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Dennis and Elizabeth Kucinich on Lebanon

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Dennis and Elizabeth Kucinich in Lebanon
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Congressman Dennis Kucinich and his wife, Elizabeth, tour a bombed-out section of South Beirut during a recent personal peace-building initiative, during which they met with many of Lebanon’s top leaders, in addition to some Israeli officials.

By Robert Scheer

U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich and his wife, Elizabeth, just returned from a personal peace-building initiative in the Middle East, where the congressman was the first American official to visit Lebanon in the wake of its war with Israel.

During their trip, Elizabeth and Dennis Kucinich, the ranking member on the House Subcommittee on National Security, Emerging Threats and International Relations, met separately with many Lebanese leaders, including Prime Minister Fouad Siniora and President Emile LaHoud, and discussed the need for multiparty talks to achieve a lasting peace in the region.

The couple also toured many bombed-out areas in suburban Beirut and accompanied a humanitarian mission from the American University in Dubai that delivered food, water and medical supplies deep into southern Lebanon.

Upon their return, the congressman and his wife spoke with Truthdig Editor in Chief Robert Scheer about their mission to the area.

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  • Below is an edited partial transcript:

    Robert Scheer: Elizabeth, maybe you could bring in some of your own background.  You’ve been in devastated areas … why don’t you tell us something about what you did before you met the congressman and married him—what your reactions were in Lebanon.

    Elizabeth Kucinich: Well, I first really wanted to come to America after I took my final exam for my master’s degree, which is in international conflict analysis. My final exam was on conflict resolution in world politics, and I walked into the exam, took the exam, and when I walked out I saw the World Trade Center buildings exploding on the television. … I really felt that that was a time to try and bring some kind of energy of reconciliation with the world and people and try and bring humanity back to itself.  So being with Dennis on this trip was a great privilege—to meet with all of these people.

    RS: But before you did that, you had actually traveled quite a bit....

    EK: Oh, yes.

    RS: Why don’t you tell us something about that background, because it’s not as if you just jumped into Lebanon, sort of unaware of reality.

    EK: I spent quite a bit of time in the Middle East before, and really wanted to get back there—feeling that people had a great heart on all sides—to get together if we could really see through the fear and look into the hearts of the people and connect them—give them courage to do that.

    Scheer to Dennis Kucinich: ... You’re challenging the basic assumption of the Bush administration—that we’re up against an Islamo-fascism that’s a part of this religion [of Islam].

    Dennis Kucinich: There’s a Yiddish proverb that says “to a worm in horseradish, the whole world looks like horseradish.” And the Bush administration is trapped in [its] own hidebound, narrow ideology of us versus them.  They’re trapped in this idea of a world that’s in a Manichean struggle, and as a result, they then make that a projection upon the world, and a self-fulfilling prophecy of chaos that is unleashed in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Lebanon, and in Palestine, and wherever they can.  I mean this is just a group that thrives on chaos.  Well, frankly, I reject that, that’s a lie.  The human condition is … always seeking unity … and that’s what we felt in the people that we met.  As Elizabeth said, it wasn’t only in the hundreds of people with whom we came into contact with in village after village, but it was also in the leaders. … We believe after talking to so many leaders in Lebanon and in Israel as well … this is a moment for breakthrough.

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    By Lawrence J. McDonald, March 17, 2007 at 3:46 am #
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    FEC to Kucinich: Pay $137,358

    Dennis Kucinich had no trouble abandoning his district to embark on a quioxtic presidential campaign in 2004 but, apparently, has a problem repaying the $137,358 in federal matching campaign funds that he was ineligible to receive, and for failing to adequately document small contributions received at several “pass the hat” type fundraising events, the Federal Elections Commission has determined.

    The unanimous FEC decision came after a routine audit of Kucinich’s campaign finance reports showed that Kucinich used federal matching funds for campaign purposes after March 4, 2004, when poor showings in several consecutive primaries disqualified him from campaigning with money he’d already received from the federal government.

    “Most campaigns end up having to repay some public funds,” said FEC spokesman Bob Biersack, adding that Kucinich could have used the federal money for purposes other than campaigning, like shutting down his campaign offices.

    Even though he trailed in every 2004 primary, the FEC found that Kucinich continued to use federal money for campaigning until the Democratic party officially made John Kerry its presidential candidate on July 29, 2004. After March 4, the law allowed him to use only privately collected money for campaign purposes.

    Most of the money Kucinich will have to repay - $135,518 - is for improperly spending federal matching funds. The $1,840 remainder is for improperly documenting small campaign contributions.

    Kucinich will be allowed to pay the money he owes from any authorized campaign account, including his congressional kitty, said FEC vice-chairman David Mason. But none of those accounts contained enough money to pay that bill when Kucinich’s last FEC filings were made.

    Kucinich’s 2004 presidential campaign had $28,862 on hand at the end of last year, but owed $278,500 to campaign treasurer Donald J. McTigue. His congressional committee had $32,255 on hand but owed $11,667 to campaign consultant Claudia Jabo. He had $13,678 in his 2008 presidential campaign fund and no debts.

    Nobody from Kucinich’s campaign appeared before the FEC on Thursday to contest the decision. After Kucinich’s campaign receives official notice of the FEC action, it has 20 calendar days to request a public hearing on the matter, Biersack said.

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    By SC Hughes, March 15, 2007 at 2:50 pm #
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    We should be so intelligent (we the electorate) as to elect a politician as admirable, as unbeholden to Big Business, as human (in the finest sense of the word) as Kucinich.

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    By robert kealy, December 18, 2006 at 11:45 am #
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    ELECTORAL VICTORIES ARE THE ELECTORS’ GIFT OF POWER TO THE ELECTED FOR A FIXED PERIOD OF TIME. IT’S THEN UP TO THE ELECTED TO USE THAT POWER TO HELP REALIZE THE IDEALS OF OUR DEMOCRACY TO MAKE IT A SHINING LIGHT ON A HILL FOR OURSELVES AND THE WHOLE WORLD, NOT BY MILITARY PROWESS, BUT BY THE ATTRACTIVE POWER OF OUR EXAMPLE. THE RECORD OF THE NEW 110TH CONGRESS AND THE SELECTION OF THE CANDIDATE TO BE OUR 44TH PRESIDENT IN 2008 WILL TELL THE TALE OF OUR SUCCESS OR FAILURE. DENNIS KUCINICH HAS THE BEST CAREER BAGGAGE TO BE THAT 44TH PRESIDENT AND A FINE FIRST LADY IN HIS WIFE, ELIZABETH HARPER.

