In response to comment #26222, we *are* revolting.  We’ve allowed it to happen.  It has been said that people deserve the government they get.  We deserve this because we sit idly and watch football and reality shows and talk about the Hummer we will buy soon.

Good Golly Ms Molly,

I would hope that every other American I met
had atleast half of your intelligence, humor,
and heart.

GDS

Smarter N.U.—Thanks for the link to the FSM. I’m so glad I was wearing adult diapers, because it made me piss my pants. Now all those existential mysteries I wondered about all make sense…

It has nothing to do with the Jews, you morons!  It is the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

If I have posted this before - please forgive me:

“In Germany they first came for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist.

“Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew.

“Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist.

“Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant.

“Then they came for me —
and by that time no one was left to speak up.”

Pastor Martin Niemoller

Well its official now

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why is it impossible to be a Jewish left-wing radical

i’m tired of all this zionist conspiricy shit
the only reason Bush supports Israel is because the Jews need to build another temple for Jesus to come back.

Children often resort to physical force and intimidation. Often they fight when unable to get what they want via dialectic and peaceful debate.If necessary they lie and fight dirty .Too young to have read Machiavelli,they inherently justify their means. Fortunately , many grow up and become decent human beings.Some do not. From a beautiful (albeit stolen) island in the Pacific, Mahalo and Aloha

Read it and weep:

Documents Reveal Scope of US Database on Antiwar Protests
By Eric Lichtblau
The New York Times

“Internal military documents released Thursday provided new details about the Defense Department’s collection of information on demonstrations nationwide last year by students, Quakers and others opposed to the Iraq war.

“The documents, obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union under a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, show, for instance, that military officials labeled as “potential terrorist activity” events like a “Stop the War Now” rally in Akron, Ohio, in March 2005.

“‘There is simply no reason why the United States military should be monitoring the peaceful activities of American citizens who oppose U.S. war policies,’ said Ben Wizner, a lawyer for the A.C.L.U.

“Joyce Miller, an official with the American Friends Service Committee, a Quaker group that learned that information on some of its antiwar protests was in the military database, said she found the operation to be a “chilling” and troubling trend.”

To 28509, yes, the suspension of habeas corpus is in the constitution, but not under the circumstances in this country today. We are not in an insurrection, nor have we been invaded. Incidentally, Lincoln was soundly, and most likely correctly criticized for his suspension of it.
Congress has made it possible for Bush to do it on whimsy---all he has to do is name someone, anyone, an “enemy combatant,” and that does not mean that person has to be carrying a weapon or be captured in a combat setting. In addition, Bush can have “aggressive interrogation” used on said “enemy combatant” and sir, that means torture. Bush has not said that they will not use water boarding, for instance, and that, my obtuse friend, is EFFING TORTURE.

Dumbasses, the president has always had the power to suspend habeas corpus. It’s in the consititution, and Abraham Lincoln did it.

What more is there to be said. We are well on the road to becoming a Police State.

It seems that some people are more concerned about their respective political party’s power, than the people of this great nation.

We are now the United Corporations of America.

Our founding fathers are rolling in their graves. They fought a revolution to rid themselves of just this kink of tyranny. I am afraid to contemplate what comes next.

Consider what happened in 1930s Nazi Germany.  Except for Jews, homosexuals, Gypsies, and so on; ordinary Germans just went about their ordinary business until an outside force put an end to the Holocaust.  What if ordinary Germans mailed a letter to Hitler declaring themselves to be Jews?

Americans are not taking any risks or helping the victims - mostly Muslem - of the Bush dictatorship unless they take Direct Action against the American Neo-Nazi government by sending the Department of Defense an e-mail declaring that they’re Enemy Combantants.  The only question is:  should it be Unlawful Enemy Combatant or just Enemy Combatant.  I’ve done alot of soul searching over this question, so I hereby declare that I’m an Unlawful Enemy Combatant.

