It’s when you don’t have sex and desire to abstain from sex before you’re married. Keeping your pants up and using your brain to think through the consequences that may happen if you engage in such activities. AIDS, Herpes, Gonnorrhea are not just fun words but diseases that millions of people all over the world get because they decide to get off and think they’re protected with a condom which even if they couldn’t get pregnant or acquire the fire of herpes or Gonnorrhea they still would be empty only having temporary pleasure that doesn’t last. Sex without a true relationship is crap. I see tons of people every day with funky discharge from their crotch or smells that are even worse because sex is cool and let’s go out and bang every person you see. Just because you can’t control urges doesn’t mean sex outside of marriage is right and justified. The only way to truly have no chance of getting an STD or becoming pregnant is by not engaging in having sex, getting head, or doing anything else with your little midget that you can’t control. Have you ever talked with a girl that’s been banged one guy after another has 30 kids and nothing else but crappy relationships for the last 20 years, she has a worn out nasty looking tool that no one would ever want to touch, not to mention the multiple diseases that she would have or the man that thinks sex is the only thing that matters, pretty soon he’s looking for other things to satisfy but never finds them. 10 different STD’s and 30 kids to boot, never once thinking about who’s going to raise those kids and be a real dad to them or whether or not he really gives a crap or not. But it’s not our responsibility, we couldn’t help it. Our dicks just had to go bang something, try monogamy and get married, it will last longer and be more fulfilling. Go ahead contract AIDS, let your dick fall off because you don’t know crap about STD’s and think a little pill will cure your ills, your body will pay for the things you put it through, just ask the heroine junky or the crack head, or maybe the methman, they all pay in one way or another. Sex isn’t any less addicting than any other drug you just pay different in the end for banging so many people. Increases the chance of Cancer in women, and decrease fertility and makes your dick hurt and ooze green crap. Abstinence what the crap? Let’s just go get a gun and play Russian Roullette. You can argue this issue when you work around all the people that come in to get treated for these diseases and infect thousands of others because they don’t care and just want to bang someone.

I have been kind of surprised by these three articles. Having been to a couple of the Acquire the Fire events and to the Honor Academy for a year, I have not found a gospel of hate, but a call the greater commitment to the gospel found in the new testament. Which, by the way, has no provisions for stoning anyone. In fact the discipline of the church was in the worst case to not allow people who claimed to be Christians and yet refused to act like them, to meet with them. It was not even excommunication as the catholic church knows it, because whether a person is a Christian is ultimately only known by them and God. It is also this gospel that instructs Christians to pray for the salvation of our enemies, not something that is easy to do. The call to commitment is a call to allow God to work in my life to forge my character. To build a mature character that has integrity. A character being the collection of habits that guide my daily life. And the practice for the big things is in the little things, which is why Ron calls for honesty and integrity in all things from the smallest to the biggest. It is this honesty and integrity, the willingness to do the right thing that defines honor. As an aside, did you know that the “Golden Rule”: “Do to others what you would want them to do to you” is one of the things that Jesus said? Now, when Ron Luce talks about the need to stop being pew sitters and to abandon the “peace, love, joy” gospel it is to submit to God as he directs my life and to allow him to work through the difficult times of my life to forge the character and maturity that he wants to. It is a call, like the one that Jesus gave that said that life as a Christian is not going to be a cake walk, it will be difficult. But, through it all he will be walking beside me and will show his love for me and be my strength so that I can have peace and show joy and love to others even in the middle of very difficult situations. By the way the Honor Academy has some great opportunities to put yourself in challenging situations to allow God to really work in your life.

