>Comment #12267 by Mike on 6/22 at 5:58 pm
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>The Kool Aid consumer at #12247 is the poster
>boy for...gasp...THE LEFT Keep drinkin’ that
>strawberry colored wa-wa,Freddo!
>

Hey Mikey ... ya’ ever hear the rhetorical device dat spells like dis --> s-a-r-c-a-s-m ... i spose not ... happy hunting sweetie

I think she is the Republicans dream candidate.  I don’t think she has a chance.  Any free trader or Iraq War supported is doomed. 

I think most of the disatisfaction the public feels is that they have been sold out by leaders in both parties.  I think Feingold has been the boldest.  Reading the Constitution was admirable even in a lost cause.  He stuck to his guns and is willing to fight the good fight.  I think that is the best the United States can hope for in an executive.

I’m sure he will cover alternatives to the spying on U.S. citizens and the purchasing of power on K - street. 

Maybe we will hear “We have nothing to fear except fear itself”, I think there is more truth in that then anything coming from the Republican party or the Dems that seem to have interrests similar to the Corporate pandering Republicans.

It Could Be Happening

There seems to be a light out there at the end of the tunnel, based upon the outcome of Thursday’s Senate vote on two Democratic resolutions, one that called for a troop drawdown from Iraq by year’s end the other for all of our troops out by 7/31/07.  Never mind that both resolutions were defeated, What matters is that the will of us the people is beginning to be expressed among some of the democrats in Congress.  Yes, we’re still way ahead of them but, still, their performane in Thursday’s debate shows that our elected representatives may be out to catch up.  Sure, that’ll take much more than their proposing a deadline for troop withdrawal.  They also need to offer an apology to the Iraqi people for the death and destruction wrought upon them by our illegal and immoral war, commit our government to Iraq’s reconstruction, and call for the impeachment of our president for having lied us into this war.  Then it’ll be more like, “Hey, that flicker of light the other day?  It’s now a permanent glow.”

(dis)regarding july canute’s comments #12133/12170; the marquis de sade said: “the reasonable man who scorns the prejudices of idiots necessarily makes himself the enemy of those simpletons, but that is unimportant and one must simply put up with it”

to pia #12144; let us assume, for the purpose of example, that “july canute” (or lt. batguano, if that really is your name) is female. must you necessarily fall into (goose)step with the vile blather espoused by same simply because it conforms to your dubious sex=affiliation rule? if foolish consistency is your guide, how about, since you’re human, you support humanity? because ann coulter alleges to be female, are you necessarily compelled to support her? i shudder to think some people are turned loose with driver’s licenses, never mind voting registration.

to say hillary clinton is a pandering dissembler is to say hillary clinton. none who ever relied on her for political acumen can now claim disappointment. she is consistent.

...Senor Rick #12285...Moving to Brazil? Promise?
Por favor! Neocon’s & WW III?...We WON WW III when the Soviet Union imploded on its 50-Million
corpses. We’re in WW IV,Ricky,and it was the Radical Islamist Sewage who put is there.Don’t fret...We’ll win it while you’re in Rio.
Hasta la Bye-Bye.

To: #12298 Argentina Already ARRIVED!

You impress me as a much better economist than writer, or you were dog drunk when you submitted the comment one; if so please sober up and resubmit. I have heard this polemic cum rationale more than once. Blends nicely with the Realpolitik, and US Policy in the Middle east. You should try your statement again.

TO:  Sam Snedegar

This is were ("oil “ only) MOST of the American public falls down in the understanding as to why we are in IRAQ. 

As well as this :
“ how much damage there will be to the US economy if we DON’T steal Iraq’s oil.”

INCORRECT

The true reason is ABOVE by just a few levels of World Finance knowledge and LOGIC! 

The “ World Reserve Currency “ USE to be the almighty US Dollar (IN GOD WE TRUST)!  This currency costs OUR FED nothing to print! NOTHING!  All countries MUST carry the dominat world reserve currency to TRADE w/ other countries. 

Saddam stated on 11/2000 and I quote “ No oil will EVER be sold AGAIN in the US DOLLAR CURRENCY only EUROS.  Henceforth, more and more FOREIGN countries have DUMPED the US DOLLAR.  Why?  Another currency has come to FIGHT w/ the us dollar, namely the EURO!  Whoever controls the oil and the currency sale of oil controls the world economy. TRUE!

So we Invaded IRAQ to “control IRAQ and send message that we the USA control the “World Reserve Currency of OIL”.  And infact if YOU check w/ export & import you will find the following items:

After the IRAQ invasion, IRAQ was our 3rd largest importer, second the FIRST BARREL out was CONVERTED from EUROS shipped in US DOLLARS, third, every month the amount shipped out has gone down to less than pre-war levels - VERY LITTLE OIL EXPORTED OUT OF IRAQ, fifth they the insurgents continue to BLOW UP daily - oil wells, NEW pipelines laid by us, NEW transport stations, refineries, everyday this happens it just isn’t reported to YOU! 