The American people are still the same, but the government is not the same, it is totally something else, as it is I am a world citizen who loves mankind as brothers and sisters, who cares about people, and No matter what I say or Do, No human has questioned me about it, the readers of this website are all educated and good humans, weither America gets the power/law of their country back to thier hand or not, we are going to see , every nation under the control of its people in 18 years, this is fact, The lord is behind this operation restoring law and order, before I knew who I was, I child dreamed, I wanted to invest in this great nation, but the Jewish said. let him invest but don’t give him reward because he is anti-simitic( anti_jewish) in fact which I was not, this administration listened , and obay the Zionist, finally God has Contacted me and Told me that I was the Guided one (mahdi) who will appear just before the appearence of The master of the Messengers Issa the son of mary (jesus)

the Lord told me that every things helps both good and evil, and That I was not Liar but the Jewish were Liars, Allah Said worldly things are nothing , the lord Told me that I was Just human, who shares same believe with every human, just a man who is human being, God promised me that he will take me to the Seventh heaven, and finnaly He said You will shine over them now Go back to hell! the Hell is here , I was expecting to go to the Seventh Heaven but The lord said you have to serve me and do task for me now back to hell, and I was this helly Life again, I am 22 years old, and never give full responsiblity to person under the age 40, maybe I will do some great mission before i read 40, but for the guranteed site we will be 100% under law and order,peace, justice, equaillty, Golden age!  So America start getting your nation back from the Jewish now or wait for 18 years when for sure every nation will be under the control if it own people not others, my relationship to this adminstration is fine, they only took away my worldy things ,and I have more responsiblity then complaining about worldy things, we live side by side, I show them that they are nothing but losers, and they just make themselves busy with lifes on shows like this, saying such as, here our freedoms goes, we want make them all like him, damn it I will bring you all to justice if you last in 18 years, you are faulures, the American people are still the same but the goverment is not, how can you take over your government America, you are facing the worst enemy ever the zionist, they hit this nation on the head , making them not remember things, they killed Americans inorder to justfy attacking the enemy of the zionist, America had the right to fight back, but did it really hit the right target? human being, you are a human, I hope you understand that we are only human being and mistakes and evil things happen, so always use your brain correctlly and make changes as you needed, i hope America remembers who hit her on the head if it recovers , I will well for All Americans, who are suffering from this attack, and I hope you recover from the attack, salaam (peace and security)

I believe America have been hijicked by Zionist,

you can still feel the left over of this great nation after it has been complety under the control of The Jewish, sometimes I accidentlly support the claims of the Jewish that we are treat the freedom and the well being this nation while infact we (the muslims) wish well for mankind by not being patient, the first time I came into existence in the knowledge of the government was that I was A guy who was dreaming a child dream, who wanted to invest in this nation, but the Jewish lied and said , he is anti-jewish which I was not, and they said i was religious, in fact when I was a regular person, but there was people who love me and who care about me, but saddy they had no power but to tell the truth, all the good people could was please understand the guy, he doesn’t edit his work, and when I get mad them, and talk extreme to the government they explain that this guy is suffering injustice, and there is nothing but love and everything else is illustion, so 99% of the people who knew about this were good and only 1% were bad, but guess what? that 1% is the power holding ones, even not bush the Zionist are that 1% and they run the government, America by its hard working people, and its great great founder build a great and strong nation, and they warned the coming generation of the dangour that face them, as its on the record America fathers warn about the influnece and the take over of the Jewish, but latelly America forgot and it found it self under the goverment of isreal, so everthing is in mess, it takes a man to make it net, already we are war with Fake terror and the real terror is in our system, so, all the dumb leader can do is ignore the real terror and try to first finish up with the current conflic then, maybe fix this problem later, and that is dumb as I titled, a leader will do something else, which I will not say it here, a leader will make change, a leader will say I made mistake, I have been on the right path, a leader will ask his people for guidance if he doesn’t believe in God, God will not help you unless your first help yourself, so America should elect an American next election not Zionist, and the American leader whould not give all his sets to the zionizt instead of Americans, in fact Allah Has informed that the Problem is the Jewish and that I will shine over them , infact America is still America but its facing big problem it needs a man to lead the country I hope a man will step in and put this nation on its postion, for you those who are saying I am leaving America, you are wrong you need to say and make change, organise your family and make sure this nation is ruled by the book the Law of the gosbel not the law of the Zionist, America there is task ahead, if America can not get rid of the Zonist by itself, I will put each nation in the hand of its people in 18 years , atlest when I am 40, because Allah has promised me that I will shine over them The Jewish, So by the Age 40 I am responsible and Allah will give all means of power and knowledge now ,because I am still not as patien and as responsible as I should be, by allah’s mercy we will see Golden age , salam

I’m sure there’s a giant octopus in all of this.

How are you going Unimaginative? I agree with you about the UK. My wife and I had the misfortune to fly through Heathrow on the way to the Continent last month. The paranoia there was as thick as in the U.S. Australia also has potentially draconian laws on the books, and no Bill of Rights as in the U.S. However, we’ve seen the Bill of Rights can be treated as a “poo ticket” (Aussie slang for piece of toilet paper) when you get right down to it.