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    By a van slyke, December 17, 2006 at 12:58 pm #
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    I agree with the people with humanity and wit. Hondo should be a Honda - there is more soul and understanding of the “human” condition in that auto than in his “body”.

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    By jeri, November 16, 2006 at 5:05 pm #
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    Just want to say to ‘mad as hell’ that if Dennis is in an ‘alternate reality’, I’d like to be there too.  Dennis is the only voice of reality and sanity in this crazy political world. And, by the way, HE WON HIS CONGRESSIONAL SEAT BY A LARGE MARGIN, again! I wish more political leaders were like him.  Peace.

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    By Proud American Patriot, November 16, 2006 at 11:08 am #
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    I have never heard such a bunch of spineless cowardly chickenshits in my life. Starting with this worthless traitor Kucinich and his wife. If all citizens of our great country had the same attitude as this so called congressman, we would be in very dire straights. Have all you idiots forgotten Sept. 11, 2001? Is this what you want?
    If this country and this government are so bad get the hell out. I am sure France or Canada can use a few more cowards. I am personally thankful for a president who has the courage to do the things necessary to keep us safe.
    Do you bunch of whimpering pacifists think for one minite you can bargin with a bunch of Muslim extremists? If so go to it, only let our government respond in the only way they will understand. Kill the bastards!!
    If we had not been attacked on 9/11/01 we would not be at war with them.
    If Lebanon had not let the terrorists use their soil as a launching pad to attack Isreal, they would not have been invaded.
    Then Kucinich would not have had to go over and fake all the “crocodile tears”. What a pussy!

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    By Christina, November 16, 2006 at 6:53 am #
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    I met Congressman Kucinich yesterday on LinkTV for the first time. I offer him and his wife great thanks for their effects toward peace and diplomacy.
    My nightly affirmation is;
    for a present of peace, health, harmony and happiness everywhere in the whole world.
    There are no degrees of miracles, all is possible.

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    By Kevin H, November 16, 2006 at 6:12 am #
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    I don’t see anything about the Saudi priests calling for our death, Denny.

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    By Lawrence J. McDonald, November 6, 2006 at 3:01 am #
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    My congressman, Rep. Dennis Kucinich (OH-10) is running for president again. The Santa Cruz (Calif.) Sentinel reported last month that the failed 2004 presidential candidate was in California with his new wife on a seven-city fundraising tour. His reelection to Congress “a safe bet,” the Sentinel reported that “the 59-year-old vegan and former mayor of Cleveland is eyeing the presidency once again.” In 2004, Kucinich captured only 23 convention delegates, while spending $13 million and completely abandoning his long-suffering constituents for two-and-a-half years. Rev. Al Sharpton finished with 27.

    Curiously, Kucinich, the “peace” candidate in 2004, has been all but ignored by Democratic House leaders; despite the fact that most of his Dem house colleagues are now embracing much of Kucinich’s 2004 presidential platform. After the local congressman finally dropped out of the Dem primary, he had expressed confidence that his candidacy had raised his national profile which, in turn, would boost his stature and influence with House and party leaders in the 109th congress. Apparently, Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) didn’t get the memo; because two years later, Kucinich remains a way-back-bencher with next-to-no influence. As of two weeks ago, Congress.org ranked Rep.Dennis J. Kucinich at # 391 out of 437 members of congress, in terms of power and influence. Worse, yet, is Kucinich’s low rank even within the 201 member Democrat delegation, where he ranks # 157 out of 201 Dems members. And, he only ranks fifth on the six-man Ohio Democratic delegation; trailing Rep.Marcy Kaptur (# 28), Rep.Sherrod Brown (# 36), Rep.Ted Strickland (# 116), and Rep.Stephanie Tubbs Jones (# 154). Only two-term Rep.Tim Ryan (# 188) ranks behind Kucinich. 

    Yet, despite his mediocre standing, Kucinich has, nonetheless, concluded that launching a second fake campaign for president is a good idea. Not that he would be missed in his district, where, since early 2002, Kucinich sightings are almost as rare as an NFL, NBA, or World Series championship around here.. Since then, the six-term congressman has made only three local public appearances. Those were: (1) October 2003, when he announced from City Council chambers that he was running for president; (2) August 2005, when, outside Cleveland City Hall, he married his third wife; and (3) September 2006, when he debated opponent Mike DaVilla (R) at the City Club of Cleveland.

    For the second time in three years, Cleveland has been ranked as the poorest city in America; it’s unemployment rate is the second highest among all U.S. cities. It’s recently been sited as being America’s seventh-most dangerous city as well. Only 37 percent of all ninth graders will graduate from Cleveland public schools. N.E.Ohio is in trouble. Deep trouble. Without a massive influx of federal dollars, any revitalization plans; any turnaround in our beleagered area’s fortunes will remain a pipe dream. And If Kucinich is off schmoozing for dollars in faraway uber-liberal strongholds like Santa Cruz (CA), he can’t be focusing on the federal legislation and required assistance that area government officials will surely need to revitalize and/or reinvent N.E.Ohio. Without federal dollars, Cleveland’s chances for the future are slim and none. And that’s the bottom line. 

    Lawrence J. McDonald
    Fairview Park, OH

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    By kesa, October 28, 2006 at 7:48 am #
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    my dictionary describes anarchy as:
    “a theory that regards the ABSENCE of all direct or COERCIVE government as a political ideal and that proposes the
    COOPERATIVE and VOLUNTARY association of individuals and groups as THE PRINCIPAL MODE OF ORGANIZED SOCIETY”

    As long as this principle fails to be recognised in the world, there will never be peace or justice.
    As long as people cling to their juvenile religious dogmas and try to shove their precepts down everyone else’s throat, there will never be peace or justice.
    As long as someone else controls your wallet, there will never be peace or justice.

    Hey, sounds a lot like the history of the world:
    When has there ever been in human history, PEACE AND JUSTICE? When will you people stop quibbling about who’s righter and who’s wronger? GROW FUCKING UP!!!

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    By saul, October 25, 2006 at 8:44 pm #
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    Hondo

    Can not say there is NO God but can say unless you believe that God is a stupid baby killing liar , the God of the Bible is NOT GOD.
    This fool said that a man that has sex with the wife of another shall die but when his chosen David did, he didn’t see him killed, in fact let him keep the Kingdom and the booty from his crime, Bathsheba - which proves crime can pay if you have an in with the Judge. The this stupid God who said in Deuteronomy 24:16 that a son shall not die for sins of father, causes the death of David’s son for just that reason and then smiles on Solomon who built altars to other God’s showing that this God is NOT VERY BRIGHT

    Here is your stupid lying Jesus
    saying “ My Lord said to My Lord” that the misBegotten one was one of the Lords
    Well Jesus freaks that came from Psalm 110
    Psalm 110

    1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

    2 The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.

    3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

    4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek. ( a Priest like Mel- not the fucking Messiah or greatest- your fucking Jesus is a liar as was the God in the Bible)

    As for abortion
    Who are we to believe the demagogues of religion and politics who use and abuse God or God?

