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A Coverup Under Two Presidents: The Unsolved Mystery of the Oklahoma City Bombing

Posted on Feb 21, 2006
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Search and rescue crew members attend a memorial service in front of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City on May 5, 1995.

By Andrew Gumbel

Long before the Iraq war, long before 9/11, the U.S. government had already mastered the art of fluffing its intelligence on a looming threat, botching the response and then working furiously to cover its mistakes.

The 1995 bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building—at the time the worst peacetime atrocity committed on U.S. soil, with 168 dead and hundreds more injured—has been largely overshadowed by the destruction of the World Trade Center and all that has followed. But the storyline is nevertheless unnervingly familiar.

Like the failure to prevent 9/11, this is a case of the federal government first failing to recognize or act on crucial warning signs and then claiming there were no warning signs at all. It’s about coming up with a plausible cover story and sticking to it, no matter what. In contrast to the most glaring failures of the Bush administration, though, the government’s bluff on Oklahoma City has gone largely uncalled. Timothy McVeigh, the alleged mastermind, was sentenced to death and executed, while Terry Nichols, supposedly his only accomplice, is serving a life sentence. And that, for most people, has been the end of the story. Only the dogged persistence of a handful of amateur investigators, academics, journalists and lawyers has revealed more uncomfortable truths about the bombing and who might have committed it. Thanks to a flurry of Freedom of Information and other lawsuits, the FBI’s own paperwork is beginning to seriously contradict the official version of what happened. And more is being revealed all the time.

We now know, from court records and official documents, that at least two undercover operatives were gathering information on Timothy McVeigh and a group of like-minded white supremacists in the early spring of 1995, one of whom gave her government handlers specific information about a plan to blow up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.

We know that, after the bombing, the government expended considerable energy trying to track down a John Doe 2 and other possible accomplices of McVeigh and Terry Nichols—the “others unknown” cited in the federal indictment—before abruptly changing tack nine months later and insisting that McVeigh was the lone mastermind behind the attack and, eventually, that no one else other than Nichols had been involved.

And we know that, as the lone-bomber theory has come under increasingly skeptical scrutiny in recent years, the FBI and other federal agencies have expended considerable energy blocking access to their investigative paper trail. When one of the government informants from the spring of 1995 went public about her role, she found herself prosecuted—unsuccessfully—for allegedly harboring her own bomb plots; she has since gone to ground, too afraid to say more. At least one key government official, the state medical examiner in Oklahoma City, has indicated he was not given key information he needed to do his job. And one of the senior FBI agents involved in the early stages of the bombing probe now believes that enough new evidence has come to the surface from the files of his own agency to warrant a new federal grand jury investigation.

Perhaps most unnerving is the trail of dead bodies that has turned up over the past decade under less than transparent circumstances. A neo-Nazi bank robber called Richard Guthrie, one of the leading John Doe 2 candidates—though never publicly identified as such—was found hanging in a prison cell in July 1996. Kenney Trentadue, a man who looked very much like Guthrie, right down to a snake-motif tattoo on one arm, and appears to have been mistaken for him when he was picked up on a parole violation on the Mexican border in the summer of 1995, wound up bloodied and traumatized from head to toe in his cell at a federal detention facility in Oklahoma City. The feds claimed he hanged himself. An inmate who later came forward and claimed he witnessed Trentadue being beaten to death by his interrogators was himself found hanging in a federal prison cell in 2000.

The person who has done most of the recent work in unmasking the mysteries of Oklahoma City is Kenney Trentadue’s brother Jesse, a Salt Lake City lawyer who has not only fought to have his brother’s death recognized as murder, not suicide, but is also suing the FBI to release a trove of documents that might shed light on the links among McVeigh, Guthrie and a group of Guthrie’s associates widely suspected—at least outside the confines of the Justice Department—of being McVeigh’s bombing accomplices.

Jesse Trentadue has been all over the federal government like a bad case of lice ever since the authorities at the Federal Transfer Center in Oklahoma City unsuccessfully tried to arrange for Kenney’s battered body to be cremated before the family had had a chance to look at it or even learn what kind of injuries he had sustained. He not only insisted on the family taking receipt of the body, he has also raised question after question about the government’s credibility. Jesse has gotten a prison guard to admit under oath that he lied when he testified about seeing Kenney hanging by a bedsheet, gotten the authorities to admit they never told the medical examiner’s office that someone else’s blood was found in Kenney’s cell, and cast compelling doubt on the suicide note Kenney supposedly scrawled in pencil on his cell wall saying he had lost his mind.

