Impeachment?

I’m surprised you people haven’t taken up arms against this domestic enemy.

Of course things will get worse.  Remember please the old biblical saying “reapeth as you soweth”. Ugh, think what we must have awaiting us growing out of the murky entangled garden of Bush & Company.  There’s also that elephant in our national living room regarding the fact that 70 million people do not believe the “official” version of the 9/11 story.  That’s according to the most recent Zogby poll. 70 million!!! Why that isn’t headlines I don’t understand but the media, including this web site & Ms Ivins, won’t touch that story with a barge pole when in fact it is the only story of consequence since everything follows in the wake of 9/11.  Get worse?? Now it is only dusk, the darkness is yet to come.

They should be tried for war crimes, Begin by freezing all of our Congressional legislation, concentrate on cleaning up this mess that has be brought on us by these sociopaths. Nothing happens until we get the right course and right crew and Captain of this ship before we start legislating again. That goes for immigration as well. The government we have now is not governing for the benefit of the people of the United States. They are on a wild binge, and will not stop unless we call a halt to it. This goes for both parties, hold re-elections now and replace every dam one of them. Forget the long drawn out impeachment process, investigate with all new people and try the quilty ones for what ever crimes they have commited in a world court.
I never thought I would have to say that I was embarressed to be an American. But it has sadly come to that. The world sees us for what we have become. I would rather that they see us for what we will become. Eisenhower http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ike.htm
warned us about this forty five years ago, but we let it happen by our blind patriotism, and manipulation by the sociopathic cream that always rises to the top, and never goes away.

I know this is a wild rant, but I am so dam disgusted and ashamed of what we have become.

So I thank you and Good night.

Rabblerowzer suggests that Republicans are establishing fascism because it’s in their nature. I know it’s not fashionable to quote Lenin, but I think he was right when he said that fascism is the final stage of imperialism. We have two parties, one is the Fascists and the other is the Enablers. Both are unequivocably committed to Empire, both have furthered and extended it, and will continue to do so. Nevertheless, as someone said in the 60’s—with regard to civil liberties—the difference between the two is that when one is in a tank filling with water to the ceiling, the Dems will leave a breathing space at the top so you don’t drown. The Reps will just fill it right up. That’s about all we have to look forward to, folks. With one major caveat: The Empire is now in such dire monetary straits that it is in imminent danger of total bankruptcy. In fact, if the dollar weren’t the world’s reserve currency it would be bankrupt already. The havoc that would wreak on Americans would be horrendous, but I submit they have it coming. Plus, no more money for war. Hooray!

John Conyers has said that Bush could be impeached retroactively.  Let him finish his term, THEN impeach him.

Please don’t forget the crimes committed on Sept eleventh. This should be included in any articles of impeachment. The actions of the administration were blatently obvious. There is ample physical evidence and testimony to show that this was an inside job. We need to honor the families of the victims by demanding that this administration come clean with the public. Impeachment starts with 9/11!

Some keep saying that the democrats have
no alternatives to what we have with the
fanatics in power now, but think about it.

the truth is, any democrat that stands up
to speak out on the issues, is swiftboated
before they finish speaking. The slime machine
is in almost total control of mainstream
media, and once a democrat make themself a
target, they are vilified without letup.

The choice is clear, vote for the current
Theocratic Republicans, or vote these
fanatics out, and hope for the best. You
can be sure the status quo will destroy
what remains of the Republic. So anything
is better than what you have now. If your
lame enough to vote status quo, you deserve
the police state they have set up for you.

If impeachment would look like payback, it would only do so in the eyes of right-wing ideologues, Bushie true believers, and spineless chicken hawks whose minds can’t be changed anyway. Unfortunately, impeachment wouldn’t come close to meting out the justice Bush deserves.  Although infinitely less practical, it would certainly be far more just to put Bush in a uniform (he likes playing “dress-up”), slap an M-16 in his hands and march him out in front of a rifle squad to take point on patrol through the streets of Ramadi.  Then our tough-talking “war president” could show us all what it really means to “stay the course.”  I’ve already served my time as an infantryman, and I’m 4 years older than Bush, but I’d be willing to sign up for another tour if I could be on that patrol to see just how many seconds it would take before that swaggering, gutless little weasel would mess his britches and start running.

