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Posted on May 11, 2006
World Can't Wait protests against BattleCry
From worldcantwait.net

Protesters allied with the anti-Bush organization The World Can’t Wait attempt to drown out a March 26 rally by the anti-gay Christian evangelical group BattleCry. The rally occurred on the steps of San Francisco’s City Hall, where homosexual couples had been married.

By Sunsara Taylor

Editor’s note: In this opinion piece, a young activist explores the frightening world of a Christian evangelical youth movement that is holding rock concerts and rallies at city halls nationwide this weekend.

(First column a series of three. Second column here, third column here.)

  • Update: Read what BattleCry attendees are saying about this series of columns.
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  • Update #2: User-submitted photos available: page 1 and page 2

  • If you?ve been waiting to get alarmed until the Christian fascist movement started filling stadiums with young people and hyping them up to do battle in ?God?s army,? wait no longer. 

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    In recent weeks, BattleCry, a Christian fundamentalist youth movement, has attracted more than 25,000 people to mega-rally rock concerts in San Francisco and Detroit, and this weekend it plans to fill Wachovia Stadium in Philadelphia.

    The leaders of BattleCry claim that their religion and values are under attack, but amid spectacular light shows, Hummers, Navy SEALs and military imagery on stage, it is BattleCry that has declared war on everyone else. Its leader, Ron Luce, insists: ?This is war. And Jesus invites us to get into the action, telling us that the violent—the ?forceful? ones—will lay hold of the kingdom.? 

    BattleCry is a part of the evangelical organization Teen Mania, and you can learn a lot about the kind of society that Teen Mania is fighting for by reading up on its Honor Academy, a non-accredited educational institution that offers directed internships to 700 undergraduate and graduate youth each year. Among the academy?s tenets: Homosexuality and masturbation are sins. Interns are forbidden to listen to secular music, watch R-rated movies or date; men can?t use the Internet unsupervised; the length of women?s skirts is regulated. The logic behind this—that men must be protected from the sin of sexual temptation—is what drives Islamic fundamentalists to shroud women in burkhas!

    Teen Mania and BattleCry are multimillion-dollar operations that send more than 5,000 missionaries to more than 34 countries each year. Their supporters and members are some of the most powerful and extreme religious lunatics in the country. BattleCry?s ?partners? include Pat Robertson (who got a call from Karl Rove to discuss Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito before the nomination was made public), Charles Colson (who as President Richard Nixon’s lawyer was knee-deep in the Watergate scandal and who went to jail for obstruction of justice in the Pentagon Papers case), and Jerry Falwell (who blamed Sept. 11 on homosexuals, feminists, pagans and abortionists). BattleCry?s events have been addressed by former First Lady Barbara Bush (via video) as well as former President Gerald Ford. This weekend?s event will include Franklin Graham, who has ministered to George W. Bush and publicly proclaimed that Islam is an ?evil religion.?

    What most of these figures have in common is their insistence that the Bible be read literally and obeyed as the inerrant word of God. And, because Ron Luce leads youth to say in prayer, ?I will keep my eyes on the battle, submitting to Your code even when I don?t understand,” it would be foolish to expect that there is any part of the Bible?s literal horrors this movement would be unwilling to enforce, including stoning disobedient children and non-virgin brides (Deuteronomy 21:18-21 and 22:13-21), executing gays (Leviticus 20:13), and keeping slaves (Peter 2:18).

    Luce’s followers staged a protest in March on the steps of San Francisco?s City Hall because gay weddings had taken place there. Their answer to the scourge of rape and violence against women is to end the right of divorce, spread ignorance and insist on virginity -? the very things that will entrap more women in these nightmares. And this Friday, they are planning rallies at 50 city halls nationwide.

    Of course, like the president, who gave Ron Luce an appointment to the White House Advisory Commission on Drug-Free Communities, BattleCry tells its share of bald-faced lies. For one, it claims that ?a society fortified by Biblical principals and a strong moral code ... is the heritage our forefathers fought and died to secure for us.? But the word “God” never appears in the Constitution. After three and a half months of debate about what should go into the document that would govern the land, the framers drafted a secular constitution.

    BattleCry also claims America has been ?set aside for God?s purposes -? a country established for good and fruitfully blessed so that we might take God?s message to the ends of the earth.? It is revealing that for all its talk about the value of life and the evils of violent imagery, BattleCry never speaks against the real violence and loss of life being inflicted by U.S. troops in Iraq.

    Still, there is one thing that BattleCry gets right: This country is in the midst of a deep moral crisis. We are indeed living through times when business-as-usual is unconscionable.

    As the Bush regime wages unjust wars and conducts torture in our names, as it leaves New Orleans to rot and drags us closer each day to a theocracy in which abortion and birth control are banned, science is pulled under and gays are persecuted, it is no wonder that young people are searching for meaning and morality. However, the truth is that youth will not find the morality they need in a stadium listening to Ron Luce preach about religious war and intolerance. And they won?t find it while buying BattleCry?s keepsake dog tags. 

    These young people need to be challenged to look around themselves and think for themselves. 

    I am confident that if they do, many of them may find that the truly moral way to live is to throw their tremendous energies and dreams of a better world into stopping this madness and driving out the Bush regime.

    This generation ?- and its counterparts around the world -? will have to live with the consequences of this culture war, one way or another.


    Sunsara Taylor writes for Revolution newspaper and sits on the advisory board of The World Can?t Wait—Drive Out the Bush Regime.


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    By cowgirl4jesus, May 12, 2007 at 10:22 pm Link to this comment
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    This article is basically a bunch of lies. I have been to 2 battle cry events. whoever wrote this article has taken lines from Luce and has twisted them way out of proportion. This basically reminds me of the quote, “Don’t believe anything you hear and only half of what you see.” It is SO important to check things out for yourself.

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    By AJ, May 12, 2007 at 9:43 pm Link to this comment
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    *sigh*

    I know I will not sway your mind by myself, I am going to “bug out” of this board for I don’t want to blow a vein due to anger and sadness. Just hear this, I will pray for you, I will ask my whole church to pray. For I don’t want to see any of you go to Hell (should I be right}. One sad expierience that will be

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    By Concerned Youth, May 12, 2007 at 6:45 pm Link to this comment
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    Now Paul, can you please give us EXACT examples of each of those “Fascist Characteristics” in BattleCry activities?

    It looks like you’ve obviously never been to one of these events. You’re assuming that BattleCry is a threat to society because youth actually stand for what they believe. Last time I checked, everyone has the freedom of religion in the US, so I don’t know why people are so opposed to Christians congregating together and worshipping God.

    The argument that “BattleCry is trying to forcefully and manipulatively convert others,” is completely false. It is true that they are trying to reach out to people who don’t believe in God/Christ, but they aren’t trying to convert them in a harmful or aggressive way. BattleCry attenders are simply speaking their faith and the things they believe in, which they have every right to do, just as you have the right to congregate with other people and express your ideas on religion.

    I’m sorry if you have a problem with the Bill of Rights.

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    By AJ, May 12, 2007 at 3:35 pm Link to this comment
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    I am sorry ya belive in that. There are people that are glad to be part of them. It may sound like that but ya must have a heart for God to understand. What ya say is very compelling, but I don’t want to become a person that is bitter all the time and takes it out on like, Muslims, Buhdists etc etc (Like Sunsara Taylor). I want to be one of the people that belives in life and has hope, I want to be a person that is willing to reach out to people in their time of need. Not criticize them when they slip in words or fall into the dark. But I have a question to ask you, Why do you follow this fanatic?

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    By Paul, May 12, 2007 at 1:58 pm Link to this comment

    The BattleCry/Teen Mania organizations are called fascist because, in practise, they meet most of the hallmarks of fascist regimes - the only thing missing is actual government power.

    Fascism, in general, and Battle Cry are both characterized by:

    1. Powerful and continuing nationalism
    2. Disdain for the recognition of human rights
    3. Identification of enemies or scapegoats as a unifying cause
    4. Focus on militant themes
    5. Sexism and gender discrimination
    6. Intertwining government and religion
    7. Disdain for intellectualism and science

    http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

    BattleCry is a fascist organization, although its participants may not actually consider themselves fascists.  They are being duped by well-known techniques of mass manipulation and mind control.  Even regular ‘good’ folks easily go along with immoral things when the Jesus-idea is used as the primary means of control and influence.

    My own teenagers enjoy the church youth groups and are acolytes in the church, but they are wise enough to shun fascist organizations with evil missions like BattleCry.  Thank God for that!  But, there are many other less stable young folks out there who are easy targets for con men like Ron Luce.

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    By AJ, May 12, 2007 at 8:40 am Link to this comment
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    Actually, I am part of Battlecry, Battlecry is mainly for standing up against what this world has thrown at us. This world has really became a pool of despair, teens are taking drugs, having sex, looking up pornography everyday. There seems to be a problem with this society, that is what Battlecry is for. smile

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    By ty, May 11, 2007 at 4:10 pm Link to this comment
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    Maybe your not facist AJ, but that does not mean the Battle Cry isn’t. Have you ever heard the saying “guilty by association”. You may not personally discriminate agaisnt gays or other ethnicities, but you support an orginization that does.

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    By AJ, May 11, 2007 at 9:38 am Link to this comment
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    WHY are you people calling us facists??? A facist is a person who forces ideas on other people, what are you doing? We haven’t attacked you, and people who have attacked you are surely not right, they are not a christian. It really makes me sad that you are all insulting us for our religion, calling us terrorists cause someone that has a screwed up mind says we are and everyone starts beliving. So please, we are people JUST like you, we have feelings and you have feelings. I cannot go a single day without being insulted for being a “facist”, it takes a toll on me, I am on the bring of sanity because of how cruel you people are to me and friends. Please

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    By Paul, May 8, 2007 at 8:05 pm Link to this comment

    Good example, Ty.