What gives me faith is the spirit of the people here. They’re better educated in general than Americans, and anti-authoritarian by nature. I think it has something to do with the mindset of living in a land of wide open spaces—as the U.S. used to be. Whilst it’s true that there are squalid prison camps for illegal immigrants—like the desert ones in the Northern Territory or on isolated islands in the Coral Sea—many Australians are up in arms about it. I didn’t see similar protests against treatment of Muslim immigrants swept up in the spasm after 9/11. And after all, a country can’t just allow everyone to enter. But they should be treated humanely before being returned to whence they came.

Lastly, as fascist as John Howard and the Liberals are, I believe they are working to better the lives of Aussies in general. (I still hope they’re turfed out in the elections next year.) Sadly, the U.S. government seems only to be acting on behalf of the corporations and the richest 1,000 people in the country.

For those of you thinking of becoming political refugees from the US over this stinky BS, please don’t waste your time considering the UK (the rest of europe’s probably right out, as well). We got something similar - The Civil Contingencies Act - passed through a similar silent backdoor about 18 months ago… greased it’s way onto the statute whilst the media’s attention was distracted by the more prominent but ultimately pathetic Control Orders bill. The thing is almost literally out of VFV and depressed me quite badly when I found out about it (about as badly as finding out about serious UK and probably EU-wide plans for permanently installed, permanently active tracking, per-mile travel charging and forceful speed-limiting chips in all cars). Sure, the head of state needs to enact a state of emergency before assuming the almost godly martial-law powers over the country that the bill allows, but the criteria for declaring such a thing are gossamer thin and can be signed off in a matter of hours.

This is something akin to a guerilla war that could easily switch-flip to blitzkrieg by our ruling powers against their own people. Watch your asses.

PS Australia is allegedly almost as bad… IF you’re the “wrong” kind of immigrant… (concentration-camp style facilities for those trying to get in without those necessary skills). Not sure on NZ. It might be better. Given the scenery there and abundance of noshable foliage / suicidally dumb fauna it might be worth travelling there and giving up the modern life to live rough in the mountainside bush.

Yours sincerely,
U.P.
(email address is false, of course; though you’ve probably got my IP, i’d like at least a small layer of anonymity to protect me from those who may accuse me of unamerican / unbritish leanings, i.e. they’ll have to subpoena you for the info rather than just grabbing an active account name right off the page)

Truthdig Silent with Chavez, Praises The Terminator, Big Business Instead.  Torture Laws Pass By Silently

For those of you who missed this article, which I posted last Sunday, when the Truthdigger of the Week was silently absent, here it is, Chavez’s Address to the UN in it’s entirety.  The mayor of Salt Lake City calls Bush onto the carpet, and gets praise.  When a head of state, in front of the UN does so…not so much. What’s going on here? In a similar fashion, Habeas Corpus’s untimely death has been sidelined as well, please read on…

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0920-22.htm

As a matter of fact, Truthdig editors refused to publish Chavez’s address on the site in it’s entirety; partial excerpts were instead made available. 

This trend might appear healthy, balanced…but I see Truthdig doing more than moderating, in a sense, marginalizing whistleblowers that are in great need of recognition.  Where is the coverage of the Anti Torture bill, and it’s earth shattering repeal of Habeas Corpus?  Buried some 25 articles deep on Truthdig’s front page.  This is not to say that other news, as it comes down the pipe should not take precedence…it’s just Habeas Corpus has been part of jurist prudence since the mid 1200’s.  With the stroke of a pen, the Republican Congress and Executive have essentially re-invented not only international law, but our very constitution.  Here’s a pretty big story, folks.  Where is the AP blurb, the discussion on this one? Hiding while Matt Drudge’s idiotic rants get full coverage.

It’s here (no surprise) on the front page of another lefty outlet for full disclosure:
http://alternet.org/rights/42414/

Here’s a quip Truthdig may wish to publish, something from the recently passed torture laws, might be an interesting piece of discourse

Congress shall, immediately upon our inauguration, initiate amendments to the Constitution providing (a), that the President shall have the authority to institute and execute all necessary measures for the conduct of the government during this critical epoch; (b), that Congress shall serve only in an advisory capacity, calling to the attention of the President and his aides and Cabinet any needed legislation, but not acting upon same until authorized by the President so to act; and (c), that the Supreme Court shall immediately have removed from its jurisdiction the power to negate, by ruling them to be unconstitutional or by any other judicial action, any or all acts of the President, his duly appointed aides, or Congress.

