means torture. Bush has not said that they will not use water boarding, for instance, and that, my obtuse friend, is EFFING TORTURE.

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By Jay, October 12, 2006 at 3:05 pm Link to this comment
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Dumbasses, the president has always had the power to suspend habeas corpus. It’s in the consititution, and Abraham Lincoln did it.

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By Norman Gregory Fernandez, Esq., October 12, 2006 at 10:57 am Link to this comment
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What more is there to be said. We are well on the road to becoming a Police State.

It seems that some people are more concerned about their respective political party’s power, than the people of this great nation.

We are now the United Corporations of America.

Our founding fathers are rolling in their graves. They fought a revolution to rid themselves of just this kink of tyranny. I am afraid to contemplate what comes next.

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By Eochaidh MacDhalaigh OghaChruithne, October 9, 2006 at 1:19 pm Link to this comment
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Consider what happened in 1930s Nazi Germany.  Except for Jews, homosexuals, Gypsies, and so on; ordinary Germans just went about their ordinary business until an outside force put an end to the Holocaust.  What if ordinary Germans mailed a letter to Hitler declaring themselves to be Jews?

Americans are not taking any risks or helping the victims - mostly Muslem - of the Bush dictatorship unless they take Direct Action against the American Neo-Nazi government by sending the Department of Defense an e-mail declaring that they’re Enemy Combantants.  The only question is:  should it be Unlawful Enemy Combatant or just Enemy Combatant.  I’ve done alot of soul searching over this question, so I hereby declare that I’m an Unlawful Enemy Combatant.

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By Abdifatah Suleiman (theguided one), October 8, 2006 at 9:23 pm Link to this comment
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The American people are still the same, but the government is not the same, it is totally something else, as it is I am a world citizen who loves mankind as brothers and sisters, who cares about people, and No matter what I say or Do, No human has questioned me about it, the readers of this website are all educated and good humans, weither America gets the power/law of their country back to thier hand or not, we are going to see , every nation under the control of its people in 18 years, this is fact, The lord is behind this operation restoring law and order, before I knew who I was, I child dreamed, I wanted to invest in this great nation, but the Jewish said. let him invest but don’t give him reward because he is anti-simitic( anti_jewish) in fact which I was not, this administration listened , and obay the Zionist, finally God has Contacted me and Told me that I was the Guided one (mahdi) who will appear just before the appearence of The master of the Messengers Issa the son of mary (jesus)

the Lord told me that every things helps both good and evil, and That I was not Liar but the Jewish were Liars, Allah Said worldly things are nothing , the lord Told me that I was Just human, who shares same believe with every human, just a man who is human being, God promised me that he will take me to the Seventh heaven, and finnaly He said You will shine over them now Go back to hell! the Hell is here , I was expecting to go to the Seventh Heaven but The lord said you have to serve me and do task for me now back to hell, and I was this helly Life again,  I am 22 years old, and never give full responsiblity to person under the age 40, maybe I will do some great mission before i read 40, but for the guranteed site we will be 100% under law and order,peace, justice, equaillty, Golden age!  So America start getting your nation back from the Jewish now or wait for 18 years when for sure every nation will be under the control if it own people not others, my relationship to this adminstration is fine, they only took away my worldy things ,and I have more responsiblity then complaining about worldy things, we live side by side, I show them that they are nothing but losers, and they just make themselves busy with lifes on shows like this, saying such as, here our freedoms goes, we want make them all like him, damn it I will bring you all to justice if you last in 18 years, you are faulures, the American people are still the same but the goverment is not, how can you take over your government America, you are facing the worst enemy ever the zionist, they hit this nation on the head , making them not remember things, they killed Americans inorder to justfy attacking the enemy of the zionist, America had the right to fight back, but did it really hit the right target? human being, you are a human, I hope you understand that we are only human being and mistakes and evil things happen, so always use your brain correctlly and make changes as you needed, i hope America remembers who hit her on the head if it recovers , I will well for All Americans, who are suffering from this attack, and I hope you recover from the attack, salaam (peace and security)

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By ABDIFATAH SULEIMAN MUSSE, October 7, 2006 at 4:05 pm Link to this comment
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I believe America have been hijicked by Zionist,

you can still feel the left over of this great nation after it has been complety under the control of The Jewish, sometimes I accidentlly support the claims of the Jewish that we are treat the freedom and the well being this nation while infact we (the muslims) wish well for mankind by not being patient,  the first time I came into existence in the knowledge of the government was that I was A guy who was dreaming a child dream, who wanted to invest in this nation, but the Jewish lied and said , he is anti-jewish which I was not, and they said i was religious, in fact when I was a regular person,  but there was people who love me and who care about me, but saddy they had no power but to tell the truth, all the good people could was please understand the guy, he doesn’t edit his work, and when I get mad them, and talk extreme to the government they explain that this guy is suffering injustice, and there is nothing but love and everything else is illustion, so 99% of the people who knew about this were good and only 1% were bad, but guess what? that 1% is the power holding ones, even not bush the Zionist are that 1% and they run the government, America by its hard working people, and its great great founder build a great and strong nation, and they warned the coming generation of the dangour that face them, as its on the record America fathers warn about the influnece and the take over of the Jewish, but latelly America forgot and it found it self under the goverment of isreal, so everthing is in mess, it takes a man to make it net, already we are war with Fake terror and the real terror is in our system, so, all the dumb leader can do is ignore the real terror and try to first finish up with the current conflic then, maybe fix this problem later, and that is dumb as I titled, a leader will do something else, which I will not say it here, a leader will make change, a leader will say I made mistake, I have been on the right path, a leader will ask his people for guidance if he doesn’t believe in God, God will not help you unless your first help yourself, so America should elect an American next election not Zionist, and the American leader whould not give all his sets to the zionizt instead of Americans,  in fact Allah Has informed that the Problem is the Jewish and that I will shine over them , infact America is still America but its facing big problem it needs a man to lead the country I hope a man will step in and put this nation on its postion, for you those who are saying I am leaving America, you are wrong you need to say and make change, organise your family and make sure this nation is ruled by the book the Law of the gosbel not the law of the Zionist,  America there is task ahead, if America can not get rid of the Zonist by itself, I will put each nation in the hand of its people in 18 years , atlest when I am 40,  because Allah has promised me that I will shine over them The Jewish, So by the Age 40 I am responsible and Allah will give all means of power and knowledge now ,because I am still not as patien and as responsible as I should be, by allah’s mercy we will see Golden age , salam

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By Markoff Chaney, October 5, 2006 at 11:48 am Link to this comment
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I’m sure there’s a giant octopus in all of this.

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By Bukko in Australia, October 3, 2006 at 9:41 pm Link to this comment
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How are you going Unimaginative? I agree with you about the UK. My wife and I had the misfortune to fly through Heathrow on the way to the Continent last month. The paranoia there was as thick as in the U.S. Australia also has potentially draconian laws on the books, and no Bill of Rights as in the U.S. However, we’ve seen the Bill of Rights can be treated as a “poo ticket” (Aussie slang for piece of toilet paper) when you get right down to it.

What gives me faith is the spirit of the people here. They’re better educated in general than Americans, and anti-authoritarian by nature. I think it has something to do with the mindset of living in a land of wide open spaces—as the U.S. used to be. Whilst it’s true that there are squalid prison camps for illegal immigrants—like the desert ones in the Northern Territory or on isolated islands in the Coral Sea—many Australians are up in arms about it. I didn’t see similar protests against treatment of Muslim immigrants swept up in the spasm after 9/11. And after all, a country can’t just allow everyone to enter. But they should be treated humanely before being returned to whence they came.

Lastly, as fascist as John Howard and the Liberals are, I believe they are working to better the lives of Aussies in general. (I still hope they’re turfed out in the elections next year.) Sadly, the U.S. government seems only to be acting on behalf of the corporations and the richest 1,000 people in the country.

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By unimaginative pseudonym, October 3, 2006 at 2:24 pm Link to this comment
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For those of you thinking of becoming political refugees from the US over this stinky BS, please don’t waste your time considering the UK (the rest of europe’s probably right out, as well). We got something similar - The Civil Contingencies Act - passed through a similar silent backdoor about 18 months ago… greased it’s way onto the statute whilst the media’s attention was distracted by the more prominent but ultimately pathetic Control Orders bill. The thing is almost literally out of VFV and depressed me quite badly when I found out about it (about as badly as finding out about serious UK and probably EU-wide plans for permanently installed, permanently active tracking, per-mile travel charging and forceful speed-limiting chips in all cars). Sure, the head of state needs to enact a state of emergency before assuming the almost godly martial-law powers over the country that the bill allows, but the criteria for declaring such a thing are gossamer thin and can be signed off in a matter of hours.

This is something akin to a guerilla war that could easily switch-flip to blitzkrieg by our ruling powers against their own people. Watch your asses.

PS Australia is allegedly almost as bad… IF you’re the “wrong” kind of immigrant… (concentration-camp style facilities for those trying to get in without those necessary skills). Not sure on NZ. It might be better. Given the scenery there and abundance of noshable foliage / suicidally dumb fauna it might be worth travelling there and giving up the modern life to live rough in the mountainside bush.