Over the years, as the Kenney Trentadue case has become increasingly intertwined with the Oklahoma City bombing case, Jesse Trentadue has won some key allies in both the federal prison bureaucracy and law enforcement. Just over a year ago, a former FBI agent gave him two heavily redacted agency teletypes connecting some of the dots between Richard Guthrie and McVeigh. Trentadue took the documents to federal court to demand unredacted versions, along with any other documents that might shed light on the Guthrie-McVeigh connection [legal briefing]. The legal process is grinding on, but Trentadue has already obtained one key ruling in his favor from U.S. District Judge Dale Kimball and squeezed more than 100 pages of (even more heavily) redacted documents out of the FBI.

Even in redacted form, these documents prove for the first time that FBI investigators were pursuing links between the Oklahoma City bombing and a series of 22 bank robberies carried out across the Midwest in 1993-1995 by a neo-Nazi group calling itself the Aryan Republican Army. Guthrie was a member of the ARA. So too were two members of a skinhead band from Philadelphia, Scott Stedeford and Kevin McCarthy, as well as an old friend of Guthrie’s, Pete Langan, the brains behind the gang who also, curiously, happened to be a closet transvestite with a penchant for shaving his pubic hair and painting his toenails pink.

All were tried and convicted on robbery charges only. But it’s now clear the feds thought they were involved in a whole lot more.

The first teletype, from January 1996, puts BOMBROB, the FBI’s code word for the bank robbery investigation, under the general heading OKBOMB, its name for the bombing investigation. The second teletype, from August 1996, spells out what the ARA was suspected of planning with the tens of thousands of dollars it stole from the banks. In the subject line, the ARA members’ names are grouped along with the topic “Domestic Security/Terrorism.” The “threatened harm,” it says, included political assassination, genocide and bombings. Guthrie and another member of the gang are reported to have admitted giving someone—the name is blacked out—part of the bank robbery loot.

It is already widely suspected that the financing for the Oklahoma City bomb came from the ARA, and indeed that McVeigh was an occasional participant in the bank robberies. McVeigh once told his sister Jennifer that money he passed on to her had come from a bank heist. Does this document show that the FBI had evidence cementing the link between the ARA and McVeigh?

For a certain answer to that, we will have to wait a little longer. Judge Kimball has seen unredacted versions of all the released FBI teletypes, and is expected to rule imminently on whether to make them public. He has indicated fairly strongly that he will, having ruled last May that “the public’s interest in knowing the information [in the teletypes] outweighs the interest of the [named] individuals in keeping such information confidential.”

His ruling could, if it goes in Trentadue’s favor, finally blow the cover of the government’s version of the Oklahoma City bombing. The McVeigh-as-lone-mastermind theory was certainly useful in securing a conviction and death sentence against McVeigh—something that was far from a foregone conclusion at the time of his trial. But that does not mean the government necessarily believes that it is the whole truth; the involvement of McVeigh and Nichols may, rather, have been all that the feds were in a position to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

Several things about the lone-mastermind theory have never mind sense. The official version does not explain how McVeigh and Nichols could have successfully built the huge fertilizer bomb on their own without any explosives training. (Guthrie, by contrast, had received weapons instruction when he was training, unsuccessfully, to be a Navy SEAL.) It stretches credulity by suggesting that McVeigh drove the fully primed bomb more than 300 miles from Kansas to Oklahoma City—something that ordnance experts say would have carried a high probability of premature detonation. (An alternative theory holds that McVeigh and his accomplices assembled the bomb in Oklahoma City on the morning of the attack.) It cannot explain how every single eyewitness who saw McVeigh as he made his final preparations for the attack saw him with someone else (and not Terry Nichols, either). And it does not account for the financing of the operation: McVeigh was jobless and broke from 1992 on, and yet he spent months shortly before the bombing frantically crisscrossing the country, staying in motels and making several sizable purchases. He paid cash for everything.

If McVeigh did have accomplices, then one place he might have found them was a white supremacist religious compound in rural Oklahoma called Elohim City. The feds were deeply suspicious of Elohim City, seeing it in the early spring of 1995 as potentially another Waco. Its residents included the notorious White Aryan Resistance leader Dennis Mahon, a shady German called Andreas Strassmeir and an occasional ARA member called Michael Brescia. Its visitors included other ARA members and McVeigh, going under the pseudonym Tim Tuttle.