As for some comments about the agreement that Honor Academy Interns make to not watch R rated movies or listen to secular music, it is to allow us to focus more on what we are learning about the bible and following God. As for the dress code at Teen Mania, I would also like to note that guys were also required to keep their shirts on, so as not to provide temptation to the women on campus. The agreement to not pursue romantic relationships is also to reduce the distractions and to build an environment where we can learn to interact with members of the opposite sex as people, with respect, as friends and with out having to worry about whether or not she likes me in a romantic way. This is consistent with the call for the Christian to treat those of the opposite sex as siblings, with complete respect. Another thing that I have read is that the introduction of the bourka has not stopped men from lusting or women from flirting, it is just focused on different areas of the body. (Outside the Wire by Kevin Patterson and Jane Warren - sorry no page number) It stands to reason that a blind man can still lust, the source of stimulation is the only difference. As a Christian I believe that the call to have sex only in marriage is to protect a beautiful thing, and that it is those who are married as virgins who experience the fullness of what it was designed to be, and that goes for BOTH the husband and the wife. The bible’s rules (God’s rules) are to protect us from harm and to guide us to life’s fullest most joyful measure avoiding the cheap imitations as much fun as they seem. As far as activism, I understand and it is taught at Teen Mania that I am responsible for my actions, I am not responsible for your actions. This means that my influence is not to bludgeon you with, but that I must do what is right.  If I do not like the image or message that some corporate entity is portraying, I will not buy their product, even if it is good in and of itself. I will not support their message. I can speak to politicians, and as a citizen of a democracy it is my place to let them know what I think about issues. With regards to the militant theme of the Battle Cry events, the Christian is not fighting against people, it is a spiritual battle. It is stated clearly that the weapons of Christianity are not those of this world: swords, shields, and now guns. Instead, the weapons are prayer, the bible, and our own life stories as we recount how God has been at work in our lives to provide for us, to forge our characters through the tough times of life, and how he has walked beside us the whole way even though we often fail, spitting in his face by doing what is wrong. This is a journey, one that will last the rest of my life, one where I will see God continue to work in my life to build maturity and character so that I reflect more of who Christ really is.

Although this article did point out that some things Teen Mania is doing may be overly-radical, most of the comments about Christianity are very ignorant. I would have liked to see some of the sources which led to these conslusions.

Their is a reason for all the violence, hate and murder, we see in society today. This reason being that children are not afforded protections and respect for their innocense. There was a time when
children were protected by their father and mother, a time when two people came together as one, produced children, from their bodies blending as one. This is the reason for birth and life, when two fall in love and create together life. These are the parents that can truley love, each other and their children. Out of this truly diverse relationship, then come together and form a relationship that they can build a life with. For they can flourish in all the natrual and normal aspects of life itself. These two alone, can create life, they have the ability to join together. Joined in a relationship that offers, hope, love and life.

As the sun of the earth must rise, to give sustaining warmth, light and life
The son of man must rise for he has a purpose too
To rise up and bring forth life
With all that God has given him
To honor and protect
To defend the blood of his offspring
To give and receive this love
It takes a heterosexaul
The blue print of the Creator
You are heterosexaul

It’s not the KKK, that’s an analogy. I’ve done some research into this. On the whole, the event is very nice. The fundamental aspect and conversionary parts are the scary bits. The masses go in and emerge unchanged, except maybe more Christian and more love/peace/etc. The few who become fanatics afterwards worry me.

To understand the condition of the State of Massachusetts, please visit http://www.massresistance.org. Also google Boston’s Children’s Hospital Sex Change Clinic. We are in need of many, many prayers and support. God Bless!!!

God’s Children

God’s Children have lost their way
Jesus has very much too say]
Will they listen
Those restless souls
Or will they go their own way
Loneliness, trouble and despair
They will meet at their will
But Jesus’ Will shall never fail
To come and heal them
And Bring them home

You’re comparing Battlecry to the KKK now? You really have no idea about the other side of the story then.

Battlecry isn’t about actually killing people or even going to a real war. It’s about the spiritual war that we’re all involved in as Christians against sin and hate. The war thing is used as an ANALOGY. I have been to AtF myself, and there is absolutely no support of shedding blood. It doesn’t approve of taking down people. It actually is a loving movement, and it’s fight is against the bad values being put into the media, not the people who follow them.

I would recommend listening to more than one anti Christian bias article before you make such a big assumption as Battlecry is like KKK.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Luce speak of the weakness of the “pew-sitters” and how “the Christians who just want love, joy, peace” were a problem? See article 2.

