Oh spare me Michael. That bit where you say homosexuals never hear the verse that follows Corinthians about homosexuals being “redeemed” when they give up their sexual orientation and become christian is an absolute farce. People are always spewing that “Being gay is a choice, you can choose to be straight and love god” drivel. Sorry, it’s not a choice. People don’t “choose” to be ostracized and excommunicated from their families, friends, religious groups and communities. Maybe you should do some research on how big a failure the whole “ex-gay christian” movement is.

Also, please stop attempting to paint christians as this persecuted minority being oppressed by everyone else. Christians have dominated western civilization for the greater part of the last 2,000 years, they are often the ones doing the oppressing, not being oppressed.

The author of this article is clueless about the motivations and beliefs of Christians.  His article fails to grasp the logical and moral base of Ron Luce’s teaching, and makes no effort to counterpoint a logical moral alternative.  His statement, “It would be foolish to expect that there is any part of the Bible’s literal horrors this movement would be unwilling to enforce, including stoning disobedient children and non-virgin brides (Deuteronomy 21:18-21 and 22:13-21), executing gays (Leviticus 20:13), and keeping slaves (Peter 2:18)” is absolutely ridiculous.  There is no accepted evangelical leader who believes any of those things.  William Wilberforce, because of his belief in Jesus, fought and succeeded in getting slavery outlawed in England.  In Hosea, God tells the prophet to marry a non-virgin; and after she is unfaithful, to take her back again (just as God was willing to accept unfaithful Israelites who returned to him).  In relation to homosexuality, people often take note of 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 which states: “Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders ... will inherit the kingdom of God.” But they never mention what follows: “And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.” In other words, there were first-century Christians who were living as homosexuals before they repented and followed Jesus.  And in doing so, they were not stoned, but accepted into the church, having been cleansed of their past sins.
The author of the article is irresponsible as a writer, biased to the point of ignoring reality, and is attempting to make people afraid of a religion whose top two laws are “Love God” and “Love others.” This is ridiculous fear-mongering.
As far as the war, there were hundreds of pastors and church leaders who wrote to Bush and congress in 2003 declaring that the invasion of Iraq was unjust, unnecessary, and unconstitutional.  Unfortunately, there are some Christians who don’t accept Jesus’ teaching to “Love your enemies” and “do not take revenge” and “live at peace with everyone, as far as it depends on you”.  But regardless of whatever high-profile invitations Ron Luce has accepted from violence- and blood-minded governing officials, his “Battle Cry” calls people to wage peace upon the enemies of Christ, and to fight for the truth with weapons of love.  The violence with which Christians conquer the world on behalf of God’s Kingdom, is not a violence they perpetrate on others, but the violence which they endure against their own flesh as they stand firm in the face of persecution.  If it is fear you have of these Christians, it is only fear that they will not believe your lies, or conform to your wicked ways.

Too little, too late kiddo

That website was good for a laugh though, thanks

Rob?
I can’t love you? Ok. I’ll just respect you and care about whether you have the right idea about God and not react when you get unjustly nasty.

I can’t win against you in a scientific argument about circular reasoning, being 16 years old.  Yet I still believe. The arguments taking place on this board take place everywhere. If you have real doubts about God(understatement), there are plenty of people much smarter than me who can talk to you. My new favorite logic seeking Christian these days is poppy at digitalreason.wordpress.com.

Bottom line, I don’t believe an ignorant little girl can argue you into belief on a web site, and I know a condescending old college guy(probably) isn’t going to break my faith on a web site. Whatev.

If you are even still checking this....