It later emerged that Mahon’s girlfriend, Carol Howe, was an informant for the ATF, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. She was the one who heard plans being hatched—by Mahon and Strassmeir—to blow up a government building, accompanied Elohim City residents on one of three reconnaissance trips to Oklahoma City, and reported seeing McVeigh on the premises. We also know, from evidence that emerged during the pretrial discovery process, that McVeigh called Elohim City two weeks before the bombing and asked to speak to Strassmeir.

The January 1996 FBI teletype made public by Jesse Trentadue adds two intriguing details to this. One is that McVeigh, when he made his phone call, “was believed to have been attempting to recruit a second conspirator to assist in the OKBOMB attack.” And the other is that there was a second informant at Elohim City, working on behalf of the Southern Poverty Law Center, the Alabama-based civil rights organization whose lead lawyer, Morris Dees, has been the scourge of racists and neo-Nazis from one end of the country to the other.

The teletype says the Southern Poverty Law Center informant was at Elohim City two days before the bombing when someone—the name is redacted—put in a phone call to the compound. If true, this is an incendiary revelation, because it suggests that the center knew far more about the Oklahoma City bombing than it let on in its immediate aftermath. In an e-mail he wrote to Jesse Trentadue in January 2005, Mark Potok, who edits the center’s Intelligence Report, flatly denied that the SPLC had an informant, “or anyone else,” at Elohim City. Two years earlier, however, Morris Dees, when asked at a meeting at Southeastern Oklahoma State University whether his organization had had any inside source at Elohim City, made no such denial. Rather, he dodged the question, acknowledging that his organization worked closely with the FBI and other federal agencies but omitting any precise details.

“We did notify the FBI and Janet Reno six months before the Oklahoma bombing that we had strong information that there was going to be a serious domestic terrorism strike,” Dees added. “Within minutes after it [the Murrah Building bombing] hit the news ... we called the criminal division of the FBI and said ‘quit looking at Muslim businessmen who visit Oklahoma, you got to be looking at people involved in this Patriot movement.’  ”

We still have no clear idea of who knew what about the bombing, when they learned it, what attempts, if any, were made to prevent the calamity and why any such efforts failed. What we do know, however, is that the government had a lot more information than it was willing to admit publicly—or even to turn over to the defense teams in the various bombing trials that have taken place since 1997.

One trove of hitherto unseen FBI documents cropped up on the eve of Timothy McVeigh’s execution in 2001, delaying his death at the federal death row facility in Terre Haute, Ind., by almost a month. More were leaked to John Solomon, a Washington-based Associated Press reporter, in 2004—including a Secret Service file

  containing the extraordinary revelation that government agents had access to security videotapes of the Murrah Building in which “the suspects” (more than one) are seen exiting the Ryder truck containing the bomb three minutes before the explosion.

When Terry Nichols was retried on state murder charges in Oklahoma that same year—in an ultimately unsuccessful attempt by prosecutors to get him sentenced to death—the defense team tried to use the Solomon documents as exculpatory evidence for their client on the basis that the more others were involved, the less significant Nichols’ own role would appear to have been. They also made a passionate case

  that Nichols had been denied a fair trial because the FBI and other agencies had improperly concealed relevant evidence.

The judge in the Oklahoma case, Steven Taylor, refused to grant them satisfaction on that front, saying he simply did not believe the official documents stating that the government had access to security video footage of the Murrah Building. As for any link to the ARA bank robbery gang, he called it a “dry hole.” “There is absolutely no evidence of any overt act by the bank robbers in bombing the Murrah Building,” Judge Taylor insisted, “nothing at all to link the bank robbers to the crime that is being tried before this court.”

That, though, was before Jesse Trentadue came forward with his own stash of official documents. Trentadue is an undeniably colorful character, filling his legal briefs with trenchant statements about the federal government’s iniquities and writing taunting e-mails to Robert Mueller, the FBI director, and others whenever he feels he has won a little victory over them. Last May, when Judge Kimball issued a ruling ordering the FBI to produce every document Trentadue had requested, the subject line of his e-mail to Mueller read: OH MY GOSH DARN BIGGEST FRIGGIN’ HECK!!! “After you read [the judge’s] order,” he wrote, “you are going to need a case of Preparation H!”