The plan was to have the IRAQ OIL pay for the IRAQ WAR.  AGREED.  Well, no oil for YOU, just BILLIONS in Dollars of DEBT adding on to YOUR deficit.  We have been back BEFORE Congress 5 times ( borrowed from every government fund shush don’t tell the dump American public)via the Treasury Secretary to EXPAND the NUMBER. 

Can YOU say BLEED the
USA into B a n k r u p t c y !

I strongly suggest that YOU check to see how many FOREIGN CENTRAL BANKERS have done the following actions:

REDUCED and DUMPED the US DOLLAR RESERVES and Treasuries within their foreign countries HOLDINGS;

INCREASED their Foreign Reserves into the EURO and GOLD

Created “BASKETS” of CURRENCY to Hedge againist the USA DEFAULT.

The amount of FOREIGN Countries that NOW have decided to OPEN a brand “NEW Commodities EXCHANGE” in EURO"S to sell OIL FUTURES CONTRACTS (this is what CONTROLS PRICE)
RUSSIA = RUBIE
IRAN = EURO.

And just recently Russia’s decided to open their NEW exchange.  This is Russia at “CONTROLING” your UNCONTROLABLE ENRON Commander and Chief George Bush”.

Why do YOU think OUR FED closed off all m3 figures?  Maybe because NOBODY wants the USA treasuries and or us dollars?  AND FURTHER TO HID the DUMPING!  And WHO holds our US DEBT?  Duh?

A r g e n t i n a

As for YOUR stated Argentina IT ALREADY started LONG AGO when ENRON BUSH invaded IRAQ!  The decision was made by this INCOMPENTENT administration to USE Militray Might against invasion of the EURO.  DEFUNK Military planning from day one and it still CONTINUES!

Now ENRON BUSH has already placed us within whiskers of DEFAULT just like in the Vietnam venue.  What YOU don’t understand it the demise is already DONE.  It is a matter of NOW controling the POP and deapth of same.  Sadly because he made the WRONG decisions YOU and YOU will pay even MORE. 

If you have any doubt, study charts of GOLD, SILVER, Treasuires, Dollar, foreign world indice markets.  Charts DON"T LIE, but house analysts and your government WILL LIE!  Just like the GREAT EMPLOYMENT numbers, GDP, DEFICIT,etc. 

Geepers maybe YOU can take YOUR PHD and acquire a job as a waitress.  There are plenty of SERVICE INDUSTRY jobs.

Most Americans DON’T UNDERSTAND the stock market let alone control of their own 401k’s. If I had to place a bet, YOU BOUGHT STOCK around 3/10/2000.  This is very evident by your statements, and IGNORANCE relative to the charts.  It takes an experienced XXXXXXXX to read the world markets.

Further, by viewing the CRB YOU will see the BLEED is already deep into the American “MIDDLE CLASS “ or what use to be same.  We just pumped up the level of what USE TO BE the MIDDLE CLASS by another 50K of income.  And yes this was done under ENRON BUSH. 

Just remember one little piece of advice.  HISTORY REPEATS over and over again, just a different rope to HANG YOURSELF ON.  And YOU SIR appear to be willing to be HUNG FINANCIALLY.

ENRON BUSH has NEVER been held accountable for OTHER past personal corporate
B A N K R U P T C I E S !

The BEST thing ENRON BUSH could do is STOP THE FINANCIAL BLEED (ie. LEAVE IRAQ TOMORROW) to the US Government ASAP.

Communication works great verses a GUN or KNIFE to the throat.  Remember Now ENRON BUSH has pissed off Russia too.  What are YOU going to do invade EVERY COUNTRY in the WORLD that sells a OIL FUTURES CONTRACT in EURO’s and Rubie? 

YOUR ENRON BUSH has created a
F I N A N C I A L N i g h t m a r e
for the average US American ( income under 150,000). Notice the Arab nations aren’t coming to USA’s aid to assist with IRAQ.  Note their financial holdings? This has gone FAR BEYOND RED and BLUE. 

Oh yea by the way just add on another 40 percent to your food bill and it might be over.  Take a good picture of YOUR US DOLLAR!  But till then BUSH will BLEED YOU in more ways than YOU even knew!  Enjoy the ride.

PS.  Just so YOU can sleep a little better, OBL died longagoandfaraway.  Our Military has some of the best in the world - RECON!  As with Afghanistan, you probably believe what YOU have been told.  For another day sir.

Talk about liberals drinking kool-aid....
Neo-cons are dragging us all into World War III.
Start another war with your moron president, waste money and lives…
I am moving to Brazil...If I am going to live in a Banana Republic I want it to be one where the people are very attractive! Not a warmongering bunch of fat white people.