what i don’t understand is why everyone is getting their feathers ruffeled about what other people are doing… america is a free country people have the freedom of speech and freedom of religion.  if someone is homosexual you dont hear a huge fuss anymore (and oh well, if we worried about ourselves a little more instead of what other people were doing we may get somewhere) but if a person says they believe in God its almost as if thats the new crime.  yea some christians do get quite radical and many are hypocrites but that doesnt mean we should label the ones that arent just because they’re christians...why should anyone discriminate anyone? who are any of us to discriminate against other people? no christians shouldn’t discriminate against people that are homosexual or a diffrent religion or even people that have abortions or do things we dont believe people should be doing because truth is if we as christians are following my Gods example then we need to love these people regardless of what we may think because these are human beings just because others dont believe the same thing as you doesnt mean you should think any less of them, so what!? and why should christians be looked down on? just like different races there are certain people that can make the rest of us look bad, and besides we’ve only got one life...are we really going to obsess about other people or can we just live happy and enjoy the life we have? i was curious to see what people were saying on here since its been so controversial and im amazed to see that people are this concerned as if we dont have more important things to worry about… maybe our country would be a little more successful if we’d start working together instead of hating people that are different from us, but thats just my opinion and im done but you wont see anything else from me im moving on so i hope everyone has a blessed day and regardless of the hate that has been put on these pages i hope everyone is happy healthy and enjoying their life its too short…

Sure, if Christians follow the most common interpretations of the Bible, they probably will not be stoning anyone in the near future.

However, do you believe that Jesus who was, by all appearances, a pacifist, would approve of Luce’s militaristic approach to religion?

The way I see it, Luce is not spreading the spirit of Jesus’ teachings, but instead his interpretation of it based on a narrow-minded neo-conservative understanding.  Sure, maybe he’s no Pat Robertson, but he sure is hell is not emulating Jesus H. Christ if you get my drift.

Besides, Christianity doesn’t exist.  Only Paulianity, because most of the tenets that are thrown around by folks like Luce are not straight from Jesus, but written by Paul and a few other mystery writers, undescribed in history.

Christians aren’t going to stone anyone. If you read a little more of the Bible, you’d know that when the courts were trying to stone the woman who had commited adultery, Jesus told them that only whomever had NOT sinned could throw the first stone. Of course all of them had sinned except for Jesus, and he forgave her. As CHRISTians we are to follow CHRIST’s example. We are to always forgive, and not to focus our energies on the splinter in a neighbors eye and not the plank in our own.

why the wasted energy? you attack what christians beleive, so why shouldnt they fight back? hello - we all have egos to uphold! did someon get hurt or get abused at battlcry? iyiyiyiyi - fighting for peace in the world? tackle a bigger better issue!
why attack christians ? through their help aka relief aid- many have better homes, lives, neighborhoods, towns, relationships, health, etcetcetcetcetera.
chill out. make someone elses life better, then call the christians evilwarmongering fascist blah blah..
. for both offending parties- its easy to “believe”, hard to actually do something useful to our culture, society, and personal lives. this arguement makes me want to laugh, yet also cry.  its easy to judge, it comes naturally.
but actually looking at the whole picture and understanding? that is a tough, ego-torturing burden. 

good luck, in not tearing some other human being down for the sake of your incredibly important “cause”.  hopefully some good will come of this issue.  (unfortunately , “good” could be twisted to mean anything these days).

its way too easy to judge for judging to have any challenge to it.

btw. the internet is the worst place to make a point.
that goes for me too.  looking back, i hope this hasnt been a waste of my time as it may have been yours.

“break through the walls of secular society.”

Again you contradict yourself. You listed alcohol as something to be abolished, and then said you don’t want prohibition. You say you don’t want a theocracy, then say you want to break through the walls of secular society. So what’s it gonna be?

Battlecry’s bogus “4%” propaganda has been shot down even by other evangelical groups. Want actual statistics? 22% of the population claims to be certain Jesus will save the day sometime in the next 50 years, with another 22% claiming he “probably” will. This is 44% of the population who practically welcomes Armageddon. Hardly 4% by any means, and truly disturbing. We are regressing at an astronomical rate.

I could honestly care less about MTV, particularly around the early 90’s when they stopped playing music and focused more on crappy reality tv shows and popularity contests. It’s embarassing if teens are truly “told” to do things by MTV and even more embarrassing if the only alternative is to be “told” to do things by organizations such as Battlecry. Not really much of an emphasis on self-determination, but just a different case of sheep flocking around.

Rob, I don’t want prohibition. I don’t want sex to be “done away with.” However, I do want the media (MTV) to stop showing teenagers that going out and getting drunk is okay. They make it seem fun, but you’ll notice that they never show what really happens. They don’t show alcohol poisoning, trips to the hospital, et cetera. I don’t necessarily even want laws against alcohol, well, since; we already have one that says you have to be 21 to drink. But hey, if MTV endorses it, it must be okay.