I’m sure she hates democracy. Which is why she protests and writes persuasive articles. I mean, everyone knows that’s what people who hate democracy do.
To Netbug: I’d like to see the other side of the story as well, but I fear it would be rather idiotic, much as allowing the KKK a side in a story would be. While some of the quotes are unoffensive, most are. Not only does this group actively support violence and bloodshed as a preferable method to achieve their goals (“No souls can be saved without the shedding of blood. Blood must be shed!” ), they lie. Condoms don’t work? Seriously? Didn’t we leave this stuff behind with the evolution debate? This whole “Aquire the Fire” movement does not at all seem rational, reasonable, or beneficial (to anyone who does not believe them).

Wow, we’re all the same? Huh. I’m pretty sure I have conservative values but am not a communist.

Learn the whole story before you assume anything. This article is totally anti Christian and bias. If this site was really about truth, it would have the guts to give both sides of the story.

SUNSARA TAYLOR IS A COMMUNIST!!! SHE SAYS SO HERSELF. WE ALL KNOW VERY WELL THAT REDS ARE ALL THE SAME. SHE PROBABLY PICTURES HERSELF AS SOME KIND OF FREEDOM FIGHTER LIKE BACK IN SPAIN IN THE 1930s. WEARING A CHE HAT AND A GREEN UNIFORM LIKE CASTRO. SHE WOULD LIKE TO COMBAT THE EVIL AMERICANS WITH HER KARL MARX BOOK AT HER SIDE. REALLY IT’S ALL SILLY JUST THE SAME. SHE’S BITTER BECAUSE DEMOCRACY WON OVER COMMUNISM. LADY LET IT GO!!!!!

Ron can you email me i really need to talk to you plasea and thanks!

girl4christ, you go girl!  We know what you mean.

We’re into Mithra here - you know, the Savior that was born to a virgin on December 25th and came to save us from our sins.  He came before Jesus by a few centuries, but He is awesome!

We are fighting for Mithra, and we love y’all for your fighting for Jesus.  They are two awesome guys!

Maybe we can get Mithra to fight Jesus and make some money from it!  I know our guy will win because He came before Jesus, but we’ll take whatever happens.

In any case, if y’all can’t figure out how to act or what to think without these guys, let’s get together and see if we can make judgements about things using reason and facts.

‘Devoted to God Mithra’
Billy and Bev

i think you are very sceptical in saying that these so called teenagers need to thnk for themselves. They have found what ,akes them happy, jesus and are willing to fight for him. I do not think that is a problem if terrorists also decide to fight for their own god. You need to stop making judgements. God will surely judge Ron luce according to his works, we just need to be thankful that something is willing to step out in faith. After all, faith without works is dead.

This article displays a lack of understanding about what the event was about.  The Battle Cry revolution is about teens meeting truth-- understanding consequences of our actions, making the choice to live not selfishly, but to serve and care for other hurting teenagers.  The Christianity of the Bible is a religion of love for anyone who realizes they need it-- especially the outcasts.  The lesson with the pigs was that we need to renounce our sins, our attitudes and actions that are destructive to ourselves and to others. 
This is not a hate movement but a movement of love-- people caring enough about teens to be honest when it’s not popular.

hello. i am so very sorry for those who are christians who read this article and were angered by the angle that we were perceived; however, i offer my sincerest apology to those who are not christians and were talked down to by christians.

everyone has a right to believe what they will, yet those who present a message that bashes those who are not christians are being judgmental. God is to be the judge of that not the christian who knows no better than to pass judgement upon someone based on their opinion which was founded upon pour examples of a relationship with God.

christians, if u who are blameless of sin step forwatd and cast the first stone; if there is no one then hush ur judgement and learn patience, compassion, and love. Christ was these things and u should strive for this.

no one wants to pursue a relationship with christ when the only examples they encounter are ruthless, snooty and self gratifying hypocrits.

god loves EVERYONE. not just the christian. we are not all so self centered. some of us just like to inform people and let them feel the Jesus thing out for themselves. make the choice not be pushed into it.

if there is anyone who would like information about Christ and the Bible and what a Christian really is, please contact me. i promise i will help u as best my ability.

i love you all as christ also loves you.

my email- farmergrl4jc at yahoo dot com

god bless u all.