    The following is a cut/paste from my other comments on a related Truthdig article, including some other alarming statements from this fascist organization:

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    Many religious folks will inevitably go along with anything, if a charismatic leader couches his program in Jesus-talk. They can be made to give away their money for the benefit of their leaders, exclude other good people, and even kill others in the name of Jesus. This has been going on for thousands of years.

    Ron Luce does not try to hide the fact that his is a militant hate-group that wants to control young minds.  He wants to strip each victim of his personality, will, and reason.  He uses the Jesus idea as a brainwashing tool.

    Here are some quotes from Luce, “quotes that should scare you shitless”:
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    http://audiolight.livejournal.com/323595.html

    “We’re an army of God and we’re ready to die…. Let’s paint this big ol’ town red…. We see nothing but the blood of Jesus….”

    “pew-sitters ... passive Christians ... the Christians who just want love, joy, peace ... [are the problem]”

    “you’ve been amongst pew-sitters—watered-down Christians. Welcome to the reign of total submission to the Lord.”

    “He doesn’t just want to be in your heart, He wants to own your heart… There’s only one good reason to come to Christ: because He’s the rightful owner of your life…. You don’t have to know much about Jesus, just enough to surrender your whole life.”
    ————————————-

    This type of thing is harmful to individuals and to society as a whole.

    Paul

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    By Ty, May 8, 2007 at 5:49 pm Link to this comment
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    I would first like to address claims stating that Battle Cry does not inhibit or antagonize groups of people or ethnicities. It would seem clear that protesting gay rights and marriages would be in the “zone” of antagonizing a group of people. In fact, an highly-ranked evangelical official was quoted saying:

    (San Francisco) “I would execute gays only if we catch them indulging in sodomy,” Gary DeMar, popular Christian evangelical minister is quoted in the December, 2005 issue of Mother Jones. DeMar, who casually condemns millions, envisions sinners in line for the death penalty. [1]

    It is radical statements such as these that make me fear the idea of battly cry and the idea of theocracy it hopes to impose. But who does Battle Cry instill with these radical statements?...none but the American Youth, who are highly suspectible to being spoon fed learned emotional attitudes, learned emotional attitudes that don’t have room for ethnicities that fall outside of the White Right Winged Christian, or so say Jonathan Jenkins, “We are uniting together to stand up for this generation against things we don’t believe in, we are for a pure generation”. I wonder what Jenkins means by “PURE”?

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    By Beth, April 27, 2007 at 3:32 pm Link to this comment
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    The author of this article has it ALL wrong. Battle Cry is not calling Christian teens to act like a militant fighting force. It is more of a “spiritial” battle. If you have not been to an event, you don’t understand it. It is a gathering of people that have one purpose in common. They do not sit around bashing other religions or groups of people. They are there to learn more about their chosen religious practices. If they were Islamic or Jewish or Budhist, noone would say anything. But becuase they are CHRISTIAN, the author writes this negative piece. Christians will say that it is the devil using the words of this person to persuade others to feel the same way. It’s just part of the war. Not everyone will agree, and that’s okay. It’s just a shame that when it is too late, she will understand. Ron Luce believes in love and understanding, and the kids that attend these events are not his followers, they are followers of JESUS CHRIST.

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    By J.D, April 27, 2007 at 12:16 pm Link to this comment
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    You people should GROW UP and stop arguing. If you disagree with someone else’s opinion, LET IT GO. It’s THEIR OPINION, everybody is entitled to one, right? If some people refuse to believe in God, it’s their mistake, let them make it.

    In the end, if God happens to not exist, than atleast the believers will have lived a good life, but if there is, I’m sorry for those who don’t believe in God, you had your chance.

    Don’t get me wrong, I believe in God but I’m not about to pick a fight with someone who doesn’t agree with me. I’m just going to stick with my beliefs and ignore everyone else’s.

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    By super soviet, April 27, 2007 at 12:38 am Link to this comment
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    ive read over this whole thing and let me tell you its rediculouse yes this peice has its bias, every peice dose, but its far from misinformed and its no where near liable. (slander is spoken liable is writen) battle cry is just another movement lead by a prodestant demogauge, not all christians are obesssed with this warrior-cult ideology created by these men who shoudlnt be considered real christians. to all you who hate battle-cry youll persuade more people if you middle road this thing a little even if you are correct. and tot he defenders belive what you want to belive, but jesus taught to spead the faith threw example not a shouting match and stone throwing becuase your far from being the one without sin. id like everyone to keep in mind that on the oposite side we have a similergroup of people with oposite beliefs who belive they are just as right as we are. whether you belive in god or not i think everoyne can agree to make things better we have to be the change, lets do something constructive instead of throwing concerts and yelling (its up to you all to decide wether you agree with their ideology or not) if we realyl want to do something stop arguing live and let live (and i mean that to both sides)

    ps to everyone who noticed the communist reference in the name, the cold war is over im not a communist i just like to expose the ignorance of thouse who rally behind that pretense and expose the partisanship. good night and good luck

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    By Rob, April 26, 2007 at 6:30 pm Link to this comment
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    “Because God made them that way”

    Hahahahaha, hilarious

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    By Gary, April 26, 2007 at 5:08 pm Link to this comment
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    because God made them that way. maybe your the one needs a tattoo… not me.

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    By Rob, April 26, 2007 at 12:10 am Link to this comment
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    “why thank you! someone up here uses the brain God gave them correctly. if evolution was true, why do we still have monkeys. humans that got stuck? funny.”

    This is a classic argument of the creationists, and the best indicator that they know nothing about evolution. You might as well tattoo “JACKASS” on your forehead in bold lettering.

    Mind explaining to me why the skull structure of humans and primates is nearly identical except for the saggital crest in some species, the heavier brow and jaw and the more prominent canine dentition?

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    By Gary, April 25, 2007 at 7:53 pm Link to this comment
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    Paul dude get a life! you need alot of help. you say stuff but yet have nothing to back up what you say. you say this mess, but have you noticed how many have a comeback that actually makes sense?????? check your facts, cause obviuosly someone needs to stop lying to theirselves. -cough- its not me! ill will pray for you…

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    By Gary, April 25, 2007 at 7:44 pm Link to this comment
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    true we may not be able to convince you but that doesn’t mean we not going to pray for you and stop telling you what we believe. Jesus said tell the world, never in the bible did he tell us to keep our mouth shut about spreading his word. i haven’t this far and im not about to start.

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    By kelsie, April 25, 2007 at 4:54 pm Link to this comment
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    That’s okay,matt in san diego, I’m not offended. We want to ‘convert’ everyone, because we want everyone in heaven. Jesus said to tell everyone. We care about people enough to always keep on going until your saved. Though we can’t make you believe, that’s your choice. If we really have the love of God, you overflow, that’s the truth. We just can’t keepour mouth’s shut.

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    By Gary, April 25, 2007 at 3:41 pm Link to this comment
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    why thank you! someone up here uses the brain God gave them correctly. if evolution was true, why do we still have monkeys. humans that got stuck? funny.
    again im more than happy to discuss this further(:

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    By Rob, April 25, 2007 at 12:37 pm Link to this comment
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    Everyone let’s listen to Gary, because he’s smart enough to know that the only way to combat drug abuse, alcoholism and depression is Biblical literal translations

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    By Gary, April 25, 2007 at 7:16 am Link to this comment
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    omg! my goodness! yall people could not any more daft than an elephant stuck in a museam. how can you say something so stupid and so arrogant that is therefore demeaning towards other cultures! im going to pray for you that God will knock some sense into open minded apathetic head of yours. how can you say that something that has dramatically changed our youth today for the better is considered a bad influence and ‘they need to think for themselves’? how in the world can they think for themselves when they’re doped up on crack sitting in the middle of a street wondering where in the world they are and how they got there????? i have attented more than 6 ATF events and have been the happiest person i’ve been in years. did you know that nearly 50,000 teens have abortions every year? did you know that more than 70,000 have died at the fate of their own hands because they hurt so bad on the inside and have no one else to turn to because todays society will have nothing to do with them? do you know how many people have been abused in homes of America mainly from the influence of drugs and alcohol? Besides all of this, there is a media influenza. Tell me, how many times have you turned on the radio or TV and seen something that is not filled with sexual advertisements and no profanity? exactly! there’s a book called Media Virus! i suggest you read it before any of you declare something that has not been backed up. if you actually attend one of these “facist rock concerts”, you might learn something. if your right and im wrong then we both rit in the ground when dead. but if im right and your wrong, ill be in heaven but where will you be?
    ill be MORE THAN HAPPY to discuss this further….

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    By matt in san diego, April 25, 2007 at 12:30 am Link to this comment
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    I was just kidding.  I had to see how ridiculous it all sounded.  I got the expected reply though (no offense to you Kelsie), which was “no, don’t listen to that cult, we are the better cult/fairy tale/etc..”

    On a more serious note, why is Christianity(even Mormonism) so hell-bent of converting everyone?  Why not save yourself and leave the alleged heathens to answer for themselves when they take their final dirt nap?  Even the so called global threat of Islam does not recruit/convert like Christianity.  Ditto to Buddhism/Judaism.  If the future is already laid out in the book of revelations, why not just save yourself and stop your struggle? I almost said Jihad.

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    By Paul, April 24, 2007 at 10:20 pm Link to this comment

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    You superstitious young folks are missing the reality of the problem:  There are no gods.  When you die, you die.  The mythical stories you have taken to heart are no different from any other mythical tales.

