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Pinhead liberals believe the pseudo-scientists the democratic party has hired to spread the message that global warming will inevitably wipe out our planet (unless we all revert to an amish way of lifestyle and drive a fleet of toyota priuses). Our mission is to dissuade people from this point of view, because it’s wrong and it’s a terrible issue from which to base your vote in the upcoming 2008 election. Global warming is simply a stage our planet goes through every couple thousand years, not something caused by a sudden increase in the amount of carbon dioxide billowing from the exhaust pipes of our ford explorers (by the way liberals, I notice you driving gas-guzzling SUVs more than any other group of people…well except maybe blacks (gotta ride in style now). Anyways, the point is you’re being misguided by a bunch of democrats who are using scare tactics to SCARE you into voting for them. I know Republicans have their faults, but would you rather be destroyed in x amount of years by global warming (as the liberals claim will happen), or be destroyed in the next 5 years by crazed Islamic Jihadists who attack us because we won’t accept Islam as the official religion of the United States? I think the answer is pretty clear.

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Golly Molly, you are wrong again. Even reading just the feedback on this page, one can see that neither science nor the public is of one opinion or that George Bush is the lone holdout on Global Warming

Gee, asshole you’re incapable of figuring out that the evidence for global warming is nearly conclusive and 99% of climatologists believe that is happening. There are a few Exxonmobile “skeptics ” and paid sycophants pretending otherwise. Perhaps we should pretend that historians aren’t of “one voice” on the holocaust because David Irving doubts it. Clearly you need to understand the facts before you fire up daddies ‘puter

Several lurkers from Ignorancia are posting the usual mimicking of Rush Limbaugh bullsh*t.  These are the same idiots who think that Iraq really did have WMD (they talked about it on the FOX channel!!!) and Hussein was behind the 9-11 attacks (they talked about it on the Rush show!!!).  And liberals hate motherhood, apple pie, cute puppies and of course, the American way. And environmentalism equals communism.  Damn the facts, full speed ahead!  Just at least read the latest issue of TIME (yes, I know, TIME must be part of the liberal conspiracy that wants to destroy America and make us slaves to Islamofascism blah blah blah.  Just read it.  Try opening your mind first.  There might be hope for you yet.

No, it’s not a global problem. To pick on Australia again, they’ve had one of the wettest summers on record and the climatologists say they’re going to keep on that way. 60,000 years ago all their deserts were jungle - this warming stuff is gravy as far as they’re concerned.

Anyway if going to another country to get away from lunatics is cowardice, that makes all the original settlers of America cowards, doesn’t it? If your government has gone mad, no amount of whining or writing is going to do you the slightest good. Revolutions only happen when people care about each other.

And that can’t happen because there’s a goddamned mind control device in every American living room. It’s not global warming that’s cooked America’s goose. It’s mass hypnosis. All Americans can talk about is who said what on the TV. They don’t have communities at all any more - just fantasies, games and sitcoms and blogs. It’s all rubbish. No American individualist cares a damn about anyone but themselves. The bottom line is all the morality your country understands.

Unless you have some way of stopping your countrymen from spending 6 hours a day soaking up the hypnocracy through their dull, placid eyes, the same idiots will keep coughing up the same lies at the behest of the same military industrial cabalists. Nutjobs and thralls, that’s what America’s made of. Well, and about 2 million political prisoners.

So do the right thing by your kids and head south - deep south. Land is really cheap in Tasmania, and who knows, if Molly is right your grandkids might be kings of Antarctica after the thaw.

So if the Little Wooden Boy, AlBore, is right, how does he explain the warming trend seen on Mars?  Are there evil Republicans & heartless capitalists there, too?  Will the warm, fuzzy little Socialists & Communists make things all better for us?

Golly Molly, you are wrong again. Even reading just the feedback on this page, one can see that neither science nor the public is of one opinion or that George Bush is the lone holdout on Global Warming.

It would be refreshing, if any ONE of the ‘scientists’ convinced that global warming is human caused could concede that maybe, just maybe, a small change in output from the sun could be responsible. Impossible! Almost as impossible as finding ONE scientist (in an appropriate field, please) who is NOT taking one penny from a source supporting the notion that warming is human caused. If your funding did not come in any part from support of the conclusion, I would start believeing.