There a lot of hate in the article and in the replys.  they really don’t like this guy.  They didn’t like Jesus either because he exposed people for what they are.  Have you ever told a lie, then your a liar.  Have you ever lusted after someone, then according to Jesus you’re an adulterer.  Have you ever stolen anything regardless of size or value, then your a thief and you have to stand before a perfect and holy God on judgement day.  Now that’s offensive but it’s true.  Please search your heart to see if any of these questions fit you and if you answered yes to them please realize your in big trouble unless you turn from your wicked ways and put your trust in what Jesus has done for you.

Trying to impose a theocracy upon a secular republic doesn’t seem like helping me

why don’t you are liberal/left/and godless , clean up your lives and quit acting like barnyard animals? that way you could shut up gods warriors like ron luce...sound like a peaceful solution?.....
you might even get more peace in your soul,and stop hating those who are trying to help you.

I find it ironic I’m being told to do research when people here are not doing that. They’d rather just listen to this article that twists Ron Luce’s program into being something that it’s not. Why don’t you do some research and talk to people who didn’t just go to bash the whole thing and arn’t bias against anything conservative in nature?

Truthdig my eye. This article makes the democratic party look bad. Of course, that could be how the party usualy acts. I wouldn’t know. I’m not into politics much. I hope I’m wrong though.

Everyone should know there is an illuminati our goverment is killing us from every angle and prospect of our life, they ar slowly restricting our rights and freedoms with incidents of terror ,turning entire countrys into terrorist groups aswell as trying to use the bible and religion against the people as means of controlling the people.YOU MUST!! go to infowars.com , prisonplanet.com, GOOGLE ALEX JONES watch his documentaries. humanity depends on it. there is a NEW WORLD ORDER they are slowy destroying humantiy BUSH IS JUST THERE PUPPET THIS IS NO CONSPIRACY THEORY DO THE RESEARCH FOR YOURSELF YOU WILL BE OVERWHELMED............ WAKE UP......

Whether or not this guy is a full-blown Navy SEAL doesn’t change the fact that using such militaristic imagery is completely contradictory to the supposed “turn of the other cheek” nature of Christianity.

My young cousin is involved in Battlecry. It truly makes me sick. I attended a rally with her in Chicago. An earshot away from being the Nuremberg rally, only with more pyrotechnics and awful alternative rock bands.

If you ask me, it’s this article that’s trying to fool people who don’t do a background check.

I would love to get the names of the “so-called” SEALs who were in on this evolution.  Absolutely impossible.  I was an instructor for over 2.5 years and nobody makes any student “surrender their will”....come on.  What a load.
To everyone: Be real careful about the “SEALs” you read and hear about.  I’ve encountered more wannabes and fakes then actual.  Do your homework to avoid embarrasment.  The fakes play on the fact that you won’t do a background check on them when it is incredibly easy with one phone call to the NSW Center in Coronado Ca.

I’m just annoyed this site is called Truthdig and yet this article twists the truth so much.

The REAL reason this reviewer is angry I’m guessing is because Bush is behind it, so he assumes that we’re all Bush’s minions.

I am totally supportive of Battlecry, but guess what? I’m an independent. When I get older, I’m gonna be an independent voter. I choose to follow no one person but God.

This article is filled with lies. I suggest everybody who reads it to get the other side of the story before you beleive a word of it.

And to the reviewer, thanks for making my chances of voting democrat less likely by showing that the information you guys give out is twisted and filled with lies. I’ll remember to keep that in mind any time somebody asks me to vote for a democratic value, even if it does make sence to me, because fr all I know they’re twisting it up like you are here.

It’s funny how people claim Christianity makes no sense, and yet they can’t make it seem that way without twisting the truth. Huh.