    Remember that your religion is simply designed to make you feel good about yourselves.  It is used by a wide variety of organizations, including governments, to control your thoughts and actions.

    Remember, also, that good deeds and rational objections to societal problems can be accomplished without reliance on the bizarre and fantastical stories of religions.

    Ironically, I must thank the gods that my own teenagers do not think the way that y’all do about stories in old books.

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    By Kelsie, April 24, 2007 at 4:46 pm Link to this comment
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    Actually, matt in san diego, mormons believe different than us. I got curious once and found out a lot about this kind of stuff. We can talk if you want, I can give you my email.

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    By matt in san diego, April 22, 2007 at 9:33 pm Link to this comment
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    I love to talk about God and want to learn more.  I have a friend who wants me to go to her LDS church.  It’s mormon stuff but that’s still the teachings of Jesus so I figure it’s cool.  I want the sense of community.  Any thoughts?

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    By Concerned Youth, April 22, 2007 at 8:30 pm Link to this comment
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    There is no hatred, Paul!

    The kids at Battlecry are simply doing what you said…doing what “God asked you to do”...as in, trying to REACH OUT to others that are living in sin according to the Bible and Jesus’ teachings. Last time I checked, the kids at Battlecry weren’t stoning gay people. Many Christians simply stand up for what they believe is right, and if that is actually confronting people (in a loving way) then so be it. By all means, if a Christian starts screaming down someone’s throat and beating them up because they say they aren’t doing what God wants them to do, then obviously it’s wrong. You can’t blame God or Christianity for the actions of humans, because humans are sinful, every human is, no matter how hard they try not to be. Since the day that Adam and Eve ate from the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, all of humanity has been sinful. It is most Christians’ conviction to try and help others to see they are living in sin and darkness, just as they once were, but that there is forgiveness by the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, where their sins can and will be washed away and God will remember no more.

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    By Rob, April 22, 2007 at 6:58 pm Link to this comment
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    Okay Paul, I’ll see if I can get around to doing that….except that I’m a little tied up with what Zeus, Poseidon, Mithras, Athena, Baal, Hammurabi, Innana, Krishna, Wotan, Quetzalcoatl, Anubis, Osiris, Isis, Ra, Rama, Vishnu, Shiva, Sulis, the Jade Emperor, Tezcalipoca, Zhou, Yu, Odin, Thor, Loki and Sekmet asked me to do. So God’s gonna have to wait smile

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    By Paul, April 22, 2007 at 8:24 am Link to this comment
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    What is it that God asks of you? To obey His commands. YES. To love Him with ALL your heart and with ALL your soul and with ALL your mind, and to love your neighbour as yourself. YES. So why all this hatred? Just get on with what God asked you to do.

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    By Truthseeker, April 18, 2007 at 2:22 pm Link to this comment
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    To anyone who may think Battle Cry is a way for young kids to be brain washed your wrong.  These kids have a choice, and just as the Bible teaches God allows us to have choice.  If someone believes something other than the Bible we are not taught or led to hate or kill.  The Bible teaches us to love one another no matter what race or religion you may be.  People who disaprove of Battle Cry like to call us facist hipacrites.  They dont take time to understand who we are as followers of Christ.  We should love one another but we are not required to love someone for certain acts or things they do. But I still love you.  Here is a much easier way to put it for people who dont understand, your parents love you unconditnally and they will utill the day you die, you do somethings wrong that goes against there rules but in the end they still love you.

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    By waiting for scientific evidence, April 18, 2007 at 2:38 am Link to this comment
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    I for one welcome our clean-shaven anglo-saxon taliban overlords

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    By waiting for scientific evidence, April 18, 2007 at 2:37 am Link to this comment
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    I for one welcome our clean-shaven anglo-saxon taliban overlords!one!1

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    By undecided, April 18, 2007 at 2:36 am Link to this comment
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    I for one welcome our clean-shaven anglo-saxon taliban overlords!!!one!1

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    By treehuggin'hippy, April 17, 2007 at 5:42 pm Link to this comment
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    dude what’s with all the negativity???  Just as long as they don’t start a war or somethin’ it’s no big right???  i mean come on, the kids have somewhere to go, they’re not on the street getting hurt or knocked up and they have faith. 
    Of course I do have to raise an eyebrow at the whole dummy dissection thing they do…now thats just creepy. 
    In the end though, why is everyone biting eachother’s heads off over this???  as long as they don’t do anything illegal its all cool right?  everyone has a right to free speech, everyone has the right to choose for themselves.  i don’t care what anyone may say, i don’t believe in brainwashing…what kinda word is that anyway??  people receive information, process it, and then come to their own conclusions.  just because the rest of us may not agree with it doesn’t make it brainwashing…thats just a word people use when they don’t like what someone has turned into. 
    Besides, God doesn’t care how you perceive God just so long as you do.  Call God by any name you wish, split God into however many other gods you want, but God is still God.  And whatever we do, good or bad or in between, God knows.  I don’t believe in the Bible myself, but I think Jesus was a cool dude.  But seriously though?  I think he’d be kinda freaked out by the dissected dummy skit too.

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    By Ty, April 17, 2007 at 4:57 pm Link to this comment
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    BattleCry sounds quite similar to Nazism, and Luce reminds me of a corrupt demagogue. He seeks out teenagers who are susceptible and vulnerable to persuasion and then proceeds to instill in them the dire need to follow “God”, however it gets worse, not only must they believe in God, they must also establish a racist and fascist personality towards Muslims, Gays, and Non-conformists. He uses his honors academy as a stronghold to promote teens’ blind following of God, and disapproves and disallows of reading non-religious based books( sounds like he wants these kids to stay uneducated, also this sounds similar to the Nazis’ book burnings). How long is it till Luce begins calling for genocide? Afterall, he’s already calling for war?

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    By Truthseeker, April 17, 2007 at 12:56 pm Link to this comment
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    This is a prime example why its scary for people to think for themselves. I dont understand how you can get Lucifer from Luce! Its not close enough. Luce is Luce not Lucifer.  This would be no reason why America is at battle with its self.  Taking the meaning of a word or words way to far out of contex.
    Many of us make meaningless statements that only cause confusion.
    Last, let me make this statment “If your going to make a statement or have anything to say know your facts and be able to give a answer for anything that is asked to you”

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    By Kor, April 17, 2007 at 11:29 am Link to this comment
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    thank you “One teen”.. i think as for now.. nothing could change the worldly mind unless they do really seek god.. but i’ll help you prayfor taylor, also help me pray for our brothers and sisters whose out across the land doing god’s will.. i’ll keep you all in my prayers but i do your request to help pray with me. thank you

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    By onnah, April 16, 2007 at 10:18 pm Link to this comment
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    is it just me or has anyone ever noticed that their war loving leader’s last name is eerily similar to the nemesis he claims is corrupting today’s society??? let’s see…Luce….Lucifer…close enough for me, for the both seem to be saying the same thing-destroy in god’s name.  I just hope I don’t live long enough to see these poor people recreate the Burning Times…it looks as though they’ve already got one Crusade under their belt…what else would you call the war we wage today?  It’s a religious crusade with a political excuse, just like the old times.  Wake up people and think for yourselves for once!

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    By Rob, April 16, 2007 at 2:56 pm Link to this comment
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    Obviously she has attended BattleCry events

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    By Tiffany, April 15, 2007 at 7:33 pm Link to this comment
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    Since when are teenagers who love God a threat to society? What’s wrong with kids standing up for morals they believe in? The author of this article should attend a Battle Cry event because it is clear that they are very uninformed. Battle Cry is all about sharing the love of God. Isn’t that better than teenagers doing drugs and getting drunk? Battle Cry has a positive message that brings hope to the world. I love you even if you hate me and I’m praying that God fills you with His love so that you can feel as good as I do! God is alive in me!

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    By One Teen, April 15, 2007 at 4:18 pm Link to this comment
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    I’ll pray for you Sunsara Taylor. I think its obvious you need it.

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    By Truthseeker, April 15, 2007 at 2:36 pm Link to this comment
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    On the top of this page in the begining of a paragraph is says that the values and religion for which Battle Cry stands for are under attack. Could you please axplain how they are under attack, who they are under attack from.  Or better maybe I can explain for you, groups, organizations, media, and even Hollywood that use techniques of psychological persuasion and control, especially those that target the mindset of the superstitious, that is, those with ‘irrational beliefs arising from ignorance or fear, or greed.’
    Would the word “attack” be apropriate here, I think so!  Who is the one these organizations are targeting?  Todays youth, and we happen to be taking alot of heat.  What else are we suppose to do? Sit back and take it! I dont think so we have a a voice and just want to be heard.  Give us a break!

