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Nicole Holofcener: The Truthdig Interview

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Posted on Apr 6, 2006
Nicole Holofcener
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Nicole Holofcener on the set of her new movie, “Friends With Money,” with actors Frances McDormand, right, and Greg Germann.

By Sheerly Avni

Female actresses complain frequently about the lack of interesting roles for women on the big screen. They should try being a female audience member.

Over the years, my friends and I have developed a game along the lines of a feminist version of Wheres Waldo: Whenever we leave a theater particularly disgusted by the bimbos, princesses or, worse, ғempowering models thrust onscreen for our popcorn-tossing pleasure, we comb through every movie we can remember, looking for oneԗjust onerecent film sporting a female character who bore any relation, in her preoccupations, demeanor and full-bloodedness, to anyone we knew.

Thankfully, we could count on Nicole Holofcenerגs moviesall two of them. First there was דWalking and Talking (1996) Ԗ the story of two young women whose friendship begins to fall apart when one announces her engagement. Five years later came Lovely & AmazingӔ (2001), a film about a few weeks in the lives of three sisters whose mother has gone in for plastic surgery. Both movies, carefully detailed and character driven, tell small, sharply drawn stories about a specific sliver of upper-middle-class-urban life.  Men do figure in Holofceners world, but not as the villains, heroes or Prince Charmings of standard chick flicks. ItҒs the relationships between the womenmothers, daughters, sisters, friendsחwhich drive her plots forward. The men matter, of course, as partbut only partחof what these women need in their lives.

Her newest film, Friends With Money,Ӕ is an ensemble comedy starring Frances McDormand, Catherine Keener and Joan Cusack as three rich married women who fret and worry about their one pitiably broke friend (Jennifer Aniston, reprising her subdued performance in the indie hit The Good GirlӔ). Aniston plays Olivia, a perpetually stoned former high school teacher who has quit her job and now cleans houses for a living. When the women fret and sigh over Olivias aimlessness and miserable taste in men, theyҒre dissecting the marriage of whoever happens not to be in the room at the time, their concern part affection, part condescension.

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The movie reads like a kinder, gentler Husbands and Wives,Ӕ and indeed Holofcener is frequently compared to Woody Allen. The two directors share a keen eye for their characters frailties and hypocrisies, but while AllenҒs protagonists start off lost and tend to stay there, starving on an emotional diet of imagined eggs, Holofcener likes to throw her characters a bone every now and then. In Friends With Money,Ӕ for example, even the raging and bitterly menopausal Jane (McDormand, at her acerbic best) gets a much needed love scene with her possibly gay husband. As for Olivia and what she gets, well, no need for spoilers.

On the evening we meet to talk about the new movie, Holofcener looks like she could be one of her own characters: slim, casually dressed, wearing a black blazer and blue jeansnot $600 designer blue jeans but honest to God Wranglersחand no makeup. Though she lives in Los Angeles, the only L.A. thing about her is her long, wavy dark hair. Highlighted, layered and shiny, its hair as weapon, or hair as prop Җ the kind of prop that a woman of a certain vanity will unconsciously toss, shake and flip back and forth. Holofcener is not that kind of woman. She neither preens nor poses, instead sitting attentively still, leaning in across the restaurants table and squinting a bit when thinking hard about a question. Until the arrival of her salmon (ғGrilled, please, all the way through, nothing seared about it), she keeps both hands clasped in front of her, brown eyes intent as she politely, cheerfully and with just a hint of impatience lets me know on several occasions that she thinks IԒm totally full of shit.




Sheerly Avni: What do you think of the term chick flickӔ?

Nicole Holofcener: Ugh, dont you hate that term? ItҒs derogatory, its stupid, itҒs so irritating.

On the other hand, I dont really care. IsnҒt life just too short to get all worked up about stuff like that? Maybe if I didnt get to make my movies, IҒd say, IӒm so sick of this goddamn chicklit shit, this is not a chick flick, its just a movie about a woman.Ҕ

And all that is true. But Im not that upset about being labeled anything, because I do get to make my movies. And if people are talking about my movies at all, then thatҒs good.

Would you see these films as feminist or political?

Gosh, to me it just seems like I֒m really self-involved. I write about what I go through, what my friends go through, what I find interesting, what movies I go see—isnt that sort of narcissistic?

Can you really be narcissistic and political at the same time?



Next Page: “I think that we are judgmental by nature. We all think we know whats going on with other people…. We can say, like in the movie, ‘Oh, that womanҒs husband is gay’ but will we look at our own marriage?”