Friends, I say these things because I care about the direction of this country, this planet for that matter.  I write this article today to call Truthdig editors to pull back the stops on this topic, it greatly needs to be aired, and it deserves front and center placement on your website for quite a while to come.

Yours,

Lifewriter

Looks like ‘ole “-I’m- the Decider, -I- Decide” is hellbent and determined to run our Government (and the rest of America along with it) straight into the ground, before he’s well and truly done.

Which brings me to a question:

“Curious George, the Monkey” and “Clueless George, the Monkey” - - - Separated at birth?

Thomas Carper (D-DE)
Tim Johnson (D-SD)
Mary Landrieu (D-LA)
Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Joe Lieberman (D-CT)
Robert Menendez (D-NJ)
Bill Nelson (D-FL)
Ben Nelson (D-NE)
Mark Pryor (D-AR)
Jay Rockefeller (D-WV)
Ken Salazar (D-CO)
Debbie Stabenow (D-MI)

The definition of torture is contained in what we signed in the Geneva Convention standard, the president changing that at his own whim should be the focus of the Supreme Court. So should it be a concern when the wavor of wiretapping legislation is in violation of higher laws.

I am having a black arm band sewn, to indicate my state of mourning---mourning for the death of the noblest country in history, the United States of America, that now has become The New Amerika. R.I.P., America, we hardly knew ye!
I will be wearing this arm band from now on, and, if asked, I will just say that I am in mourning for the death of the country I once held dear.

How are you going, John Zook? I’m one who actually did leave the U.S. because my conscience would no longer let me be a tax-paying part of the U.S. war machine. (Especially because I’m convinced President Cheney plans to launch a nuclear atack on Iran.) Be aware that it’s not easy.

Aside from the logistics of moving all your stuff across a border and/or an ocean, there are the legalities of visas. Sovereign nations don’t just let you rock up and say “I want to live here.” You need to get permission from the host government. Most require that you have some sort of skill that will enable you to be a productive part of the local economy. You’ll also need health insurance, proof that you can support yourself, have a place to live, speak the local language, etc. (Lucky for me I’m a registered nurse, always an in-demand profession. It still took me a year of work, which started the day after the election in 2004.) Many liberals have wished they could get away from the fascist nation the U.S. is becoming. To make it more than grizzling (Aussie slang for complaining) is some hard yards, mate.

That said, I feel a lot better for leaving the land where I was born. I sleep better at night, no longer feeling guilt for what the U.S. is doing, nor fear for what might be done to me. The U.S. is a country wracked with paranoia and anger now. It’s much more relaxed in other nations. My wife and I just got back from three weeks in Europe, and it was sad to see all the warnings about “You better not do this or carry that if you’re planning to fly into the States.” America is becoming more like the Soviet Union all the time.

I wish had faith that things would change in two years. But people with power don’t give it up just because elections say they should. Elections can be cheated when one faction controls the voting machines. It’s going to take the implosion of the U.S. economy and wrenching social disturbances before these bastards are driven out. Not revolution with guns—remember that the mighty Soviet communist empire was overthrown non-violently except in Romania—but things really have to hit the shitter before that happens. I had a chance to get out with my money and morals intact, so I did. Good luck, all you who must stay behind.

Friday was a black day in the history of this nation.  I was shocked at how easily this all happened ... my heart is breaking over this.  What in the name of all that is good has happened to this nation?  I confess that I spend a good deal of my time feeling overwhelmed and desolate.  What can we do to change things?

The writer, producer, and director of abu grahib never had to show his trailers of torture during this award show. Thanks go out to the academy of gutless Democrats. Please take a bow.

V for Vendetta?

Let’s just come right out and say it:

“People shouldn’t be afraid of their government.  Governments should be afraid of their people.”

The Second Amendment ain’t about duck hunting, folks.  It’s about tyrant hunting.  It’s about terrorist hunting.  It’s about criminal hunting.

And it’s about hunting those who are all three at once, whether they live in a desert cave or a plush penthouse inside the beltway.

Sic Semper Tyrannis.

re: 26374

Grandpappy Bush was a Nazi, running around in the same circles as Lindberg.

Blood will tell.  9/11 was Drunken Dubya’s very own Reichstag fire.

A little food for thought from five years ago.

We’re not that far away from scenes like this.