    Don’t take my word for it, read Numbers 5: 12-29 you will find that a man who suspects his wife of adultery should take her to a priest who will administer a potion and question her. If she tells the truth she shall conceive, if she lies she will abort. So at least in this instance God is in favor of abortion unlike the Catholic Church, Southern Baptists etal. who know better then God.
    God not only sanctioned abortion but commanded it.

    As for Jesus
    Many people believe that the Bible is the inerrant word of God, but that is a fallacy. How can I say that. Well, no other authority then Jesus said so. When Jesus talked about divorce he said “ Moses gave that to you, that is not how it was from the beginning (Mark 10:2-9 & Matthew 19:7-8).
    The fact that Jesus disagrees with Moses blows the conception of many that while the Bible may have been written by men , they only wrote what God wanted. But with Jesus saying that Moses’s decree was not God’s, that argument goes out the window

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    By Mike B), October 23, 2006 at 5:24 pm #
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    Interviewer: There has been much debate regarding the legitimacy of the Israeli state. To what extent is Israel a legitimate, or an
    illegitimate, state?

    Chomsky: I don’t think that the notion of legitimacy of a state means
    very much. Is the United States a legitimate state? It’s based on genocide; it conquered half of Mexico. What makes it legitimate? The
    way the international system is set up, states have certain rights; that has nothing to do with their legitimacy. Every state you can
    think of is based on violence, repression, expulsion, and all sorts of crimes. And the state system itself has no inherent legitimacy.
    It’s just an institutional form that developed and that was imposed with plenty of violence. The quetion of legitimacy just doesn’t arise. There is an international order in which it is essentially agreed that states have certain rights, but that provides them with
    no legitimacy, Israel or anyone else.

    <http://falsedichotomies.com/2006/10/17/the-legitimacy-o f-israel-noam-chomsky>

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    By kevin99999, October 23, 2006 at 9:30 am #
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    Whether a country is a democracy is meaningless when it comes to evaluating its conduct vis-a-vis other people. The notion that Israeli should not be critized for its demonic behavior against palestinians and others in the region because it is more democratic is a ludicrous argument. What this simply means that Israel electrorate prefer to elect those people who commit holocaust against others. In fact, it speak highly of the concept of democracy.

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    By Mad As Hell, October 1, 2006 at 4:45 am #
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    I’m confused...Who is the biggest NUT: Hondo, Spinoza, or Dennis the Menace?

    Hondo tars all liberals the same, without recognizing the VAST differences between Spinoza and, say, me.  He defends Israel blindly, and assumes the usual Rove Talking Points Dogma of “liberals are soft on terror” “liberals hate America and Christians” and now, Rove’s BRILLIANT diversion “Islamofascism”.

    I support Israel’s right to exist, and her right to defend herself and that she is more democratic than ANY of her neighbors. But the incursion into Lebanon was SO badly conceived and executed that it probably was planned by the neocons in Mad King George’s White House.  I’m just not used to seeing Israel screw up a military operation so badly that they MUST have had Rumsfeld’s and Cheney’s help!

    I don’t know where Hondo has been, but the latest slide toward fascism in the US was the abandonment after almost 800 years of Habeas Corpus.  Mad King George can now point his finger at ANYONE, including me and Hondo and say “you are an enemy combatant!” He’s not required to present proof, he’s not required to be subjected to review--there is NO mechanism to prevent him from seizing me, Spinoza or Hondo and keeping us, without charges, locked up forever. There’s no mechanism to prevent our being tortured, even to death.  It’s just not there in the legislation.  Hondo’s statement about what rights we’ve lost is spurious.  We’ve lost them--but like AIDS, the disease has not yet spread to the general population. But it will because there is nothing to stop it.

    This is fascism.  “Islamofascism” is a Roveian word to try to dispel the use of Fascism to describe the administration--Accuse your enemies of what you are doing.  Sure, one can loosely describe the jihadist madmen as “fascists” but that’s a very LIBERAL use of the term.  They are interested in despotism and tyranny, as are fascists, but they hold up their church rather than The State as the focus of loyalty and devotion.  The “Islamofascists” are more extreme than their brethren, the “Christofascists” in that they are more willing to use personal violence to achieve their ends, and it is more widespread.  Most Christofascists are not quite ready for bombing family planning clinics and murdering doctors--but they are sympathetic to those who exercise those tactics.

    Spinoza, on the other hand, is a Marxist.  Very few liberals are Marxists, because most liberals are realists and recognize Marxism has not only failed in the world, but that failure is inevitable in Marxism.  Liberals instead believe in using government to prevent the excesses of capitalism--and it has worked BRILLIANTLY in Europe and Japan.  It has been totally undermined here for the last 25 years since Ronald Reagan came in and replaced it with Corporate Welfarism (Remember when he GAVE all our airport gates to the airlines, just GAVE them to them--a huge windfall?)

    Only the Marxists among Liberals maintain the anti-semitic anti-Israel theme--they got that from Stalin, who corrupted fundamental Marxism to make himself a Tsar and released his own personal anti-semitism.  So Spinoza keeps this up.  He paints the Palestinians as these noble victims. Bullshit!  They have had NUMEROUS occasions to improve their position, and put themselves where they could later improve it.  Even Tom Clancy laid out a tactic they COULD have used had they REALLY wanted justice--non-violent civil disobedience.

    Nobody seems to recognize that the Palestinians are DETESTED by their fellow Arabs and Moslems.  Maybe that’s why immigration to Arab nations didn’t happen.  People unhappy with their situation have LONG come to America and forged new lives--but somehow they cannot do that.  I remember being in Istanbul and the reaction Turks had to Palestinians, based on unprovoked obnoxious behaviors--by well-to-do, well-dressed young men with expensive watches and cell phones. 

    Ending Israel will not end Mid-East troubles--because they are much deeper than that--Israel is merely an excuse and a scapegoat--but hasn’t that been the Jews’ burden forever?  During the Middle Ages Jews were blamed for the Plague and murdered. Why? Jewish rituals for cleanliness of person and food helped prevent spreading the disease.  If you are clean and don’t have fleas, you don’t get plague.  Christians, who only bathed twice in their lives, if ever, back then, were filty and ripe hosts for fleas laden with the bubonic plague microbes.  But rather than looking for logical explanations, they simply did what they always did:
    Blame the Jews.