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    By Someone on Track, April 15, 2007 at 11:23 am Link to this comment
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    After reading this article I wanted to ponit out a flaw that botherd me. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe it said Christians should, “keep slaves (Peter 2:18)?” I looked this verse up and wasn’t suprised to find that the person who wrote this artcle must have been confused by its meaning. I guess though that if they won’t admit to being confused then they flat out lied. If that’s the case they twisted its meaning for the devils own use, which again, no suprise there. The entire chapter 2 of Peter talks about serving God. Also, that if a person is under the control of another that they should obey, even if their master is unjust. This will give the glory to God. Why not read Peter 2 for yourself and prove me wrong. I’m only 16 that shouldn’t be too hard to do…

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    By Rene, April 14, 2007 at 8:18 am Link to this comment
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    WORD FROM THE LORD

    VIA:

    Pray 4 Revival Youth Ministries

    “A Prophetic Voice to this Generation”

    http://www.pray4revivalyouth.com

    “And the Father would say I am raising up a prophetic generation in these last days that will cry out to Me wholeheartedly. This nameless/faceless generation is radical and full of My power and glory says the Lord. They burn for My glory alone. I am awaken this generation out of religious complacency and spiritual death. For some may see dry bones, but I see an army says God. For I have heard the cry of My children interceding and crying out for each other. I am shifting America in this season says the Lord. I am shaking everything that can be shaken. I am releasing a holy fire that cannot be contained in the hearts of My chosen ones. And the Lord would say this generation will know My power. Signs and wonders and miracles will follow everywhere they go. And those who doubt will be captured by the gaze of My love. Continue to look into the eyes of My Son, Jesus for He is the way truth and life. A prophetic generation is rising. No more compromise. They will be filled with the light of My glory says the Lord. Holiness that hurts the eyes. I am raising the standard. A generation that worships Me in the beauty of holiness. A generation after My heart. On these I shall prove Myself faithful through. Arise generation! Now is your time! Rise up! Prophesy! Awaken out of your false comfort! It is time to pray and fast. It is time to move the heart of the Father. Rise up watchmen! Now is your time! Open your ears. Let your voices be loud! Reap the Bride! Millions shall be ushered into My Kingdom says the Lord after this shift. My Bride is preparing herself. I am waiting…”

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    By Paul, April 14, 2007 at 12:55 am Link to this comment

    You ask, “How is Battlecry instilling hate and fear using religion?”

    The pertinent question would be HOW CAN WE STOP BattleCry from instilling hate and fear..” in young people? How can this damage to our youth and culture be prevented or undone?

    You can easily see HOW it is done by studying techniques of psychological persuasion and control, especially those that target the mindset of the superstitious, that is, those with ‘irrational beliefs arising from ignorance or fear, or greed.’

    If this type of cult mindset comes near us and my children, I will have to protest loudly.

    (Don’t take me wrong.  My own two teenagers are acolytes in the church, but they are too smart and valuable to sacrifice to the cult values of hate-groups.)

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    By Concerned Youth, April 13, 2007 at 6:12 pm Link to this comment
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    How is Battlecry instilling hate and fear using religion?

    Last time I checked, Christianity was all about loving one another, loving thy neighbor, loving your enemies. Jesus loved sinners. Jesus loves homosexuals and women and terrorists and everyone in the world. Don’t blame Christianity or God or Jesus and don’t categorize Christians as people who want to get rid of all homosexuals and other religions and blah blah blah for what a few fanatics are going overboard on. True, Christians believe that homosexuality is a sin, and that Jesus is the Messiah, but they don’t hate people that don’t feel the same way. On the contrary, Battlecry’s main goal is to reach out to youth so that kids can reach out to their friends that are dealing with problems and sin that can be forgiven by Jesus.

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    By Rob, April 13, 2007 at 3:53 pm Link to this comment
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    So, is it a coincidence that these fantastic legends and tales of seas parting and monsters and angels with flaming swords and whatnot arose out of a time period where scientific inquiry and rational thought were noticeably absent? Of course not.

    If you are able to take the Bible’s accounts of such phenomena as 100% true, then there is nothing stopping you from believing that the events spoke of in the Odyssey are any less so.

    Remember, people used to think that the sun revolved around the earth….

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    By Rob, April 13, 2007 at 3:48 pm Link to this comment
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    Concerned Youth, please tell me why those fantastic phenomena don’t happen today? Why did God cancel performances of his special FX show thousands of years ago and leave us hanging? It was no small task for him to save Moses and the Hebrews by parting the Red Sea and annihilating Egyptian cavalry with bolts of fire from the sky. So why is it so hard for him to use such grandiose powers to fix the festering issue that is the violence in the so-called holy land of Israel? Perhaps if he just might treat us to a new special effects show, people as skeptical as myself would not longer exist.

    All religions validate their divine origins by speaking of fantastic events that occurred in ancient times. Yet, those fantastic events don’t seem to happen anymore. Muslims, for instance, believe that their prophet was carried to heaven on the back of a winged horse. But if you ask a Muslim why there are no winged horses anymore, they probably won’t have a satisfying answer.

    Do you believe that Zeus and the other gods of Olympus defeated the Titans and banished them to Tartarus? Or that the Egyptian sun god Ra’s boat traveling across the sky creates the hours of the day? Of course you don’t, so why believe in something as silly as seas parting, or Jesus casting exorcised demons into pigs who run off a cliff, or a garden with a naked man and woman and a talking snake?

    And while I am certainly glad that your siblings are better off now, did it ever occur to you that your sister’s cancer went into remission? I had a lump on the roof of my mouth, it was an abscess full of fluid that went away on its own.

    Moreover, do you ever wonder why God cured your sister and brother, yet somewhere in Africa there is a little boy who died of kwashiokor or malaria or elephantiasis whose family is desperately prayed to the same God for him to get better?

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    By Paul, April 13, 2007 at 1:28 pm Link to this comment
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    The issue here is not the fact that many people believe that mythical figures and imaginary Bible-beings are real.  Gods do not exist in reality, but this, by itself, is not the problem.

    The problematic issue is that BattleCry/Teen Mania is using religious gullibility to manipulate and control the minds of our youth.  It is a militant hate-group, using the Jesus idea as a brainwashing tool. It is an immoral venture.

    Anyone is free to believe any silly thing that they want in this country, but using religion to instill fear and hate in young people is truly evil.

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    By John, April 12, 2007 at 6:14 pm Link to this comment
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    listen, weather you believe in god or jesus or anything like that. weather you are conservative, liberal, or moderate. weather you’re communist, facist, capitalist, whatever. it doesn’t matter.

    you don’t have to believe in what this article is saying. i won’t say weather i do or not. it doesn’t matter.

    but you have to realize that SOME of this artical if not much of it… it QUOTES and FACTS that were used to base an oppinion on. Someone who blames homosexuals for 9/11 is, plain and simple, stupid.

    people involved in watergate, plain and simple, are criminals.

    if god loves everyone, he loves homosexuals as much as women as much as men as much as christians as much as muslums as much as athiests and as much as you and as much as me.

    battlecry is brainwashing.

    it may seem to give young people’s life direction. not all direction is good direction. if you don’t know where you’re going, you won’t know how to get there, and no club, orginization, or rally can claim that they can give your life direction.

    our country was not meant to be a christian country. it was meant to be secular. inclusive, not exclusive. never once is god mentioned in any sort of declaration or constitution by our country EXCEPT for the FREEDOM OF RELIGION. you don’t have to be a christian to be an american.

    i do feel it was wrong for this orginization to call the members of battlecry names at their rally. they were actually quite disrespectul. they claimed that this group was sexist and facist and anti-feminist and anti-gay. at that time, battlecry was not doing anything wrong. FREEDOM OF SPEECH people. however, the group of counter-protesters may not have broken the LAW, but they were not very professional or moral about the way they protested battlecry’s moral beliefs.

    my advice to everyone… and please… seriously think about this. take it to heart.

    love everyone. find your OWN path. don’t let the media control you. don’t let a group control you. if anyone tries to persuede you to believe one thing or another, ignore them, and come up with your OWN oppinions and beliefs. if those are conservative, so be it. if they are liberal, more power to you. remember that what this country was founded on was EVERYONE’S right to believe what they will and to not have others choose for them or ridicule them for those beliefs. just because it’s legal doesn’t make it right. just because it’s illegal, doesn’t make it wrong.

    we don’t need another crusade.

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    By Concerned Youth, April 12, 2007 at 3:21 pm Link to this comment
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    Rob, I obviously can’t prove that the seas parted, or that Jesus made water into wine, because I wasn’t there. But I have experienced things that can only be explained as a miracle of God.

    I have seen various members of my family get illnesses like cancer, my sister had an unidentified mass growing under the roof of her mouth, my brother had a hole in his eardrum since he was a child, and those things are obviously difficult to get rid of/treat in a short period of time, let alone at all.
    My brother has no more hole in his eardrum…it literally just went away…my sister’s sist disappeared…with out any treatment for either…cancer—gone…

    How do you explain that? Did that just HAPPEN? No.

    Did the sea just part by themselves? No.

    Did Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego survive in the fiery furnace of Nebuchadnezzar because they had amazing powers? No.

    It happened because God willed it. God makes those things happen, those crazy phenomena like the sea parting and the disappearance of a disease.

    It’s amazing, really, and I wish people weren’t so closed-minded as to ignore it because it is a “scientific impossibility”.

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    By Rob, April 11, 2007 at 1:06 pm Link to this comment
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    Concerned Youth, not only is a god’s greatness measured by the fortitude of its followers, but it is also only supported by reciting and quoting fantastic legends of events that didn’t happen

    Seas don’t part, sorry

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    By Rob, April 11, 2007 at 1:01 pm Link to this comment
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    There is nothing in either the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution which mentions Jesus, God or quotes Biblical passages

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    By Ozpunk65, April 11, 2007 at 5:50 am Link to this comment
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    Say what you will. The founders of this country fought to base our society on Judeo-Christian values. These kids are fighting to restore and keep those values.

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    By Concerned Youth, April 10, 2007 at 5:54 pm Link to this comment
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    Rob, your comment on how God’s goodness is only measured by the length people are willing to follow for it is totally wrong.

    In the Bible, someone always betrays or refuses to follow God. For example, Judas and Peter betrayed Christ, or Pharoah in the Old Testament refused to listen to God’s word and free his people. Despite this, God’s glory and goodness always prevailed…Jesus died on the cross and then rose again to cover the sin of man-kind, and Moses crossed the Red Sea and killed many of Pharoah’s soldiers, escaping from Egypt. This is all to show that God’s will WILL be done, and that his glory WILL be shown.