GOD HELP US ALL.

Molly, thanks for speaking truth to power, albeit, corrupt power.  With so few media types taking on the neocons these days, your light shining in dark corners is sorely needed.  Regarding your query, can things get any worse, conjures up all sorts of scenarios.  Hopefully, the Republicans will just limp off stage.  But it’s hard to imagine that these hawks will willingly give up their power without a major struggle.  With the prospect of impeachment or being tried for war crimes, not including a real investigation into 9/11, do you really think that they will consider abdicating any iota of power??  I guess I lived in Florida too long.  Florida and Texas dominated by the Bush Family. I saw up close and personal the dirty dealings of these people.  Lies, corruption and murder are all within their realm of possibilities.  They make their money from oil and arms dealing.  When is someone going to take on Carlyle and the Bushes connection to the war industry?  No wonder Bush said the War on Terror would go on forever.  Their investments arm both sides of any battle.  The Democrats never had a chance against these hawks because the game changed. It was the Dr. Strangelove cult now running the country.  We’re in really sticky waters now.  Who would have thought this could happen in America.

Hell, they are already getting worse! One of the latest shots at the American people is that our illustrious attorney general now threatens to jail reporters who dare to report the illegalities of the this administration. This is from an administration that can’t shoot straight because of arrogance. Remember ole Dick’s hunting trip? Careless people generally shoot themselves in the foot; arrogant ones simply shot someone else in the face!

Desperate people do desperate things.  Bush and co are going to get hammered in the November elections, which will lead to impeachement hearings.  To stop this the Republicans have to turn to their two winning strategies, tax cuts and killing people.  They just did the tax cuts and got nothing for it in the polls.  The next logical step is the killing to get people rallying around the flag.  Iran will have to be hit hard so there will be lots of cool explosions on tv.  I’m afraid that Iran is going to be a case of a losing gambler doubling his bet.

Go-Molly-Go!!!!

This unholy administration has so destroyed the remnants of FDR’s “New Deal” that we DO have to fear Fear itself!  Fear and Terror are the trademarks of the entire 6-year run of the Bush “Illegitimacy”!!!(I mean really, YOU DO have to elected in the first place to be a REAL PRESIDENT, now don’t you?!!!)
I honestly believe these tax-cuts for the wealthy and oil company maga-profits are just ways for these right-wingNUTS to stuff their pockets and acquire as much as they can while George W. “DumbAss” is there to allow it. . . So when “Whoever” shows up to rectify and ,God-willing, call a halt to this madness, they all will slither off their private islands or South American estates and gloat at what they have gotten away with.  How else could ANYONE justify such actions during wartime, especially since HE STARTED THE WAR!!!!!
This reckless, self-serving administration has Spit-in-the-Face of it’s own people. . . And “We the People” have been standing for it and allowing it!  We watch the wealthy get richer while WE get poorer and more powerless with each passing day!  We are letting him/them continue with a war that weakens and kills our precious youth, which dashes their hopes and futures.
WHY ARE “WE THE PEOPLE” LETTING THIS GO ON?!!
I don’t want to see Bush impeached—I want to see him behind bars . . . I want to live to see the history books, with rich detail, explain that the years 2000-2008 were they darkest that the great United States had ever seen, because a man who had no business being our president created “Terror”, mistrust, monumental debt,a war that crippled the nation and empowered the richest 10% of it’s people, and made our society forever despise it’s government for letting him get away with it!  He BOUGHT his way in and WE LET HIM DO IT!!
WE HAVE THE POWER TO STOP THIS!  WHY DON’T WE?  JS

Thanks Molly and how about the five years we’ve wasted not researching embryonic stem cells? Check it out.

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John

Can things get any worse?  Don’t say that, bite your tongue. Bush will think of something.  Those shameless, embarrasing, flip flopping republicans.

Sorry, how about prison?  Not only for Bush for all the criminals who have traded our countries ability to be a positive force in the world for   greenbacks and otherwordly fantasy.  Lets start with looking at torture, then maybe profiteering, an illegal and immoral war, etc. Lying low is the last thing we Dems need to do if somehow we can pull this off (remember election rigging is a specialty of Bush and friends).  Throw teh book at Bush and throw it hard I say.