    Funny thing, murdering the Jews didn’t work. It didn’t end the Plague.  We NOW know why--but similar “reasoning” to the medieval bastards is now at work in the Middle East--and Spinoza is spewing that filth.

    Spinoza and his ilk are only perpetrating a modern, sophisticated version of the age-old scapegoat--Blame the Jews.

    And Kucinich? He may be bright but he’s NEVER had too tight a grip on reality, ever since he was the incompetent mayor of Cleveland.

    So who is the bigger nut? Hondo lip-synching the lies of Mad King George, Spinoza lip-synching the lies of the Palestinians and Marxists, or Kucinich, in his alternate reality?

    I certainly don’t know!

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    By james ginn, October 1, 2006 at 1:50 am #
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    The greatest threat to world peace are a gang of muslim terrorists...supported by oil rich Islamic states...who are determined to vent their inbred hatred on the state of Israel.
    Strange how some people call Israel undemocratic when they are surrounded by Islamic states that deny the democratic rights of 50% of their populations. No Israel is not stupid enough to give the democratic vote to the Trojan horse arab population.
    And by the way the Palestinians were offered 50% of the area...which now makes up the Israeli state...almost 60 years ago but refused.

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    By zorrosf, September 30, 2006 at 11:53 am #
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    I used to think Israel was a cool place and thought of them as political allies; that is until I went to college and studied political science.

    They are probably one of the worst examples of democracy worldwide. They also are nothing more than a colony. Without free cash/weapons/assets donated from americans and europeans, they wouldn’t have much of an economy. No country in the world receives as much aid as they do, and they squander it on pocketing the money or spending it to supposedly protect them because they refuse to sit at a negotiating table.

    The greatest threat to world peace is the US and British support for Israel without first having a vote by the people.

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    By Steven, September 28, 2006 at 8:00 am #
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    Don,

    “Israeli apartheid (such as it is) is justified by the need to mitigate the effect of a small subset of Palestinians committing acts of mass murder.  I don’t recall the Zulu etc. sending suicide bombers into South African towns.  SA racism was clear—Israeli racism is a myth.”

    Israeli racism is at the foundation of the entire state.  Israel has no constition, is clearly defined as a state of the Jewish people, and laws allow special privelages to anyone Jewish from anywhere in the world over resident Arabs.  Israel on their own govenment website http://www.knesset.gov.il clearly defines who cannot run for office or form political parties.  If you wanted to start a party that promotes a secular, equal rights for all citizens you would not be able to hold office.  There are many restrictions placed on non-Jews that they become 2nd class citizens.  They must live in certain areas and are not even allowed in some communites (mostly the settlements).  It has been this way since Israel began.  As for resistence in the Zulu nation, please do some more research before you state such ignorance.  Isreal is doing a good job of making the Palestineans as 3rd world poor as the Zulu’s.  This, my friend, is not a democracy but more likely defined as a fascist state of Jews.

    Of course, we support a lot of countries that are not democracies.  However, the public perception of Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia are not fed to us as something they are not, we know they are totalitarian states.  I simply ask the questions why do we have to give a false perception of Israel as a democracy, when it clearly is not one.  What are our true motives for supporting Israel?  Do the benefits outweigh the negatives?  That’s all my thesis presents, what benefits as Americans do we receive from this relationship?

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    By Don, September 27, 2006 at 8:04 am #
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    Pasquantonio:

    “All the assets of the country are owned by the state and dispersed by the state.”

    My employer owns its assets over there—offices, factories—and my Israeli co-workers own their own homes.  So, I don’t understand your comment.

    “So this common notion of Isreal as the only democratic nation in the Mideast is false.”

    Either you mean it is not a democracy, or that there are others.  I would say Turkey is a democracy, but I meant to compare Israel to the Arab/Persian nations.  None of those are functional democracies and there is no doubt that Israel is.  Your dissertation in Israeli economics doesn’t dispute this.

    Israeli apartheid (such as it is) is justified by the need to mitigate the effect of a small subset of Palestinians committing acts of mass murder.  I don’t recall the Zulu etc. sending suicide bombers into South African towns.  SA racism was clear—Israeli racism is a myth.

    “Now this begs the question, why do we support Isreal ... “

    You did not answer your own question.  So why do we?  If, say, Jordan or Egypt were truly functioning democracies, would we support them?  Wait, we already do.  Hmm.  Could it be ...  Could it be we only support nations who are not openly misleading their people into committing or supporting terrorist acts of mass murder?  Hmm.

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    By noureddine, September 25, 2006 at 6:20 pm #
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    As a news junkie, the picture I have of Isreal is the one given by Steven Pasquantonio. It is not a democracy. Read about discrimination in this Jewish state and u will see more truth. Also, it is powerful militarily because we give the means to be so.

    What kills me is that, just like in an analphabetic society, people (some christian denominations) in the US still believe that GOD (whatver that might be) has chosen Palestine as the land of Israel. I mean these people will have that land. Whatever happens. Even if we were to become extint, Israel and the Israelis will be there. What a stubborn God!

    You know at some levels it seems that Dictators in Arab land use religion just like Israel does, just like some do here as well. It’s time we Started thinking about issues not rehashing what some imam, rabbi, pastor...said. The main thing should be Justice for All, worlwide!

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    By Steven Pasquantonio, September 25, 2006 at 6:34 am #
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    I am an older graduate student (meaning I’m actually old enough to have seen most of the world) doing my thesis on Isreali-US relationships.  After a few years research, let me put to rest some false assumptions about Israel.  First, it is not a democracy, it is more of a theocratic communist state.  Why?  Only Jewish people are allowed to become citizens and participate in the government, there is no oppostion religious party.  All the assets of the country are owned by the state and dispersed by the state.  Yes, they hold elections and portray an image of democracy but Isreal is more align with Iran, than the US in political philosophy.  So this common notion of Isreal as the only democratic nation in the Mideast is false. 
    Secondly, throughout the 1930’s and 1940’s Jewish nationals of Palestine used terrorist acts against the British to force the British out of Palestine.  Thirdly, the Israeli government has formed the Gaza Strip and the West Bank into townships much like South Africa under apartheid.  Palestinians cannot move freely even between towns within the West Bank or Gaza Strip without papers and without passing through check points.
    Now this begs the question, why do we support Isreal under such false pretenses?  The best place to start any research on this topic would be the War of 1967.  It is well documented that Isreal would have lost this war without a last minute air drop from the United States, who according to presidential records LBJ was reluctant to do so.  All the common reasons heard in the news and in the public forum are false as stated before in the blog.