If Trentadue is unorthodox in his approach, he is nevertheless effective. In 2001, he secured $1.1 million in damages from the Justice Department for the emotional distress his family suffered over his brother’s suspicious death. That judgment has since been upheld on appeal, although the amount is still being litigated. Over the past year, his assault on the FBI has been equally dogged. When he first made a request for a copy of the January 1996 teletype, the FBI told him it did not exist. When he followed up that request with his own redacted copy of the teletype, along with a declaration from a former FBI special agent giving very specific information on where it was likely to be filed based on information on the teletype itself, the FBI said it had conducted a computer search for the terms Trentadue had requested and come up empty. Such a search, the FBI contended, was all that was required of the agency under the Freedom of Information Act.

Judge Kimball vigorously disagreed. “The court finds that the FBI’s search was not reasonably calculated to discovery [sic] the requested documents,” he wrote in his order last May. The FBI then announced it had 340 relevant documents in its possession and promised to release them all as ordered. When push came to shove, however, the number of documents it actually produced near the end of July was just 25; all were so heavily redacted that in places whole paragraphs were whited out and no significant new information could be gleaned from any of them. “The 340 number,” the FBI explained, “... included numerous multiple matches that actually identified the same document.” Oddly, the batch of 25 documents itself contained multiple versions of the same files; once the duplicates and draft versions were removed, the number of new documents numbered just 17.

Once again, Judge Kimball was unimpressed and ordered the FBI to give him unredacted copies of everything to examine in camera so he could decide for himself whether there was any valid reason to keep the redacted parts secret. At first the FBI resisted vigorously, going so far as to announce the day after Kimball’s new order that it had reopened the Oklahoma City bombing investigation and that it was therefore no longer obliged to respond to any related FOIA request. In the end, though, the FBI produced the documents as ordered, and Kimball conducted his examination of them behind closed doors last November. His decision on their publication is still pending.

The full lessons from all this remain to be learned, in part because we are very far from getting to the bottom of the mystery. But it’s clear that the intelligence failures and institutional coverups we have seen in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks and the Iraq war are part of a historical pattern. The FBI, in common with other federal agencies, is interested in defending its own bureaucratic interests first and establishing the truth only a distant second. It is prepared to go to extraordinary lengths to avoid having to admit mistakes, even if that means allowing people suspected of posing a significant threat to public safety to go free. Dennis Mahon, who is banned from travel to Britain and other countries because of his political activities, has never been seriously troubled by the Oklahoma City bomb investigators. Andreas Strassmeir was allowed to leave the United States and return to Germany in early 1996 even though it was clear at the time that he had had contact with McVeigh immediately before the bombing and might, at the very least, have made an important witness. Several of the ARA bank robbers, meanwhile, have completed their sentences and are now free.

Even if the FBI has valid reasons for thinking that a broader prosecution of McVeigh’s accomplices could not stand up in court—because the evidence is lacking, or because the case might have to be built on the testimony of neo-Nazis and convicted bank robbers—there is no excuse not to be more forthcoming about what the agency knows, and never mind whose pride gets hurt in the process. America deserves to be told everything possible about the Oklahoma City bombing, just as it deserves to be told everything about 9/11. That includes the full factual record of the crime itself, the conduct of the investigation, the leads that could not be solidified and, yes, the false trails and the screw-ups. In an ideal world, Congress or the FBI itself would be the guarantor of full disclosure. As it is, we have to rely on dogged individuals like Jesse Trentadue to squeeze the information out drop by drop.

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By Casson, November 23, 2009 at 8:52 pm Link to this comment
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I am doing a state report about Oklahoma and this is awfull

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By RAE, May 9, 2007 at 8:54 pm Link to this comment

Hey “Candian Guy”...

How about you forget about writing an “assignment” until you learn how the writethe English language!

Good grief! You’ve concocted a whole new grammar, lexicon and style… congratulations! However, don’t be surprised if very few understand anything you’re saying.