Yes Molly things got worse 26 million vets( I am one of them) have had their social Securiety numbers stolen.I would like to know the name of the jerk who took that disc home with him to be conveniently stolen. I am sure he or she was a Bush cronie or   relative of one. It is just more incompetence of this administration they should all go to jail for destroying our nation. Impeachment is to lenient.

De-horn the little chicken livered moron and try them all for war crimes.

I think impeachment would be the way to go, impeach Chaney also, Condi would be better than Bush.

Marge, Portland, Or.

How can it be that because the Republicans used impeachment for petty and partisan purposes the remedy is not available for its intended purpose?  If Bush is not impeached it will set the precedent that the president IS above the law, CAN mislead congress to launch wars of choice, and is fundamentally NOT responsible to anyone.

As a matter of strategy, we lefties should be talking up impeachment to lay the groundwork, but we don’t want to actually succeed until January.  Come January and a Democratic House of Representatives, we need a full investigation by the House.  Although most of us think there are plenty of grounds for impeachment already, we will need to convince more than a few Republican senators for impeachment to be successful.  Also, we want to leave a clear historical record.

I suspect that Cheney is actually more culpable than Bush.  But if impeaching President Bush leaves us with a President Cheney so be it.  The important thing is to reestablish the principles that have guided our nation for its first 200 years.

I too have been a Molly Ivins fan for a long time, and this comment is not meant to be seen in a critical way…but…

I see no reason why, if it were possible, that both Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney should not be impeached. If Mr. Bush is guilty of high crimes and I believe that he is, then Mr. Cheney is even more so.

Assuming Democratic control after next November, the House will elect a new Speaker, this person need not be a Member of the House. The Speaker does not vote as the Speaker, but only as a Member of the House, if a Member. There is always an odd number of Members so no “tie breaker” is required. Oprah could be elected Speaker. Or Al Gore… or anybody…
In Jan of 2007, the House votes to impeach Mr. Cheney. The Senate shall try him and will not confirm any Bush appointed VP after Cheney’s conviction as by that time the President will have been impeached and awaiting trial in the Senate. Upon the conviction of the President, sometime in March or April, the Speaker shall become President. Upon the taking of the Oath, the House will select a new Speaker and the new President shall appoint, subject to Senate confirmation, a new VP.

See, the Founders distrusted the Strong Executive…So do I…They left us an escape hatch from tyranny, we should use it.

R.G. Johnson/Dallas112263

I agree with the first comment posted by Matt Miller. In a perfect world, Bush, Cheney, and all the major Secretaries would be charged with Crimes Against Humanity and brought to trial at The Hague.

We do not have to vote for either a Republican or a Democrat.  There are other parties out there. Bernie Sanders in Vermont is an Independent and one of the few in Congress that I respect.
There is no point in voting for a Democrat whose views are the same as the Republican that he is running against.  I voted for Kerry and I regret it. I will never vote for a pro war candidate again and if you don’t believe in war for fun and profit, you shouldn’t either

Impeachment is not enough. Once impeached, the entire administration has to be brought to trial for violating their oath of office - i.e. to uphold the Constitution. They should also be brought to the Hague to stand trial for torture, murder and crimes against humanity.

Even the entire Bush administration does not bear all of the guilt. Where were the Democrats? and the dedicated, patriotic Republicans? Our legislators aided and abetted the crimes committed by this administration.

Molly - During George’s first election, I read your biography, which was his pathetic resume for president.  It was informative to get the real story from someone closely familiar with Texas politics.  In it you lay out the history of man that has contempt for goverance, no imagination and serious mental issues, such as his forty years of drinking and self esteem issues.  By the last chapter, I was frightened to death that this man was to lead this country.  After all, it’s not like running a baseball team.

In you final chapter (which I think was added on after the election) you tried to calm your readers by saying that George Bush couldn’t possibly damage this country as badly as he damaged Texas. 

Well Molly, do you still feel that way?

All I’m saying is that you underestimated George’s ability to be cruel and destructive before when you thought you had the whole story.  Maybe you should think about that before you make any more predictions as to his actions.