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    By Hondo, September 24, 2006 at 4:07 pm #
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    Well, yeranalyst, very interesting. So you’re an anarchist. My dictionary defines that as “a person who seeks to overturn by violence all constituted forms and institutions of society and government, with no purpose of establishing any other system of order in the place of that destroyed.” That makes you just about the lowest form of life on this planet. It also means that you aren’t worth my time. Good luck to you and yours.

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    By Don, September 24, 2006 at 1:48 pm #
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    Hey, yeranalyst.  I know you’re talking to Hondo and not me.  But it’s funny.  Except for mention of a Son, your description of a mad apocalyptic religion applies more to modern Islam than to modern Christianity; but it does apply to both, and they will both be responsible for the horrific war that will result if they don’t get a hold of themselves.

    Anyway, it’s been fun but ... an “Anarchist”, huh.  In your early twenties, I presume.  Have fun with it. smile Eventually you’ll learn this world’s real problems needs real solutions.  Well, I hope you will.  Kucinich is old enough and apparently has no clue on this important point, so I guess catching a clue is not inevitable.

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    By yeranalyst, September 24, 2006 at 3:16 am #
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    Liberals “absolutely celebrate the murder of unborn babies”. Yes Liberals are out celebrating right now in the streets, they are dancing and carousing relating stories to each other about the joys of murdering babies. Not only are they celebrating they are absolutely celebrating. No half stepping or taking breaks to catch their breath just full tilt devil may care exuberance.  After the Liberals kill those babies and celebrate, the Jews roast them at the fiery altar of Moloch and eat them. Who do you think your audience is here the card carrying cretins of Christendom.
    I have a problem with the Liberal label, since I am an anarchist. Anarchists are about as far from being Liberal as you are from Christ. I view Liberals as kinder, gentler Conservatives. Unlike Conservatives they can still shit without blowing their o-ring.
    The nifty list you made up of civil liberties we enjoy in this country are the items that you are working so diligently to erode and destroy. Let me remind you… incarceration without due process, Invasion of privacy, wiretapping everyone, torture, RFID national identity cards so the state knows where everyone is at all times.
    “Liberalism is a philosophy of death and hypocrisy” I don’t recall reading any ontological or metaphysical journals or tomes on the Liberal philosophy of death and hypocrisy. Help me out here with some authors.
    I do know that a bunch of self indulgent and self righteous cultists are running around spreading rumors of everlasting life after death capitalizing on peoples fear of mortality. To get there you have suspend all rationality and disbelief, read a book written by madmen over and over again. As soon as you are able to spew it back verbatim and impressively cite book ,chapter and verse by number you get to set out and brainwash others to do the same. You see without a substantial number of other equally brainwashed cultists to constantly affirm your beliefs, doubt creeps in and you will start to become conscious of how utterly insane you really are. The kicker to this cults beliefs though is that the sole purpose of existence on this planet is to ingratiate yourself with an invisible man who never speaks or shows himself. He looks like us because they say we are his spittin image. He’s probably white because most of paintings of his son depict him as a white man. No mention is made of a daughter or wife. People say they communicate with with the invisible man using ESP. Usually this occurs when they pray to him hoping to absolve themselves of something they did they are ashamed of and are afraid they won’t get their entrance ticket on the long ride after they die. They say that this invisible man loves you but if you don’t acknowledge him in a specific way he will send you to a place to burn forever. You got it he keeps you alive so you burn forever.
    These cultists actually hope for a world conflagration that destroys almost everything except for them. They it seems will be watching this holocaust lounging nude on some clouds like spectators in the coliseum of Rome as they slowly ascend to heaven. This allows them to reap the benefits of everlasting life, you see, without ever dying. Heaven is described as a golden city that floats around somewhere. No sightings have been made in recent times.  The madmen who wrote the book for the invisible man have reported it however. This floating city sounds suspiciously like an autocratic form of communism. People in the know say its more like an attended living retirement community. I guess they spoil you rotten if you are one of the lucky few.
    What is really amazing is that these cultists have ten commandments from the invisible man one of them being Thou shalt not kill. They do it all the time they even encourage it on a massive scale and they say they do it at the behest of the invisible man. I think they could probably serve their invisible man with more efficiency if they would read Liberalism the Philosophy of Death and Hypocrisy. I’m pretty sure that if these people weren’t so sexually repressed they would be necrophiles. They really are obsessed with death.

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    By Don, September 23, 2006 at 11:15 pm #
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    I would agree with yeranalyst that the Islamicist terrorist networks are not fascist.  His or her explanation of fascism does apply well however to Iran, Syria and pre-invasion Iraq.  Hondo is also correct, in that describing the U.S.A. as heading towards fascism is wrong and alarmist.  We have always to be on the lookout for it, but so far the threats I’ve seen have come equally from both parties.  The greatest threats to liberty in this country come from the federal government when it believes it must increase its power.

    Who is our most beloved historical president?  Many would name A. Lincoln, who “saved the Union” and “freed the slaves”.  Yet emancipation was a serious about-face from the policies under which he was elected, and in pursuit of an unpopular war his administration violated the rights of Americans to a degree we today can barely imagine.  Clearly it’s too soon to judge Bush’s actions in a historical context.  When that judgment comes much of it will be harsh.  But he will be remembered for a more rational response to the rising tide of global religious nutjobbery than setting upa Dept of Peace and holding hands singing in a circle ...

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    By Hondo, September 23, 2006 at 4:16 pm #
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    Wow! Yeranalyst might have just set the world record for most liberal lies in one posting on an internet blog. I would say congratulations, but unfortunately it’s nothing to be proud of. Let’s set the record straight with some straightforward conservative facts, shall we?
    First, yeranalyst says that my concern for the fetus is just an excuse to express my psychopathic hatred, and that I should be more concerned for the lives of Islamofascist terrorists who want to murder Americans and Jews. That’s an amazing statement, but not entirely surprising. Liberalism, you see, is a philosophy of death and hypocracy. Liberals absolutely celebrate the murder of millions of innocent unborn babies, but they won’t stand for one single hair on the head of a murderous Islamofascist to be harmed. No wonder Democrats can’t win a presidential election.
    Second, the mentally challenged yeranalyst says that the word Islamofascist is incorrect. Let’s see if the man is correct. All of the terrorists have been Islamic, so the first part of the term is accurate. The term “fascism” means “a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.” If you are so deaf, dumb and blind that you can’t see how that describes the terrorist networks to a tee, I can’t help you.
    Third, yeranalyst says that America is becoming a fascist state due to Christian conservatives like myself. Let’s work through a very simple “virtual” Q & A, shall we? Has yeranalyst ever been threatened with government action because of his cockamamie beliefs? No, he hasn’t. Does the government do anything at all to limit the expression of those idiotic ideas on truthdig.com, or any of the other wing-nut web sites? No, it hasn’t. Would a fascist state allow radical left-wing morons like Chavez and Ahmadinejad to come onto our soil and criticize our president? No, it wouldn’t. Would pampered, ungrateful morons like yeranalyst be allowed to criticize the government so strongly in Iran, or old Iraq, or Cuba, or old Afghanistan? No, he wouldn’t. If yeranalyst ridicules Christianity in this country, what penalty will he suffer? None. If yeranalyst ridicules Islam in an Islamic country, what penalty will he suffer? Torture and possibly death. Do you get the picture genius? The comments from yeranalyst are proof positive of my basic belief about liberals. Liberalism is a cancer that renders the victim unable to differentiate between right and wrong, fact and fiction, good and evil, or reality and delusion. Good luck to you and yours on whatever planet you inhabit, yeranalyst!