Secondly, sex is not a bad thing. God created sex for the enjoyment of a man and a woman who have been married. However, when you have sex outside of marriage, you are sinning. And there will be consequences- STDs, pregnancy, etc, which leads to people being married out of obligation, which leads to divorce. Or, the girl could just call MTV. They’re happy to help teens get abortions behind their parents back!
So pretty much, they endorse sex and abortion too.

Finally, I can change this generation. And if I can’t do it myself, I’ll help the other hundreds of thousands of teenagers who are on fire for God. We have faith that God can do all things- and He will give us strength to move mountains and shape this culture which is destroying His generation. And, “My” generation does need Jesus more than ever. It’s said to have the lowest number of bible believing Christians ever in America- 4%.
I do agree with you though- A generation is made up of varying individuals, including people who think and act differently than me. But that’s the beauty of it! God made them all! He knows their hearts and He is the only one who can reach them and break through the walls of secular society.

-Consumed by the call

Danielle, you’ve simply just regurgitated the ad campaign line I’ve heard from every follower of Battlecry. A bunch of gibberish about “saving a generation” and other blah blah blahs.

You’ve also just demonstrated that you are for the suppression of freedoms. You listed alcohol on a list of things that you want done away with, meaning you are for prohibition. Prohibition already occurred in America, Danielle, and it did not yield very nice results. If anything, this country could stand to kick it’s drinking age down to 18, the way most of the modern world does, which would allow young people to become acclimated to drinking responsibly at an earlier age if they choose to do so.

You also listed “sex” as a negative thing, which is telling of the continued mindset of organized religion. Thousands of years have gone by, and we are still told that the act is wrong, that masturbation is wrong, that pre-marital copulation is wrong, that our own body parts are wrong. It’s also telling in that the rate of teen pregnancies, abortions and sexually transmitted diseases in “godless” European countries like Iceland and Norway is far below that of the “pious” nation of America.

You can’t change an entire generation Danielle. You can influence a small portion of it which follows the christian faith. A generation is made up of varying individuals, including people who think and act differently than you. Every generation has to go through the usual pains. Drugs, rape, and suicide are not regulated to any time period. Our parents’ generation had it rough, as did their parents’ generation and their grandparents’ before them. So you may think “your” generation needs Jesus, but there are just as many people in that generation who might recommend that you need some rational thinking.

Rob, you’ve got it all wrong.
Battle Cry’s goal is NOT to form a theocracy. The culture war is against the things that are destroying this generation! Sex, alcohol, drugs, rape, suicide, porn, and so much more! People are dying and we’re just not going to sit back and watch!
And what’s more, all of that is advertised openly in songs, television, and the internet! That is what we’re fighting against. The basic truth is that our generation needs Jesus.

It just goes to show you that fundamentalists of any stipe are dangerous. Islamic fundamentalists are dangerous because, well, they’ll kill you if you don’t see it their way. But christian fundamentalist groups like Battlecry are dangerous in their own way. They are dangerous in that they want to undermine our democracy and turn it into a bastardized theocracy. They want to control education and the personal lives and freedoms of individuals throughout America. This “culture war” is bogus. Since it’s inception America has had a plethora of different cultures. I’m not making war on anyone who follows Biblical literacy, but I will fight back if I see them attempting to drag 21st century America back to 14th century Europe!

okay.
First of all, the word of God is available to everyone- not just the wealthy. It’s called the bible. I love battle cry and am looking forward to THIS FRIDAY =] for the one in NYC, and of course it involves reading of the word, but how do you expect TeenMania to pay for the lights, bands, merch, sound, speakers, etc. without charging people?
And the tears and actions of the youth in the audience were a reaction to the conviction of the Holy Spirit. It’s absolutely beautiful, not cult like.
And lastly, no one can martyr themselves, the definition of a martyr is a person who is PUT TO DEATH or endures great suffering on behalf of any belief, principle, or cause. As Christians, we are representatives of Christ and His love. We will endure hardship and go to the ends of the earth in order to make Him known, and honestly, we don’t give a hoot if you think it’s extreme! We’re on fire for Jesus!
I think ya’ll need to go to a battle cry in order to form real opinions.
=]
God bless.
Go to battle cry. =]