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    By Rob, April 10, 2007 at 1:42 pm Link to this comment
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    A god’s “greatness” can really only be measured by the lengths its followers are willing to go to in order to proclaim that god’s existence. Whether it is constructing a church or temple, spending millions of dollars on some political PR campaign, or flying planes into skyscrapers, etc.

    P.S. WykedKittie, black velvet sounds niiiiice lol

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    By wyckedkittie, April 9, 2007 at 9:48 pm Link to this comment
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    I prefer velvet….black velvet.  Honestly though - I don’t really care what path your on - just stop shoving it down our throats.  read your bible, who cares - just stop feeling the need to to tell everyone how righteous you all are, how good you all are - most of us don’t really care.

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    By Concerned Youth, April 9, 2007 at 8:39 pm Link to this comment
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    I personally think this whole thing is silly. So many people are fighting over this minute piece of falsely reported news when it doesn’t even deserve to be recognized. Obviously some people just don’t and don’t want to understand the greatness of God, due to whatever reason, so they choose to tear him down as if He isn’t real. In the end, everyone will know God’s glory.

    Simple as that.

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    By Rob, April 9, 2007 at 1:27 pm Link to this comment
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    “the path to satin”

    I’m on the path to polyester myself

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    By Warrior of God, April 8, 2007 at 8:45 pm Link to this comment
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    I don’t know what you think, but that is love, that is complete whole love. Like I said before he loves everyone no matter whom they are. God doesn’t measure sin, mankind does. In God’s eyes murdering someone is the same as lying to say your parents. In God’s eyes we are all sinners. He especially loves those who are on the path to good.
      The rapture is coming soon, I know so the bible has predicted Russia and Iran being allies. The Iranian president already has asked his people what it would be like without the United States and without Israel. Ezekiel 38 predicts what the Iranian president said and the actions they are going to take. Believe me God is not going to stand back and let them destroy Israel. They are His people, He will protect them.  The bible has predicted things that have already happened. I believe the rapture will be in my lifetime. I could not even finish this paper; it could happen a minute from now or 50 years from now. But I believe it will be in my lifetime.
      You know the saying “live life by the moment,” that tells you to do all the wrong things that God doesn’t want you to do. What if in that moment the rapture occurs? What happens to you then, you will MAYBE live through the 7 years of torture. The likelihood is that you will die a non Christian. Over half the earth’s current population will be dead. Will you be among the non believers? Or among the believers?  I know I will be among the believers, I love God and God loves me.
      You shouldn’t be scared of God, he is your creator. He had your life planned out when he created the world. He knew what your profession will be, your wife’s name and how many kids you will have. What I am saying is that there is a God and he will be with you for the rest of your life. There is no denying there is a God, he performs miracles everyday.
      Don’t give your life to satin, let God influence your decisions. Believe in God, trust in him and most importantly have faith in him. Don’t wait for God to come to you, because it’s not going to happen. You have to go to him, confess to him, repent, change your ways. Let God be in you, let him guide you to be a better person. Look around you everything you can see was created by God. God did not mean for the world to last forever. So why waste time being with satin, go to God and you will be happy. For those who think they have no friends and no one loves them, that is not true. God loves you, no matter what you may think there is always someone who cares for you.
      God will make you happy, in all I have to say. I want to say this, God loves you and he will always be there for you. You can talk to him by praying, he always listens. God made me happy, I guarantee he will make you happy too.

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    By Warrior of God, April 8, 2007 at 8:44 pm Link to this comment
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    Battlecry by Warrior of God


    Battlecry is the best thing that has happened to me in all of my life. When battlecry came to me in life God was there. I became closer to God using battlecry and going to youth group got me closer all the more to Him. I used to hate singing in church so I never did it. When I got battlecry it made me realize it doesn’t matter what people think of your voice, what you look like, how skinny you are and any other thing that it takes to be liked. Alls that matters is what God thinks.
      Before battlecry I was heading on the wrong path, the path to satin. I had many bad habits; I didn’t make the right friends. I thought I was happy but then I realized how empty and alone I felt without my love for God that I used to have. It used to be I had to be made go to church because I didn’t want to go, now its not like that, I love spending time with God. Now I do devotions every night.
      Many people think battlecry is fascist. They think Ron Luce is trying to brainwash teens into believing in a “false god”. I do not find that true, Ron Luce is an inspiration to me he helped me realize how dumb it is to want to be popular. It doesn’t matter to God how popular you are, alls that matters to him is that you believe in Him and trust and have faith in him.
      Thanks to battlecry I am repenting. I am pulling a complete u-turn. I am going the opposite way of sin. I still sin and are tempted; everyday. Whether it is to curse or do bad things or just simply make fun of somebody to make me feel “happy.”
      I love God with all of my heart. I want to be with him in that 1000 year kingdom. I want to be with him forever. I love him so much. For the people who don’t believe in God, do you think the world just appeared? Do you think there was a big bang and the earth was created? In science my teacher says that the earth is 6.5 billion years old.
      God created this world 6000 years ago and that is what I believe in. I believe that God is with us, he is wherever we are. He is everywhere; at the beach, at school, in the library. There is no hiding from God. He is everywhere! Like in the story where Jonah ran from God; God knew where he was an cast a great storm on the lake where his boat was sailing. The sailors got scared and asked what he had done. He told them he ran from God; they threw him overboard and he was eaten by a fish; as soon as he was in the water it was calm. This proves God is everywhere and is with you all the time.
      The bible is not just a book of fantasies, myths and fairytales; it is a book of guidance for all Christians. We read the bible to get closer to God and to learn about Him. I read every night so I can get close to God.
      We pray to get close to God, He is with us. He listens to every last one of our prayers. He always answers them. Sometimes not in the way we expect, so we think that God is not with us when it doesn’t turn out the way we want. I try to pray every night; I think about everybody. I pray for my generation every night. I know God is with me during that time. I feel his presence, like he is there with me.
      God loves everyone, no matter who they are. Murderers, homosexuals he loves each and every last one of us. The bible says “for god so loved the world, he gave his one and only son to die on the cross for us.

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    By CM, April 6, 2007 at 10:44 pm Link to this comment
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    This article, not only misleading and untrue, is twisting the wholesome and holy gathering that I myself have been a part of. Battlecry was an amazing, inspiring experience and I wish will ALL MY HEART that the author of this selection could have been a part of it. By actually being there before she wrote this biased article, she may have had the chance to see all the good that poured out of AT&T Park those few days. This was no political movement, but an attempt to save a generation that has been bombarded by Satan’s blows to our faith. If the high moral standards were attained that were spoken of at this gathering, the world would be better off by a hundredfold. This was an event promoting love and tolerance, none of what this article talks about. I pray that the author comes to find God and realizes the awesome, everlasting feeling that comes along with that realization. God Bless

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    By Kelsie, April 6, 2007 at 8:59 pm Link to this comment
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    i saw this movie once.
    where a man was persecuting christians for their beliefs. He said “they’re even known to be cannibals” then proceded to quote about the passover meal, the last supper. When Jesus offered his body and his blood metaphorically, This reminds me of that. you take one thing, or one picture, twist it around and turn it sideways till it represents what most fits your idea. but we follow Jesus, who dined with sinners and healed the lame. Religion is nothing. It’s that personal relationship with christ, that love, that you may never know. the person who commented before me put it awesome. how can someone sit there being intolerant of people who tell you they love you, then call them intolerant because of that love, and still think they’re right? Jesus will always love you, this writer is the kind of person who needs our prayers

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    By Forever, April 1, 2007 at 8:29 pm Link to this comment
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    We know you hate us.. Jesus told us you would. smile
    See, people hated Him.. and He said that if people hate Him, they will also hate us. But you know something? We forgive you. And so does Jesus. smile
    If you ever come to the end of yourself, call on the name of Jesus. And He’ll be there.

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    By Mark, March 28, 2007 at 9:01 pm Link to this comment
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    I’ve been to a Battlecry event and Sunsara’s article has it totally wrong.  She has an illogical anger for something that happens to be helping a lot of kids deal with a culture that is eating their lunch. 

    Why so angry at something that is doing so much good? I don’t get that…

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    By Rob, March 23, 2007 at 8:43 pm Link to this comment
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    Not only have Christians taken ownership to the rights of “morality”, but they have hijacked the word “truth” as well.

    Ancient legends can be useful allegories, but should never be considered concrete truth

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    By Concerned Youth, March 23, 2007 at 2:01 pm Link to this comment
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    That wasn’t preaching, Tyger, that was just giving you the other side of the story, which happens to not be as false and politically biased as what Sunsara Taylor described.

    It’s always a good idea to look at both perspectives before coming to a conclusion. I would suggest going to one of these events and seeing what it’s like for yourself.

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    By kelsie, March 23, 2007 at 10:45 am Link to this comment
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    Hey Tyler, if you don’t want to hear the truth, then that is your mind that will be fooled.

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    By Tyger, March 22, 2007 at 7:41 pm Link to this comment
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    Blah, blah, blah…and the preaching continues.

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    By Concerned Youth, March 22, 2007 at 6:55 pm Link to this comment
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    The comment written by Tyger scares me…

    “great writing! That is some scary stuff. Thank you for bringing it to our attention!”

    Bringing what to attention? This article is not in the least bit true or an accurate portrayal of what BattleCry rallies and concerts are like. Taylor went into this event with a closed mind—she thought it was going to be a bunch of preach-y Christians talking about how to save the world, and she doesn’t agree with their views. She, of course, is entitled to her own opinion, but in order to write an article that has value, she needed to go in there with an open mind and with no predictions of what it was going to be like.