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    By yeranalyst, September 23, 2006 at 12:20 am #
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    Hondo, make that seven people at least that take Dennis Kucinich seriously. Your facetiousness fools nobody. Your hatred and seething violence are transparent for all to see. You are a classic Bushite kool-aid drinker. I personally don’t even like addressing your ilk anymore. You are a drain on the life of this planet. Your concern for the fetus is belied by your talk of elimination of untold numbers of people that you neatly quantify as Islamofascists a term that never existed until the Rovian psyops for simpletons team conjured it up to satiate your racist xenophobia. Your concern for the fetus is just another excuse for you to express your psychopathic hatred. You have already proven that you are bereft of concern for life.
    Islamo fascism is a term that doesn’t make any sense whatsoever fascism is a political ideology of an advanced industrial state that marries corporatism or oligarchy to a strong unitary executive “dictator” Its success is dependent on totalitarian suppression of dissent. It appeals to nationalism. It requires control and monopolization of the media and strict control of information"propaganda". It creates mythologies and promotes racialism. It coops usually the dominant religion and makes it a partner in the control and suppression of the people. It promotes militarism and encourages shows of military regalism such as military holidays, military parades, military regalia and uniforms and hero worship. It idealizes war and warriors and always requires and external opponent or threat real or made up. Equally important is internal threats such as dissenters, gays, ethnic groups, people of color or people of a minority religion or language. It is always anti labor, anti democratic, anti communist, and anti anarchist. Fascism supresses civil liberties such as freedom of expression ,assembly, and ideas. Jurisprudence does not exist under fascism there is no due process or jury of peers the state is the law and judge and final arbiter of punishment. Fascism is a highly stratified system and employs a large stratified and strict bureaucracy to implement the affairs of state. The individual is suborned to the state. social morality is imbued with sexual repression, diminishment of women, and a high degree of moralism.
    Fundamentalists of Islam may exhibit many of these traits and be repressive and reactionary but they are no where being fascist. The United States however is fast moving toward fascism with the considerable help of people such as yourself. This is certainly a trend that should be resisted by anyone who holds the ideals of this country dear. If you look carefully at the list of fascist traits above you will see that the history of this country has been over a two hundred year struggle against those traits. That struggle is what has up until the last few years been what is good about America and has defined us to the rest of the world. You don’t have to declare yourself a Nazi Hondo your thoughts and your words define you as one quite clearly.

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    By Hondo, September 22, 2006 at 6:04 pm #
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    I am amazed at the simple-mindedness of liberals. The Islamofacists have declared war against us, and they did it long before Pres. Bush took office. look at all of the terrorist attacks against American targets, at home and abroad, that took place during the Clinton administration. If the moronic liberal theory was correct--that all we have to do to achieve peace is to lay down our weapons---then we wouldn’t have had those attacks during the 90’s. Liberalism, as always, is dead wrong about how to fight the war on terror and achieve peace. The key is to destroy Islamofacism. If we elect liberal mental midgets like Kucinich, we will be sidetracked from that important objective while we study the effect of mood rings and lava lamps on gerbils.

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    By Don, September 22, 2006 at 12:14 pm #
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    The Israeli massacre of Lebanese Christians had nothing to do with Bush:  Reagan was president at the time, if I recall, and was very unhappy about it, just as he was unhappy when the Israelis bombed Saddam’s nuclear weapons facility.  The idea that the Israelis act on behest of the Americans is often disproved.

    Some support Israel for wack religious reasons.  I support her because she is a democracy with very vibrant free speech and political dissent.  Checks and balances are therefore in place.  This is not true for any of her adversaries.  Also, she defends herself very aggressively for reasons that centuries of history easily explain.

    Maybe the recent Lebanese incursion was wrong.  I really don’t know.  But today Nasrallah is boasting Hezbollah has 20,000 missiles and the people are cheering his war-mongering.  If you ever visit Israel, maybe you will get a sense of the knife edge they live on.

    Kudos to Kucinich for visiting the war zone.  But:  “If enough people practice the art of reconciliation ...”

    This is the core of pacifism:  A hope that “enough” people will stand fast for peace and the magic will spread.  It’s a pretty sentiment but if you care to listen to Ahmadenijad’s speeches and those of his spiritual advisors, watch tham yank us all around on a chain wrt their nuke program, and consider the geopolitical interests not just of the US and Europe but China and all others as well, and hopefully soak up a bit of history while you’re at it, you must eventually note the vast chess game underway and consider that those who refuse to play will be the first to lose.

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    By parent for peace, September 22, 2006 at 10:34 am #
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    If enough people practice the art of reconciliation, perhaps the swell or our intentions will carry the ideals of a peaceful world--so well & truly articulated by Denis Kucinich--to realization.

    Although a government may, in these times, be very much out of alignment with the will of a majority of the people--it is truly up to the people to yank the chain of the vicious dog. It is up to congress to restrain the excessive force and irrational impulses of the executive branch.

    And it is time for the american people to extend our hands, minds and hearts to other people who share this planet so that earth might endure.

    A leader steps forward, uncertain of outcome. A leader is unafraid to walk through rubble in a war zone, yet prefers to work for a world in which war has become obsolete. Whether in Congress or elsewhere, Denis Kucinich remains a sane voice of leadership.

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    By noureddine, September 22, 2006 at 10:20 am #
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    To those Right Wingers, who want the US to stand with Israel:

    Have u ever asked yourself why this country supports blindly Israel?

    Because, the Bible, a document full of contradictions and wrong statements, lead people, with blind and ignorant faith to believe that God (whatever that might be) wants that land for Israel. How stupid is that? If you have a high school diploma and still believe such jokes, better not think at all because u have turend your brain into a stupid organ.