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By Jane, April 1, 2008 at 11:38 pm Link to this comment
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Walking and Talking reminded me a lot of Claudia Weill’s “Girlfriends” from 1979.  Almost the same plot.  But I’m a huge fan of everything NH does.  I have some different comments about FWM, though.
A.  I too, don’t get how the CK character “suddenly” realized she’d be cutting off her neighbor’s views by putting in a 2nd floor.  Uhm, its why you don’t stand up while others are trying to watch a movie.
B.  I totally believed that husband could be gay and also be the world’s perfect husband, that happens a lot.
C.  Also totally believed that woman could leave her hair unwashed, women in that echelon are surrounded by yes people.  (I’m from there).
D.  The JA character didn’t sleep with the fat guy because he had money, she slept with him because he suddenly wasn’t poor and needy in her estimation, and having money (and hiding the fact that he was rich) would put a little hair on any guy’s balls.
E.  The ONE, no, TWO main things I didn’t buy; were all the scenes with Scott Caan.  I disliked the JA character so much for letting that creep rout around in her client’s house!  Would you really? Expose the trust of someone to a one night stand?? Ewww…. and also, I can’t buy that she would sit there in the Los Feliz diner and let him carry on the lunchtime flirtation with his ex…I would have walked, any girl would have walked, and NOT have paid the check on the way out.  It wasn’t like he was tall, handsome, had a cool job, was a great lover, or had been fixed up by someone she owed a favor to (like a grandma or favorite aunt). He was a short snotty loser with no personality who couldn’t even remember her answers to his morose questions. 
I really love the movie but…you know…Scott Caan is probably a nice person, but.  If Al Pacino or George Clooney did that? Maybe, but not a gym instructor with no personality, she was too cute for that.  She would have been used to being treated better.  She also would have had a coterie of ex-boyfriends still calling her, not just the other way around.  Right girls?
But I still love NH and this movie.

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By californiadreamer, April 24, 2006 at 10:19 am Link to this comment
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Saw the movie at the Encino in an audience that was the valley equivalent of West LA types such as portrayed in the movie.  My wife and I enjoyed the movie but on the ride home we discussed some of the plotline curiosities.  A/why wouldn’t the screenwriter understand how adding a second floor to her home would affect the view of her neighbors.  B/all the characters seem to have been marriage-less or child-less well into their thirties.  Late-bloomers or career-track.  C/How long was Aniston character a teacher before she gave it up—must have been quite a few years unless she’s been a housekeeper.  D/Most of all, are we supposed to see Anison character as a “golddigger” who jumps into bed with a rather unattractive, seemingly depressed man who just happens to be rich.  Is it all about money?  I do know that West Valley people are often working overtime to keep up with the Jones’ newest SUV or vacation destination.  Smell the roses, not the filthy lucre.

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By Jonathan Goodman, April 14, 2006 at 7:41 pm Link to this comment
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Yeah so you’ve paid some serious dues and
you know your way around the “political”
block.  All the more puzzling to me is the
obvious blind spots you seem to evince in
your profuse pontificating; so much so that
I am leaning toward a double-agent i.d.on
you.  I caught your Left Right and Stupid show
tonight—what caught my ear was the char-
acterization of the health insurance SCAM
just now put forward by the gov’t of the
Masachusetts commonwealth.  I have to say
in passing that although you and your fellow
poondits may not be screaming, you seem
to be perfect examples of Ronald Reagan’s
infamous Effete Snob category.  That said,
are you really stupid?  Do you really think
that a health plan that kowtows totally to the
Insurance Thievery, coupled with the obscene
drug mfg. and medical providers(yes dear,
greedy DOCTORS) insatiable and ever more
sleazy public robbery , is a “step forward”?
I’m through you and through with you Scheer.
You have been EXPOSED by yours truly….

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By Manon Banta, April 14, 2006 at 10:21 am Link to this comment
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I’m with you Sheerly, I’m meet all that criteria as well, late thirties, single and financially challenged but I am not worried by my “diminishing eggs” because I don’t equate my self worth with my reproductive potential. Not every woman’s goal is a husband and family. Do we have no value otherwise? I am not sad nor desperate nor in denial. I am enjoying my singleness and freedom and not searching for “the missing other half” because I know I am perfect, whole and complete as I am. Can we please start offering girls and women alternate visions of ways to be in this world and know that they have value as well?

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By nate, April 10, 2006 at 9:00 pm Link to this comment
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ya sure but whatever are lives reveal, if we had a little fun or played our roles well ,so it was life.

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By Shag, April 7, 2006 at 6:32 pm Link to this comment
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Does this mean she’ll marry her stepson?

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By Pia Dykert, April 7, 2006 at 5:18 pm Link to this comment
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Financial stress from a female perspective is a very interesting theme. I´m really looking forward to se this film. I see her wish to break the “money taboo” with a(comedy?)also involve other taboos in life. How vunerable people feel when their income is revealed is true. It´s like having a prizetag arround your neck. A womans worth should never be related to her income or if she is married or not, but that is exactly how women still measure other women. Ask any single mom.

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By Jonnan, April 7, 2006 at 5:44 am Link to this comment
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Now she sounds like an interesting person to be around.

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