So sorry, but you are just wrong Mr. Scheer. The question isn’t about how much the WAR will cost, but how much damage there will be to the US economy if we DON’T steal Iraq’s oil. There is a very good reason that no member of congress mentions oil, probably the same one that prevents you, Mr. Scheer, from talking about it any more since you found out from your publisher that if you continue the policies you pursued when writing for the LA Times, those of telling the truth about oil, that you will publish no more books. This is the same with Ivins, Conason, all of you pimps for the media whores. But it is also true of Conyers, Kennedy, Kerry, and Murtha.

Without stealing oil, we go in the tank and do an Argentina. Yes, that means a lot of the world goes down with us, but it is reality, and no one wants to discuss it, let alone try to find a way out of the fix we are in.

Alas, you don’t find Krugman talking about oil either; nor Franken or any of his stooges like Oliphant or Orenstein, or Alter. Want to know the truth? Try Greg Palast. He’s telling it like the Bob Scheer of old. Once every six months Bob Herbert mentions oil, perhaps out of ignorance, but perhaps because his books don’t sell anyway.

When you have enough money or power you can keep repeating falsehoods long enough to convince the populace that they are true.  That is what our administration is doing by insisting everything they do is correct and everything the opposition says is wrong.  I don’t know enough about Barbara Boxer to join in a movement to nominate her for President but I do respect the lady’s courage.  In an age where most every politician weighs their comments against the political impact she is one of the few who speaks from her belief system.  You can agree or disagree with her but at least you know that the opinion she offers is what she believes and not what she thinks will get her elected.  I used to think that’s what politicians were supposed to do.

As for Hilary----she is going to do and say what she thinks will get her elected.  No central belief system.

And she won’t be elected!  The popular media may continue to list her as the front runner but just the mention of her name brings out such a visceral reaction from the right that there is no way she can win an election.  Even when her opinions are correct, the right shut down whenever they hear her name without giving any thought to the correctness of her position.

The Kool Aid consumer at #12247 is the poster boy
for...gasp...THE LEFT. Golly, Vladimir Ilyich,an
Armed American Left!? Kinda like Kept-Boy Kerry in bird hunting fatigues? Howie Dean...The manly
Kos? Katrina vanden H....? Al"Hairy Chested"Franken...? Mikey Corpulent Moore...?
Uh-huh...Oh, yeahhhh,Baaaaby. Guns & lefties aka Mass Suicide! So...Babs Boxer for Prez...AND…
ARMED LEFTIES. Keep drinkin’ that strawberry colored wa-wa,Freddo!

Felicity, Arnold Schwarzenegger is your Governor because of Hollywood--Period. Apart from that joke, wasn’t Big Sister Hillary a Goldwater girl back in ‘64? Maybe she has as long a memory as I do and she’s come full circle. All I know is that that woman has scared the unholy, mortal shit out of me since day one. It’s instinct. The clear eyed reptilian image, along with the sound and fury of her bellowing “--WE KNOW!” into a microphone would be enough to sober up Charles Bukowski if he were alive...And now? Her former Partisans of the Hard Left are all over her like a cheap suit...and moreover judiciously so. Who could expect less? Surely she has betrayed them, their hopes, and worse their ideals. I once criticised the Left for lacking autonomy of reason. Now I wonder if the basis of such a comment i.e., the prescribed and thus collective conviction that I have long observed in the American Left is as pervasive as I’d thought; or maybe even wanted to think...while I will never swallow the Party Line, suffice it to say that The Chinese have a strange curse: “May you live in interesting times.” And so we are...every Goddamn one of us.

I agree with dumb ass, we DO need to break things and kill people ... and at the very top of the list are the neocons and fascist fundamentalists (christians AND muslims alike). 

And related (tangentially) to that ... what’s all this liberal horse poop about gun control?  Leftists should NEVER disarm!  We NEED our weapons.  Do you want wingers to have all the firepower?  Of course not.  That’s just plain silly.  Besides its our constitutional RIGHT to be armed ... the better to hunt down those mealy mouthed chicken hawk fake tough guy conservative republicans.

Just remember ...  there’s nothing scarier to the wingers than ARMED LEFTSITS.

Hey Santorum, Coulter, Kristol, Robertson, Falwell, Cheney, Bush, Abdullah, Osama, et al ...

We’re coming to get ya.

MM, if California is a solid democratic state, why is Arnold our governor.

http://www.justhillary.com??? *gag*

You’ve got to be kidding me…

We need a candidate that is not democratic or republican.  Actually, what really needs to happen is the dissolution of the party system.  Presidential candidates need to be elected for thier values, morals, and views… Not thier party affiliation.

That being said, we need a president that will end the “wars” (War in Iraq, the war on drugs) so we can take that money and fix our broken country.  How about some minimal public health care?  Or a program that helps the homeless get back on thier feet?  Maybe reform welfare so it encourages people to get jobs, instead of me having to foot thier bill?  Energy conservation?? New power sources?  Maybe we should try to get another man on the moon.  It’s certainly been long enough.