Hell, you can’t even spell “Canadian” -

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By Candian Guy, May 9, 2007 at 8:08 am Link to this comment
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This as to be solved i am doing a assignment and i really don’t have to clue to writebecause so far on my research i have found at least 23 stories and information that hasn’t made sense or related to eachother, other than mCveigh is teh guy who done it and the goverment some what had tro do wit it, whether the governemnt actually done it and frame mcveigh, or ther are more ppl invovleed….anyway im goin insane and im regretting that i picked this for a assigment…..The Truth of what really happen needs to happen….cuz there have been ppls lives lost and…...basically there needs to be justice , there other [ppl in on this im sure…...somethin as to be done!

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By njaf certu, March 24, 2007 at 7:15 am Link to this comment
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uhh shouldnt like all those people be standing in a crater of some sort?

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By Lisa G, September 24, 2006 at 4:34 pm Link to this comment
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I hope and pray that the multitude of others that were involved in this horrible crime will finally be brought to justice. Many of them are out of prison and walking the streets. Others have never served a day for their part in this horrific event. There are others who were passively involved that simply just let the machine do its job. I have been an investigator on this case for quite some time now and believe there are many pieces of hard evidence that when properly assembled will spell out the truth. I also pray that the Congressional hearings in November will not turn ugly as the Grand Jury investigation did in Oklahoma when the media opted to kill the messengers.

I applaud everyone that has had the fortitude to continue ferreting out the truth…piece by piece until finally the victims and family members will have some answer as to what really happened on April 19, 1995.

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By MTC, August 3, 2006 at 4:32 am Link to this comment
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This is just what I was writing about.  Leave the engineering conclusions, fault of the government, conclusions that every attack since Rome burned was a conspiracy ad nausium…out of it!!

The Congressional committee is NOT going to listen to that sort of stuff.  Let it happen without 7,000 other opinions getting in the way.
Then, Ron,  you can espouse whatever you want. Noone wants to get to the bottom of this more than the families and survivors.  If the government was in on it (rather knew about it beforehand) as Trentadue’s documents may suggest, then we want that out in the open too.

There are survivors of the 1983 VAN bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut who could inform us of the damage such a bomb.  Check this out:
http://www.lebaneseforces.com/images/blt1983/
Bombing of US Marine Barracks - October 22nd 1983

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By Ron Larsen, August 1, 2006 at 10:41 pm Link to this comment
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RE:Comment #16122 by MTC2 on 8/01 at 3:36 pm—
Ther fertilizer bomb was not rigidly coupled to the building,an essential requirement for an explosive to create the level of damage produced in the OKC building. The Ryder truck containing the explosives was parked near the curb of the building, which meant that air was the only means of transferring substantial energy from the barrels containing the fertilzier mixture to the building.  It was because the alleged terrorists failed to position the explosives against the uprights of the building in the early 90s bombing of the WTC that the explosives did so little damage to that building. 

There are two additional pieces of evidence that support General Partin’s engineering conclusion, which was that the building was destroyed using high velocity explosive taped or strapped to several of the building’s support columns. 

1.  Photographs show that one or more of the columns of the building were blown toward the street, where the Ryder truck was parked.  This means that the explosives that actually brought down the building were located inside the building.

2.  On the scene reporters from the CNN affiate in OKC reported that several large exposive packages were removed from the interior of the building after the building collapsed. I have tI have the tape recording of that report and have listened to it several times to confirm this fact. I believe anyone can listen to this recording by going to http://www.whatreallyhappened.

Fertilizer bombs can create enormous dameage but to do so they must be placed in physical contact with the structure to be demolished. Air-coupling just will not do the job—- Air is an extreme poor transmitter of the mechanical energy created by the explosion of a bomb.

There is a body of evidence that demonstrates that like the original WTC bombing and 9/11 the OKC bombing was nearly certainly a government-run false flag operation. It was designed to garner early public support for anti-terror legislation that in 2001 morphed into the Constitution-smashing USA Patriot Act.

Regards,

Ron Larsen

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By MTC2, August 1, 2006 at 3:36 pm Link to this comment
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Folks, please don’t “gum up” the long and exausting work that
Jesse Trentadue has done on this case.  What he
has learned and given to all of us has only now born
fruit. 
Congress, in September, will now, finally, investigate
the bombing. No “theory” about other explosive devices,
other pie-in-the-sky “investigations” has done that
for eleven years!!  In regards to that, if you really
want to know what a fertilizer-based bomb can do, you
have only to look at 100s of pictures of buildings
damaged or demolished in WWII.
Let the Congressional investigation go on without the
rest of these theories being a sideshow!  We plead
for you to even contact your own Congressperson and
encourage an even more wide-scale look into this case.