What did you go to the event to do because it seems asthough you went to listen to all the points that would make Christians look bad, i’ve watched Ron Luce’s events and when i read your post i couldn’t even say that sounds like him at all. It’s ashame that you say his a woman basher and what else have you because thats not the case at all, he’s letting the youth in this day and age know what the enemy is doing in this world, it’s a spiritual battle not physical! Men in the biblical time where married to many women, yes, they were but you need to keep reading through the new testiment to read what Paul wrote about marriage before you decided to use what you did as an example because one man to one woman is enough. It’s amazing how people who don’t believe are always quick to pick and choose parts out of the bible to writeup something bad about our belief, but it seems you missed out all the times that Jesus spoke about those who would not understand the truth when they heard it, check the new testiment and see if you don’t find Him saying that many times in many ways also like the man who was born blind, that is an example of us everyone of us, when we’re born we are born blind to the truth but we are able to know the truth so that we can see through Jesus Christ which is where the song Amazing Grace talks about “ I once was lost, but now i’m found, was blind but now i see!” Refering to the lost as the lost sheep (the people) who need to be found (saved)why sheep as an example? Because in the biblical times there was alot of shepards tending sheep thats why, so it would be easy to understand as they could relate to it not that we are actually sheep as i’ve read many people say before which is just being silly. When you read the bible everything is not easy to understand but there is alot in there that can be understood if you really want to understand, but if you want to read it to mock it then it’s a different thing!

Are we sinners? Do we really have sin?

Answer this question, if nothing is wrong with us and we are so good why do we all around the world find it so hard to obey the laws of our countries? Why don’t we all follow the laws exactly as it says we should, whats the problem?

Something is obviosly wrong with us! The bible is about law, obeying the laws of God which only a perfect man can follow, every belief is based on law. The reason why man gets their backs up about the bible is because they don’t want to follow the law not even the law of their own world, that right there is a huge issue. It’s called being rebellious, which you know the word rebellious is not a good word it’s bad!

So i ask you again, why can’t man follow the laws of this world?

This is why so many people turn to Christ because we know that we are not perfect we have something wrong with us which is sin, the Ten Commandments is to show us how imperfect we are and that we need God and He sent Jesus so we could get back to Him, thats why Jesus is known as the Way, the Truth and the Life. I’m not going to say anymore because i know that those who don’t believe and understand it can be too much to take in, but there is a whole lot to understand about the bible and also even when your saved you still won’t understand the whole bible but oneday when Jesus returns and changes us, gives our new bodies we will understand as we will be made perfect like Him. You can’t deny this world is slowly being destroyed thats why scientist are trying to work out ways to solve the problem so people can live on this planet forever but it’s not meant to be like that because the world will come to an end and no man can stop it.

God bless!!

Marlon, I agree, a lot of the Christian sects do what you said. But that is at certain churches and not all. You shouldn’t judge the churches of America on a whole.

Why are you so pissed off? There’s a lot of anger in your posts.

“ok then smart guy, where did the world come from? How did we get here? What’s our purpose? Ya see, I choose to believe in God cause I feel like its hope. I can only imagine how you feel about having no afterlife.”

Ahhh yes, of course. We cannot explain the “reason” or the “meaning” of existence......so let’s just invent anthropomorphic gods and worship them, then life will make sense! Isn’t that satisfying?

Ok Darkslaye, so who created the creator? If believers are able to pose the question “Where did we come from” to prove the existence of a creator, then who created him? Most of you guys simply say “Oh....well God is infinite and perfect so he has no creator” Whatever. As for the “afterlife”, it is truly tragic that so many religions place value in what they imagine happens after death because they cannot handle the frailty of life. What sad escapism.

Cowgirl, as I stated before, you are not telling me anything new. You missed the point of my comparison of various Christian sects. Yes, I know that there is considerable difference between the Catholic papacy and of the reformation. Yes, I know the story of Martin Luther. The point I was making is ALL of these sects claim to be the one true path. They all claim to be right, and consider their brethren to be misguided and fallible. It’s just like shopping for a particular product; each brand will tell you it is the right one and that the competition is wrong. Yes, baptism and communions are rituals just like any other, they may be voluntarily chosen by the people who receive them but they are rites just the same. In ancient times, most human sacrifices chose and volunteered to die.

And as for your taking issue with a simple four letter word I uttered, deal with it. It’s just a word and I have free speech, as do you. Your linguistic morals do not apply to me. The only way a word can be offensive is if the person who hears it interprets it that way. I’ll say it again, SHIT! Whoop de doo! You give it the power to offend.