C’mon people, theres way more important things going on in our own country than people smoking joints.  I just think that we should be doing CONstructive things instead of DEstructive.

At one point I admired Hillary Clinton so much I used to tell people I, a 64 year old man, liked her so much that “I wanted to have her babies!” It always got a laugh. 

I don’t use that line anymore because her stance on war has erroded my admiration for her.  I concur with your first sentence.

“If Sen. Clinton can’t demonstrate clear leadership on Iraq now, why should we believe she would grow a backbone as president?”

Nominate Barbara Boxer, the least intelligent person in the entire Senate, for president?

Please do.

Good to see Bobby’s consistency remains in tact after his LA Times drubbing.Yes,Robert,Hillary is
smarmy,dissembling,manipulative,ruthless,empty,
vengeful and a Bottomless Appetite.Jeepers,this comes as a surprise? Barbara Boxer as Dem Presidential candidate...Please,God,make it so!
Babs drinks the same Kool Aid as Robert and might break 7 million votes in a national election.When al Zarqawi took the 500 pounder in the kiester,Babs said it ‘just prolongs the cycle of violence.’Yeaaaah,BABY...War,Bobby & Babs,is killing folks & breaking things ‘till the other guy quits. Not EXIT DATES!

Yeah Mescalero Mr. Scheer’s packin’ some very heavy Left Wing historical baggage. Would seem he’s stuck to the 1956 post Stalinist Party Line for decades. The kind of guy that’ll go down with Battleship Potemkin. But let’s mellow out a second and give credit where credit’s due: At least he didn’t grow up to be like former Ramparts Magazine editor turned ardent neo-Con David Horowitz, and as we see he isn’t at all reluctant to put the Counter Revolutionary fire to Hillary’s big fat former Socialist ass. By God I’d be willing grant him amnesty on that basis alone. Bottom line: He’s a discarded Left wing journalist. She’s an elite leftist intellectual with an I.Q. in the 160+ range along with a well deserved reputation of having one of the best legal minds in The Western World, worse, she’s lusting to become the American version of Madame Coucesceau...It kills me to concede to that old adage that Politics makes for strange bedfellows. That’s how primitive and childish I remain. But it does, jest sure as thar’s shit in a goat.

At first blush, you sound OK.  After taking a deep breath, you sound like one of Stalin’s goons!

You and I met at the married students center in Albany, CA back in 1966.  You tried to convince us that no North Viet Namese troops were in Cambodia.  Robert---I asked you to show us where you were at that time, and you blatantly refused.

It’s about time you came clean, Mr. Scheer, if I may be allowed to refer to you by such civilized terms!!

You guys kill me. Boxer won in California. Call 60 minutes. How did she ever do it? Oh wait, California is a solid dem state. Sparkling political commentary. I guess it’s about as insightful as one could hope from the fever swamp. Hey Bob, weren’t you fired from the LA Times? Lord what does that say?

Your(and most commenters) BDS has reached life threatening levels. I say the sooner you all die off, the better this country will be.

Oh and Mother, Wayne Allred is from Colorado. And you can thank me for voting to put adults in charge when you come to you senses.

The one thing your article fails to mention of why Hilary is a candidate in the first place and not others like Boxer.

Money

It makes the world go around. And gives us the same lame candidates every year. It not about where people stand on issues but rather who can get their “message” to the most.

Hillary’s campaign chest is vomitting cash.  The media has declared her the front runner.  So, here’s the church, here’s the steeple, but look inside and there ain’t no people. (If recent elections indicate anything, they indicate that you don’t need no people.) So who’s feeding her all that cash and who’s she schmoozing in the media? Face it, unless we can cut off her cash cows and fire her media toadies, either she’ll be sitting in the throne room in 2009, or Jeb Bush will. Who says America doesn’t do dynasties.

Okay times up Hillary.  Where is the accountability of these American Generals?  Where?  Why are they NOT DEMOTED 10 levels down? Why are they not thrown inside the base brig., for CRIMINAL NEGLECT?  Why is it when the
“ little PVT dies “, no one ever pays INSIDE the MILITARY for their mistakes?  These American Generals are INCOMPENTENT!  2 years later they then tell the mother how he really died!

No individual will speak up and tell the truth!  We need another 200,000 warm bodies.  INCOMPENTENT war planning!

GREAT JOB Georgie! MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

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Iraqi colleagues killed U.S. soldiers, military says

Wednesday, June 21, 2006; Posted: 11:11 a.m. EDT (15:11 GMT)

Nadia McCaffrey says she wants to know the truth about how her son was killed in Iraq.