What’s the weather going to be (within a tenth of a degree) next week?  Any idea?  The same idiots forecasting a rise of .2 degree F over the next century don’t either.

Some appear confused by the conflicting forecasts of “scientists”, as if there were no reasonable means to tell flakes and quacks from those who follow evidence to a conclusion. There is a process (science) which will allow that differentiation, and it really isn’t too hard even for laypersons to follow. Flakes and quacks betray themselves by the same failings that befall all who work backwards from ideology or “need” to determine what premise would serve. Scientists work from evidence toward hypotheses, then theories that explain the evidence and allow testing of predictions. The new ice age was media speculation. Global warming is science.

Malthus was right, after all.

Why not read The Skeptical Environmentalist by Bjorn Lomborg, check his footnoted data, and then decide if all of the past (global cooling) and current (global warming) gloom-and-doom prognosticators have any merit or if they are just blowing their own hot air to warm the Earth!
http://www.lomborg.com/
Don’t be blindly led, use your brain, do your own research, and come to your own conclusions.

Anyone who needs to be persuaded as to the truth (rather than relying on the declarations of their favorite media personality) can start here: http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm.

Regards

Thank you, Molly, for a forum on this subject but please, please - on your search for a savior - don’t count on Al Gore.  Simply Google or type in ‘Al Gore and zinc’ if you cannot take a drive to Carthage, Tennessee.  Because while looking for property there, the local Realtor advised us not to buy downstream from the Gores.  It seems the Gores had a zinc mine on their property that was polluting the Caney Fork River.  Sure enough—there it was for all the world to see.  Leased to Occidental Petroleum no less (see Al’s Tax Return). The Wall Street Journal had an excellent article on the whole farse in the June 29, 2000 (or 99) issue.  Recommended reading, but I see there is plenty of additional sites/info out there. I was bummed: 1. another liar, 2. getting away with brazen hypocrisy.

The Mencken quote was so very appros.  The globalist, demopublicans have everybody blaming everyone else - evidentally from these posts.

Global warming or not….it is too bad that the health of our children (asthma, etc.) is not enough to stop the madness.  And remember, one preventive measure would have been for the feds to raise the MPG thresholds, which Clinton/Gore admin did not do even once in their eight years in power (16MPG).

As for population control as an answer, the US has tried it—ala Ehrlich’s ‘Population Bomb’ scare of the early 70s—and now we are left with a void of 50-100 million people brutally slain, women wounded, and a world lessened by their absence.  So some of the same people who advocate abortion now want to legalize immigrants since they have woken up to see that there is no one to pay the Social Security bill.

It seems even the diametrically opposed on this blog have more in common because they are intelligent and care - a scarcity.  If we could just get out of this ‘us’ (Dems) versus ‘them’ (Repubs) to see the real dividing line.

So as a practicing disciple of Jesus, I believe that we will see the consequences of our ‘stewardship’ as defined by the Bible and it won’t be pretty…...  I, for one, repent.

Molly Ivins, you make me laugh.

Al- HE BETRAYED HIS COUNTRY, HE PLAYED ON OUR FEARS!!!!!! Gore is all you have left?

HAHHAHAHAHA, well, you better go buy an air conditioner, out here in Boston, its fricken freezing- in April.

Now I have a gas guzzling SUV to drive back to my home which has all the lights on and the TV blaring as well as the heat on with the windows open.  All powered by illegal immigrants running on treadmills- doing the jobs that Americans won’t!

Question?  Was Molly upset 30 years ago when they said the new ice age was just around the corner and would last for hundreds of years.  It was the end of the earth as we know it.  They said their facts showed the earth getting colder by the year.  Well Molly, what is it, cold or heat?  Can’t make up your mind?  Thats the way the left is.  Just pull a chain and they will follow like a good puppy dog!

Some 20 years ago, I was watching a panel discussion on PBS. The panel was composed of two groups of scientists, one of which opined that if pollution abatement, aimed at its complete elimination did not begin immediately, we’d be in for an enviornmental catastrophe in the not-too-distant future. The other asserted it was already too late-that we’d already reached the point of no return. Makes me glad I’m 67, but scared for my kids & grandkids.