Yours sincerely,
(email address is false, of course; though you’ve probably got my IP, i’d like at least a small layer of anonymity to protect me from those who may accuse me of unamerican / unbritish leanings, i.e. they’ll have to subpoena you for the info rather than just grabbing an active account name right off the page)

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By lifewriter, October 3, 2006 at 7:33 am Link to this comment
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Truthdig Silent with Chavez, Praises The Terminator, Big Business Instead.  Torture Laws Pass By Silently

For those of you who missed this article, which I posted last Sunday, when the Truthdigger of the Week was silently absent, here it is, Chavez’s Address to the UN in it’s entirety.  The mayor of Salt Lake City calls Bush onto the carpet, and gets praise.  When a head of state, in front of the UN does so…not so much. What’s going on here? In a similar fashion, Habeas Corpus’s untimely death has been sidelined as well, please read on…

As a matter of fact, Truthdig editors refused to publish Chavez’s address on the site in it’s entirety; partial excerpts were instead made available. 

This trend might appear healthy, balanced…but I see Truthdig doing more than moderating, in a sense, marginalizing whistleblowers that are in great need of recognition.  Where is the coverage of the Anti Torture bill, and it’s earth shattering repeal of Habeas Corpus?  Buried some 25 articles deep on Truthdig’s front page.  This is not to say that other news, as it comes down the pipe should not take precedence…it’s just Habeas Corpus has been part of jurist prudence since the mid 1200’s.  With the stroke of a pen, the Republican Congress and Executive have essentially re-invented not only international law, but our very constitution.  Here’s a pretty big story, folks.  Where is the AP blurb, the discussion on this one? Hiding while Matt Drudge’s idiotic rants get full coverage.

It’s here (no surprise) on the front page of another lefty outlet for full disclosure:

Here’s a quip Truthdig may wish to publish, something from the recently passed torture laws, might be an interesting piece of discourse

Congress shall, immediately upon our inauguration, initiate amendments to the Constitution providing (a), that the President shall have the authority to institute and execute all necessary measures for the conduct of the government during this critical epoch; (b), that Congress shall serve only in an advisory capacity, calling to the attention of the President and his aides and Cabinet any needed legislation, but not acting upon same until authorized by the President so to act; and (c), that the Supreme Court shall immediately have removed from its jurisdiction the power to negate, by ruling them to be unconstitutional or by any other judicial action, any or all acts of the President, his duly appointed aides, or Congress.

Friends, I say these things because I care about the direction of this country, this planet for that matter.  I write this article today to call Truthdig editors to pull back the stops on this topic, it greatly needs to be aired, and it deserves front and center placement on your website for quite a while to come.



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By The Old Hooligan, October 3, 2006 at 5:55 am Link to this comment
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Looks like ‘ole “-I’m- the Decider, -I- Decide” is hellbent and determined to run our Government (and the rest of America along with it) straight into the ground, before he’s well and truly done.

Which brings me to a question:

“Curious George, the Monkey” and “Clueless George, the Monkey” - - - Separated at birth?

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By blackdaug, October 2, 2006 at 11:08 pm Link to this comment
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Thomas Carper (D-DE)
Tim Johnson (D-SD)
Mary Landrieu (D-LA)
Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Joe Lieberman (D-CT)
Robert Menendez (D-NJ)
Bill Nelson (D-FL)
Ben Nelson (D-NE)
Mark Pryor (D-AR)
Jay Rockefeller (D-WV)
Ken Salazar (D-CO)
Debbie Stabenow (D-MI)

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By Bruce, October 2, 2006 at 8:42 pm Link to this comment
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The definition of torture is contained in what we signed in the Geneva Convention standard, the president changing that at his own whim should be the focus of the Supreme Court. So should it be a concern when the wavor of wiretapping legislation is in violation of higher laws.

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By horsde combat, October 2, 2006 at 4:35 pm Link to this comment
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I am having a black arm band sewn, to indicate my state of mourning—-mourning for the death of the noblest country in history, the United States of America, that now has become The New Amerika. R.I.P., America, we hardly knew ye!
I will be wearing this arm band from now on, and, if asked, I will just say that I am in mourning for the death of the country I once held dear.

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By Bukko in Australia, October 2, 2006 at 12:57 am Link to this comment
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How are you going, John Zook? I’m one who actually did leave the U.S. because my conscience would no longer let me be a tax-paying part of the U.S. war machine. (Especially because I’m convinced President Cheney plans to launch a nuclear atack on Iran.) Be aware that it’s not easy.

Aside from the logistics of moving all your stuff across a border and/or an ocean, there are the legalities of visas. Sovereign nations don’t just let you rock up and say “I want to live here.” You need to get permission from the host government. Most require that you have some sort of skill that will enable you to be a productive part of the local economy. You’ll also need health insurance, proof that you can support yourself, have a place to live, speak the local language, etc. (Lucky for me I’m a registered nurse, always an in-demand profession. It still took me a year of work, which started the day after the election in 2004.) Many liberals have wished they could get away from the fascist nation the U.S. is becoming. To make it more than grizzling (Aussie slang for complaining) is some hard yards, mate.

That said, I feel a lot better for leaving the land where I was born. I sleep better at night, no longer feeling guilt for what the U.S. is doing, nor fear for what might be done to me. The U.S. is a country wracked with paranoia and anger now. It’s much more relaxed in other nations. My wife and I just got back from three weeks in Europe, and it was sad to see all the warnings about “You better not do this or carry that if you’re planning to fly into the States.” America is becoming more like the Soviet Union all the time.

I wish had faith that things would change in two years. But people with power don’t give it up just because elections say they should. Elections can be cheated when one faction controls the voting machines. It’s going to take the implosion of the U.S. economy and wrenching social disturbances before these bastards are driven out. Not revolution with guns—remember that the mighty Soviet communist empire was overthrown non-violently except in Romania—but things really have to hit the shitter before that happens. I had a chance to get out with my money and morals intact, so I did. Good luck, all you who must stay behind.

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By 415cat, October 1, 2006 at 9:59 pm Link to this comment
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Friday was a black day in the history of this nation.  I was shocked at how easily this all happened ... my heart is breaking over this.  What in the name of all that is good has happened to this nation?  I confess that I spend a good deal of my time feeling overwhelmed and desolate.  What can we do to change things?

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By mark, October 1, 2006 at 6:31 pm Link to this comment
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The writer, producer, and director of abu grahib never had to show his trailers of torture during this award show. Thanks go out to the academy of gutless Democrats. Please take a bow.

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By Anonymous, October 1, 2006 at 12:28 pm Link to this comment
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V for Vendetta?

Let’s just come right out and say it:

“People shouldn’t be afraid of their government.  Governments should be afraid of their people.”

The Second Amendment ain’t about duck hunting, folks.  It’s about tyrant hunting.  It’s about terrorist hunting.  It’s about criminal hunting.

And it’s about hunting those who are all three at once, whether they live in a desert cave or a plush penthouse inside the beltway.

Sic Semper Tyrannis.

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By Anonymous, October 1, 2006 at 12:19 pm Link to this comment
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re: 26374

Grandpappy Bush was a Nazi, running around in the same circles as Lindberg.

Blood will tell.  9/11 was Drunken Dubya’s very own Reichstag fire.

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By Anonymous, October 1, 2006 at 11:58 am Link to this comment
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A little food for thought from five years ago.

We’re not that far away from scenes like this.

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By Cowpieslinger, October 1, 2006 at 10:21 am Link to this comment
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Every one thinks ? [with the exeption of a few], That Gogress acted as if there reason for voting for this were in favor, ?? people expected ?? a filibuster?? Yah right,
Remember this, These Guys are agressivly trying too avoid a sentance, {IE Bush and Co}, there no stranger too ignoring Human Life suffering, They for the Crywolfmen Killed 3000 americans on 9/11, so they could pretext plans for Iraq and Iran??, the last bunch that openly critizied Bush got anthraX LETTERS SENT TOO THEM FOR THE eVENTFULL QUESTIONING OF 9/11?? YOU and Congress is cowering for there own Life, they dare not go against Bush on this??
Remember only reason Bush is exluding the rights Of Habeas Corpus Is because he has already committed Many acts of crule inhuman torchering with no Courts oversite or trial resulting in Death too its detanded prisoner of war< and as such is a war crime punishable By Death, this Bill would effectivly allow Him and Co to get a free pass for war crimes, By the Way If you think these Guys are not Serious, check out the retained Lawers Bush has for His team, to defends Law suites against them for Just that? also the Pentagon has advised the Cia to retain Attornies alos for its involvmnet in the Death of Detainies keep in Sectrect prisons. these are the ones that are of real issue, because there dead form Torcher,?? you get it yet>> Its Not what congress can’t do its why they wont do it, There in fear, Its not a Pansy issue Like last time Democrates threaten a Filibuster, this Issue means severe consiquences For Bush and Co.. and Beleive me there in so deep they will stop at nothing too save there ass. And yes there ego and Eragance is a result of The power that lets them emagine there getting away with it, as long as they Have the Power they are untouchable and They relish it with lust>>

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By John Zook's mind, October 1, 2006 at 10:21 am Link to this comment
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adios John Zook, you are correct, that comment had to be made by a real asshole…but leave the country?  Hey, in two years things will change.  For the better, I hope so?  If you pull up stakes and run they will not.  You are appalled and ashamed and so am I and not always for the same reasons.  There is total crap being spoken as fact from both sides, somewhere in-between lays the truth.  Look not everything stated about Bush is true and name calling is pretty low rent.  And absolutely everything Bush as done is not great and good.  Being against everything a President does just because you dislike or disagree with them is just wrong.  In a little over two years there will be a change and that change will signal that calling Bush a dictator is factually incorrect.  I guess what I am trying to say John is stay here and do your part and believe me we all have little parts, do your part to make this the kind of country you want.  You know what?  I bet we really want the same free America; we just look at getting it differently.  Honestly I didn’t vote for Jimmy Carter, lovely man, caring man, smart man, just was a very so, so President.  We the people survived, we have survived many terrible and just average Presidents.  I didn’t especially like Bill Clinton and George Bush is not my favorite by any stretch but we will survive both and in the long run we will be better of because of them both.  I bet history will be kind to them both.  I hope you stick around and help make America a better place than it is today.