Molly,

Do NOT think it a “wreckage” yet. Unfortunetly, their boat is stil afloat. They are like the Titanic, but with enough life boats and better navigation. From this minute until the next elections the pressure, the communication, in short, “The Good Fight”, must continue. Nay, must intensify! The old saying goes: Don’t kick a man when he’s down. I would update that saying thus: ...unless he would kick you when down. Since they have already kicked us…

It is time for an old fashioned ass kickin.

“Can things get any worse?” I think is a question both parties are terrified to ask aloud. From Abu Ghraib to Illegal Immigration, it seems to be one mess up after another. I wouldn’t be surprised if impeachment eventually becomes a reality or if this coming Hurricane season is even worse than last year’s. I’m not a big fan of Bill Clinton but I think George W. Bush is worse than Clinton. At least under Clinton there was no outsourcing of torture, faulty Iraq war intel, or warrantless wiretapping. I hate to say it but the bumper sticker I saw that says “When Clinton lied, no one died” is very true. I think comedian Lewis Black put it best; “The Republicans are a party of bad ideas, the Democrats are a party of no ideas”.

I have to disagree with Ms. Ivin with whom I am usually in agreement. I think Congress should be able to do more that chew gum and walk at the same time. In this context that means holding hearings on Bush’s monumental deceptions for war and passing legislation on important issues like global warming.

The Republicans certainly did trivialize the impeachment process, but it remains the only constitutional means to remove an administration that behives like a RICO prior to 2008. Bush and his band have committed serious offenses against our form of republican government.  To “cut a deal” with Republicans for political leverage would trivialize our Constitution.

After hearings,committee votes and a trial, Cheney will be a few weeks away from an inaugration ceremony.  He may be mad, but he can be controlled, even if it means strapping him to a bed in Bethesda.

Throw the bums out, or throw in the towel and emigrate to Belize or some other out of the way spot and watch from a safe distance the disintigration of a once great nation into a weak shadow of itself.

These people are fascists, pure and simple. “Conservative” is naught but a cover for their creeping evil.

Sociopaths have the best chances of surviving and prospering in a liberal society. Unbound by any sense of decency or moral restraint they are in a position to take advantage of all the rights and freedoms that a quasi-democratic society offers while preying on their law abiding peers. So why are Republicans so determined to establish fascism?

Fascist states are by their very nature subject to the whims of a sociopath elite all to willing to indiscriminately kill millions out of paranoia. Sociopaths are cunning and one would think they would realize they live in the best of all possible environments.

So why are Republicans so determined to establish fascism?

Because it’s their nature.

Everything will get worse and nothing can be done about it.  Turn off the TV, radio and computer and stop reading books, newspapers and magazines.  Prepare for all the disasters you can imagine and spend your last days with friends & family.  Try to pretend everything is fine.  Wouldn’t that be nice?

Unfortunately, I don’t think George Bush needs the support of the country to start a war with Iran. All he needs is to keep Rumsfeld in charge and some Generals who place loyalty to following orders above the best interests of the United States, and the world…

If a President does and says all the same things about a country (Iran) as he did a previous country he attacked (Iraq), why expect the results to be different, especially with a President who proudly refuses to learn from his mistakes.

Dream on, Molly.  By whatever means necessary, including marial law, the Republicans will maintain control.  You want planning for war, forget it.  You want planning for an election, Republicans are your guys.  It can ONLY get worse.  Sorry.

“It seems to me pointless to impeach Bush. In the first place, the Republicans so trivialized impeachment into partisan piffle it would look like little more than payback.”

And what is wrong with payback?

Reading about the sins of the bushies is fun, but does not change things. To cause a change, there has to be a vision. I am still waiting for the Democrats to come up with a unified vision. A good example of a vision is “seeing” things differently. The commentator who doubts the American public’s willingness to make sacrifices is right. I have never made a sacrifice in my 77 years on this planet. I have made investments, some of which gave me a nice return, while others were real bummers. My taxes are investments, some of which are promoting the welfare of the nation, while others merely line someone’s pockets. I may invest in efforts to reduce misfeasance and malfeasance by getting involved in voter activity. My efforts are investments, not sacrifices.