I watched an HBO show on the Evangelical movement in this country.  After watching it I searched out Battlecry and found it very interesting that they charged kids and average of $40 a ticket to spread the “word of God” to them.  Apparently God is only available to the wealthy.  What I found really scary though was watching the cult like tears and actions of the kids in the audience.  I kept wondering how many of these kids would be willing to kill or “martyr” themselves for the Battlecry movement.  After having just spent 15 months away from home deployed in our Global War On Terror, this organization doesn’t look that much different from from the extremist groups in Iraq.

I have a friend who believes there are invisible super-beings who control the world using their super powers and who communicate with her through telepathy.  She admits her beliefs are based on nothing more than things she read in an ancient book of tales - the Bible.

Me and my sister still like this girl, but we are curious about why she believes such things.  She can’t tell us any good reason that makes sense.  She says she’s interested in this Christian fascist movement for young people.  So, I guess we won’t be able to enjoy her friendship much longer.

Good luck to other who are having the same problems as our friend!

haha. okay, Simon. I should have researched that one. But even so, communism is long gone and we still use those mottos today.

I’m not writing here because I think I’m wiser than anyone else. I’m writing because I have the Holy Spirit in me and my sole purpose is to spread His truth, love, mercy and grace.

God bless you all.

Why are you so against christianity? God loves you so much that he sent his only son to be beat and wipped and nailed to a cross. Do you know why he did that? so you could be able to have a bridge to get you into heaven. Jesus loves you, he did not get his life tooken from him, he laid it down willingly for you. So you can believe in him and be redeemed. What more do you want? What does God have to do for you to believe in him? He already has given you life. He created this world for you to live in. What is it that you are so against. That Christianity is against gays? WOW...I am sorry that we have the desire to have the heart of God. I am sorry that he put his heart into me. Actually, I am not sorry. I am Glad that God came into my life. DO you know the reason why Homosexuality is against God? It is because when you are gay you have disobeyed God. He said men be with women and women be with men. He created the two genders to marry eachother. Obviously, it would be against God to disobey his word and think you know better. Why do you write articles and campaigne against the Christian community? Give Me an email. i would like to talk to you about God and his infamous love. Maybe you should try to understand The bible and us. With Love From God.

TaShonnTrenn

‘And that is to bring God back into this country. (Which, by the way, God WAS what this country was founded on. So, to the author, you left out “IN GOD WE TRUST” and “ONE NATION UNDER GOD.” ‘

Both “In God We Trust” and “One Nation Under God” were put into the pledge of allegiance and currency in the 1950’s in an effort to counter the rise of communism. They were never used in the constitution or the Declaration of Independence. Sounds like you could stand to do some homework, oh wise 14 year old.

I’m 14 years old. I’ve been to battle cry twice, and I went to Mexico on a missions trip last summer (with teen mania).
I’ve seen God work mightily and I don’t need to sit here and give you scientific evidence about why my God is real. I know. I have faith. I’ve seen miracles with my own eyes. I’ve seen hundreds of people convicted my the holy spirit and who have given their lives to Christ. This is real. This isn’t some little brainwashing rally to get kids to wage war on other people. This is a battle to fight the enemy- satan. We are fighting drugs, abortion, suicide, murder, rape, and all of the things that are DESTROYING this generation. And I can guarentee you that this battle is not going away. I, and hundreds of thousands of teenagers and adults are going to fight until this battle is won.
And that is to bring God back into this country. (Which, by the way, God WAS what this country was founded on. So, to the author, you left out “IN GOD WE TRUST” and “ONE NATION UNDER GOD.”

And to those of you who were asking about soup kitchens and such, I went to mexico last summer and guess where we worked for a little bit? a soup kitchen.

To the author of this piece:
I’d like to point out first that the length of girls skirts is regulated in schools, not just the honor academy (which I want to attend).
And what is so wrong about it anyway?
Not every girl wants to be half naked all the time!
The goal is purity. Not totalitarian regime.