A mother seeks the truth about her son’s death (1:26)

SAN FRANCISCO, California (AP)—Two California soldiers shot to death in Iraq were murdered by Iraqi civil-defense officers patrolling with them, military investigators have found.

The deaths of Army Spc. Patrick R. McCaffrey Sr. and 1st Lt. Andre D. Tyson were originally attributed to an ambush during a patrol near Balad, Iraq, on June 22, 2004.

But the Army’s Criminal Investigation Command found that one or more of the Iraqis attached to the American soldiers on patrol fired at them, a military official said Tuesday. (Watch a mother’s quest for truth—1:26)

A Pentagon spokesman knew of no other similar incident, calling it “extremely rare.”

The Army has conducted an extensive investigation into the deaths but declined to provide details out of respect for relatives of the soldiers, spokesman Paul Boyce said Tuesday evening.

It was unclear whether the investigators had established a motive or arrested any suspects.

The families of McCaffrey and Tyson were to be briefed on the report’s conclusions Tuesday and Wednesday by Brig. Gen. Oscar Hilman, the soldiers’ commander at the time, and three other officers.

“When they come I have my list of questions ready, and I want these answers and I don’t want lies,” McCaffrey’s mother, Nadia McCaffrey, said.

Soldiers who witnessed the attack have told her that two Iraqi patrolmen opened fire on her son’s unit. The witnesses also said a third gunman simultaneously drove up to the American unit in a van, climbed onto the vehicle and fired at the Americans, she said.

“Nothing is clear. Nothing is clear,” she said. Her son was shot eight times by bullets of various calibers, some of which penetrated his body armor, she said. She believes he bled to death.

Nadia McCaffrey has become a vocal critic of the war in Iraq, and said her son had reservations about it, too, though he served well and was promoted posthumously to sergeant.

“I really want this story to come out; I want people to know what happened to my son,” she said. “There is no doubt to me that this (ambushes by attached Iraqi units) is still happening to soldiers today, but our chain of command is awfully reckless; they don’t seem to give a damn about what’s happening to soldiers.”

Iraqi forces who had trained with the Americans had fired at them twice before the incident that killed Patrick McCaffrey, and he had reported it to his superiors, she said.

Boyce said the U.S. military remained confident in its operations with Iraqis.

“We continue to have confidence in our operations with Iraqi soldiers and have witnessed the evolution of a stronger fighting army for the Iraqi people,” he said.

Patrick McCaffrey joined the National Guard the day after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, his mother said.

Tyson’s family could not be located, and a message left with his former unit was not immediately returned.

McCaffrey, 34, and Tyson, 33, were members of the California National Guard. Both were assigned to the Army National Guard’s 579th Engineer Battalion, based in Petaluma.

Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-California, pressed the Pentagon for answers about the case when Nadia McCaffrey was unsatisfied by explanations from the military.

“Mrs. McCaffrey is set to receive a briefing from Pentagon officials (Wednesday) afternoon in California, during which we hope they will provide her with a full report of the facts surrounding Sgt. McCaffrey’s death,” said Natalie Ravitz, a Boxer spokeswoman.

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

1.  No rank and file democrats like Hillary

2.  Rham Emanuel is the Democrat who will “choose” future nominees

3.  Rham Emanuel is not Christian

If Ms. Clinton is not shamelessly posturing, then she really isn’t smart enough to inspire anyone interested in progressive--even old-fashioned conservative--principles.  Really any principles with moral validity and logical bases with which debate can rationally proceed.  Anyone with their eyes open can see that.

It is shameful what passes for a Democrat these days.  Anyone who still supports King George has it easy.  They don’t have to worry about shame.

Lots of R e p u b l i c a n AMERICAN KILLERS out and about:  what a national Security Threat! More Terrorsits in the USA!

Wayne Allard Missouri
Jim Bunning Kentucky
Conrad Burns Montana
Tom Coburn Oklahoma
Thad Cochran Mississippi
John Cornyn Texas
Jim DeMint South Carolina
Mike Enzi Wyoming
Lindsey Graham South Carolina
Chuck Hagel Nebraska
Jim Inhofe Oklahoma
jon Kyl (R-AZ)
Trent Lott Mississippi
John McCain Arizona
Jeff Sessions Alabama
Ted Stevens Alaska
Craig Thomas Wyoming
John Warner Virginia

Sincerely,
Mother of US Special Forces Soldier
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The above taken from the article below:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20060621/cm_thenatio n/1594235

The Nation
2 hours, 43 minutes ago

Opinion
Not Exactly Supporting the Troops

The Nation — Here’s an interesting political position: Keep U.S. troops in Iraq and signal to the Iraqi government that its O.K. to pardon insurgents who kill Americans.

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Even in the frequently surreal debate over this absurd war, that sounds like too warped a position for anyone in Congress to take.

Yet, that’s the stance 19 senators took Tuesday.