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By Lee Franklin, October 1, 2006 at 7:32 am Link to this comment
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Just think… who would do this to the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave, and why?  Who would push to legalize torture and hold those who do it immune from prosecution? 

Who would take away the liberty of individuals, before conviction, declaring them enemies—and then deny them the ability to see the evidence against them?

Who would want the power to indefinitely incarcerate and hold people incommunicado, bringing no charges?

Who would want such power over the lives of you and me?

I think the proper answer might be “a totalitarian despot, a fascist, a dictator.”

Now we can clearly see who benefits, in large part, from 9-11-2001, the day that “changed the world as we know it.”  Is it unthinkable that the events of that day were, if not made to happen, at least allowed to happen?

Think about it.

Qui bono?  It surely is not the Islamic peoples, or even Bin Laden.  And it surely is not us, either.

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By John Zook, October 1, 2006 at 6:42 am Link to this comment
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I am apalled and ashamed of this government, now made up mostly of neocon thugs, perverts and degenerates of every kind.
As a patriot, I am now ashamed of Amerikka. It has been under the control of an alcohol, cocaine brain damaged punk who leans over the presidential podium like a drunken frat-boy.
As to the comment #26327: it is obvious you are an ignorant asshole!
The fucking asshole neocons who support their fuhrer herr bush, should all throw themselves into the oceans as the mindless lemmings they are.
Amerikka has now sunk into the abyss of tyranny and facism. The absolute contempt and hatred I have for this government cannot be expressed ion words!
I am going to check the ACLU site to see if any of the Dem reps from my state voted for this goddamn, fucking bill. If any of these people did so, I’m going to write the nastiest letter to these fuckheads and resign from the Dem. party immediately.
Fuck bush,fuck congress and the supreme court of assholes and all who support them.
We need to gather millions strong and march down pennsylvainia ave. , surround the whorehouse and demand they leave or else!
I’m done with the brainless assholes who try to defend bush. It is obvious they slept through Amerikkan history class.
America no longer exists. It has now joined the ranks of nazi Germany, Italy and Stalinist Russia as well as China.
I am now planning to leave this godforsaken, wretched, paranoid, schizophrenic nation of morons , being led by sociopaths and perverts- much the as the same as nazi Germany was.
Goodbye Amerikka. Say hello to the new world order and the next facist state!

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By John C. Bonser, October 1, 2006 at 6:40 am Link to this comment
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A dictator is a dictator - Batista and Castro may be on opposite poles; however, they share a corrupt thirst for power.

Looking like a populist Chavez is creating a following by using petro dollars to buy influence.

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<< Major Tammy Duckworth is 36 yrs old and is a Black Hawk Pilot from the Illinois Army National Guard. Her father was in the foreign service of some sort and they lived in many countries (mostly Asian) around the world for her growing up years. She said that’s when she learned to appreciate being an American and the greatness of her country. Tammy joined ROTC after she had graduated from college and was working on a graduate degree. So she was a little older when she joined ROTC. Tammy’s injuries resulted from an RPG which struck what I think she called the chin bubble which severely injured her legs and right arm. Her left leg was amputated to her knee (I think?) and her right left was amputated to where she only has a small length of bone. With her right arm most of it was blown away around her elbow and Walter Reed grafted skin from her stomach, sewed the arm to her stomach for awhile and eventually removing the stitches so basically they rebuilt her arm. It was incredible. Her tendons and nerves were connected so she has full use of her wrist and hand. Just fascinating to see. Tammy’s attitude was uplifting and positive. She also wants to go back to flying helicopters if it’s possible. Tammy was working on her hand strength and coordination therapy with this Velcro board and she made a cute comment:  “I never thought of Velcro as a torture device until I got to Walter Reed” >>

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By Eochaidh MacDhalaigh OghaChruithne, September 30, 2006 at 5:53 pm Link to this comment
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6:16 p.m. M.S.T. Saturday 30 September 2006

I just sent the following message to the United States Department of Defense.

Who will follow me? Are there any other “Wild Irish?”


5:23 p.m. M.S.T. Saturday 30 September 2006


I hereby declare myself to be an Enemy Combatant.


PFC Eochaidh MacDhalaigh OghaChruithne (Ret.)
Na Fineachan Gaidhealach
Na Fardach Cinnidhean
1325 South Animas Street
Lordsburg, Nuevo Mexico 88045-2605


http://thegoshinyamajujutsuandco…om/ eochaid1.htm

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By abdifatah suleiman musse, September 30, 2006 at 1:46 pm Link to this comment
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ok,before this law has been passed, I used talk bad to this Administration, does this mean I still can not, if I couldn’t only have saved the emails, the one I was acting the most powerful government, was , I said, you are fighing with Islam, I have declared War on the Enemy of allah, if you fight with me I will destroyed, and you know I will, It was long and scary one to the President, He send to secret serive guys, I welcomed them and they told me who they were, I told them wlc, they show me the email I send to them, with My local State Idea photo on the bottom of the email copy, they Asked me why I did talked this bad to the goverment, and I said where are the earlier emails, and the last one, don’t the make greate, he said true in his mind, and said do you want to kill the President, I said no I don’t want, do you have any weapon, I said No I thought ya know i didn’t had any, who gives you this power and I said allah, and He said Allah alright, like he has been told to ask the guy who gives him the power, they said our great great fathers left us knowalge and wisdom, I said yeah, they Ask me to show my left chick, which I have dark spot on my left chick, and I told them that Know Jesus will be here in our life time and tell George I love him, meaning No heart feelings, they left, they suddently attacked me in few weeks, and the result was katrina, and we tested them again about few months ago, and they followed our signs but they were peacful, when I was first writing this comments I wanted to talk trick those who wanted this law to happen, but it will not make sense, they can not come around me anyway, and they will only attacked other people who are just talking, I want you to test if your government is that super, and powerful, told them You have seen I again who will take away your freedom soon, he is name is abdifatah suleiman, he lives right here in the United states He used to life in nashville and he lives In minneapolis Minnosota now, you can fingh now on wilson Library in south minneapolis, he is Somali and around in his 20’s (22), to warm your case up, I will rest my bother Sheikh Osama, Nasrilah, and all those who are fighting for the cause of greater freedom and Justice, and equally, to end the show, you will only find them enjoying my work, go finger yourself if you are mad at me, you are weak, who really want to shut up our brain and our freedom of living life, hey have fun and don’t try this at home

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By GW=MCHammered, September 30, 2006 at 8:52 am Link to this comment
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Their misbranded WAR ON TERROR, OPEN BORDERS, economic GLOBALIZATION and even their NORTH AMERICAN UNION scheme to combine the USA, Canada & Mexico are NOT about protecting or spreading democracy. They are all about expanding their KLEPTOCRACY.

This Administration has joined with elitist unelected lobbyists to form ruling KLEPTOCRATS. They snitch rights and wealth from We The People of the working lower and middle class then channel it to their corporate privileged class. They rescript blood-won liberties and broaden wars to propagate their power-profiteering agenda.


The BUSH KLEPTOCRACY perverts as tactic: fear and reason, vehemence for importance, truth and deceit, certitude with morality, never owning up as right, ad hoc warring with protecting, conservatism with radicalism.

Kleptocracy is not Democracy.

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By Anonymous, September 30, 2006 at 5:11 am Link to this comment
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The problem is, Jack Nasten, is that the president now has the power to declare ANYONE, including citizens, ‘enemy combatants’ whatever that means.

This is particularly frightening to me, since I found that I had been placed on the TSA ‘No-Fly’ list for activites that are supposedly protected under the First Amendment.

Since there are now 200K+ names on the ‘No-Fly’ list, 80% of whom have nothing to do with terrorism, but have been identified as those who dissent with King George III’s policies, you can see where this is going.  If a pilot can be denied advanced training through ‘secret’ information, and be put on the ‘No-Fly’ list (losing his job) as retaliation for challenging that denial in court, no one is safe.

Not even you, Jack.  Just say the ‘wrong’ thing and you too may end up a guest of Gitmo or Fort Lafayette.  Or an even worse place where you might be recycled into lamp shades and soap.