Above all, God is love. I didn’t write this out of hate, at all. I just wanted to clear some stuff up for those of you who have no experience with teen mania.
God loves every single person out there- homosexual, abortionist, bi, Islam, EVERYONE.
“For God so loved the world, He gave his one and only Son. That whosoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.”

God bless you ALL.

No, it wasn’t much help because it’s more of the same circular logic and double speak I have come to expect. You’re right, slavery was different back then in that was largely accepted as a necessity and a common practice. Such ancient scribblings on how to maintain your indentured servants and slaves are irrelevant as morality today dictates that owning your fellow human beings as property and as tools for labor is NOT ACCEPTABLE IN ANY WAY. Your argument reminds me of arguments I’ve had with Muslim apologists who claim that dhimmis(non-believer citizens) are second class.

Obedience is a must huh? Well, another abhorrent claim. Unquestioned obedience to warlords, popes, sultans, caliphs, and other domineering figures coped in the garb of faith has seen some of the worst atrocities in history.

Spare me your claims of love for someone you don’t even know.

What is in, on the inside of a person is what is waiting to come out, and that is why I beleive in God. For when a man is filled with the holy spirit, faith leads him. My God, yes my Lord, puts a hand on my shoulder, He builds me up, on the inside, He lets me see, He opens up the eyes of my heart, He fills me. I don’t need drugs, like you see them putting children on, many, many drugs, He keeps my soul clean and healthy, He gives me reason to beleive, to fight the Good Fight. He gives me a reason to love all of mankind and want His truth for all. He has guided me through all of life’s difficulties, and has given me a reason to beleive that it is only short lived. He give my heart and soul a new breathe, whether you have a sick child, or you are a soilder under attack. I am grateful that our Lord is a loving and forgiving Lord. For what we see in this world, with parital birth abortion, children being put on drugs, children being given the choice to be surgery altered, sex change operations. Parents beating their children, children beating their parents. Yes what is inside is etremely important. Love is not freedom to have sex, Love is respect for oneself, and all others we come in contact with. We see murder, abuse, drugs and sex running rampant, in an out of control soceity. What is inside is crucial to the soundness, sanity and the health of mankind. My God tells me I am beautiful and decent, worthwhile and cappable. All these values, principals are what are important. These values will keep a person sound and strong. So you see, you can’t break me, you can’t convince me that you are right, becasue for myself and my loved one’s we are with God, Here now and forever, for He is inside. One fine day we will go to be with Him for eternity.

Love ya, Sis!

It can get tiresome, but you are as flawed as anyone else, so try to be patient alright? Show them God’s understanding instead of your own anger.
Love ya!

I was at Battlecry. There was a lot of support for helping people in need. We also have to look at the fact that there is an entire generation of teens that don’t know who Jesus is, and a rock concert in His name is the best way to wake them up. The people that organize battlecry are few in numbers compared to the amount of a fanbase they attract. The fanbase can make a signifigant difference in the world, and are making a difference. Thanks in part to Battlecry.

I’m following the Bible. Ron Luce is just a speaker who also believes what the Bible teaches. He isn’t ‘the man’
All of my beliefs are centered around Jesus and His love for everyone. If Ron Luce was telling us anything that the Bible was not, we would not be agreeing.
I hope you find Jesus.

These are all verses from the Bible, yes.
Matthew 18:25 is a part of a parable that Jesus used to explain the concept of forgiveness. A servant owes his master a great debt. The master, by law of the land, has every right to sell the man and his family into slavery. Instead, the master forgives the debt. This, in the parable, is explaining God’s forgiveness of our great debt. Later in the story, the servant attacks someone who owes him a debt that is small in comparison to the one that he was forgiven. This explains the concept of how terrible it is to refuse to forgive other people, when God has forgiven so much more. Jesus mentioned slavery because it was something negative for the man who would be sold and those He explained it to would understand that there is a punishment that we have been saved from.