Every one thinks ? [with the exeption of a few], That Gogress acted as if there reason for voting for this were in favor, ?? people expected ?? a filibuster?? Yah right,
Remember this, These Guys are agressivly trying too avoid a sentance, {IE Bush and Co}, there no stranger too ignoring Human Life suffering, They for the Crywolfmen Killed 3000 americans on 9/11, so they could pretext plans for Iraq and Iran??, the last bunch that openly critizied Bush got anthraX LETTERS SENT TOO THEM FOR THE eVENTFULL QUESTIONING OF 9/11?? YOU and Congress is cowering for there own Life, they dare not go against Bush on this??
Remember only reason Bush is exluding the rights Of Habeas Corpus Is because he has already committed Many acts of crule inhuman torchering with no Courts oversite or trial resulting in Death too its detanded prisoner of war< and as such is a war crime punishable By Death, this Bill would effectivly allow Him and Co to get a free pass for war crimes, By the Way If you think these Guys are not Serious, check out the retained Lawers Bush has for His team, to defends Law suites against them for Just that? also the Pentagon has advised the Cia to retain Attornies alos for its involvmnet in the Death of Detainies keep in Sectrect prisons. these are the ones that are of real issue, because there dead form Torcher,?? you get it yet>> Its Not what congress can’t do its why they wont do it, There in fear, Its not a Pansy issue Like last time Democrates threaten a Filibuster, this Issue means severe consiquences For Bush and Co.. and Beleive me there in so deep they will stop at nothing too save there ass. And yes there ego and Eragance is a result of The power that lets them emagine there getting away with it, as long as they Have the Power they are untouchable and They relish it with lust>>

adios John Zook, you are correct, that comment had to be made by a real asshole...but leave the country?  Hey, in two years things will change.  For the better, I hope so?  If you pull up stakes and run they will not.  You are appalled and ashamed and so am I and not always for the same reasons.  There is total crap being spoken as fact from both sides, somewhere in-between lays the truth.  Look not everything stated about Bush is true and name calling is pretty low rent.  And absolutely everything Bush as done is not great and good.  Being against everything a President does just because you dislike or disagree with them is just wrong.  In a little over two years there will be a change and that change will signal that calling Bush a dictator is factually incorrect.  I guess what I am trying to say John is stay here and do your part and believe me we all have little parts, do your part to make this the kind of country you want.  You know what?  I bet we really want the same free America; we just look at getting it differently.  Honestly I didn’t vote for Jimmy Carter, lovely man, caring man, smart man, just was a very so, so President.  We the people survived, we have survived many terrible and just average Presidents.  I didn’t especially like Bill Clinton and George Bush is not my favorite by any stretch but we will survive both and in the long run we will be better of because of them both.  I bet history will be kind to them both.  I hope you stick around and help make America a better place than it is today.

Just think… who would do this to the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave, and why?  Who would push to legalize torture and hold those who do it immune from prosecution? 

Who would take away the liberty of individuals, before conviction, declaring them enemies—and then deny them the ability to see the evidence against them?

Who would want the power to indefinitely incarcerate and hold people incommunicado, bringing no charges?

Who would want such power over the lives of you and me?

I think the proper answer might be “a totalitarian despot, a fascist, a dictator.”

Now we can clearly see who benefits, in large part, from 9-11-2001, the day that “changed the world as we know it.” Is it unthinkable that the events of that day were, if not made to happen, at least allowed to happen?

Think about it.

Qui bono?  It surely is not the Islamic peoples, or even Bin Laden.  And it surely is not us, either.

I am apalled and ashamed of this government, now made up mostly of neocon thugs, perverts and degenerates of every kind.
As a patriot, I am now ashamed of Amerikka. It has been under the control of an alcohol, cocaine brain damaged punk who leans over the presidential podium like a drunken frat-boy.
As to the comment #26327: it is obvious you are an ignorant asshole!
The fucking asshole neocons who support their fuhrer herr bush, should all throw themselves into the oceans as the mindless lemmings they are.
Amerikka has now sunk into the abyss of tyranny and facism. The absolute contempt and hatred I have for this government cannot be expressed ion words!
I am going to check the ACLU site to see if any of the Dem reps from my state voted for this goddamn, fucking bill. If any of these people did so, I’m going to write the nastiest letter to these fuckheads and resign from the Dem. party immediately.
Fuck bush,fuck congress and the supreme court of assholes and all who support them.
We need to gather millions strong and march down pennsylvainia ave. , surround the whorehouse and demand they leave or else!
I’m done with the brainless assholes who try to defend bush. It is obvious they slept through Amerikkan history class.
America no longer exists. It has now joined the ranks of nazi Germany, Italy and Stalinist Russia as well as China.
I am now planning to leave this godforsaken, wretched, paranoid, schizophrenic nation of morons , being led by sociopaths and perverts- much the as the same as nazi Germany was.
Goodbye Amerikka. Say hello to the new world order and the next facist state!