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By Lorin, September 30, 2006 at 4:16 am Link to this comment
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“These Zionists, I want to tell you, are not Jews. That’s the biggest deception we’ve ever faced.

Zionists are Zionists, period. They are not Jews, they are not Christians, and they are not Muslims. They are a power group, a power party. And we oppose oppression and the aggression that any party that seeks pure power, raw power goes after.” - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, in his speech to the UN

and to #26389 by gary - Our policies are NOT what brought us to 9/11.  Our policies make the Muslim world hate us, yes.  But the real terrorists on 9/11 came from within.  9/11 was an INSIDE JOB.  Those who scoff at this, stop blindly following the MSM (like Popular Mechanics) and do the research.

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By Jimbo, September 30, 2006 at 12:43 am Link to this comment
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On the front page of the business section of the Los Angeles Times of September 28 is an article about 7-Eleven dumping Citgo written by two staff writers, Elizabeth Douglass and Marc Lifsher, with reference to Hugo Chavez calling George Bush the devil.  In this article they write of ?a backlash against anti-American comments by Chavez?.  Since many of us agree with Chavez, does this mean that we are also anti-American?  If so, two thirds of the American people should live in fear of being incarcerated for being anti-American, and should live in fear of being deprived of their right of habeas corpus.  Equating dislike of Bush with being anti-American is not something we would expect to read in a respectable newspaper.

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By gary, September 29, 2006 at 10:00 pm Link to this comment
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I’ve been following this dialog for two days and must comment once more on a few of the statements. response 26344 was upset that 26292 had said that the israeli’s basically run our government. Israel and our war with the arabs on many if not all fronts is just the tip of the iceberg! First the Christian Coalition as well as many politicians completely support Israel in any way possible. 9/11 helped establish the pro-israeli anti arab policies we now openly accept! Our policies are what brought us to 9/11 as much or more than muslim fundamentalism of calling us the “infidels”. It seems so often in this country if you dare question anything about Israel you are labeled a racist right away!
  Now, calling for open rebellion even before this new law was passed you could be tried as a traitor so be careful. One or more writers said cut their heads off and put it on t.v.! What, become the barbarians we say they are? Another talked about states rights, like Vermont seceeding; states rights went away before the civil war! That was as much or more of why it happened in the first place. Revolution is enivatable? right! Your only choice is change by a peaceful means! you couldn’t win in today’s world. In summary this is all by design, this is an empire or oligarchy and without a limit on how much if any private money can be used in campaigns it always will! And last independent media ie internet media is killing mainstream in growth, that’s why the establishment would love to stop it!

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By Jack Nasten, September 29, 2006 at 8:55 pm Link to this comment
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Good gosh a fido, we have more people locked up in prisons on less evidence than the detainees.  Come on people we have millions of kids being given such inferior skills in school that they will have to rely on the government for the rest of their lives.  Oh crap what a great plan. Oh wow, let’s get upset over a law that pertains to people who are not even citizens.  Oh my but that could be constrewed to apply to some voters.  Well then we can just keep passing laws to keep everyone in this country on dope and then who gives a crap.

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By Donald Rilea, September 29, 2006 at 7:40 pm Link to this comment
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God, I promised myself and others that I wouldnt get into another on-line cat-fight, so I’ll just confine myself to these remarks: Thanks, Molly, for the splendid op-ed, as always.

Also, speakin’ only for myself, but as a Nevadan, too, I want to sincerely, deeply and humbly apologise for my Senator, John Ensign, or the “Hair-Do Elect”, as some of us out here call ‘im, and his voting for that bloody bill.

Have never liked him or his politics, and yeaterday, he only just confirmed my already extremely low opinion of ‘im, with that vote of his.

He’s a disgrace to Nevada, and for that, I also apologise.

We Nevadans elected the swine. Now, we must un-elect ‘im and keep ‘im out of office, at every level of government, for good.

Keep The Faith, and Don’t Let The Bastards Grind You Down.

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By Unsung, September 29, 2006 at 7:32 pm Link to this comment
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So the Presedent decided to join the third reich and is maticulously starting to recreate the gustopo(NSA,CIA) Dont be suprised if this bill is used to start silencing freespeech. Good by Amerikkka!

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By Pepper, September 29, 2006 at 6:06 pm Link to this comment
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Well, read this article in Salon and together with that legislation that just past you can see the writing on the wall what is coming down…...

As Roosevelt once said “nothing in politics is done by accident, it’s planned down to the most minute detail.”  And so was this…... an intell report leaked to the press that begins the propoganda about Americans themselves and the danger they are to this administration and thus could be come terrorists. 

See where this is going??????? Read it and weep, folks, the alkie and the druggie have gotten their sadist yearnings answered by the “do nothing but treason” Congress.

If you vote for a single one of these listed who voted for this, then your guilty of treason against the American people as well.

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By David Ross, September 29, 2006 at 5:20 pm Link to this comment
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Molly, thanks again, you are always spot on, your moral compass points eternally true.

One small point, you say people might now start comparing America to Germany of the ‘30s. Sadly, I and all my friends here in Australia reached that precise conclusion years ago. The nonsense justifications for the invasion of Iraq paralleled Hitler’s demands for Lebensraum when invading the Sudatenland. The Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib torture facilities, the “show me your papers” style of internal travelling, the sublimely ridiculous rhetoric of the Administration to parse away the human rights of 95% of the population of the planet and all the other, outrages we have seen are almost like a remake of a bad movie about Germany under the Nazis.

You’re too late. The USA has gone, to be replaced by the Oligarchical Legion of Barbarians.

Kind regards, I hope you survive the madness.

David Ross
Perth, Western Australia

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By Become the Media, September 29, 2006 at 4:27 pm Link to this comment
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The idea that suspending human rights in the form of habeas corpus for anyone deemed a terrorist parallels exactly, the language of Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini et al. To prove my point, one could simply replace the word, “terrorist” with “enemies of state”. The verbiage in this law is so loose that you could be a terrorist for attending a WTO protest, or wearing anti-government T-shirts.

Here’s my dliemma, and my reasoning on why we’re screwed:

The U.S. ceased to be a democracy anymore when lobbyists with huge pockets staged a coup in the middle of the 20th century and it became a defacto kleptocracy. I say Screw both parties. Let’s rip this set of fascistic laws to shreds and build a new society from the ashes of the world trade center that has values in human rights, and respects other world leader’s viewpoints (and natural resources). Not one single Democrat, moderate Republican, or even Green is going to do this for us. I’m sorry, but government is government, and politicians are politicians. It’s necessary to start treating them as such and stop Ronald McDonald from turning us into hamburger any longer. Support a second American revolution, if you know what’s good for America.

Fox news has to be stopped. So does CNN, MSNBC, and most national newspapers and radio shows. You might say, “but that sounds like censorship!” Well, just consider the current state of the media. It is parcticing censorship in of itself, since by its design, it only allows right wing pundits to go on and demand justice for terrorists and heil Hitler and such. If we start by taking control of the airwaves and other unfree media and destroy the state propaganda machine, they won’t be able to control us for long, no matter what their anti-terrorism laws say.

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By Anonymous, September 29, 2006 at 4:08 pm Link to this comment
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It sounds like Senator Mel Martinez has forgotten the words of one of the Neocon heros, Benjamin Franklin:

“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”

Of course, there are a plethora of things about their heros the Neocons would like to forget.

Keep your powder dry, and prepare to raise the Gadsden Flag in a sign of resistance.

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By Become the Media, September 29, 2006 at 3:47 pm Link to this comment
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In response to #26292 by SVF, your racist comments aren’t welcome here. Say all you want about the regime of soon to be late Ariel Sharon, Ehud Olmert and Tzipi Livny and their repressive foreign policies supported by Bush Co.—but harping on another system of belief isn’t constructive in the least as far as this topic is concerned, or in most others. You make yourself sound like the Nazis you denounce.

Otherwise, I agree in general with your position. Nothing personal, I just feel that using such language in this context is counter productive, and downright dangerous.

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By Belgarion, September 29, 2006 at 3:14 pm Link to this comment
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In 1933 the Nazis seized power.

In 1939 the world united to stop fascism.

Will the world be uniting in six years to stop it again?

I am not afraid to do what must be done again.

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By Ted Herlinger, September 29, 2006 at 3:13 pm Link to this comment
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Look!  Mr. Bush has made a career of falling into muck and coming out smelling like a rose bush. Up to the point of Karl Rove’s bloodless coup d’ etat, these antics had been relatively harmless.  Oh, all right, there was that baseball stadium he stole from the taxpayers.  And there were those investors who lost their shirts in his failed oil ventures.  Oh, O.K.  I’ll admit it.  Most of his failures hurt people. Wait!  I’ve got one!  His desertion from the Texas Air National Guard didn’t hurt anybody.  It may have actually helped people.  Can you imagine the kind of disasters he could have achieved by flying armed, multi-million-dollar jet fighters?  But I digress.  To get back on point, his daddy always pulled him out of his messes and the senior Bush was in a position to compensate his little boy’s victims with political favors.  After Rove’s coup, however, he got the opportunity to fail on a scale unprecedented in world history. How could he turn down a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity like that?  It’s the summit of his chosen profession—ne’er do well.  Now, naturally, he thinks his daddy is going to come to his rescue again.  Saving him from himself is a dirty job, but somebody has to do it.  Or not.  Look on the bright side; what’s the worst he could do?  On second thought, call your elected representatives right now and demand a retroactive abortion.