First off...Darkslaye, take a chill pill. lol. No need to get so fired up. We know the truth, so don’t let it get to ya, we’re gonna be facing all sorts of opposition.

To Marlon...about all your religion stuff. I still beg to differ. If you look at all those religions they each have tons upon tons of rituals. Just for example. I studied Islam in school awhile back, but I’ve slept since then and like I said, it’s been a few years so it’s kinda vague. But I think there’s something where they have to stop whatever they’re doing and pray at least one time a day. Key word here is “have”. As a muslim, they have no choice in the matter. The same with all of those other religions. Some people say that baptism and communion are rituals, but I have to disagree. A ritual to me is something that is FORCED upon someone. You HAVE to do it. Catholicism is very ritualistic. Reformed Christianity is something completely different. In all the churches I have been to, baptism and communion are free choice. So there IS a difference.

Also, like I pointed out above, the roman catholic church is VERY different from the reformed church. You might be interested in watching the movie, Luther, to find out more about that. I don’t know if that clarified anything for you, but I hope so. There’s a lot of differences…

ALSO...I’d like to point out one of your statements. “Religion in any of it’s various forms is the same shit, only from varying directions.” It’s easy to talk big on the internet, but it’s a huge pet peeve with me and very immature. That’s not saying I’m perfect or trying to insinuate that I’m any better than you, because I slip and say words I shouldn’t more times than I’d like to mention, but...it’s still really immature. So please don’t talk like that, at least not to me. I’d appreciate that.

Have a great day to everyone on both sides of this debate! God bless you all (whether you believe in Him or not).
CG4J

ok then smart guy, where did the world come from? How did we get here? What’s our purpose? Ya see, I choose to believe in God cause I feel like its hope. I can only imagine how you feel about having no afterlife.

Cowgirl, here’s the problem: You’re not telling me anything new. Yes, I know christians are fond of maintaining that the christian faith “is not a religion, but a relationship”, but do you ever stop and think that EVERY religion can lay claim to the same statement? Muslims believe they have a relationship with Allah. Hindus believe they have a relationship with the myriad of gods they worship. It’s just a promotional slogan meant to downplay the competition and win people over.

Essentially, this is how I view religion....

Christianity: We alone have the truth
Islam: Wrong, we do!
Judaism: You guys are both wrong, we are the ones who have it right
Hinduism: Haha, whatever, our religion is older than all of you guys
Zoroastrians: What are you guys going off about? We alone follow the truth

And essentially this is how I view christianity....

Catholic: We are the true church
Baptist: No, you guys are idolaters. We are the true church!
Methodist: Nope, that’s us
Evangelical: Wrong, that would be us
Presbyterian: Are you kidding? We alone follow the true book
Pentecostal: You’re all wrong, our church got it right!
Greek Orthodox: Are you people daft? We alone know the truth that is Jesus

Bottomline: All religions claim to be right and infallible. How can an ultimate truth have so many different versions? And yes, christianity is a religion, deny it all you want. It still follows the basic aspects of what constitutes as a religious faith(ritual, doctrine, dogma, holidays, guideline, clergy). Religion in any of it’s various forms is the same shit, only from varying directions

Hey there, Marlon! I was reading through some of your comments to Darkeslaye and I read the one about being raised in a baptist church. Maybe you should try a different church. I attend a baptist church every sunday, but we’re not a very conservative one. A lot of Baptist churches turn people off with the “no dance” rules, etc., etc. About some of your other arguments...since what Darkeslaye said was based off of something I had said in an eariler post about atheists being a religion. I wouldn’t say atheism is a religion due to the fact that’s it not ritualistic. Christianity isn’t a religion either, contrary to popular belief...it’s not based on rituals. Nothing we can do can ever get us into heaven accept believe in Jesus Christ and try to live as He would. If you’ve heard otherwise you’ve been sadly misinformed. Back on the subject of athesim, it’s not a religion, but they are so obsessed with proving Christianity and all the false cults out there wrong that it almost could be considered one.

Oh and if you try to piss me off like you do everyone else...ain’t gonna work.
I love you in Christ’s love!
Natty

Also, Christians aren’t perfect. So I’m sorry if I go all bezerk on you.