    Unfortunately, this depiction of a BattleCry event is totally wrong. I’ve been to one before, and it is nothing like she said it was. There is no reason to be scared of “Christian fascists” or being mowed down with machine guns by Navy-trained brain-washed youth. Last time I checked, God’s love and salvation brought by Jesus’ death was the number one priority in Christianity. There is no need to believe these false accusations of BattleCry’s good-intentioned events.

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    By catpiperx, March 21, 2007 at 4:22 pm Link to this comment
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    It saddens me when I hear Christians says “Be not of the world” or “Do not listen to worldly influence” or whatever. Their god supposedly created this world yet wants his creations to set themselves apart from it….Yes, God DID create this world, and because of SIN we must live in it, but we(Christians)are not of this world.

    As for homosexuality, it is a sin-PERIOD—I still love and care for anyone that is struggling with that spirit upon them. God doesn’t want anyone to perish because He created all of us….

    Battlecry doesn’t hate homosexuality, they hate the “sin” I’ve been to their events, there is nothing wrong with them.

    In fact, what I find absolutely amazing is that this year’s event in San Francisco (3/07)was banned for “loud noise” and wasn’t able to have any loud noise BEFORE 10:00 am on that Saturday..now here is a city (SF)that PRIDES itself on being so “diverse” and “tolerant” and they won’t accept our group coming into town and proclaiming their love for Jesus—-that name certainly brings fear to people, doesn’t it?

    This article is DEFINATELY biased—-and what is great about this country is that you can speak your mind—-

    Christian believers and followers of Christ will always be hated, period——that is because Satan feeds the unsaved with lies and deceit….I know because 7 years ago, I was the same way too—-

    Jesus was hated by his own people, we will always have a struggle…..believe it or not…...

    Satan is ruling the world and we as Christians are fighting a battle to save as many souls as we can, that is our command from God.

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    By Concerned Youth, March 19, 2007 at 8:01 pm Link to this comment
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    Unfortunately, this is a very biased article, obviously written by a non-Christian that disagrees very much with the religion and its practices. Sunsara Taylor forgets to mention the basis of BattleCry’s “war plan”—their efforts are not to forcefully remove non-believers from society, or to create an army out of America’s youth. BattleCry’s war efforts are positioned in the spiritual realm, where they believe there is a battle between Satan and God, both fighting for each human’s soul. The reason for BattleCry rallies and concerts is to encourage Christians (mostly youth) to keep strong in their beliefs about Jesus and to never give in to the pressures of Satan or this world. Taylor unfairly labels it a “Christian fascist movement” without giving readers the needed details to understand the true meaning of BattleCry.

    Also, Taylor points out that Christians are against homosexuality. The Bible plainly states in Leviticus 19:22 (and other verses) that homosexuality is unacceptable. This is where Christians find their basis, and rightly so, considering the Bible is what they believe as the proclaimed Word of God. What Taylor and many anti-Christians have failed to notice is that Christians do not think the person who is homosexual is “bad”, just that their actions are sinful. Most Christians (with the exception of a few “radicals” who harshly persecute) believe that God loves homosexuals and that He will forgive them of their sin.   

    I encourage all readers to look at other websites, for example battlecry.com or even the Bible, before reading the article so you may discern for yourself the truth Taylor’s writing.

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    By anonymous, March 19, 2007 at 7:47 pm Link to this comment
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    why are christian being called nazis when the nazis were trying to justify what they were doing with a “religion” that didn’t believe in an actual God and were persecuting the jews for their religion like the people on this website are doing to the christians?  You don’t have to be a christian to see that it is hypocritical to call a christian a nazi when they are the ones being persecuted and aren’t persecuting anyone…

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    By rene, March 18, 2007 at 12:54 am Link to this comment
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    JESUS LOVES THE HOMOSEXUALS!

    check this out:

    http://www.extremeprophetic.com/content/BulletinItem.phtml?art=515

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    By Jacktj, March 16, 2007 at 7:54 pm Link to this comment
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    why don’t people just stop telling lies half of the article is fabricated nonsense

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    By Rob, March 16, 2007 at 7:29 pm Link to this comment
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    WykedKittie and Tyger are right. Christianity has dominated Western Civilization for over 2,000 years and has also dominated this country for more than 200 years. Teen Mania, Moral Majority, the Christian Coalition and other organizations try and portray Christians as this oppressed minority that they simply are not. They still hold sway over large portions of our government and still wield plenty of political and social influence.

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    By Wyckedkittie, March 16, 2007 at 2:11 pm Link to this comment
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    You’re not be discriminated against because you are straight.  Being straight is an accepted way to be in our society.  Any orientation should be accepted in society - and I don’t recall the last time I saw a rally or a parade that openly discriminated against Christians.  You have your rights - its time to let others have theirs too.  Christians dont own the world - there was a time long long long ago that you were the majority and therefore thought you were entitled to special treatment and in some cases still do - but the world is bigger now and you’re all not the only fidh in the pond.  You need to learn to live and play nice with everyone else.  Its like the little only child who gets into school and wants the world to revolve around them - the teacher says - you need to share and respect other peoples feelings - it doesnt matter that you are an only child and thing that only what YOU want matters - the world doesn’t work that way.  You all say your TIRED of us trying practice our right to live, worship and love as our Constitution allows? well guess what - we’re all tired of you trying to take away our rights - but you don’t see us bombing your churches, your facilities, closeing down your meeting places - like you do ours.  This is America - everyone is equal and no one group should dictate moral standards to anyone else.  Get freakin over yourselves - worship as you want - believe as you want - hold your meetings - just stop preaching - we’re tired of it!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    By Tyger, March 16, 2007 at 1:58 pm Link to this comment
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    You are more than welcome to place a sticker on your car. Maybe one of those infernal Calvin stickers where Calvin worships at the cross of straight christians. You could put a inscription on the cross if you want that says “straights only.”
    That would be in the spirit of our country, right?
    I don’t think we’re short of christian events in America. Most of our official holidays are christian dictated and the whole country decorates for months in the easter and christmas themes. churches hold “pageants” and carolers sing uptown and down.
    If that’s not enough, I don’t know what is.

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    By Carissa, March 16, 2007 at 2:36 am Link to this comment
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    Why are homosexuals allowed to have gay pride parades, but Christians are being unbelievably ridiculed for doing the same thing, that is, displaying their beliefs?! Those who have morals and are christians are being made to accept homosexual beliefs and aren’t allowed to say certain words associated with homosexuality,and if they do they can be taken to court, by the “word police”, in my opinion. Homosexuals and liberals can call us whatever they want. If there are gay pride parades, in an attempt to achieve some level of fairness, then their should be straight pride parades, and I should get a special sticker to put on my car displaying my straightness.

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    By Tyger, March 15, 2007 at 8:31 am Link to this comment
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    great writing! That is some scary stuff. Thank you for bringing it to our attention!

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    By kyle, March 15, 2007 at 8:18 am Link to this comment
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    first of all let me start by saying battlecry is in no means a facist group i know this site is not into actual facts but facist is a group of people who forcefully oprees people ie left wing byist media. ron luce has never mad any comment of forceing people to come nor dose he endorse it violence will never solve anything you call us violent explain to me then why are 98&#xof; all attacks committed by the sp and similar organizations. Battlecry says love your neighbor, and sin is wrong we all sin but God forgives us. he can forgive you to if you repent let me finish with this Homosexuality is wrong i know you dont want to hear it but it is truth your not born that way you chose to live in sin.

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    By Rob, March 14, 2007 at 9:00 pm Link to this comment
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    “Rob, I love you because Jesus loves you.”

    Then you don’t really love me Michael, because that isn’t real love. Saying you love someone because your god commands you to is not real love at all. Christian love of all people is counterfeit love because it is contingent upon obedience, punishment and reward. You don’t even know me on a personal level, so how is love possible? I don’t love everyone, it is completely unrealistic. This is not to say I hate everyone. I respect my fellow human beings as best I can, but I reserve my love for the people who matter most to me: my family and my friends. Sorry, but I can’t help but view Christians as hypocrites when they mask their obvious dislike of people with “love”. Did those Christian Navy SEALS from the Battlecry stage show have any love for their Muslim adversaries? Nope. So when fundamentalists go off on liberals or atheists or homosexuals or whoever and make it clear they don’t like them, but then cap it off with “but Jesus loves them, so I love them.” it’s really nothing more than a cop out. Be reasonable.

    The world doesn’t tell you to do anything Michael. Its a planet, not a Orwellian force bent on leading people towards destruction. Granted, there are societal standards which are placed on people with ill effects, but nobody is really forcing you to follow them. Oddly enough, like Battlecry I am disgusted by corporate marketing. But they just want my money, so I look the other way. People who are insecure enough to be conformist to such silliness have that issue of choice, I don’t.

    It saddens me when I hear Christians says “Be not of the world” or “Do not listen to worldly influence” or whatever. Their god supposedly created this world yet wants his creations to set themselves apart from it. I hate to break it to you, but this world is the only home we have. Treating the life we are living now as nothing more than a waiting room for the afterlife, where you are expected to work hard to pass “the Heaven exam” and go to some paradise after death is a tragic and hollow pursuit that is several thousand years outdated. John Lennon summed up that point quite nicely.

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    By Darryl, March 14, 2007 at 1:55 pm Link to this comment
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    Thanks Brandileigha for comment #58250. Wise words. Let’s hope the message of love we share is louder than the battle cry.

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    By Michael, March 14, 2007 at 11:50 am Link to this comment
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    One last thing…. TRUE Christians dont bomb abortion clinics.