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By Douglas Westerman, September 29, 2006 at 3:12 pm Link to this comment
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The “right” kind of terrorist suspects (Muslims) can be imprisoned and tortured with very scanty evidence.  Others get off the hook:

It was Israelis, not Muslim terrorists who, armed with 9mm pistols, grenades, C-4 explosives,  and detonators, were caught in Mexico in an attempt to blow the Mexican Congress up on October 10, 2001. They had forged Pakistani passports in their possession. The Israelis were booked for conspiracy to destroy a building by means of explosives. Had they been successful in blowing up the Mexican Congress, leaving the Pakistani passports where they could be found by the authorities, this attack would like 9/11, have been blamed on Muslim terrorists. CNN reported a “breaking story” of a “foiled terrorist attack in Mexico” but never mentioned the incident again, although it was headline news in Mexico and also appeared on the official web site of the Mexican Justice Dept.  As alarming as the attack itself was the fact that the incident never made it into the main stream media in the U.S. Most disturbing of all is the fact that that Israel put heavy handed pressure on Mexico and secured the release of their two terrorists.

If such criminals are let go, while a 70 yr. old Afghani is held and tortured at Guantanamo on much more flimsy evidence just because he is a Muslim who happened to be in the wrong place, then the so called “war on terror” is exposed for what it is, a sham.

An American leader who was strong on terrorism would immediately have condemned the attempted terrorist plot, shown solidarity with President
Vicente Fox, and bombed MOSSAD headquarters in Israel to discourage future false flag terrorism. Instead, a weak, vacillating President Bush cowered before the powerful Jewish Lobby, failed to act, and let our nearest neighbor to the South down.

For a detailed report on what appeared in the Mexican Press, please see

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By Alan Cabal, September 29, 2006 at 3:03 pm Link to this comment
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I recommend the Fabrique Nationale P-90. It’s the perfect home defense weapon for dealing with stormtroopers in state-of-the-art body armor.

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By Max, September 29, 2006 at 2:59 pm Link to this comment
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“...terrorists have no rights because they have no dignity or respect for themselves or the human lives they have and continue to take on a daily basis.”

You realize, Mike, that you and George Bush fit the standards you just set.

Report to the holding pen, Mike. Your straightjacket and waterboard are waiting.

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By Become the Media, September 29, 2006 at 2:27 pm Link to this comment
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a Line from the Film Board of Canada may be appropriate:

“Stand up to defend your constitutionally protected rights. No one else will do it for you.”

Unfortunately we didn’t do enough of it, and soon, that constitution won’t be there any more.

It’s ironic how most of us became so complacent that we thought our government, benevolent in in its rhetoric, would “protect” it’s citizens forever. The irony is that the U.S. is undeniably the most violent government in not only the 20th century. But in all of history, bar the Romans. It is folly for us to think that so much violent turmoil could unfold for decades without it eventually unfolding onto ourselves.

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By Mary, September 29, 2006 at 2:07 pm Link to this comment
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I am now convinced there IS such a thing as a parallel universe because my mind continues to reject the thought that there are people who still support this evil regime.  I simply can’t comprehend that these people, who appear to walk and talk and move through life believing in ONE THING this administration does and says, elevate this monkey in charge to god-like status as the rest of us bid farewell to our beloved America.  And it just gets worse and worse and worse until most days I feel like running out into the street and screaming my bloody lungs out.  Is there ANYONE, ANYONE among them in Congress who can find the courage to stand up and initiate the 25th Amendment?  What in God’s name is it going to take to wake these spineless sleepwalkers up and understand that without the writ of habeas corpus, we are no longer who we thought we were and who we wanted to be?  Who in the media besides the lone voice of Keith Olbermann will educate the sheep?

Our borders ought to have signs rather than a fence that simply say “Abandon hope all ye who enter here” because unless someone steps up to the plate, they just may have struck the final blow to the Constitution. 

I’m just devastated.  Forget the “God Bless America” crap.  May God have mercy on us all.

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By Terry Gabrich, September 29, 2006 at 1:59 pm Link to this comment
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Tammy Duckworth didn’t lose her legs flying a helicopter. I don’t believe that for a minute. First of all, our military doesn’t have women in cmbat arms. If she was flying a chopper, and it was hit by an RPG; she wouldn’t be alive today. I have jumped from Huey’s, and I’ve done missions in blackhawks when I was in Saudi Arabia. When they get hit, no one survives. Duckworth is evidently the only helicopter pilot that has survived a helicopter crash. The Chanuks and blackhawks that have been taken down with missiles, never had a surviver until Duckworth. She must have been on the ground when her helicopter got hit.

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By 5th of November, September 29, 2006 at 1:46 pm Link to this comment
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Add it to the list:
Violation of the 1st Amendment by detaining peaceful protestors, banning books like “America Deceived” from Amazon and firing 21-year tenured, BYU physics professor because he proved explosives, thermite, in particular, brought down the WTC buildings.
Violation of the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns during Katrina.
Violation of the 4th Amendment by conducting warrantless wire-taps.
Violation of the 8th Amendment by torture.
Violation of the entire Consitution by starting 2 illegal wars based on lies.
Final link (before Google Books caves and drops the title):
America Deceived (book)

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By George LoBuono, September 29, 2006 at 1:35 pm Link to this comment
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After 9-11, Daniel Hopsicker did painstakingly thorough investigation of the hijackers time in Venice FL, where they flight trained. He found that the training site was a hotbed of CIA/intel. trafficking of heroin. Why heroin? Because Bin Laden was Mr. Big in Afghanistan, where 70-80% of the world’s opium was grown (only shrank to 20% of this under the Taliban). So Bin Laden, whose only competition was a one-eyed illiterate named Mullah Omar, had control of billions worth of product. Apparently, it was a quid pro quo: Bin Laden provided the heroin and got arms and technology in return.

Heroin trafficking by the US government? Of course—it is legend. And what did Bush do to shut down the terror pipeline? Nothing. The narcotics continue to flow, but he did make YOU sign a paper saying that the CIA and intel can look at your pharmacy and medical records if they choose. Not a word about the 9-11 narcotics connection. It’s still going strong. Habeus corpus is but the latest casualty. See Welcome to Terrorland, by Hopsicker.

So what is the Bush plan? Why so monstrous and systematically abusive and secretive a design? That is the question we should be asking. The answer lies in that secret world of black budget crimes and inbred elite cultishness. Be prepared for some real shockers. It gets much worse before it gets better.

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By Terrapin, September 29, 2006 at 1:21 pm Link to this comment
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Even if the law said no torture, Dumbya would just add another signing statement and ignore it.

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By SamSnedegar, September 29, 2006 at 1:04 pm Link to this comment
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“...why not support your President instead of condemning him?...”

Because he is a moron who looks like a monkey and talks like a fool. There is not one thing anyone can do with a moronic fool except condemn him as you pity him. Oh, I admit that he doesn’t know what he is doing, but he never has; he was a drunken moron when he was younger and had yet to destroy his brain with alcohol and drugs.

The only thing that makes me happy is that there is no way on God’s earth that this moron can actually BE President and MAKE decisions because he is too dense to understand what is at issue in the first place.

God help the USA, we have installed a retarded man, and a pitiful one at that, as the leader of the free world, and the result is to put chains on ourselves and the rest of the world that the Bushitter gang of thugs can reach.

You want to support him? Name one decent thing he has EVER done in his miserable life, and I will support that. Name one cogent thought he has ever had in that miserable unilluminated life and I will applaud it.

Pardon me if I don’t wait with baited breath while you think on that task . . .

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By Bill of Rights, September 29, 2006 at 1:01 pm Link to this comment
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This thread seems, to me, to be overlooking the most important issue. Torture, arrest, rights, the law, the Republic, Nazi tactics, Rove, all meaningless.

The law has been passed. The debate is over. Politics no longer matter.

The law of the United States now reads that you can be arrested, tortured, killed, and your body vanished, if the President says so.

Now, the only question we have left to answer.

Will you allow yourself to be taken alive?

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By Adolf, September 29, 2006 at 12:54 pm Link to this comment
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SIEG HEIL to the FOURTH REICH, may it also last 1000 years….

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By michael, September 29, 2006 at 12:37 pm Link to this comment
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This is addressed to mike.  I appreciate your heartfelt sentiment on this matter. But know this…...the four burnt corpses hanging from the bridge were Blackwater Mercenaries hired to protect Halliburton employees. The previous day the Blackwater boys were having a little fun with the local populace and shooting up their storefronts and harrassing children and women. The reason these people were pulled from their vehicles and dragged through the streets and hung is simply because they are not subject to any military law or discipline and they know it. Don’t assume that the Iraqi people are stupid or unobservant. They full well know what is going on in their country and will not tolerate it as we wouldn’t tolerate in ours. Every time one of those fat bellied overpaid Blackwater mercenaries abuse their situation at 100,000.00 per 3 month deployment they put our Armed Forces at risk. That’s why the Marines hate them as much as they do.  Do your research and I don’t mean in the MSM…....