The linguist George Lakoff has it right: it’s all a matter of wording. 

By all means continue to indict the bushies, but how about offering practical remedies?

There is only one problem with your “best-case scenario”, Molly.  If the Democrats do take control of one house of congress and try to do what is right for the country regarding taxes, spending, and global warming, they will get hammered by the electorate in 2008.  Why?  Because all of these three areas will require sacrifices by the people, big sacrifices because of the irresponsibility of the repubs has exacerbated the problems.  And if there is one thing the American public will no longer tolerate it is sacrifice.  (What? Me give up my gas guzzler AND pay higher taxes? You must be a Godless communist!) The public also has a short memory and won’t remember that it was Repub incompetence and corruption that caused the problems.  The Dems will be blamed for everything that is wrong and be voted our of power.  I hate having to say this because I wish it weren’t true.  But I think it is.

Here in California we have a provision for recalling an elected governor for no worse than being boring.  Since Congress is unwilling to utilize the recall provision already written into the Constitution, can we have an amendment to provide for recall by special election?

They will not go quietly.  They wished for their PNAC “Pearl Harbor” and got it; they fouled up Iraq so adroitly that couldn’t have been by mistake; they turned a storm on the Gulf Coast into a laboratory for ethnic cleansing and expropriation; they have locked up our major print and electronic media to the point at which they can essentially get away with anything;...

I’m basically at the point at which no conspiracy theory is too outrageous.  When British agents dressed as “Arabs” are caught by Iraqi police with a remote control car bomb, and subsequently sprung from an Iraqi jail with British tanks, then something is afoot. 

And what about that long-awaited film of the “airliner” hitting the pentagon? It shows noting.  Where’s the film from the Citgo station across the street?  Where is the film that would have been produced by any reasonable modicum of security that one might expect from the military headquarters of the world’s most powerful nation? Nada.

Before the Bush administration hands over control to anyone outside of their conspiracy, they will make a monstrous move to stay in power.  I think the “terrorist attacks” would begin late this summer, before the midterms - but maybe they have a contingency to ride through a Democratic sweep of congress and wait until 2008.  Perhaps they feel sure that some burning buildings and dead Americans - how about an outbreak of “Bird flu”? - will facilitate their shutting down of congress despite who is in charge.  They’re probably right.

Things can get worse, unfortunately, for our children and grandchildren who will bear the burden of the idiocy of the past six years.
 
For the likes of Mr. Bush, Mr. Rove, and Mr. Delay my only desire is that they get what they deserve.

No doubt many would see impeachment of Bush as payback for Clinton’s impeachment. However, I think that concern is outweighed by a much larger consideration: justice.

This is among the most venal, corrupt, destructive and lawless administrations in the history of the US. It has tirelessly worked to undermine the very principles this nation was founded upon. It has ruined our global reputation and made our future incredibly precarious. And that is just judging by what we know. Since it is also one of the most secretive administrations ever, there is much we do not know.

These people make Nixon look like a man of principle, but due to the inexcusable complicity of much of the mainstream press, you have to have been paying attention to know that. I hope once the Bush administration’s crimes are exposed in a forum such as a congressional investigation and in such lurid detail that even Fox News cannot spin it, people will realize how much more serious it is than Clinton’s penchant for skirt chasing.

Finding the truth demands investigations, and if investigations lead to the impeachment of Bush, so be it. The idea of a President Cheney certainly is scary, but a thorough investigation shouldn’t leave him in any position to take over either. Would Condi be up next? I could live with that.

I’m looking forward to the upcoming November mid-term elections with equal amounts of anticipation and dread.  Although I would love to see the neocons and fundamentalist Christian influenced Republicans swept out of offive, I don’t feel too inspired by the Democrat alternatives.  With rare exceptions (Jack Murtha, Russ Feingold) nobody in the Democratic party has spoken up against the President with a clear voice.  Molly Ivins is correct; it’s only goingto get worse because we have an administration composed of a gang that can’t shoot straight, a spineless press, a cynical and complecent citizenry too easily swayed by negative political ads and a Democratic party desperately trying to shed its liberal roots and seeking a triangulated center.