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    By Michael, March 14, 2007 at 11:47 am Link to this comment
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    Third, I never said that you need to check out Christian websites to find out this information. Go to these sites, I can offer proof:
    http://en.allexperts.com/q/Buddhists-948/right-thinking.htm
    http://www.ocms.ac.uk/abstracts/pdf/1989_lambert.pdf
    As far as Adolf Hitler is concerned:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler’s_religious_beliefs
    http://www.bookrags.com/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_religious_beliefs
    http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20060511_battle_cry_theocracy/

    As you can see, I’ve found many secular websites that say similar things, they aren’t affiliated with any religious organization. I never said to go to Christian websites. Again, I’m saying this with full respect, but I am not stupid. I am not “vulnerable”. I was. I allowed the world to dictate how I felt about myself, if I dressed a certain way, if I said certain things, if I lived in a cool neighborhood, listened to cool music, shopped at expensive stores. The world kept telling me that I was never enough, that I was always inadequate, but that the world had all the answers “LIVE THE AMERICAN DREAM!” “MAKE MORE MONEY!” “DON’T BE A CHRISTIAN, THINK FOR YOURSELF!!!” Answer this question… after what I’ve typed here today, do you think that I’m thinking for myself? Or do you think that Battlecry is sitting here right next to me (which, by the way, they aren’t), telling me what to say? Do you think that they don’t have better things to do than to tell people EXACTLY what to think and EXACTLY what to say??? No. Teen Mania is a church affiliation. The people that are the hypocrites are the quiet ones, who say they’re Christian but don’t do anything to convince you that that’s true. I represent a growing number of Christ followers, people who live God loud no matter what the cost. I am not a hypocrite, and I will take God’s name to the end of the earth, whether I have your respect or not.
    Back to the topic of stalin and hitler and Mao being “religious”, just for a second. Hitler thought he WAS God, so he would do anything that he felt God could do. he was another form of satan, who was thrown from Heaven for wanting to BE God. Mao abolished religion in China, establishing his own religion, and killing Christians or Catholics. The only churches that exist are the ones that he doesn’t know about. Stalin… there isn’t much written about his faith, at least not that I’ve found in five minutes of web searches, but I’m willing to bet that he also abolished established religion to gain complete control over the country of Russia (or the U.S.S.R., rather)
    And one last thing, I am not angry with anyone, I am merely defending myself. I have a right to do that, and I know Jesus had silent dignity, and so do I, but I will NOT allow people to write lies on this board without someone there to represent the opposite end of the spectrum. I don’t hate anybody, because it isn’t my right to hate, but only to love. This website is stupid, and my prayer is that people will listen to what I have to say, do their homework, and at least allow us to have our protests, to have our conventions… because we allow the other representation to do the same, we should receive no less. People don’t want us pushing our views in their faces, yet their views are pushed in our faces everyday. That isn’t fair. The constitution said that it would have no say in any ONE established religion… it never said that it didn’t respect religion, because that’s the whole reason why America came to be. Again, do your homework. Base your facts on more than one source, mutiple sources are good. I am not trying to sound righteous, because there is nothing righteous about me. Rob, I love you because Jesus loves you. I do not hold you at any lower of an esteem just because you don’t agree with me. Yes, I’ll be here everytime you say something that isn’t true, but I will always respect you, because I want you to respect me.

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    By Michael, March 14, 2007 at 11:35 am Link to this comment
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    Rob, I appreciate your ssensitivity towards my past, but something you don’t realize is that the only thing that got me through that WHOLE ordeal is the fact that I constantly prayed, had Christian friends visit me, and read tyhe Bibl everyday. It wasn’t something that I ran to because it felt good at the time, although it did feel good. No, it was something I had to do because I realized that I was running from something that I believed my whole life to be a lie, I thought that God was something someone believed in because they needed something or someone to lean on. I never understood the true freedom I would soon come to feel and to know and to appreciate knowing that no matter WHAT happens to me on earth, that Jesus will justify EVERYTHING in the end. I had numerous chances to run away to another country where they would never find me, to commit suicide, and at times I REALLY wanted to, but, the love of Christ was in me, and I had a responsibility towards Him and myself in my personal walk, I couldn’t run from my problems, I had to face them, but I wouldn’t face them alone, which is why I am the way I am today. Battlecry didn’t do it for me, I went to church several years BEFORE hand, and while I did attend 6 events, the first five were to just feel good for a couple of days then go back to my life of sin. The sixth time, I truelly came to understand that God will take my pain away from me if I just give it to Him and allow Him to do His will in my life. I had to sacrifice my pride, my pain, and my comfort for something far greater and far better.
    And as far as the “pew Christians”, I agree that those people are by far “cultural christians” in that they are quiet about their faith, are hypocritical, are Christians on Sunday morning and horrible the rest of the week, are condemning of gays, the homeless, people who are not like them. But, the ones who speak out about their faith, there is also a sense of accountability in that they are voicing their faith so that others can see the difference in their lives. Rob, I don’t want to argue about this anymore, but can you see what I’ve been saying? There’s a HUGE difference between someone who is a quiet Christian on Sunday mornings, who looks at porn the rest of the week, swears, and acts completely secular, versus someone who is alive in Christ, someone who will proclaim Christ’s name no matter what the cost. They aren’t called martyrs, because they aren’t being killed for their faith. BUT, they have the martyr’s spirit, they are showing that they aren’t afraid, and that they want the world to see that. I will accept that you are an unbeliever, and to me, while I disagree with it, that is your choice, and one only you can make. I will still have loads of respect for you, but you need to consider the facts.

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    By Rob, March 13, 2007 at 7:26 pm Link to this comment
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    No, they don’t bomb buses. They tend to bomb abortion clinics, ironically taking the lives of adults to prevent the deaths of unborn fetuses and blastocysts.

    You belief that I should not visit a website such as secularhumanism.org(which I do visit on occasion, admittedly)to get my information because it is leaned towards a secularist point of view is negated by the fact that you probably think I should get my information from a Christian website which will obviously have a Christian slant. Why should websites that advocate ridiculous superstitious nonsense and irrational beliefs be considered the “right” ones that I should listen to?

    Michael, I recall you saying that prior to you following Christianity you spent time in mental hospitals as well as contemplating suicide.

    I am not mocking your pain, but I do think those terrible experiences you had left you in a very vulnerable naked state where you were quick to believe just about anything. Whenever someone tells me “Yeah man, I was a meth addict, until Jesus saved me!”, I simply interpret them as telling me they have traded one addiction for another. Instead of an addiction to a narcotic, they now have an addiction to authoritative religious dogma. I myself have experienced pain, anguish and suffering in my life, but I didn’t need a false, fabricated worldview to seek shelter under to give my life meaning. I shouldered on, and came out not unscarred but definitely stronger than I was before. There was no imaginary friend or threats of hellfire punishment that got me back on track.

    To a degree, I can respect religion if it does help an individual alleviate whatever pain or suffering they are experiencing. But I have greater respect for those who keep their religious beliefs PERSONAL, meaning they do not aggressively foster them onto everyone who is not of their fold . Remember the theme song to the show Different Strokes?

    “What might be right for you, may not be right for some”

    This is why I oppose Battlecry, they themselves even oppose the “pew Christians” who keep their faith quiet and personal. I’m viewed their display of theocratic patriarchal fortitude in San Francisco with great suspicion. Obviously, they are protected under the free speech rights of this country, but so are the KKK, the Nation of Islam, and other repugnant groups who envision a world of exclusion and religious domineering.

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    By Paige, March 13, 2007 at 7:07 pm Link to this comment
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    ok, this is ridciulous. u dont know anything about us, so dont say that u do. ur taking wat the bible says out of context as well as the things that are said at battlecry events. the battle is against Satan, not speific groups of ppl. and as far the honor academy, the interns go there knowing wat they are and arent allowed 2 do, so they’re choosing 2 so all of that in their own free will, no one forces them 2 join it. so seriously, dont judge us bcuz of some shallow research that u’ve done, cuz it donest prove anything against us. and if u say that we arent under attack, but then attack us w/ ur words, wat does that say about u?

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    By Michael, March 13, 2007 at 11:38 am Link to this comment
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    One more thing, Christian fundamentalist don’t bomb others. YOu don’t see busses getting blown up by Christian fundamentalist. You don’t see suicide bombers. YOu see love. Hope. Healing.

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    By Michael, March 13, 2007 at 11:35 am Link to this comment
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    Hitler was into mysticism, thus his infatuation with mystical objects. Stalin could not have been a christina or catholic since he himself promoted the purging and abolishment of religion in Russia (Christian religion)./ Mao, ecxuse me, Christians are still getting their hands chopped off. There is no prominent church in China, it’s ALL underground. You can’t go based on some website that isn’t sited, because that is basically secular humanist views in its entirety, not based based on truth. My friend has Mein Kompf at home, the Communist Manifesto, and on top of that, his professor and a good friend of his from a church were pastors in an underground church in China for 12 years. his emails were screened and well as phone calls, you couldn’t even buy ice cream without being condemned. Read City of God by St. Augustine. Question, did you get your info from http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/murphy_19_2.html ? If that is where you got your information, check the sites, you’ll see that they can’t be trusted. You go to a website that has pro humanist views and of course they’re going to say what you want them to say. They’re lying. Do your homework. Check it. Now who looks like an imbecile?

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    By Michael, March 13, 2007 at 11:14 am Link to this comment
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    I take anyone attacking me, insulting my God (even though it doesn’t matter what they say), calling me a fascist as an attack. And I think that “saying you love someone and want to help them” and fulfilling a Christ driven lifestyle and putting Him first is the MUCH better alternative. And I don’t care what you say, NOTHING you say will EVER EVER EVER change my faith. And Holly, wow, lol, you wrote A LOT! I can tell that Christ is in you, and that is completely awesome. Keep going, don’t stop, and run towards Christ. Let these people think what they want, because in the end, it’s them that will have to pay the price. The reason why I keep coming back to this website is because people can’t just keep hearing this bullcrap about God, they need to hear the truth, “the truth will set you free” These lies that people are saying are just a few of the things that the world says about us. In China, when they arrest Christian missionaries, they give them a Bible that is corrupted. That’s what some countries have to read “And Christ was crucified and his bones were scattered across the Meditteranean area.” Is just ONE example of corruption in the world. People, LIVE FOR CHRIST, don’t fall into temptation, don’t fall for empty lies and empty promises that the world claims it can offer. I love you all, christian or not.