Jesus teaches that we should put others before us, that we should be their servants.
In Biblical times, slavery was a regular occurence. People understood the concept well. Luke 12:45 is a parable that Jesus told those that gathered to hear Him speak. It was about what His return will be like, and how the punishment will be worse for those that heard about Him and didn’t believe compared to those that didn’t believe because they were never told.
Ephesians 6:5-9 (hopefully explained)
Once again, this passage neither confronts nor praises slavery. It is a regulation for obedience, much like the Commandment to honor your parents. Slaves are expected to listen to their masters because they are bound to them by law("Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s"). Jesus tells both the servant and the master that their good works will be repayed, and reminds the master that he too has a master.(Collosians 4:1 repeats this)
1 Timothy 6
This passage is about respect for authority. The servants are expected to honor their masters as a show of obedience because obedience is something that God values. Once again, God neither says to release the slaves or that slaves are moral. I’m not saying that God condones or rejects slavery, but before you jump to conclusions, look at what slavery really was like in Biblical times. Modern day slavery has very little similarity and it is difficult predict what Jesus would say about such a different use of slavery.
I hope I helped. Yes, I think that in a way you took several of them out of context because they were parables that were not addressing slavery. I hope I was some help to you.
I love you and Jesus loves you more!

First of all, I just want you to know that I’m not writing this to start a fight, only to try to explain some things.
It’s the Teen Bill of Rights. I signed it. It isn’t meant to replace the real Bill of Rights. It is just a battle plan, which brings me to the next point. The fact that it is called Battlecry doesn’t mean we are trying to kill people. It is about a battle against Satan and sin. It is about living righteous lives in the midst of all of the temptations that are surrounding you.
I’m not a follower of Ron Luce. I follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, my savior and risen Lord because He loves me enough to die for me. Ron Luce is just a man that is trying to prevent the destruction of our generation.
A revolution does not mean an attack on the constitution. Luce is talking about a revolution of teens and really everyone turning their backs on the sin that has come into their lives and especially turning their backs on the groups that are filling our minds with filth: MTV, Hollywood, magazines, etc.
Actually, I can pray in school and it isn’t a crime. Youth For Christ and Onfire are two clubs that have prayer breakfasts and meetings all the time in our school(ELCO, PA).
Abortion really has nothing to do with school, and its not like we have to support everything that is the law.
Battlecry’s humanitarian work as I see it is asking teens to take a look at whether or not they have a relationship with Jesus. It’s basically missions trip United States. When it comes to what you call Real humanitarian work, well, Christians don’t try to go around boasting about what good works they do, do they? I can give you an example, though. The churches in my community started an organization called Onfire Youth Ministry. There is a building on Main Street in our town where several times a week kids get together, hang out, play games, have a snack, and hear someone give a message based on God’s word. It’s great. Teens you would never see in a regular church hearing about Jesus and experiencing His love. I should know. Onfire is the best church I have ever been to. It is basically a place where you have a relationship with God and other followers of Jesus without all the pretenses. Onfire is a family.
I’m not saying that there are no circumstances where Christians don’t just help those in need without telling the people about Jesus’ love, but why not? Having a relationship with God is the most important thing. That doesn’t mean we let the hungry starve if they don’t believe.
What do you mean ‘Hitler had principles too.’ That doesn’t mean we agree with Hitler! You could just as easily say that Mother Theresa had principles too. Principles aren’t a bad thing. Luce is saying that the right thing isn’t always the popular thing.

I don’t know what you were trying to prove by attacking the notion of honor..

Respecting authority isn’t the same as allowing yourself to be abused.

Yes, battlecry and I myself want everyone to believe what I believe. That isn’t a bad thing. The dividing line between us and what you are making us out to be is that we aren’t going to stick a gun to your head. You have a choice, we have a choice.

Comparing us to Nazis is a....well it’s ridiculous.

I love you and Jesus loves you even more and I hope you see that and if you want to see what it’s all about, come to Onfire Youth Ministry sometime.

Hey rob now I just want to say one thing when you burn in hell for not believing the word, now yu might know this but i’m 13 but my knowledge is more than yours because I will be risen into heaven when the end comes but you will be on earth dying and suffering now I’m a sourthern babtist who been raised by men who fought to keep me free not only on the battlefield but in the board room my pastor has stood up to the churchs that are wrong in there beilfs he has been almost fired by the higher powers for speeking against them also I’ve been raised by women who are not bad. now rob listen to me go to church try to stay in church and watch 2 movies left behind,and the passion

god bless you

I am a christian I Am sick of all of you people who think!!!