    About Bush, remember he let the Isreali Army massacre the Lebanese including Christians! Why?
    May be you should now, shake your head and think. Unless you are dead set to be the force of constant evil on this Earth.

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    By markie, September 22, 2006 at 10:12 am #
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    To Don: That Hezbollah provoked Israel by capturing (not “kidnapping” as the Israel-can-do-no-wrong media reported, since it happened in the Gaza strip which Israel itself refers to as a war zone) a soldier, OK.  But that you can call Israel’s totally beserk, over the top (as usual, 10,000 eyes for 1) reaction in PULVERIZING the Gaza Strip AND the innocent state of Lebanon “self-defense”?  Where on EARTH you feel compelled to claim that Israel acted with restraint is just mind-boggling.
    It has been well documented by neutral parties like Sweden that, since Israel withdrew from south Lebanon, ISRAEL has been most guilty of illegally crossing the border and even killing civilians, and that Hezbollah has usually acted in retaliation. 
    I mean, for the love of God, Don, Rabbi Michael Lerner publicly denounced Israel for “crossing a moral line” in its bombing of civilians and civilian infrastructure.

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    By Don, September 21, 2006 at 4:21 pm #
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    Funny to see “liberals” calling “conservatives” dimwits.  The tone of this article was set when the journalists referenced a war between Israel and Lebanon.  Once again an agenda-driven media twisted the truth.  Israel acted in self-defense against the Iran-backed militia Hezbollah, whose positions include the destruction of Israel.  As the Israelis have said over and over, there is no reason for there ever to be a war between Israel and Lebanon.  But in attempting to prevent Hezbollah achieve its aims, the Israelis were (for once) not aggressive enough, and now suffer the negative PR of being perceived as having “lost”.  Which is fine, a few lives may have been saved despite Hezbollahs’ best efforts to create a field of martyrs.  But if I were a southern Lebanese refugee, I wouldn’t be going home again until Hezbollah was truly defanged.

    Anyway, on point, Kucinich is a nut, albeit an intelligent and sometimes eloquent nut.  He and others accuse Bush & Co of a simplistic outlook.  In truth Bush conveys simple messages, because the electorate is famously unable to digest complex messages; and Bush is an embarrassingly ineloquent person.  But this does not mean his general position (ignoring some odious details) with regards to the dangers of rising Islamicism is wrong.  And they are true dangers; far worse, over the next generation or so, than most of us can even imagine.

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    By Margaret Currey, September 21, 2006 at 2:18 pm #
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    greenmonkey you said everything that I believe in.

    Marge from Vancouver, Washington.

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    By greenmonkey, September 21, 2006 at 3:21 am #
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    Hondo,

    You actually believe that striving for peace, even against the ridiculously coined “Islamofascists”, is wrong or that somehow if we show a softer side, a side that say is willing to share the worlds wealth, and start treating all humans equal, no matter where they live, that this will not work.  Because THEY - all the men, women and probably the children too. All those middle eastern families all wait for that day when our backs are turned so they can stop living peacefully and start attacking.  That they don’t appreciate family, friends, like we do, and that they welcome the stress and horror of war?
    And furthermore you think that by bombing the shit out of middle eastern countries, and all those families, that this will somehow bring a lasting peace???  If half of your family has just been shredded by a daisy cutter bomb, you’re not going to commit yourself to get the people who did it?  That works for peace in what way???

    Its true that with all the damage this President has done, even if Bush was impeached tomorrow, and a well deserved appology was made to the relatives of the over 100,000 dead Iraqis, it will take generations to repair the wounds and trust.  But it has to happen eventually.

    What is the alternative?  Perpetual war with nation after nation?  And this is going to stop small groups of terrorists hiding all over the world how???  It IS going to make a few old boys running things - and who are also in the oil and arms companies - very wealthy.

    When will enough of you Dumya Dimwitts pull your heads out of your conservative assholes and look at where your Draft Dodging Dicktator and his Chicken Hawk boy king is leading you, and help us and the rest of the sane thinking folks throw these criminals out.

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    By Spinoza, September 20, 2006 at 2:16 am #
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    It is good to have atractive woman.  It is more important to have intelligent empathetic woman.

    Visit
    http://www.worldcantwait.org
    and organize to take back this country

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    By Phil, September 19, 2006 at 4:06 pm #
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    Dennis got married to an attractive woman...now what will Limbaugh do to attack him now? His not having a
    wife was an important issue to attack him....Limbaugh being such a big family values guy....ask any of his
    three childless wives.

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    By Great Mother, September 18, 2006 at 6:31 am #
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    I am so pleased to see Dennis Kucinich make this trip of peace to the mideast.  He stood out among the Democrats with his Res. of CeaseFire.  I wrote my Dem. Senator twice asking him to support that Resolution.  Senator Dayton wrote me back twice, you would have thought Bush wrote the letter, obviously he declined to support the CeaseFire.  I am greatly disappointed in Dayton as I voted for him.  I do remember this however, I voted for Kucinich in the President primary.

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    By nikto, September 17, 2006 at 5:12 pm #
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    This is an irrelevant comment, but, like, Ms. Liz Kucinich is hot.

    Kudos for you, Dennis!!

    (And both of you--Keep fighting the good fight!)

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    By stonehinge, September 17, 2006 at 1:42 am #
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    Hondo’s comments—like so many others from the Right—the “Unbearable Shrillness of Bleating.” When will these fools wakeup to their moral bankruptcy and the depth of their intellectual decrepitude?  It is a shame that the Right has so little to offer in these difficult times.

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    By william, September 16, 2006 at 4:12 pm #
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    Over and over for the past two or three years i have constantly questioned my sanity. Am i a terrorist sympathiser because i want peace? Is humanity basically evil? Is the future of my children in jeopordy because of “islamofascism”? But time and time again i see and hear about events and learn about history that confirms otherwise. I will concede that there are individuals in the world who are evil...but those people more often than not already hold power and wont let it go unless it is wrested from their clutch by people who want peace for all. And so it becomes more clear that those who hold power in the US, the country i love have no more right to their hold on power and we the governed must remind them once more as occurs from time to time that there is no government, especially a government that wages war for profit and ideology without our consent.

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    By RH, September 16, 2006 at 6:41 am #
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    Dennis Kucinich is the only politician with presidential aspirations - that I know of who is intelligent enough to fill the bill and lead us out of the madness and into a state of sanity and peace.