A dictator is a dictator - Batista and Castro may be on opposite poles; however, they share a corrupt thirst for power.

Looking like a populist Chavez is creating a following by using petro dollars to buy influence.

V-Vendetta

http://viewfromtonka.blogspot.com/2005/04/conversat ions-with-us-soldiers-wounded.html

<< Major Tammy Duckworth is 36 yrs old and is a Black Hawk Pilot from the Illinois Army National Guard. Her father was in the foreign service of some sort and they lived in many countries (mostly Asian) around the world for her growing up years. She said that’s when she learned to appreciate being an American and the greatness of her country. Tammy joined ROTC after she had graduated from college and was working on a graduate degree. So she was a little older when she joined ROTC. Tammy’s injuries resulted from an RPG which struck what I think she called the chin bubble which severely injured her legs and right arm. Her left leg was amputated to her knee (I think?) and her right left was amputated to where she only has a small length of bone. With her right arm most of it was blown away around her elbow and Walter Reed grafted skin from her stomach, sewed the arm to her stomach for awhile and eventually removing the stitches so basically they rebuilt her arm. It was incredible. Her tendons and nerves were connected so she has full use of her wrist and hand. Just fascinating to see. Tammy’s attitude was uplifting and positive. She also wants to go back to flying helicopters if it’s possible. Tammy was working on her hand strength and coordination therapy with this Velcro board and she made a cute comment:  “I never thought of Velcro as a torture device until I got to Walter Reed” >>

http://viewfromtonka.blogspot.com/2005/04/conversation s-with-us-soldiers-wounded.html

6:16 p.m. M.S.T. Saturday 30 September 2006

I just sent the following message to the United States Department of Defense.

Who will follow me? Are there any other “Wild Irish?”

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5:23 p.m. M.S.T. Saturday 30 September 2006

Sir:

I hereby declare myself to be an Enemy Combatant.

Sincerely,

469-62-5050
PFC Eochaidh MacDhalaigh OghaChruithne (Ret.)
Ceann-cinnidh
Na Fineachan Gaidhealach
Na Fardach Cinnidhean
1325 South Animas Street
Lordsburg, Nuevo Mexico 88045-2605
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

505-542-3587

http://thegoshinyamajujutsuandco...om/ eochaid1.htm

ok,before this law has been passed, I used talk bad to this Administration, does this mean I still can not, if I couldn’t only have saved the emails, the one I was acting the most powerful government, was , I said, you are fighing with Islam, I have declared War on the Enemy of allah, if you fight with me I will destroyed, and you know I will, It was long and scary one to the President, He send to secret serive guys, I welcomed them and they told me who they were, I told them wlc, they show me the email I send to them, with My local State Idea photo on the bottom of the email copy, they Asked me why I did talked this bad to the goverment, and I said where are the earlier emails, and the last one, don’t the make greate, he said true in his mind, and said do you want to kill the President, I said no I don’t want, do you have any weapon, I said No I thought ya know i didn’t had any, who gives you this power and I said allah, and He said Allah alright, like he has been told to ask the guy who gives him the power, they said our great great fathers left us knowalge and wisdom, I said yeah, they Ask me to show my left chick, which I have dark spot on my left chick, and I told them that Know Jesus will be here in our life time and tell George I love him, meaning No heart feelings, they left, they suddently attacked me in few weeks, and the result was katrina, and we tested them again about few months ago, and they followed our signs but they were peacful, when I was first writing this comments I wanted to talk trick those who wanted this law to happen, but it will not make sense, they can not come around me anyway, and they will only attacked other people who are just talking, I want you to test if your government is that super, and powerful, told them You have seen I again who will take away your freedom soon, he is name is abdifatah suleiman, he lives right here in the United states He used to life in nashville and he lives In minneapolis Minnosota now, you can fingh now on wilson Library in south minneapolis, he is Somali and around in his 20’s (22), to warm your case up, I will rest my bother Sheikh Osama, Nasrilah, and all those who are fighting for the cause of greater freedom and Justice, and equally, to end the show, you will only find them enjoying my work, go finger yourself if you are mad at me, you are weak, who really want to shut up our brain and our freedom of living life, hey have fun and don’t try this at home

Their misbranded WAR ON TERROR, OPEN BORDERS, economic GLOBALIZATION and even their NORTH AMERICAN UNION scheme to combine the USA, Canada & Mexico are NOT about protecting or spreading democracy. They are all about expanding their KLEPTOCRACY.