You mis-understand what it means. Making it your own means you challenge the belief and you look up historic documents and such to see if Jesus really did raise from the dead and did such miracles.

Have you ever been to one of his ATFs or Battlecry? Before ya talk bad about him. Go to one of his events.

I won’t stop posting cause I have hope for you to see my side of life. If I get so pissed off, well thats worth it to have someone see life in the eyes of a Christian.

“You’re a bit to late on making it your own.”

Wow, so the sum of all human knowledge and religious experience resides within a 14 year old?

You continue to reply to these articles, so get off your high horse.

Yes, I’m not surprised you were swayed easily by Ron Luce and his evangelical rock concert. He’s a slick huckster and a cunning businessman, so if he’s able to win people over like that he must be doing something right.

You say if I’m so angry I should stop posting. Well Darkslaye, if you’re so moral, good, righteous and “saved” why do you continue to post when it’s evident you’re pretty angry as well?

Anger does nothing except add pain. I am really amazed by how many say that I’m brainwashed. I went to one of the Acquire the Fires, that was a awe inspiring experience. He is a amazing speaker and I can see how people can call him a brainwasher. But seriously, if your so pissed, stop replying. Your trying to get rid of your anger by lying to people. Now I lived in a catholic home. But I have made my religion my own now. I have checked the books on whether he did this and that. You’re a bit to late on making it your own.

I’m here because I was raised in a strict conservative baptist home for much of my life and taught fairy tales and legends as literal fact. It is only recently that I have begun to think for myself.

I’m here because Battlecry has brainwashed the hell out of some of my closest friends and are very active with their propaganda campaigns in my town.

I’m here because I see organized religion in the 21st century as a painful vestige of an unenlightened period of time which stands against everything people expected the 21st century to be.

I’m here because I want to make it known that Battlecry DO NOT speak for ALL teens. They are NOT looking out for the interests of all people and they do NOT have the answers that EVERYBODY seeks, yet arrogantly assume everyone needs to join their club.

I’m here because I care, and I’m angry as fuck.

Did I just insult you? I don’t believe so. But yet you insult me. Now, I’m age 14, turned that a few months ago. I am here because Christianity is under-attack by Sunsara and if I don’t say something. No one is going to have the guts to. It’s like in the civil war. People from the south are insulting the blacks and people who help them. Now, if ya look at it now. Its not much different, only, people are pissed off at Christians and such. So teen to teen, why are you here? Ya have nothing to fight for, we aren’t attacking you. ANYWAYS! Why are you here?

I am a teen, just turned 18 in fact. Any pithy comebacks?

So why are you here Darkslaye336? You keep telling people here who have atheistic/agnostic/deistic/humanist viewpoints that they are simply angry and confused. So....why do you continue to reply to this page and other pages about Battlecry if you didn’t have an axe to grind with nonbelievers who challenge the tenets of the Christian faith? Obviously, despite your irritating smiley faces and supposed stance on the moral high ground, what people are saying definitely irks you quite a bit. Can you at least be as honest and “open-minded” as you are asking people to be? Or is that not a very “Godly” measure?

You say I follow something really hollow, well, I can say the same to you . I know about people like you. People who are just pissed of at Christians due to one bad encounter. So you figure that if you take out your anger by insulting the Christian’s way of life. You can feel better but yet you keep on getting pissed off more.

Ya do know that you don’t convert people through anger correct? Notice how I am, I am freaking pissed at people like you right now. But do I go around shouting “Your all idiots! You’ve got no brains! The rapture is going to come and your all going to be slaves for Satan!” No, I wouldn’t do that. Now your speaking hollow words until ya open your mind and speak like a normal non-pissed off guy. You’re heart is a tad hard. I feel sorry for that but ya gotta open your mind and eyes! You’re not going to achieve happiness through arguing to teens on the internet.

In the end if we are “screwed”, if homosexuals are “screwed”, if Siberian nomads who have never even heard the name of Jesus due to geographical isolation are “screwed”, it proves what a monstrous and petty being the Judeo-Christian god of Abraham is. Completely unworthy of praise and worship.