I’m sure you are. 

Greg makes an excellent point.

Where are the Battlecry soup kitchens? Where are the Battlecry burn clinics? The Battlecry fundraisers for homeless shelters?

Seems incredibly stupid rock concert-sermons and ironic counter-counter-culture/counter-marketing merchandise has the lion’s share of their money

I am a christian I Am sick of all of you people who think!!!you know god ,who think you know about me about my family ,about my friends ,about my group of so called the next worlds problem what about the muslims that kill our soldiers and attack our peole
we might be radicals to you but we are nothing compared to that al quade,hesbala,and other terrorists organisations now compare us to those guys would you rather us have a concert or kill thousands of inncent people now you dicide and try to go to church p.s. sunsara taylor may god have mercy on your soul god bless you

Just a video I think people should see, it bears a well meaning message for anyone who reads, writes, and is affected by this group, and those who have read this article.
http://www.dotsub.com/films/helloangry/index.php?autos tart=true&language_setting=en_1601

Poetry???  Oh come on.....Heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual...it’s all part of nature.  Don’t believe me?  Go watch the monkeys at any zoo you go to.  Or the walruses, or cats, and dogs...oh, rabbits too.  To some humans, homosexuality is an abomination, to the rest of the animals on this rock, it’s all part of their social structure, and most importantly, population control.  So if homosexuality is such a horrible thing, and against your god’s will, then why do “his creatures” also display acts of homosexuality?  The devil maybe?  But why, oh why, would the devil waste his time and energy on animals?

You Are Heterosexaul

As the sun of the earth must rise

To give sustaining warmth, light and life

The Son of man must rise

For he has a purpose too

To rise up and bring forth life

With all that God has given him

To honor and protect

To defend the blood of his offspring

To give and receive this love

It takes a heterosexaul

The blueprint of the Creator

You are heterosexaul

It is amazing to me that an organization that claims to be a loving god that provides freedom and choice could withhold that from its own followers. By restricting internet access, dating and the length of women shows that they are doing more than trying to “heal” people but withold there freedoms. To preach and protest against peoples love for each oher and commit people to being wrong instead of reaching out there hands with love. They claim to follow Jesus, a man who never judged or gave rules to follow but opened his heart no matter who you were or what your beliefs. He was friends and had love for homosexuals, prostitutes, drug users, and criminals. Never requiring change but hoping for it and working towards it. Battlecry should be using there time and energy to end poverty, hunger, disease, etc. not just enforce there ideals on my life and my culture. I do not need laws or rules to show me how to be a good person, but love and examples of that love to show me what we should be doing with our time on this Earth. In your words, may god help Battlecry and may he show you the way to being an example of light not a executioner of the darkness

I suppose it could be called intolerent, just as the mother who spanks her child for stealing is being “intolerent” of his ways.  But nazi?  Come on.  As a follower of Jesus Christ, would I persecute a homosexual?  No.  Is it wrong according to the bible?  yes.  I would gladly take the homosexual’s persecution, even if it meant death, that they might live another day with the opportunity of learning what I know to be true.  It’s hard to understand when you’re on the outside looking in.

So I am part of Teen Mania.  And all I want to know is if you have ever been to a BattleCry before writing what you did.  And just so you guys know, you can’t believe everything that you see in the news.
If you have been to one to get ligit info, good.
If not, that’s what I thought.

Battlecry won’t burn in hell. No one deserves hell. “Hell” is one of the most asinine and damaging creations of the imagination.

battlecry just wants to hold everyone back. i mean, its not as if God himself wrote the bible, but a bunch of guys in Turkey did. you cant govern using the bible. and to comment on my earlier comment, all those in battlecry obviosly want a neo-nazi style of living.

yeah, ummm… Ron luce isn’t a christian terrorist, he isn’t facist and he isn’t like hitler. how dare you say that he deserves to burn in hell, thats not even right. Would you like me to tell people that YOU deserve to burn in hell???