This Administration has joined with elitist unelected lobbyists to form ruling KLEPTOCRATS. They snitch rights and wealth from We The People of the working lower and middle class then channel it to their corporate privileged class. They rescript blood-won liberties and broaden wars to propagate their power-profiteering agenda.

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The BUSH KLEPTOCRACY perverts as tactic: fear and reason, vehemence for importance, truth and deceit, certitude with morality, never owning up as right, ad hoc warring with protecting, conservatism with radicalism.

Kleptocracy is not Democracy.

The problem is, Jack Nasten, is that the president now has the power to declare ANYONE, including citizens, ‘enemy combatants’ whatever that means.

This is particularly frightening to me, since I found that I had been placed on the TSA ‘No-Fly’ list for activites that are supposedly protected under the First Amendment.

Since there are now 200K+ names on the ‘No-Fly’ list, 80% of whom have nothing to do with terrorism, but have been identified as those who dissent with King George III’s policies, you can see where this is going.  If a pilot can be denied advanced training through ‘secret’ information, and be put on the ‘No-Fly’ list (losing his job) as retaliation for challenging that denial in court, no one is safe.

Not even you, Jack.  Just say the ‘wrong’ thing and you too may end up a guest of Gitmo or Fort Lafayette.  Or an even worse place where you might be recycled into lamp shades and soap.

“These Zionists, I want to tell you, are not Jews. That’s the biggest deception we’ve ever faced.

Zionists are Zionists, period. They are not Jews, they are not Christians, and they are not Muslims. They are a power group, a power party. And we oppose oppression and the aggression that any party that seeks pure power, raw power goes after.” - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, in his speech to the UN

and to #26389 by gary - Our policies are NOT what brought us to 9/11.  Our policies make the Muslim world hate us, yes.  But the real terrorists on 9/11 came from within.  9/11 was an INSIDE JOB.  Those who scoff at this, stop blindly following the MSM (like Popular Mechanics) and do the research.
http://www.wtc7.net/
http://www.st911.org/
http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/pentagon.swf

On the front page of the business section of the Los Angeles Times of September 28 is an article about 7-Eleven dumping Citgo written by two staff writers, Elizabeth Douglass and Marc Lifsher, with reference to Hugo Chavez calling George Bush the devil.  In this article they write of ?a backlash against anti-American comments by Chavez?.  Since many of us agree with Chavez, does this mean that we are also anti-American?  If so, two thirds of the American people should live in fear of being incarcerated for being anti-American, and should live in fear of being deprived of their right of habeas corpus.  Equating dislike of Bush with being anti-American is not something we would expect to read in a respectable newspaper.

I’ve been following this dialog for two days and must comment once more on a few of the statements. response 26344 was upset that 26292 had said that the israeli’s basically run our government. Israel and our war with the arabs on many if not all fronts is just the tip of the iceberg! First the Christian Coalition as well as many politicians completely support Israel in any way possible. 9/11 helped establish the pro-israeli anti arab policies we now openly accept! Our policies are what brought us to 9/11 as much or more than muslim fundamentalism of calling us the “infidels”. It seems so often in this country if you dare question anything about Israel you are labeled a racist right away!
Now, calling for open rebellion even before this new law was passed you could be tried as a traitor so be careful. One or more writers said cut their heads off and put it on t.v.! What, become the barbarians we say they are? Another talked about states rights, like Vermont seceeding; states rights went away before the civil war! That was as much or more of why it happened in the first place. Revolution is enivatable? right! Your only choice is change by a peaceful means! you couldn’t win in today’s world. In summary this is all by design, this is an empire or oligarchy and without a limit on how much if any private money can be used in campaigns it always will! And last independent media ie internet media is killing mainstream in growth, that’s why the establishment would love to stop it!

Good gosh a fido, we have more people locked up in prisons on less evidence than the detainees.  Come on people we have millions of kids being given such inferior skills in school that they will have to rely on the government for the rest of their lives.  Oh crap what a great plan. Oh wow, let’s get upset over a law that pertains to people who are not even citizens.  Oh my but that could be constrewed to apply to some voters.  Well then we can just keep passing laws to keep everyone in this country on dope and then who gives a crap.