“Also, I don’t get “brownie points” in heaven, thats not the Christian Way, the Christian Way is believing in The Trinity and helping as many as you can.”

The Christian way is a system contingent upon obedience, punishment and reward. Your ultimate goal is this assumed afterlife rather than the here and the now. It’s a pretty hollow pursuit.

“But you guys got guts, believing in nothing except in something you seen and hear”

It doesn’t take guts, it simply takes brains and common sense

But you say you don’t believe in anything, so you claim you do not believe in anything, we Christians believe in something, so I consider you guys a religion Also, I don’t get “brownie points” in heaven, thats not the Christian Way, the Christian Way is believing in The Trinity and helping as many as you can. That doesn’t mean you get points for the “ticket”. But you guys got guts, believing in nothing except in something you seen and hear (and yada yada yada) Like I said before, You win, everyone is screwed, if I win, you’re screwed

Atheism a religion? Wrong smart guy. Atheism is a simple lack of belief in superstition and deities. Atheism has no ideology. Atheism has no set doctrine. No two atheists are the same.

Atheism work for the good of others because of kindness and generosity, not because they will earn brownie points with the creator of the universe so they can get a ticket to some LaLa Land in the clouds after they die.

Atheists generally prefer to believe what they can see, taste, smell, touch, feel and hear. Concrete evidence tends to, you know, help the credibility factor? They often use rationale and logic, as opposed to taking books of ancient mythology and legend as fact.

Cowgirl is right, Aethiesm is considered a religion. Hehe, I gotta admire a man that has 10x more faith then all of us Cause, if your right, we’re all screwed, if we are right, you’re screwed.

Hey Paul, I have a question for you. You say how stupid it is to give our hearts and minds to anything. But aren’t you kinda giving YOUR heart and mind to atheism?? That’s personally what it seems like to me. You are so dead set in NOT believing in God that you seem a little obsessed with it. Don’t tell us what isn’t and is stupid b/c I don’t think you’re in the position to, as wise as you might think you are. Have a great day!
CG4J

Yo Paul! Why do you attack us christians? Why do ya attack one Teenmania for what it is trying to do? Why?

Teresa@,
You are just another exampe of someone who has bought into Sunsara Taylor’s lies! Battle Cry isn’t about PHYSICAL battles at all. If you get your Bible and turn to Ephesians 6:10-18, THAT is the Battle that Ron Luce is talking about!!

People this is NOT a physical battle!! It’s a SPIRITUAL battle. Most of these statements WERE made at the Battle Cry event. They’re not talking about getting up, grabbing guns, and going to war. They’re talking about giving not only your hearts but your MINDS to God.

PLEASE check the facts before you go bashing Battle Cry, people.

i do NOT agree with ron luce.

I WILL NOT! step up and FIGHT and be a physical warrior..
i am not religious, but i do belive that Jesus Christ is my savior.

We’re called to serve and love others.. not to bash!
whoever ed raby is… keep going!
ALL PRAISE BE TO G-D!

Wow. I am BEYOND sickened reading this stuff. Is this all y’all have time to do is sit around hating on people all day? No offense, but...that seems pretty immature to me.

I’ve been reading some of your arguments against Battle Cry/Teen Mania. After reading Sunsara Taylor’s article, a lot of them would seem pretty rational but what about Sunsara Taylor. Since she obviously doesn’t seem to believe in absolute truth, or morals of any kind, is her word to be trusted? My suggestion is go to a Battle Cry event and see for yourself. At least if you have the guts....how many of you have the guts to get off of your computers and actually go see for yourself?? I, for one, have been to 2 Acquire the Fire events and I have heard a lot of the same stuff that Ms. Taylor twisted and took out of context for her article. It was said alright, but...without a belief in absolute truth, let’s just say that Ms. Taylor doesn’t believe in TELLING the truth.

I’m not hating anyone...I’m just telling you to get off of your computers and get out there and do something. If you feel that strongly get out there and do something about it. Go see what Battle Cry is all about.
God bless you guys!
CG4J

OK! I am really pumped to defend. (Hello Paul & Rob)I heard some interesting stuff today.

*Funny how the lewd, crude, vulgar and