You won’t like this post. I don’t like having to post it. But, some 40 years ago I befriended a professor of physics who was starting an environmental institute that would later get absorbed into the Sierra Club. What I discovered while being involved with this institute confirmed all my worst suspicion’s.
The professor also told me in confidence this, that even if we had stopped all polluting back then we still had spewed enough pollution to destroy life on this planet. The “tipping point” was pasted a long time ago. What we are experiencing now is what he explained to me in lay terms as the “hole” theory. If you keep digging and digging as the dirt piles up on the side it eventually reaches a point where it simply collapses back into the whole. What we have now is the collapse and all the powers we can muster won’t stop it.
I told you you wouldn’t like this post.
Hold your love ones dear, for we are all December’s Children.

If the statement by Molly “[T]he right wing is still prepared to dismiss [Al Gore] with contempt and ridicule, not because he’s wrong but because they’d rather talk about the time he was supposedly advised to wear earth tones” is indicative of her handling of facts (as, indeed, appears to be the case), then it is pointless to try to change her mind through reason.

Just his participation in CUSA (Citizenship USA) would be enough, as he used his position of power to turn wolves loose among the sheep he was charged with protecting, all for the mere sake of personal advancement.  But that is not the only nefarious activity by Al Gore.

I do not recall the name, but there is an individual who used to hold a prestigious position within Green Peace who now opposes much of the shenanigans of the “environmental movement,” a change of stance stemming from investigating the data.  The idea that a Green Peace high-up would change his stance due to being paid by oil companies is infantile reasoning (which, of course, is not reasoning at all).

It is of first importance for us to have an accurate assessment of the world around us if we are to have any hope of making fruitful, useful, reasonable, accurate choices regarding that world.  “reasoning” like “Better to not take a chance” is not reasoning at all, and can be used to prod a herd in any desired direction.  I—for one—choose to not be part of a herd (as exemplified by that deliberate splitting of an infinitive!).

I encourage resisting being herded by Molly Ivins.

I find it interesting the only people who slam Molly for trying to inform a very ignorant American public (does a ‘bought’ right-wing media have any responsibility for this?) don’t even have the courage to put their names on their blog. She IS doing something, you boob! The first step toward solving a problem is recognition there is a problem. Unfortunately, this administration, and their fosil fuel gangster cohorts are in denial, because admitting to the reality of impending climate crisis does nothing to stuff their already over-stuffed pockets. As far as running away to Australia that is a coward’s way out, and anyone with more than a pea brain realizes that although Americans consume more resources than necessary this is a GLOBAL problem. I never could quite grasp where people think they can hide on an uninhabitable planet, and immigration to another planet is NOT an option. Even the Pentagon has formulated a plan for the day when global warming causes a perpetual state of war brought about by the effects too many people fighting for livable space because of drought, and the subsequent freezing of northern latitudes after global warming. I’m not counting on them for my safety, though, since by continuing to use the WMD of depleted uranium they pose as big a threat (or bigger) of human eradication as global warming. Since so many people are obviously in denial about the threat of GW I imagine there are as many, or more, who aren’t even aware of the DU threat (Google it and find out). Thankyou Molly for your writings. Some out here are on the same page, and thank goodness our numbers are growing.

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global warming was true years ago when the right mocked everyone who thought we should do something about it. Now they are just using it as a tool to keep us all under their thumbs. Why is it always a republican admin who yells, “swine flu”, “immigrants take over the U.S.”, “gay marriage threatens marriage”, etc. etc??

Anyone doubting there is a catastrophe brewing should read Ticking Time Bomb, an OpEd piece by geologist John Atcheson that originally appeared December 15th, or 16th, 2004 in the Baltimore Sun. It is now readily available on the web.

The arctic permafrost is melting rapidly and threatens a runaway release of methane which is locked in the ice.  Twice before in the history of the planet, once 53 million years ago, and earlier 251 million years ago, life on earth was almost destroyed by massive release of methane.

The temperature rise that caused the problem, according to Atcheson, was 10.8 degrees F, (6 degrees C).  The recent Oxford University study indicates we are likely to pass that point by 2050!

There is an urgent need to end the use of all fossil fuels on an emergency basis.  This means we need new alternatives that can run vehicles.  A very few are under development, but they reflect new science, not yet accepted as it disagrees with textbooks.  Dogma is as much a problem in science as it is in religion, or any other field. 