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By armed, September 29, 2006 at 12:17 pm Link to this comment
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They can pass any bill they want,nothing but a piece of paper. When and only when there is a call to arms will my fellow americans stand up and burn the white house to the ground, and hang those who were traders to the united states constitution. Our Forefathers are rolling in their graves at this very moment, but our time will come. Our Military needs to storm the whitehouse and arrest these war mongers and end this   now!

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By michael again, September 29, 2006 at 11:47 am Link to this comment
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Wait, maybe I am awakening…..Thanks to the Aussie in Frogland….This is a power grab by Neocons plain and simple…....Tell me you are “protecting” me when I can full well protect myself…...Then let multiple aircraft into this country without checking one single container in the hold of these aircraft. Hundreds upon hundreds of shipping containers in every port are filled with Chinese weapons as well as Chinese themselves. Clinton stated on C-Span last week that it would cost 800 million to implement aircraft container searches as proposed by the 9/11 comission yet that money goes towards war with the entire middle east and no-one in the main stream says squat the sorry fr—-in cowards. This administration isn’t doing one iota to protect us in any real sense…....This administration wouldn’t dare risk its own blood or money to protect us…...It is up to a scant few to get the message out to everyone about the fixed vote as well as the rest of the filthy lies that are being perpetrated on the American people. The religous right depends on the ignorance of the average soccer mom/red neck for its power. My solution…..........a bond program for returning vets that gives us the choice of where our tax dollars will go. In the process many many TV commercials for the sale of these bonds will show the maimed women and men of our armed forces trying to rebuild their shattered lives after eating Bomb metal in the Middle east. Maybe if enough ignorant asses saw the real result of this misguided war and knew the truth about voting machines we could stir up a true frenzy at the grass roots level and begin the upswell that is necessary to retake our country before we are all wearing swastikas…........just a suggestion…............VOTE

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By Greg Brown, September 29, 2006 at 11:46 am Link to this comment
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How do we continue to do business with a constant lawbreaker especially our Representatives continuing business with the White House when Bush is a criminal? Its like letting a Bank robber continue on with life and robbing a bank again. Where is the logic in these people.
  Its time to stop talking and start advocating a physical fight with those in D.C. REvolution is what we must start up. They must all be arrested and tried.
We must be courageous and true patriots if we are to ever keep our Liberties and the Constitution. The Lie about Terrorist is the fact D.C. is the Terrorist.

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By James, September 29, 2006 at 11:44 am Link to this comment
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Hey, Mike, do you think this could not be used against the US citizens?  Pick up a history book and find out what happens when the people write their goverment a blank check.

btw, 9/11 was, at least in part, an inside job.

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By Harry Freeloader, September 29, 2006 at 11:40 am Link to this comment
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Farewell America.

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By Adam Ghaznavi, September 29, 2006 at 11:39 am Link to this comment
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Thank God for the unsustainable trade/ budget deficits. When these hyperfascists launch their war against Iran, the Chinese will dump the $$$ & go for gold, or else they are next.

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By seeingred, September 29, 2006 at 11:29 am Link to this comment
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The terrorists of the world won nothing when they hijacked passenger planes and flew them into the twin towers and Pentagon.  They won nothing when their fanaticism led to a plane crashing in a field in Pennsylvania.  They killed a lot of innocent Americans.  They caused a lot of material damage.  They brought joy to the hearts of what was at that time a relative handful of extremists around the world who hated the United States as much as the terrorists themselves did.  But they WON nothing.
    In fact, the hideous insanity of their attack turned most of the world against them and brought about a great outpouring of good will and support for our country.  But the terrorists won nothing.
    They’d done nothing to bend the will of the American people in supporting freedom and democracy and human rights.  They won nothing as the U.S. and its allies steamrolled the terrorists and their protectors in Afghanistan.  They looked weak and small as they dug into their rat holes in an attempt to run and hide.

    But then the Bushies lied us into Iraq.  And they’ve continued to lie and deceive.  They’ve managed to turn much of the world against our nation.  They’ve made the world less safe from terrorism.  And all the while invoking 9-11.  They’ve desecrated 9-ll by using it as a political tool to keep themselves in power.

    But, despite all their lying and deception and spinning, despite all the human carnage they’ve brought about, despite their bungling of almost every aspect of the Iraq venture, the Bush administration had not conceded to the terrorists responsible for 9-11 a clear and outright victory for their hideous efforts.

    However, the moment the Senate did their master’s bidding and voted to allow illegal imprisonment and torture, the terrorists who carried out the 9-11 plan at long last won.

    They, with the Bush administration’s help, had at that point succeeded in making Americans so afraid that they would support, in the name of so-called security and an unending desire for revenge, the destruction of the most sacred rights of a free society.  The Bush administration has joined the terrorists in their belief that a free society cannot work and that to establish order, security, and, above all, “righteousness,” only the few, whether they be dictators, Mullahs or neo-con Rebublican Christians, should be entrusted to run the show.

    Again and again writers have pointed out that those who would joyously behead people on video, those who would comandeer planes to fly into buildings are barbaric enemies who do not deserve civilized treatment by civilized societies.  It’s true.  They are barbaric and misquided and hate driven.  We’ve always had such people living among us.  And, in the past, we’ve hunted these animals, prosecuted them and punished them within the framework of the law.

    If the American people truly believe that the only way to ensure the highest levels of security against terrorists is to pattern our society on the models of authoritarian and/or theocratic regimes in the Middle East and authoritarian and/or fascist regimes of the past, the terrorists of 9-11 have destroyed much more than peoples’ lives and buildings.

    Bush and his supporters are attempting to make themselves look strong in the face of a barbaric adversary.  But they are not strong.  They’re weak and misquided.  They’ve made our country less safe, not more safe.  And they will continue to do so unabated if Americans fail to alter the balance of power this November.

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By Dan, September 29, 2006 at 11:26 am Link to this comment
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Thanks for your well written collumns, it’s nice to know that not all journalists have sold out to the fascist cabal which have taken over our country.

It is so sad to see our America (once the land of the free) decending into fascism.  Our founding fathers, who created this country, are surely rolling over in their graves at what our (once) great country has become.  I say this as someone who loves their country so much I am willing to die for it: I suppose that now makes me an “enemy combatant”.

To any Bush supporter who may be reading this: do not write me off as a “Bush Hater”.  The truth is I would hate anyone who has done as much to harm our country as Bush has!  And, no, I don’t like the idea of Hillary (or any other Democrat) having unlimited power either. 

It is time to put partsan concerns aside, and start doing what is right (what you know in your heart).  If you are a Christian, then start acting like one!

Peace, and God help us!

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By Brian, September 29, 2006 at 11:23 am Link to this comment
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“Mike” and his ilk will be the ones who flock to the military/intelligence complex in order to implement “aggressive interrogation.”  He’ll be happy to torture, kill, “decapitate,” or otherwise harm anyone his federal masters tell him is a terrorist.  Yet another reason why torture is a bad idea.

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By Robert E., September 29, 2006 at 11:19 am Link to this comment
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How is it that the White House is able to insert changes into a pending legislative bill? This has to be done by a LEGISLATOR.  Who was the culprit that did it?

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By Fank Furter, September 29, 2006 at 11:12 am Link to this comment
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Perhaps we should start sending our political “representatives” lumps of sulfer.

Just to remind them of where they will be spending eternity for their rampant abusing of their moment of power.

Frank E

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By SVF, September 29, 2006 at 10:55 am Link to this comment
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Of course all arguments, whether pro or con in regards to the US government leviathan are redundant, but if I were Tammy Duckworth my response would have been something like “I’d sooner cut and run from Iraq than shit and fall in it and thanks to the spineless US congress that’s exactly what THEY’VE done” but that’s just me….
Why do I constantly hear people referring to this governments activities by saying “WE” did this or “WE” did that. We didn’t do shit. It has been the out of control lunatics, financed by international corporations in our government, managed by the Jews in Israel who have done this, not me or “WE”.
Let’s be clear about that!
But pardon me,  let’s continue useless debate while a bona fide psychopath has his greasy presidential fingers on the nuclear football and after the devilish deed is committed you’ll be comforted by the claims that “WE” did it.
I’ve never been so ashamed of this country or shocked at the level of stupidity of her people…

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By stephens, September 29, 2006 at 10:49 am Link to this comment
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Well geez Mike, if we were to do that to the terrorists, we’d be decapitating the Bush Cheney Rumsfeld clan and the rest of the complicit administration AND the unidentified globalists, now, wouldn’t we.

And Mike, why should anyone support a president who’s a crimminal and traitor?  I don’t.

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By David Chu, September 29, 2006 at 10:47 am Link to this comment
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Hola Molly,

I used to be a ¨Freeper¨ with Jim Robinson´s Free Republic (—a Nazi ¨brown-shirt¨organization if there is ever one).  You know who they are.