    Success in the future depends upon those who would be our leaders:

    1) being honest people who abhor deception;
    2) see their role as being servants of the people, not rulers;
    3) demonstrating sincere respect for everyone regardless of
    differences;
    4) justly sharing the resources of the world so that everyone’s basic
    needs are met;

    Those four things will end war, terrorism & poverty forever.

    A Kucinich regime would help make the nation and the world a much better place for everyone.

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    By Hondo, September 15, 2006 at 7:02 pm #
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    Spinoza is typical of the modern day liberal. He is completely unable to tell the difference between right and wrong, good and evil, fact and fiction, reality and delusion, or wisdom and foolishness. Let’s break down his foolish comments one by one.
    1. He says I am Nazi sympathizer. Where does that come from. I am not a Nazi sympathizer, of course, and have never professed to be one. I am a Christian conservative. Because of my core values, I have always supported Israel in all of their battles against Islamofacism. Let’s see if I understand your reasoning--I supported the Jews against the terrorists, liberals did not support the Jews against the terrorists, and I’m supposed to be the Nazi??? What color is the sky on your planet, Donovan?
    2. I hate peacemakers? That’s another liberal lie. As a conservative, I know that there will never be peace until Islamofacism is eliminated from the face of the earth. Contrary to popular opinion, Dennis Kucinich is not a peacemaker. He’s just another liberal simpleton that believes that if we lay our weapons down, the murderous Islamofacists will suddenly love us and quit fighting. That’s stupid!
    3. At this point in your diatribe you began to rant about Christians and NYPD medallions and antennas and get-rich-quick schemes, and I kind of lost track of what you were talking about. I guess you were trying to say that Dennis Kucinich is a swell guy. I say that Kucinich, and his fellow secular progressives, will get us killed if they ever get elected to an important office.

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    By Spinoza, September 15, 2006 at 1:39 pm #
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    Hondo what makes you a Nazi sympathizer?  I mean this is the second post I have seen of yours and you always express your hatred of peace makers.  This was the ideology of the Nazi Party in Germany.  I am just trying to figure out why people like you hold the beliefs that you do.  Why is it that certain people, usually people with a mainstream religious background hate other people? and love their nation? Today I saw a car parked in front of me bristling with antennas and a license plate logo: America, love it or leave it.  When the man came out he wore an NYPD medallion.  Why are their so many fascistic people in the USA?  And why this love of the military and guns.  If you pick up a copy of Popular Mechanics every issue seems to be about new hardware for killing.  Of course these fascists love something called capitalism and the ideology of might makes right.  These people, when I have talked to them, all think they are going to become millionaires and they all seem to have some get rich quick scam that they are working on.

    Why is classic fascism so popular in the USA.  Then again look who is President.

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    By Hondo, September 14, 2006 at 4:37 pm #
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    It was very enlightening to me to read comments from the 6 people in the world who actually take Dennis Kucinich seriously. I mean, really! This is a guy who says he is a vegan because he “respects the sacredness of all species.” Well, all species except unwanted, unborn babies. He wants them to be murdered. This is the guy who says that our government must make more of an attempt to “connect” with animals. As such, he has proposed to Congress that an Advocate for Animal Rights be included as part of a cabinet-level Dept. of Peace. This executive department, funded with billions of tax dollars, would seek to “instill a peaceful paradigm into the hearts of all the people of the world.” I actually saw that attempted one time in a Coke commercial (I’d like to buy the world a Coke and keep it company...). Good grief, how can any of you view Dennis Kucinich as anything other than a punchline to a very bad joke?

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    By chico marksman, September 13, 2006 at 8:16 am #
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    Only if this man was president would the world consider forgiving us.

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    By bob kealy, September 13, 2006 at 6:39 am #
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    The one factor that potentially unites all human beings is their reason and judgment. With that factor listened to and developed indvidual, faction, and nation-state violence with its imaginary, confused and fragmentary view of the world can be replaced by an objective view of problems and concerns. I salute Elizabeth and Dennis! They are on that wave length.

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    By mxh, September 13, 2006 at 5:28 am #
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    see http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ and in particular the listing of islamic terror attacks during the last 5 months and see if the “we are all just people” makes much sense.

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    By William H. Bassett, September 13, 2006 at 2:27 am #
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    Until the U.S. is seen by the Arab/Islamic street as a people and as a nation devoted to justice and the rule of law there will be no hope of tranquillity in the middle east - or the rest of the world for that matter.  As the Jews cannot be expected to forgive the Nazi destruction of their lives, liberties and persuit of happiness, the Palestinians cannot be expected to acquiess in the dispossession they suffer at the hands of Israel.  Unless Muslims and Jews both miraculously suffer Zen enlightenment, discovering that the ego (individual entity)is an illusion and that attachment to home and homeland is the cause of suffering and that it can be relinquished.

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    By Spinoza, September 12, 2006 at 10:21 pm #
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    I wrote this earlier and it is germane.

    Terrorism is nothing one can war against. It is a tactic.  It is an idiot concept developed by an idiot junta who we have for our current ruling clique.  There are pissed off people in the world for various reasons who think god is on their side.  They take matters into their own hands.  Al Queda was one of these groups amongst many.  They had grievances against the USA or so they thought.

    Their grievances were “political”. They thought and still think the USA is acting against the interests of Muslims who they claim it is their job to defend.  They hate Israel (with good reason) and think Jews are their enemy.  They hated the USA presence in Saudi Arabia and basically they would prefer a world in which Muslim presence/rights would be honored.  They think the USA is controlled by Jews and therefore the USA is their enemy.

    Now our idiot president has accepted the view of the far right Likudniks in the government that we are fighting a war of civilizations and we are the superior civilization and the Muslims are inferior and need to be dealt with, destroyed.  When al Queda started out it was a small group of Islamists and did not grow very much until they attacked the symbols of American power and the fascistic Bush regime responded with overwhelming violence egged on by the neoCon/Likudniks. and their Christian Right allies.  The neoCons wanted to come to the aid of Israel in its civilizational fight against the Muslims and there first area of attack was Iraq.  These immoral imbeciles started a war that lead to the exponential growth of al Queda and a host of Islamist movements.

    There is no such a thing as a war on terrorism.  But now Bush has decided to start a war on all of the Muslim people which his fascist supporters call world war three.  It is sick; it has the potential to end life on this planet as they are talking about the use of nuclear weapons.  Bush and his allies have to be stopped.

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    By Spinoza, September 12, 2006 at 10:18 pm #
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    I love the Kucinichs. They are wonderful people.  I hope they are heard far and wide.

    People PLEASE PLEASE, get out in the streets. Go to the
    worldcantwait.org web site. We need millions of people to drive out the Bushites.

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