The Wright Brothers, as everyone now knows, first flew in 1903.  But the scientific community refused to believe it, until then President Teddy Roosevelt appointed someone to determine if those bicycle mechanics were telling the truth. 

In this case, delay and ignorance may kill our children and grandchildren. 

It is high time to open minds, and carefully examine promising solutions.

You know, the good Mr. George Will (in a recent article of his own on Global “Warming” wrote what I personally remember from the ‘70’s:  that “EVERYONE” agreed that global COOLING was coming, and unavoidable.

Now, let’s see if I can simplify this so that my walnut-sized brain can grasp the essential
concept here ……

THIRTY YEARS AGO, “scientists”, using all their brains and the best scientific tools at their
disposal, convinced themselves that we should all be VERY VERY WORRIED about global COOLING.

TODAY, “scientists”, using all their brains and the best scientific tools at their disposal,
have convinced themselves that we should all be VERY VERY WORRIED about
global WARMING.

I find myself irresistibly compelled to express myself in rhyme and rhythm……. 

Cooling, warming, warming, cooling,
who do these guys think they’re fooling?
Years ago, we’re told to worry,
and to buy clothes warm and furry.
But the tea leaves, read anew,
tell us what we NOW must do;
(Or, correctly, what we must,
STOP ‘lest Earth turn into dust!).
For example, gasoline,
from our lifestyle, we must wean.
Yet the Commies get to keep,
burning coal, and not a peep,
from the world we fought to save,
and to whom so much we gave.

You know what?  I think H.L. Mencken figured this out long ago……….

“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed— and thus clamorous to be led to safety—by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

NM

If “god hates fags” why are there so many tornados, floods, golf-ball sized hail and general bad weather in the heavily evangelical “red states’?

I think it’s more likely god hates ignorance and being co-opted by the self-serving rabid right.

To say that the debate on global warming is over seems presumptuous at best.  Why do laypersons such as Molly Ivins place such unshakable faith in long-term predictions by climatologists when meteorologists have trouble with next week’s forecast?  Computer models are powerful tools indeed, but their power is derived from the veracity of the data and the algorithms governing how the data are analyzed.  Weather/climate patterns seem to me to be influenced by hundreds if not thousands of factors, and their inter-relationships would add even greater degrees of variability.  To then take the results of these models as certainty or near-certainty would be genuine folly.  Looking before we leap is probably the best course of action with regard to the global warming debate.

If we want to really force people to change we have to target fears that will happen in 50 to 100 years. If we pick catastrophes that will happen in 10 years like Paul Erlich or Ted Danson or even Al Gore did then we look like idiots when they don’t happen. If we want to be able to take over people’s lives we must be more subtle and pick our spots and for sure we must pick far off targets that can’t be proven or disproven so easily. It is the only path to true victory for Socialism.

Is being cannon fodder making a difference? Let me sketch this out a bit for you bunkie, see if I can take the scales from your eyes / tin foil beanie from your scalp:

Including derivatives, personal debt, government debt, business debt, and all the massive mega mortgages, the USA owes about $140 Trillion - yep, that’s with a big capital T - to the rest of the world. Mainly to China, India, and OPEC.

The USA can’t pay. It has no real industries or industrial resources left. Instead the US keeps borrowing; it actively coerces other countries’ central banks to keep printing money so the USD keeps its value relative those other currencies. No one wants their part of this business to stop. The fix is in, the dollar is all mighty.

But as the domestic demand of the new industrial powers soars, their motives change. All they’re really waiting for is the US housing bubble. When that pops and you have no more money to service your loans, even with hyperinflated currency, you’ll sell every last asset to them for pennies on the dollar. Even after this profit-taking your debt to them spirals ever upwards.

As the US domestic depression bites the only jobs left will be in the army. American young people will join up en masse or starve. With the industrial powers owning all your businesses and assets, they obviously control your government. So your population, loyally serving your government in your military, become their unwitting conscripts for invasions of South America, Europe, and points West.

Oh, and eventually global warming kicks in and they can’t afford to feed everyone. But still there’s hope the most loyal and trustworthy Americans might be permitted to breed.