Florida Senator Bill Nelson proposed a simple amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007. It sought: “To express the sense of Congress that the Government of Iraq should not grant amnesty to persons known to have attacked, killed, or wounded members of the Armed Forces of the United States.”

Seventy-nine senators — all the Democrats who participated in the vote, as well as most of the Republicans — backed the Nelson amendment.

But 19 senators opposed it. All are Republican supporters of the war, who have voted to keep U.S. troops in Iraq. Yet they voted against a measure putting the Congress on record in opposition to granting amnesty to Iraqis who kill U.S. soldiers.

It would be unfair to suggest that the 19 “no” voters want Americans to die in Iraq, or that they want those deaths to go unpunished. It’s just that they are unwilling to provoke an unstable Iraqi government by having the U.S. Congress send such a blunt message.

In other words, the 19 are so committed to making a success of the Iraq imbroglio that they don’t want to say or do anything to upset the puppets, er, politicians in Baghdad.

The 19 senators who have given new meaning to the term “pro-war” are:

Wayne Allard of Colorado Kit Bond of Missouri Jim Bunning of Kentucky Conrad Burns of Montana Tom Coburn of Oklahoma Thad Cochran of Mississippi John Cornyn of Texas Jim DeMint of South Carolina Mike Enzi of Wyoming Lindsey Graham of South Carolina Chuck Hagel of Nebraska Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma jon Kyl (R-AZ) Trent Lott of Mississippi John McCain of Arizona Jeff Sessions of Alabama Ted Stevens of Alaska Craig Thomas of Wyoming John Warner of Virginia

Notably, Kyl and Burns face serious reelection challenges this year. It will be interesting to watch them try to explain this vote on the campaign trail.

Rare indeed is the man with character enough to admit publicly that his best intentions have been taken advantage of, and then betrayed--Unless of course he’s a paid consultant...But, don’t take it so hard Mr. Bregman. Hillary’s party’s over. John F. Kerry will run in ‘08, be elected by a narrow margin over McCain, and then he’ll order an attack on Iran…

When Sidney Blumenthal drew out the “right-wing” conspiracy of Hollinger Corporation- Richard Mellon Scaife, and various and other sundry foundations and ne0-conservatives who were out to destroy her husband with the Whitewater and other dirty operations, Hillary responded morally and identified this as a “vast-right wing conspiracy,” out to destroy the Presidency of the United States.
Well, well, well… Hillary Clinton is now receiving vast amounts of money from the very same right wingers out to destroy the FDR Democratic Party and she is in a deep embrace with the same people who conspired to bring her husband down!!!
Check out Felix Rohatyn, the fascist from Lazard Freres, the man who wrote the strategic bankruptcy strategy for Delphi corporation which is using a phony bankruptcy to destroy labor and outsource all of its US manufacturing.  Some Democrat.... out to destroy unions and living standards of working people in the United States and use slave labor abroad for the greater good of a handful of corporate syndicates and financial elites… What will they say next....  at least you got a job under slavery.... be happy and keep your mouth shut?  I think not.

So, until Hillary and the rest of the Democrats listen to and act on the initiatives of Lyndon LaRouche and the LaRouche Youth Movement to revive the legacy of Franklin D. Roosevelt in the Democratic Party.....  they are worse than useless.......  they are actually doing the dirty work for the financial oligarchy that hates America and the American Revolution.  Call it what it really is: Fascism With A Democratic Face!!!  Gerald Pechenuk cities12345 at yahoo dot com

I completely agree with this column and all the comments (except for Comment #12133 by July Canute, which is clearly antisemitic). Hillary botched the health care issue back 1992 and has done nothing since then to make me cheer, and a lot of things that have really pissed me off. If Hillary gets the nomination, I’m out of the DP. Whoever the Republicans put up, it couldn’t be worse. She thinks an anti-war woman is not electable, so she has to be tough like Margaret Thacher? Hell, why don’t we nominate Ann Coulter instead, then? She’s not anti-war, and she’s got nicer legs than Hillary.

One of the biggest mistakes of my life was voting for, giving money to and actively campaigning for Ms. Clinton (aka Hill) in her 2000 Senate bid.

What a sucker I was.

Almost immediately upon election Hill tacked hard to starboard and repudiated her progressive POV for a neo-ring wing hawkishness.  And for those hoping that the new right wing Hill is a fake, don’t get sucked into that fools game.

Conservatives, besides being highly disciplined in their message crafting and delivery, have made the correct analysis on several occasions and credit is due.  Character does matter.  Leaders must embrace core values just as pretenders never will.  So if Hill’s right wing thrust is only a tactical move it reflects badly on her character and means she CAN NEVER be trusted to do the right (correct) thing when faced with tough decisions.

You know what’s funny?

All those 2000 era Hillary Haters with their nasty bumper stickers were spot on!  It turns out that Hill is the evil spawn of satan.  A creature of power and base politics lacking a soul, all scruples and a spine.