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    By Rob, March 13, 2007 at 10:35 am Link to this comment
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    “If Iraq & Afganistan were Godly countries we wouldnt have had a 9-11”

    Holly, your entire posts have been saturated in juvenile ignorance, but this one in particular was a real kicker.

    First, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Afghanistan definitely had a hand to play, but the hijackers were Saudis, hailing from an important US ally.

    Second, as far as the inhabitants of those countries are concerned, it is YOU guys who are the infidels and the ungodly. If you listen to or read the messages posted on the internet from insurgent groups, they regular refer to the US and other Coalition members as “the enemies of God” as well as referring to themselves as “holy warriors”. The Muslims believe that it is you Christians who are misled followers of a false faith, and that they alone have God’s favor. This is why Christian and Muslim fundamentalists have more in common than both would like to admit

    “You are the infidels!”

    “No, you are!

    “No you’re not! We have God on our side!”

    “No you don’t!”
    *bombings and gunfire ensue*

    It is clear that you are quite young Holly, and you have a lot to learn about the world. But since your religion dictates that the world is worthless and is nothing more than a waiting room for the afterlife, you probably have no interest in looking any further.

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    By Rob, March 13, 2007 at 9:56 am Link to this comment
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    Too bad that Hitler, Stalin and Mao wheren’t athiests. Hitler’s Nazism drew influence from occultic Masonic beliefs, Germanic religion and elements of Christianity. Mao and Stalin were practicioners of communism, which is a religion unto itself and completely ignores the human condition.

    And those warm, lovely Protestants have had their fair share of brutality. The greater conquest of North America and eradication of indigenous peoples was done so by the hands of kind and loving Protestants seeking to do away with the heathens. Protestant missionaries in Oceania and Africa have done a find job fucking up cultures and usurping resources under the guise of faith.

    “hey Logan, there is no scientific proof that I have found of you living either…guess you dont exist…”

    Nice try to put a spin on the atheist argument against god, but it only makes you look like an imbecile.

    I like how the zealots on this page like to refer to us as “afraid”. Yes, I’m deathly afraid, but I’m not afraid of some mythical god. I’m afraid of some far right fascist auxillary groups seeking to drag us back in time to 100 years ago or possibly further and construct a civilization of ignorance and idiocy that will make us the bane, let alone the laughing stock, of the rest of the world.

    And to those of you mentioning Islamic terrorism, Islamic fundamentalism is repugnant just like Christian fundamentalism, albeit more violent and extreme. You should be able to find some irony that Bush and his cronies are seeking to fight Islamic fundamentalists and spreading democracy abroad while fostering Christian fundamentalists here and pissing on what last vestiges we have of a democracy.

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    By Brandileigha, March 13, 2007 at 2:33 am Link to this comment
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    ” And the Lord’s servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful.Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.” 2 Timothy 2:-26

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    By Brandileigha, March 13, 2007 at 2:03 am Link to this comment
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    Hi,this is written to the people on this board who are followers of Jesus Christ. The things I am about to say are meant for their eyes.

    If you plan on replying, please try to read this all.

    Brothers and sisters-

    I am so great full for your hearts that want to “Contend for the faith” and sincerely desire to live in full abandon for the Lord. It’s good that you don’t want to conform to the wicked ways of the world and have set your mind on the only truth there is in a world so deceived with lies.

    Thank you for loving the Lord and desiring to serve Him, again, thank you. Having said that, I have a question I’d like to ask you…

    WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
    I understand that you want to see God glorified (and I have been to ATF).

    But I am telling you plainly that this is not the way you share Christ. Getting on boards and arguing with people (and some getting down right self righteous) will only create bigger stigma against Christians. You are making the divide wider, not healing it.

    What fruit do you expect, and what example do you see in scripture for/from arguing morality with people who don’t know the Lord? Jesus hung out with people (People who wanted Him around, the only ones He spoke to who didn’t want Him around were religious people correct?) and shared the truth with them… He never forced Himself on them.

    YOU ARE ANGRY WITH THE BLIND FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE.


    My friends, my kindreds in the Lord, don’t you remember what God said to Jonah about having compassion of the wicked city on Nineveh? He spoke of compassion for a city that “Couldn’t tell their right hand from their left.”.

    Why are you arguing? Stop it.

    Open dialog is good, but if your not speaking from humility, respect, and love (and it’s also important we only say what we are sure we can back up scripture), be quite.

    Jesus never asked us to fight a cultural war. Culture, no, people change after the Lord has breathed new life into them, not before.
    Brothers and sisters, I know you want to be used by God, but listen very carefully,

    THIS

    IS

    NOT

    HELPING


    continued below…

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    By Brandileigha, March 13, 2007 at 2:02 am Link to this comment
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    It’s not a matter of how loud you can be or what argument you can win, if this is what this turns into you will find yourself working against the kingdom, not for it.

    Homosexuals in the past (and present!!) have been treated cruelly, their rights have been taken advantage of, and the have faced a lot of persecution, the same goes for a lot of the “hipsters” in the city. One day they rose up and decided they were not going to be treated like crap anymore. They demanded rights and equal treatment.

    (BTW I don’t know how Ron Luce can stand in front of city hall and talk about how the “decent” people are taking a stand.. as if he, you, or I are any better. “Our righteousnesses is as filthy rags” remember? Ron Luce is as big a sinner as the next person, he should not be referring to his followers as “the decent”)

    So if you goto people, who because of the cruel treatment they have received from society have become extra blatant in their lifestyle, extra “in your face” just because they have the right to be, extra protective of their RIGHT to live as they please, What do you think is going to happen when you goto San Francisco with picket signs and blow horns?

    It just astounds me how a believer in Christ, with a functional mind, can do something in His name that is so incredibly counter-productive.

    You will have a fight on your hands for sure. The point is not that you are right, the point is that you are telling the truth in a way that makes people cover their ears and yell louder than you.

    Maybe instead of going to SF and picking a fight, you might have decided to serve in an AIDS hospice or clean up a park or visit the lonely in a convalescent home…. you might have preached the gospel more effectively and in a more “true to life” manner.

    You should be on your hands an knees, cleaning that city. Serving hot chocolate and kind words to crack addicted prostitutes.Begging God to shine redemption through you, that maybe, just maybe they would see the truth that God has made a way for them to be healed.

    This is not they way to do it. This is the opposite of how it should be done. You go into this city wanting to do the work of God and you don’t even realize you are doing the work of Satan. You are single handedly pushing people away by attacking their morality as if that were the issue.

    There is something inside of us that wants to rebel the moment someone tries to set rules over us. And if you into a city that has already decided they have to fight not to be abused by society picketing, you are going to get nothing but a big fat “Bring it on!” and you will have done a lot more damage then good.

    Did you see the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence? Crap you guys, they were some of the only people acting like Christians.

    This is so painful to see. Jesus does not come stomping into a city with a fog horn looking to pick a cultural fight. He comes on His knees, with a towel around Hid waist ready to wash feet.

    This is not an attack, I’m not here so I can sound right or dominate the board. But you guys should know better. If you were still lost in your sins, how would respond? I would tell you get lost. But if you showed me the love of Christ, prayed for me, met the needs I have, ACT LIKE JESUS, it would have resonated with me. Speak the truth, in love.

    “He will not quarrel or cry out,no one will hear His voice in the streets” Matthew 12:19

    This is speaking of Jesus

    Brothers and sisters, my kindred in the Lord, I beseech you, in love and in the name of Jesus Christ,

    GET WITH IT.

    Brandileigha

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    By Holly, March 12, 2007 at 11:48 pm Link to this comment
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    he didn’t lead a protest there because of gay people, it was because of the noise orridence that the next sodom (ie: sanfranciso) was putting up because they didn’t want us to praise God.  That’s cool though, the bible foretold of this, we’re not surprised.

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    By Holly, March 12, 2007 at 11:46 pm Link to this comment
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    in regards to Austin Southard, we aren’t killing anyone, we’re simply leading a lifestyle that doesn’t sleep around, do drugs, curse, hurt others, and step on peopls toes.  I can see where you would be offended by us…yea right…cult? call it what you want.  I’m sorry you feel guilty about your lifestyle but dont take it out on ppl who are trying to live right.

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    By Holly, March 12, 2007 at 11:43 pm Link to this comment
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    no one has to be a christian if they don’t want to…those kids didn’t go and say YOU should go too…they said HEY I love the Lord and I want to go be around a bucn of others who do too and praise Him for all His glory.  Everyone is taking it as a personal attack.. I keep reading these comments and people are like I CAN DO WHAT I WANT THERE IS NO GOD AND YOU CANT TELL ME WHAT TO DO!  No one tried.  You listened to the media who lie daily and misconscrewed it.  Unless you were at the seminar yourself, you don’t know anything about what went on there.  And yes, I was there.  I praised God till I lost my voice!  And I’ll continue, hey, if you don’t want to be a christian thats cool, thats your choice, but quit playing a victim because the tabloids told yet another lie.  Everyone attacks christianity.  Gay ppl wanna be laft alone and so do we.

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    By Holly, March 12, 2007 at 11:36 pm Link to this comment
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    hey Logan, there is no scientific proof that I have found of you living either…guess you dont exist…

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