I still want my electric car, which we all $1.5B R&D downpaymented to the Big 3 in the early ‘90s, with no delivery as required by 1995, in typical corporate reneging on Clinton/Gore and we the people. Don’t let it be forgot… in the era of W-speak.

I wouldnt want to be in Australia/NZ, theyre sitting on/near big fault lines, who knows what global warming will do to the planet, really.

Also, the fate of the US will have a great effect on the rest of the world, I’d rather know that I stayed and fought rather than fled to have the priviledge of watching the sunset from a distance.

Its stupid to be screaming apocalypse when it isnt over yet.  If you know so much why don’t you get up from your computer, walk outside, and make a difference.

Have you yanquis considered the possibility that you’re all fucking nuts?

I mean, crap, your knickers are in a twist over global warming while (a) you’re victims of not one but two coup d’etats, (b) the tyrants who rule you are actively planning WW3 in order to maintain their control, (c) the wheels have fallen off your media, courts, markets, and every other system in your country?

I mean, if I were you, I wouldn’t be blogging on and carping on. I’d emigrate some place with a functional democracy - any Commonwealth country will do. Probably Australia or New Zealand just to get as far from the inevitable meltdown as possible.

But you just sit and type nonsense to some part-of-the-system hack who makes money prattling about the sky falling. Here, let me clear it up for you. You’re all fucking nutes. Certifiable. Issue 300 million straight jackets and several tons of lithium.

Stat!

All this fatalism plays right into the hands of the powers that be, which undoubtedly delights them,  since it gives them the green light to continue with their same old, same old business as usual status quo.  There is something we the people can do, however.  What’s that?  Change the world, that’s what!

Humans have proven that they’re overrated on this issue alone. What was God thinking, making us stewards of the planet? Every action you take, brushing your teeth for example, multiply it by the billions in the industrial world doing the same. Resource consumption adds up so quickly.
  Unfortunately, it’s not just a matter of using hybrid vehicles. It’s the exponential rise in energy consumption and the waste byproduct of human success - overpopulation + longevity + “higher” living standards worldwide.
  The solutions to achieving true sustainability - manage population growth, accept the inevitability of death, and “reduce” living standards.
  These are politically impossible issues, of course, so humans must live with the consequences of living out of balance. Let the fun begin.

Mraz (and others), in re: “Your talk of a reinforincng feedback cycle seems almost plausible. But won’t more liquid water in the system mean more clouds, which are just as effective at reflecting sunlight?” Please see realclimate.org for answers to these and other climate-change questions—by climate scientists.

Mraz (and others, in re: “Your talk of a reinforincng feedback cycle seems almost plausible. But won’t more liquid water in the system mean more clouds, which are just as effective at reflecting sunlight?” Please see realclimate.org for answers to these and other climate-change questions—by climate scientists.

Your talk of a reinforincng feedback cycle seems almost plausible. But won’t more liquid water in the system mean more clouds, which are just as effective at reflecting sunlight?

Somebody needs to make one of those decks of cards with the 52 biggest polluters in America.  Afterall, there’s already one naming the 52 biggest enemies of America - a lot of very prominent Americans are included in that one.  We also need one of those color things - red, orange…I can never remember what is where.  The Department of Homeland Security can handle that one.

Well, it seems like more than half of us believe that God (the Judaic-Christian God) is in charge of things around here ... so if a disaster strikes then God is either testing us a la Job or punishing us a la Sodom and Gomorrah ... so do we stay the course or repent?

The Fundamentalist Christians are inclined to stay the course and have the rest of us repent.

You see, if you are a Fundamentalist Christian (I can speak with some authority on the subject, having been raised as one) then doing anything that looks like you don’t believe in the eminent Return of the Lord Jesus Christ makes it appear that you don’t have the faith required for salvation. Now THAT is being caught between a rock and hard place. Or should we say between the warmth of Hell and global warming?

It does get a wee bit dicey when they start pushing the run-up to the Battle of Armageddon over the oil in Mesopotamia.

But then we have the evangelicals talking about being good stewards of Earth ... you know, this God-thing can get confusing.

Maybe it’s like the existentialists say, it really doesn’t matter if there is a God or not ... we are still stuck with being aware of our existence and—because we are aware—having to choose. That makes a lot of sense to me these days.