Oh well, I’ve been VERY uncomfortable in the democratic party for years.  I came within an eyelash of leaving after the ‘04 Kerry debacle.  So if the dems nominate Hill that’ll do it for me.

And if (when) that day comes, progressive dems should stop sipping at the trough of a DLC DP and leave the party in droves - if for no other reason than to put the ugly beast out of its misery.

The DP hasd lost its sense of self and a Hill nomination followed by defeat in ‘08 will be useful only in that it may hasten the ultimate demise of the old DP.

RIP DP.  It was nice to know ya.  Don’t let the door hit you when you go.

Does anybody remeber the point of democracy; that a population can make its own decisions? When Iraq held its election over 80% voted for parties that wanted us out of their country immediately or with a (immenent)deadline. Soooo...what’s the counter-arguement?

“Hillary’s Shameful Straddling on Iraq”

I agree with Robert 100% on Hillary Clinton’s stance [or lack of], on Iraq.  It seems to me that she’s trying to please everyone on everything and it simply cannot be done.  It’s inconceivable that a woman of such education and so much political background could possiblly not see the immense blunder Bush’s invasion of Iraq was in the first place and the horrific place it has delivered us to as an aftermath.

Is it possible that Hillary Clinton cannot see the awful struggle Americans undergo because our tax dollars are going towards a war that never should have begun?  No.  It is not possible.  Her upholding of this war says one thing and that is that she does not care that Americans are reduced to paying for gasoline and home heating fuel or putting a balanced diet on the table for their families.  She does not care that Americans must be denied health care because we do not have the funds.

If one can imagine the over 300 billion dollars that tax payer money has gone into this fiasco in Iraq, one can imagine the enormous good it could have done for our own country and others.  America could have been energy efficient.  America could have provided health care for all.  [Was this not her goal as First Lady?] America could have taken actions, such as in Darfur, which it could have held pride in.

Ms. Clinton must realize that Americans are sick of being sickened by this war of insanity.  We are sick of the sacrafices we’re called upon to make.  We are sick of losing our youth to a cause that is senseless and can have no positive outcome for either Iraq or our nation.  She must realize that many look upon her as being in bed with Bush rather than Bill!

I’ve heard some say, “oh, I hope Hillary runs in 2008.” She can only be a spoiler for a good, decent man, such as Al Gore, John Kerry or John Edwards, who are all against this war and would put an end to it.  They would also work to end poverty and improve our environment.  I cannot see Hillary doing any of this in spite of her, “It Takes a Communty” [?] What I see in Hillary is what many others see in her, a republican in democrat’s clothing!

Right on - Robert!
I’d vote for Boxer any day instead of Hillary. Where’s her outrage with Rove’s “cut & run” dis on Veteren liberals & progressives?

She’s just another opportunist on the road to PAC money & excellent retirement benefits.

She has exposed her real alliance to the “Cut & Paste” Party: GLOP (Grand Lying Old Party).

Re: Scheer on Hilary: Yes, and not only “shameful” but with Hilary thinking she’s courageous, and considering how deep her pockets are, “shameless” as well.  Yes, as well, on Boxer.

artsnooze

Dear Robert Scheer
Again you speak for myself. I couldnt’ agree more with this week’s column. I would put Diane Feinstein in the mix as well. As a woman I’m supposed to support women, but not in those cases. I’m a deeply aficionado of Howard Dean, he got it right from day one.

Hillary will not have an easy answer because cut and run is not an option because the path is not clear, I would hope that this war will not be another Vietnam, and so far it is not because the life of soldiers is important, but this war is not a Vietnam.

Margaret Currey, Portland, Oregon

Hillary got where she is the same way Bush got where he is. 

We all could be where they are if we were married to Bill or the son of old Bush.

Both are political like spiders.

Both will do anything to have their way.

Both are used to getting their way.

She may have connections in the voting machine business.

Her chances are excellent.

I just hope she’s lying to win like Bush did.  Maybe in office, she’d do right by her side like Bush has done by his.

If she could inflict a 4 or 8 year gag reflex on the crooks & retards that are Bush’s supporters like Bush has done to us, I might be ok with her after all.

But, if she’s being herself, my gag reflex will continue.

I’ve felt that Barbara Boxer is the best “man” for the job for a long time! She’s far better than any other candidate out there. It was great to see someone else who’d like to see her in the Oval Office!

Yeah ya gotta point Mr. Scheer, Hillary Warrior Princess went over like Rocky XXXVII? did at the box office with this crowd. In time, all definitions must be revised, if not re-revised. September 11th proved to be to the American Left of 1999 the same disaster that the Molotov-Ribbentrop non Aggression Pact was in 1939. Apart from the Army McCarthy hearings in ‘54 and the Foreign Policy ineptitude-cum-prevalence of JFK in ‘62 it took 30 years and another war for it to fully recover. Cuba will be full of beachfront luxury condominiums and 4 Star Resort hotels by then.