I even organized rallies in support of our men and women in March 2003 in Santa Rosa, CA—when I believed that the US was going into Iraq to ¨liberate¨the suffering Iraqis.

911—what really happened on that fateful day (—changed all that.  This latest piece of legislative sh*t is going to be the final straw that breaks the collective back of America as any concept as the nation that is the hope of the world (

Mr. Derbyshire: What happened to this America? What happened to the hope, the conscience of the world?

I used to think that your rants on GWB were ¨looney¨, but I know now it is GWB and his brainwashed ¨brownshirts¨ such as the Freepers, the neocons, Fox News, talk radio, and fundamentalist Christians who are the insane ones.  They were the sames ones who accepted and facilitated the transition of Germany to Nazi Germany—¨patriotic¨ useful idiots who were blind to reality.

As George Santayana once said but I don´t believe it: ¨Those who don´t learn from history are destined to repeat it.¨

What I believe is what Mark Twain said, ¨History does not repeat, but it rythmes.¨

There is going to be a lot of rythming with the Nazi Concentrations camps, the Soviet Gulugs, and the Chinese Laogai here in the United States.

How awfully sad.

David Chu

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By Mad as Hell, September 29, 2006 at 10:41 am Link to this comment
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“I say this. Identify those terrorists, kidnap their families and decapitate them on video. Don’t you get it? This is a game to them and they KNOW we won’t stoop that low. So until we do, don’t bash the ONLY President that we’ve had so far that is willing to make it right. You may not like his methods but why don’t you folks try something new for a change…..why not support your President instead of condemning him? “

“Duce! Duce! Duce! Duce!”—the chants of the fascists to Mussolini.

“Identify those terrorists”

Well, that’s the problem, isn’t it? Who gets to ID them? Who gets to guarantee that they are ACTUALLY a terrorist? Who gets to ensure they aren’t merely an American exercising the right of dissent?  If I call the FBI and say “Hey, I heard Mike saying….” you can be classified as an “enemy combatant” and disappear.  You can do the same to me.

This system has failed DISMALLY in Iraq—by doing EXACTLY as you say, and using the worthless methods of “identifying” terrorists I’ve laid out, the Iraqi people are now almost TOTALLY against our troops.  Whose fault is THAT?

We supported President Bush after 9/11.  His approval ratings when we went into Afghanistan were in the NINETIES!  That’s right, the 90’s.  Had he finished the job and gotten us out, he’d STILL be popular.  But, no. He HAD to use 9/11 as an excuse to attack Iraq, an attack that was being planned even before he actually took office.

EVERY justification by the Bush team was a lie. EVERY projection of the effect by the Bush team was a failure.  Those who successfully projected the mess we are in were fired.

5 years after 9/11, we are no safer, but we are a lot poorer, and almost universally despised around the world.  3 1/2 years after invading Iraq, the locals are dying at rates that make them almost LONG for Saddam.  After all, as they see it, it took Saddam 23 years to 300,000 Iraqis killed. It only took us 3 1/2 years to get 100,000 killed.

Bush keeps trying the same things again and again and they don’t work.  A mark of insanity is to keep doing the same thing when it NEVER achieves the desired effect. 

Now he wants to end our freedoms so he can have what he said he wants: to be a dictator.  He doesn’t deserve our support.  He not only hasn’t earned it, he’s given us vastly ample cause to withhold it!

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By SmedleyButler, September 29, 2006 at 10:10 am Link to this comment
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All of this can be laid at the feet of the Neocons who are waging war for our special little friend in the Mideast.  It was IDF officers who trained our troops in torture methods. The same methods were perfected on Palestinians.

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By Stephanie, September 29, 2006 at 9:33 am Link to this comment
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Hey Mike, maybe take a class in grammer before you move on to big leagues like politics.  You obviously don’t read much.

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By Peace Lizard, September 29, 2006 at 9:18 am Link to this comment
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This whole issue reminds me of a conversation I once had with a couple of friends after seeing the movie about the life of Gandhi. The question came up as to whether the non-violent tactics that Gandhi was able to use with so much success to convince the British empire to get out of India would have worked against a brutal dictator such as Hitler or Pol Pot. This led in turn to a general discussion as to whether armed resistance against tyranny is ever justified. In this respect I am becoming increasingly pessimistic about the ability of pacifistic individuals or groups such as Cindy Sheehan or Code Pink to actually mount an effective resistance to the Bush regime. What really depresses me is the lack of involvement of the major unions; where are the massive nation-wide strikes that could bring the entire nation to a halt for at least a few days and show the Bush administration that we really mean business?

At this point, another thought comes into mind; this time it is a picture of a distant ancestor of mine who was almost the spitting image of me back when I used to wear a beard in my younger days: Asbury Dodds fought in the American Civil War on the “losing” side. Though he survived the fighting, due to the hardships caused by the war both he and his wife eventually contracted and succumbed to “consumption” (as tuberculosis was known at the time), leaving behind eight orphaned children. As there were no other next of kin the eldest daughter found herself essentially in charge of raising up her seven younger brothers and sisters by herself. This individual was one of my great grandmothers on my father’s side, and that picture of that gaunt, somber-looking great great grandfather of mine still hangs on a wall in my father’s house some place in rural Arizona.

That last civil war was bad enough. Another civil war would be much worse. I hesitate to even try to imagine what it would be like, especially since our armed forces now possess so many horrific weapons that could be used against our own citizenry. If our so-called elected officials do not wake up to the enormity of the constitutional crisis that is at hand, however, I am afraid that an armed rebellion of some kind, if not a full-fledged domestic military conflict, is nearly inevitable at this point.

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By Betsy Ross, September 29, 2006 at 9:13 am Link to this comment
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Dear Friends here and abroad,

if you are reading this email, then the bad news has reached you

the U.S.A. as we knew it as children growing up into adulthood has just vanished at a pen stroke

I believe in my heart there will be much discussion over this

it is simply too glaring - it is simply so outrageous

the Country is now officially on Life Support

Vermont is drafting a bill for secession - when we were growing up, it was an exercise in Liberty for State’s rights, and they would have a vote but really take no ultimate action - ALL of that has changed.

here’s the list below - God Bless The United States of America

she’s still here, alive, kicking, and soon to be faced with simply an ultimatum of the most serious and devious nature - it’s a Stick Up where you can pretend for a little while that it hasn’t occured - then the shock will settle in - Rule of Law has COLLAPSED.

Habeas Corpus has been removed from the Body of Law (the last time it happened was in the Civil War by Abraham Lincoln)

As of today after just being recently re-instated, The Geneva Convention is not honored by the U.S.A. - it has been summarily dismissed today.

God forgive them - these politicians and service men and woman are all traitors in the light of day -

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God,  have mercy on their souls - these sinners have betrayed their own Nation which was freed in Your Holy Name over 200 years ago from the British Monarchy at an exceedingly great cost in lives.  Have mercy, have mercy, for you still rule in Heaven and your people on Earth.  You prayed to the Heavenly Father that your people should be kept from evil.  Oh merciful Lord Jesus, we have read the Good Book which tells of the Good News, and this law is nothing but evil.  It states anyone can be detained forever and tortured in secrecy be they foreign or a citizen of this country.  In the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost have mercy on us all.  Amen.

My friends take a deep, deep breath - our own government has declared war on the Repulic of the United States of America

Senators Against Law
A full list of the Senators who have disgraced themselves and their country by removing any meaningful constraints on the President’s ability to detain and torture anybody at his whim by suspending the Writ of Habeas Corpus:

Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Allen (R-VA)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Frist (R-TN)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-NE)
Roberts (R-KS)
Santorum (R-PA)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Stevens (R-AK)
Talent (R-MO)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)

The Democrats have taken a great deal of entirely deserved criticism, but at least on this one only the hopeless Nelson folded.

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By Mikey Snot, September 29, 2006 at 9:07 am Link to this comment
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Untermenschen, my friends is being carried out by the right(wrong) of the B*sh Administration.

Reality be damned.


Peace is a four letter word to the ignorant.

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By Lorin, September 29, 2006 at 8:49 am Link to this comment
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“Do not, please, pretend to be shocked by the consequences of this legislation. And do not pretend to be shocked when the world begins comparing us to the Nazis.”

Many have compared 9/11 to the German Reichstag fire in 1933.

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By John, September 29, 2006 at 8:26 am Link to this comment
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If only we could somehow, I don’t know, intern those people that Bush thought were dangerous to him, er, us in camp-like facilities, perhaps in the western arid lands. Then, as hard labor hardly qualifies as more than “serious pain”, he could there have them build us a kinder, gentler America.

Oh, and Mike, “kidnap people’s families”? Awesome. Maybe we could send them to, oh, I don’t know, Siberia? Or Poland? That’ll protect our cherished constitutional democracy. It’s just like Thomas Jefferson said: “You’ll never win the War on Cannibalism without a fork and some A-1!”

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By Mystech, September 29, 2006 at 8:12 am Link to this comment
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Congragulations Mike! You’ve slipped on the snug but attractive jackboots your masters have issued you. Try reading about these exact same tactics… you’ll find them filed under historical examples of martial law, police states and ultimately, totalitarian states.