I gave up Christianity to follow Jesus Christ. Lord Jesus, have mercy on us, sinners.

where are all the lions?

you are most right about teen mania and battle cry, to me they seem like nazi’s almost with their pure ways ron luce in the cnn special gods warriors even says purification is the only way to live right to me that sounds so much like the nazis did ron luce is just another hitler, he throws his hand up in the air and all of his mindless followers do also

battlecry are just christian terroists. they should all burn in hell. God dosent want you to hate a certain type of person cause their different, they should have theior eyes opened

battlecry are just as bad as the islamic terroists. they just want to kill everyone whos different. they’ll all burn in hell assholes.

you know the bible warned us of this time...when the world would be against us and wat is right..but you know what? so wat if this article is from 2006, things that happened then is still happening now, teenagers coming suicide, or shootings at school, family problems, abuse, drugs, depression, broken homes, guys the list can go on and on and on! the only real solution is JESUS! thats all i can say! i love Him, his my savior my ny everything,it doesnt matter what the world says..i’ll stay strong...no we’ll stay strong! this is our generation! we will give them back to God!

Jesus loves you guys (matter how cliche tht might be..its true) i’ll be praying for Battle Cry, as always!! i hope you will too!!

I agree about the piss-poor grammar coke is good, but that’s what is to be expected when you get a bunch of adolescent sheep trying to sound intelligent :D

The good that a handful of Christians have done is outweighed by centuries of destruction of non-christian cultures, suppression of scientific research, usurping of government, persecution of homosexuals, subjugated status of women, denial and repression of human nature, propagation of guilt, fear, ignorance, superstition, etc.

Either way, the theocratic bandwagon has obviously come and gone and this debate is boring to me. Good day to you all

Me too Darkslaye!! I don’t see the point in arguing with someone who is so dead set in their ways. Personally, I have no use for know-it-alls. Sorry we couldn’t agree, Rob, but...God bless you anyways and have a great life.

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thought i would point that out.

umm are dictionaries not used when writing these? some people need to get their word usages right before making uncertain ‘certain’ statements.

Rob...your really ticking us off, please stop, onfire, don’t let him get to you, I have been called “a little ****” before, I experienced worst . But man, Rob, all you are proving is that you are bitter and you want to look like your right. I know how your heart is, it is black, it is under chains. I know I won’t get into their. But I can prove you are taking it to far and telling white lies. I want you to do me a favor. Look at all the things christians did in the world, now I want you to see how much things aethiests have done in the world. Christians have done more good then aethiests. So it seems silly that you guys are looking at the bad from our hearts. Besides, if we were facists, you would be a “Christian Facist” by now Anyways, I am going to be leaving this board. Everytime I head on this, I get some jerk calling me wrong and trying to prove it. BYE!

How old are you onfire? 16? 17? The sum of all human knowledge and experience resides in someone who hasn’t even finished high school?

I’m 26, I guarantee you I’ve been through more, seen more and had to deal with more things than you have.

OK. That’s enough, Rob. Trying to prove your stupid point is one thing calling me or my friends a bitch is another. I’ve had enough of that in my life. Do you think my life is a frickin’ bed of roses? ‘Cause it’s not. I’m dealing with more now than I ever have, what with high school, relationships, and other things. So don’t tell me I’m whining. I’m NOT whining. I’m telling you how it freakin’ is. You shouldn’t assume my life is perfect that I’m WHINING. If you’d been thru half the stuff i’ve been thru you probably wouldn’t have made it. so don’t you DARE ever call me or my friends that again, K?

Wow...I’ve never had so much fun reading people’s arguments...It’s the blind leading the blind. 

And seriously, what good are threats and insults on a monitor screen????????

I’m done here, this is no fun anymore.  Seriously people, do what I’m gonna do and do something OTHER than spend all this time ranting on a keyboard.

exactly, darkslaye. I think you’re dealing with matters you don’t know a thing about, Rob. Would you writean essay about something you didn’t have a clue about? B/c when you’re arguing with us about our beliefs it is basically the same thing.

You’re getting ticked DarkSlaye? OOOOOO SCARY! PLEASE DON’T HURT ME.

Give me a friggin’ break, you two claim you are being “insulted” when all I am doing is CHALLENGING the claims you, your religion and your organization make. You’re basically becoming whiny little bitches and if you are going