Given the likes of Hillary, the Democrats are a doomed party. Apparently the best it can do is offer weak-kneed candidates so lacking in conviction that they waffle on every issue. It offers no concrete agenda, no values on which to build leadership. It is increasingly obvious that once again this failed party will be easily divided between the progressives and the right-leaners, making it unlikely it can regain control of congress, much less the presidency. It’s sad.

Mr Scheer you are a riot.  If it were Christians who held the purse strings I’m absolutely certain that you and others of your ilk would have no compunction whatsoever pointing out that fact.

Since Mr Scheer is inexplicably in the dark on this one issue I will explain why Hillary is a warmongering Zionist who wants to keep us in the middle east.

As Walt and Messhemeir explained in their paper on the American Israeli PAC and Israel’s influence and power in our government, 60% of a candidate’s campign funds come from Jews.  Without Jews nobody becomes a candidate nor will they ever become POTUS. 

Remember, Al Gore was against the “rearrangement” of the middle east for a Greater Israel and he was told by “elites” in the Democratic party that he would get no money or support and then they foist the newly converted John Kerry off on us.  As Mr Scheer points out John Kerry is now against the war in Iraq, or SO HE SAYS.

Don’t you find it hard to believe how Kerry was ever fooled in the first place????  Didn’t we deter the former Soviet Union, the only other military superpower?  Were we supposed to be afraid of Saddam even IF HE DID HAVE WMD???  How was he supposed to deliver those weapons to the USA anyway???

Mr Scheer is as full of it as Hillary and Kerry.  If it were Christians who held the purse strings he wouldn’t be struck so dumb would he?

Hillary who?

Her stand on Iraq has not changed my view of her. I`m still against her.

Anyone with backbone and a capacity for outrage against war crimes--requiring a moral compass that one follows--should have come out against this war long ago.

And after PBS Fontline`s “The Dark Side” telling how we got into this mess ... anyone not wanting us out of it as quickly as possible while maintaining some sort of rational stability in the Middle East (still achievable through diplomacy) had better sit down and question what level of patriotism it is that they don`t understand.

Loyalty to “unimpeded executive authority” is not partiotism in the United States of America.

It is time to once again reread our Declaration of Independence and its ending words:

“And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.”

We the people should be shouting, “Can you hear us now?”

I’m sorry everybody is so down on Hillary, when you should be down on every politician in Washington.

Read the following and learn the real truth about the Bush agenda and the American agenda and how the Bush version only represents a slightly more radical version.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HF20Ak03.html

Robert,

Thank you for stating the obvious. This was long overdue. I wonder when the rest of the democrats will realize that Hillary is not Bill and cannot use her husbands political capital to win the presidency in 2008. I thought very highly of her until during Bill’s administration, she botched a great opportunity to overhaul the health care system in this country.

The democratic party and America can no longer afford lack of firm commitment and action on this among many crucial issues. This goes for all the “representatives” who are not defending the principles of this once great country.

Hi,

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Gregg Birnbaum
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“It’s All About Her”

I think your column is right on the money. The critical moment will be in the primaries where democrat voters will have the opportunity to choose between the failed campaigns of a more moderate venue or a truly progressive candidate who is more in touch with the voter base. It is time to put what we believe on the line which is the essence of democracy.

I think Clinton is living in the past afraid to state what she knows is correct for fear of offending and losing. But in my opinion it is time to set our fears aside and let the voters choose and the polls show that most Americans favor pulling our troops out of Iraq and do believe that Iraq is now the most important issue.

Americans I believe are tired of being coddled and lied too. Opportunity rarely knocks and the democratic leadership should be prepared to embrace the moment for it will pass quickly. “Now’s the time” should be their motto or as the late great jazz musician Charlie Parker said, “I greased my skillet, lit my fire, and I cooked.”

Hilary is toast. Whoever emerges as the 2008 DEM, it will surely be an anti-war candidate. DEMs are overwhelmingly opposed to the occupation of Iraq and the numbers are growing as the War lingers on. No war hawk that has a position resembling Bushs will prevail in the DEM party. The sooner the DEMs realize pro-war is a loosing strategy, the better.

Put another way, the US is now the problem in Iraq and because Iraq ultimately must sort itself out anyway better to begin now with a US exit than wait for all the new horrors to emerge. But wait! What about the larger issues: the bases in the outback, control of the spigots, a foothold against Iran, democracy in the middle east? Not so easy, not to this administration which hasn’t a clue what diplomacy means (except to get pissed at the Swiss for passing on an opportunity).

And that’s this sticking point. If your only foreign policy is muscle you’ve got to keep your seeves rolled up. No, this administration has no choice. But the dems do, their choice is aggressive diplomacy on multiple levels. But we’re hearing nothing.