God, I promised myself and others that I wouldnt get into another on-line cat-fight, so I’ll just confine myself to these remarks: Thanks, Molly, for the splendid op-ed, as always.

Also, speakin’ only for myself, but as a Nevadan, too, I want to sincerely, deeply and humbly apologise for my Senator, John Ensign, or the “Hair-Do Elect”, as some of us out here call ‘im, and his voting for that bloody bill.

Have never liked him or his politics, and yeaterday, he only just confirmed my already extremely low opinion of ‘im, with that vote of his.

He’s a disgrace to Nevada, and for that, I also apologise.

We Nevadans elected the swine. Now, we must un-elect ‘im and keep ‘im out of office, at every level of government, for good.

Keep The Faith, and Don’t Let The Bastards Grind You Down.

So the Presedent decided to join the third reich and is maticulously starting to recreate the gustopo(NSA,CIA) Dont be suprised if this bill is used to start silencing freespeech. Good by Amerikkka!

Well, read this article in Salon and together with that legislation that just past you can see the writing on the wall what is coming down......

As Roosevelt once said “nothing in politics is done by accident, it’s planned down to the most minute detail.” And so was this...... an intell report leaked to the press that begins the propoganda about Americans themselves and the danger they are to this administration and thus could be come terrorists. 

See where this is going??????? Read it and weep, folks, the alkie and the druggie have gotten their sadist yearnings answered by the “do nothing but treason” Congress. 

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2006/09/27/left ists/index.html

If you vote for a single one of these listed who voted for this, then your guilty of treason against the American people as well.

Molly, thanks again, you are always spot on, your moral compass points eternally true.

One small point, you say people might now start comparing America to Germany of the ‘30s. Sadly, I and all my friends here in Australia reached that precise conclusion years ago. The nonsense justifications for the invasion of Iraq paralleled Hitler’s demands for Lebensraum when invading the Sudatenland. The Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib torture facilities, the “show me your papers” style of internal travelling, the sublimely ridiculous rhetoric of the Administration to parse away the human rights of 95% of the population of the planet and all the other, outrages we have seen are almost like a remake of a bad movie about Germany under the Nazis.

You’re too late. The USA has gone, to be replaced by the Oligarchical Legion of Barbarians.

Kind regards, I hope you survive the madness.

David Ross
Perth, Western Australia

The idea that suspending human rights in the form of habeas corpus for anyone deemed a terrorist parallels exactly, the language of Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini et al. To prove my point, one could simply replace the word, “terrorist” with “enemies of state”. The verbiage in this law is so loose that you could be a terrorist for attending a WTO protest, or wearing anti-government T-shirts.

Here’s my dliemma, and my reasoning on why we’re screwed:

The U.S. ceased to be a democracy anymore when lobbyists with huge pockets staged a coup in the middle of the 20th century and it became a defacto kleptocracy. I say Screw both parties. Let’s rip this set of fascistic laws to shreds and build a new society from the ashes of the world trade center that has values in human rights, and respects other world leader’s viewpoints (and natural resources). Not one single Democrat, moderate Republican, or even Green is going to do this for us. I’m sorry, but government is government, and politicians are politicians. It’s necessary to start treating them as such and stop Ronald McDonald from turning us into hamburger any longer. Support a second American revolution, if you know what’s good for America.

Fox news has to be stopped. So does CNN, MSNBC, and most national newspapers and radio shows. You might say, “but that sounds like censorship!” Well, just consider the current state of the media. It is parcticing censorship in of itself, since by its design, it only allows right wing pundits to go on and demand justice for terrorists and heil Hitler and such. If we start by taking control of the airwaves and other unfree media and destroy the state propaganda machine, they won’t be able to control us for long, no matter what their anti-terrorism laws say.

It sounds like Senator Mel Martinez has forgotten the words of one of the Neocon heros, Benjamin Franklin:

“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”

Of course, there are a plethora of things about their heros the Neocons would like to forget.

Keep your powder dry, and prepare to raise the Gadsden Flag in a sign of resistance.

In response to #26292 by SVF, your racist comments aren’t welcome here. Say all you want about the regime of soon to be late Ariel Sharon, Ehud Olmert and Tzipi Livny and their repressive foreign policies supported by Bush Co.—but harping on another system of belief isn’t constructive in the least as far as this topic is concerned, or in most others. You make yourself sound like the Nazis you denounce.

Otherwise, I agree in general with your position. Nothing personal, I just feel that using such language in this context is counter productive, and downright dangerous.