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By Mike, September 29, 2006 at 7:54 am Link to this comment
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Wait a minute. You mean terrorists can fy some plans into our buildings on U.S. soil, bomb our embassies, decapitate people on video and hang burnt corpses like a side of beef but now somehow we are supposed to be “civilized?” Get a grip. Until we fight those idiots on their own level, people will just not get it. They will continue to take advantage of that and will use it against us.

I say this. Identify those terrorists, kidnap their families and decapitate them on video. Don’t you get it? This is a game to them and they KNOW we won’t stoop that low. So until we do, don’t bash the ONLY President that we’ve had so far that is willing to make it right. You may not like his methods but why don’t you folks try something new for a change…..why not support your President instead of condemning him?

And furthermore Molly, take your journalistic trash back home with you. This is sickening that you make it sound like we are a communist state. As far as I am concerned, terrorists have no rights because they have no dignity or respect for themselves or the human lives they have and continue to take on a daily basis. This isn’t a common war between two countries where POW’s are given humane treatment under the Geneva Convention. These are a bunch of lunatics that could care less about anything except converting you to Islam. Remember this folks, you are the infidel and they make no bones about it.

Wake up before it is too late…

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By Roscoe, September 29, 2006 at 7:35 am Link to this comment
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I clearly remember only one question from my fourth-grade Civics class final exam in 1961:  “Define martial law.”  The only correct answer was:  “Suspension of Habeas Corpus.”

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By Mystech, September 29, 2006 at 7:26 am Link to this comment
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Thank you so very much for this article. I’m reassured to know that others are acknowledging the chilling historical similarities betweent the direction the Bush Administration is taking.

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By Jaques, September 29, 2006 at 7:16 am Link to this comment
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Publish the photos and home (and vacation home) addresses of all these scum on the internet, and I will assure you things will be taken care of.

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By Eochaidh MacDhalaigh OghaChruithne, September 29, 2006 at 7:12 am Link to this comment
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Do not blame the official acceptance of torture by America on an ethical failing on the part of our government leaders.  Our failings are due mostly to us Americans rejecting history and the study of history.  There is a disconnection between Americans and the past.  Therefore, the Magna Carta, and the lessons learned that resulted in the Magna Carta are lost on us and we are doomed to repeat history - only we make the same mistakes this time with more sophisticated ability to kidnap and torture anyone anytime anywhere that one man wants to.  Even the king of England, before the Magna Carta, did not have the legal authority to destroy people that the spoiled brats in the White House have.

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By Andy, September 29, 2006 at 6:38 am Link to this comment
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I’m not surpised all these politicians are ‘complying’ with Bush. It wont be long before the objectors/rival politicians begin to disappear too.

I think it’s going to mean a concerted effort by the rest of the world before anything can topple Adolf Bush. Long live Hugo Chavez!

Andy, UK

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By A rope leash, September 29, 2006 at 6:31 am Link to this comment
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This is the third comments section I’ve read this week that seems to display a rising anger among Americans regarding not just this bill, but the general condition of our society and its government.

Next week, on October 5, an All Out day is planned.  Call in sick, and go join a protest.  Despite the threat of this bill, I encourage everyone, especially the locals in D.C. to march on their regional governments. We the people are the country, not them the government!

This bill defies the Constitution, and should be struck down immediately by the SCOTUS, but don’t hold your breath for that.  We must mass in the streets, or these muppets in Congress will simply not get the message.

If we don’t stop us, the world will, just like they did to another idiot dictator back in the Forties.  That was not pretty, and this won’t we either, unless we take it back ourselves.

(Yes, Honest Abe suspended habeas corpus.  Don’t mention this to the neocons, because they will proudly present it as precedent for their actions…)

Love you Molly…

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By Bukko in Australia, September 29, 2006 at 5:53 am Link to this comment
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Thank you Jon for reminding us that President Cheney—oops, I mean Bush—is the equivalent of Abraham Lincoln! I am SO sorry that my wife and I emigrated Down Under because we thought we were getting away from fascism. Why, everything President Rumsfeld—oops!—is doing is perfectly legal. We’ll move back as soon as we can get off the no-fly list…

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By michael, September 29, 2006 at 5:47 am Link to this comment
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I don’t have much fight left after 54 years of just fighting to survive. I stopped being an “acquire then expire” type pawn of the capitalists and now live a very simple life, drive a 32 mpg automobile and try to be decent to people. That is all I have left. I give up….........I am glad my dad didn’t live long enough to see this country destroyed….......

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By John, September 29, 2006 at 5:16 am Link to this comment
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You have sat by writing your eloquent complaints which never reach those for whom they are meant as the liberties that thousands have died to protest have been taken away from us.  You have mindlessly sat and watched the idiot box, to wrapped up in sporting events and your self centered ways to see that your very way of life was being taken from you.  Now, as the controlled media has totally ignored the happenings as if they were not taking place and not giving guidance as the Constitution and Bill of Rights was being shredded before your eyes you will have to do the unthinkable.  Think for yourselves. It appears that now you are left with only three alternatives.
    One, you can continue to do nothing in which case we can look forward to living in a country such as Germany was in the late 1930’s and 40’s.
    Two, you can hope that the elections will produce a far different result than the last several. Here you must also hope that the touch screen voting machines that have produced nothing but questionable results every time they have been used, and still have been certified, will somehow reflect the will of the people. Even then as it appears that the only difference in the current two parties is the spelling therefore the hope for change taking this route is weak at best. 
    Third you can realize what is at stake here, realize that if you fail to speak up all you have will be lost.  This government has been given absolutely no reason to listen to the people of the United States as they have become, as we used to say, all show and no go.  The government must be made to realize, and soon that if they do not change that the people will do as instructed by what our President has called that “God Damn piece of paper”.  That is to take back the government. 

It appears that we have now reached the “fight or fright” stage and I mean that literally.  Which road will you take?

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By Geoffrey Transom, September 29, 2006 at 4:54 am Link to this comment
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As I sit in the tower of a little 15th century chateau in the Maine-et-Loire, a gentle rain has begun outside. The swans in the little lake have gone to sit in the middle of the island that holds the remains of a 12th century keep.

The main part of the house where I live is older than the United States. During the Revolutionary War (France’s, not the US War of Independence) this house was used by both loyalists and anti-monarchy forces - some of whom (on both sides) fought with Lafayette when he helped the US revolutionaries (and who can forget the debt owed to the French navy for the lifting of the blockade?).

Point is - I am here, and you poor Yanks are stuck in a teenage country with a pre-teen Boy Emperor (whose IQ is only about 12 points above the old definition of “cretin”). Since you believe - at a national level - that history began sometime after the last white teenage missing-girl-du-jour went missing, you are a fortiori blind to the causes of much of global anti-Americanism (by which I mean anti US-GOVERNMENT-ism, not animosity toward the people - who, like people everywhere, are a mixed bunch but who are basically honest and decent).

Here in Frog-land, there is a curious ambivalence to political leaders. They are considered vaugely aristocratic (in a country which guillotined much of its senior aristocracy) but are also considered as not to be trusted. Sure, taxes are reasonably high (but Tax-to-GDP is not significantly different to the US when ALL taxes are counted… and the French deficit is smaller). And although the historical trecord shows that six drunk Germans with a BB gun can take France in about 24 hours, at least the Frogs don’t write their national myth based on turning up to the major wars well after half-time when bot hsides are buggered, and then declaring that YOU were the decisive factor in the victory of the winner.

For as history also shows, the US mighty military is HOPELESS against any half-determined enemy with anything more threatening than a pointy stick.

But back to the point - your sell-out political class (who have been the sane since Shay’s rebellion) who have just undone every advance in human rights since the Battle of Hastings.

It serves you right - if you let your Republic become an Empire, and are too stupid as a nation to see the warning signs (Rome, Greece, France) regardign what happens when you turn into an Empire, then you deserve your own semi-literate Caligula. Enjoy…

In France, you will notice that most of the seats of power have moats - because historically whenever politicians have done something that was genuinely an outrage against public morality, the peasants would literally STORM the barricades.

Me, je suis anarchiste. I would not trust a politician to tell me if it was raining. It should be NO SURPRISE to anybody that these vermin act in ways that are entirely self-serving and have little regard for the Rawlsian ‘veil of ignorance’.

Gee it’s beautiful here. Sure, that teeny twerp Sarkozy might become Emperor this year (I doubt it), but the actual effect on most people’s lives is mercifully little. Especially for non-Frogs (we’re Aussies)... you jsut turn up at the prefecture every so often and say “I’ll be here for another few months”. Sweet.


A note for those who think that Dubya is a “six-footer” (i.e., a real man - anyone under 6 feet in height should not be allwoed to be a political leader). Sarkozy is about 5-foot-seven, and we were shown last night a photo of him shaking Dubya’s hand… and they are the SAME HEIGHT.

Short man syndrome… plus, the guy was a cheerleader in college. (Can you spell “Not that there’s anything wrong with that” or “Jeff Gannon Sleepover”). How many of Perle, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush, Libby, et cetera, are under 6 feet tall?

Yes, I am a rabid anti-Shortite. Short men are the cause of the world’s ills.

Excuse me for the moment - I have to go eat some cheese.




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