Oh, I “only” lost my left eye and a piece of my skull,
among other injuries, in the OKC bombing.  This article
is excellent!!  Thank you for it.

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By GChipman, February 27, 2006 at 10:35 pm Link to this comment
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I am a widow of the Oklahoma City bombing. Along with many others in Oklahoma who were directly affected by the bombing, we are thankful to Jesse Trentadue for his tenasity and courage.  For years, to no avail, many Oklahoman’s have written to our state Representives trying to enlist their help in obtaining Congressional Hearings into the bombing.  Instead, our letters go unanswered, and our pleas for accountablility go unheeded. Yes, the information coming out in the Trentadue case clearly shows that there was a cover-up of the OKC bombing, yet know one in Oklahoma wants to touch that story, nor demand a true accounting of the “then worst terrorist act on American soil”.  One of our own Senators publicly stated shortly after the bombing, “they knew it (the bombing) was going to occur.”  Yet, know one did anything to prevent it.  Of course he retracted his statement shortly after that and everyone buried their heads in the sand. In Aug. of 2001 a group of widow’s of the bombing formed a group called Victims of Terrorism Informaion and Vital Exchange Services.  At present, our group has grown to included family members, survivors, and concerned citizens from around the nation who too are seeking Congressional Hearings into the bombing.  If you would like to be added to our mailing list, updated on how the Trentadue case and the OKC bombing are eerily connected, or sign petions to Congress demanding hearings,please write us at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

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By R. A. Earl, February 27, 2006 at 12:40 pm Link to this comment
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Even if Hope in #4328 is correct, I remain puzzled by something.

“We” have the technology to destroy practically anything that matters. But why do it?

I know that sounds like the question of a simpleton… and I may even have to plead guilty to that charge. But it’s beyond me what the value is to any government of a destroyed city (or building) or toxic environment and a pile of dead bodies. I mean if you kill all the people and destroy their means of making a living, WHO’S GOING TO BUY STUFF? And if you “Chernobyl” the countryside, WHO’S GOING TO PROFIT? You can’t live on it or develop it.

I guess that’s why no one has actually used atomic weapons since 1945… even the military/industrial complex loses… surely it’s far less profitable to produce one atomic bomb than countless tons of conventional weaponry.

The images keep coming back to me… million-dollar-a-pop cruise missiles slamming into Baghdad… not so many as to level the place… just enough to do a LOT of damage so there are BILLIONS to be made by the greedy, sleazy “Haliburtons” of this world repairing it. The whole thing is so profoundly evil and insane it makes me puke!

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By Hope, February 26, 2006 at 4:10 pm Link to this comment
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R.A Earl, you are so right! We don’t really know anything. We are an intelligent species that must be deliberately dumbed down and fattened up by empty calories in all the intellectual junk food we are served - in its slick packaging, expensively and carefully disguised to pass as truth, freedom of information, democracy, etc.- to facilitate our ‘care and handling’. Our minds, in that sense, are being starved nutritionally, with intent, and those who at least know they are starving, who vocally resist and refuse the garbage being served, are ostracized; outcast to end up like a mob of hungry, homeless street urchins at Mardi Gras - so busy scrambling and fighting over the candy and trinkets tossed off the Mardi Gras floats, that they miss the entire parade going by.  Whatever crumbs they toss our way are only distractions to keep us from paying attention to what is really going on, almost in plain sight.

I work in OKC, very near the Murrah building and know that so many of us, then and now, still think that none of what we have been told, or the information ‘leaked’ - any of it - fits with what was felt and witnessed at the time, particularly before the blast.

So in keeping with the “whole elephant” concept, I started stepping back, further and further, and widening the lens, until, hopefully, I could get a picture big enough to include and incorporate all the seemingly incomplete, inconsequential, illogical, and/or incongruous pieces.

I started looking for other things, pictures of areas, buildings, surrounding the site; interviews in local papers, things that didn’t make it to CNN; talking to people that were afraid (and still are) to speak up; seismic readings at that time. etc., and that eventually lead me to a truly amazing place - Tom Bearden’s website on scalar (electromagnetic) technology and weaponry http://www.cheniere.org/index.html

I read through it - all of it -watched an old video he presented to the gov’t which you can download and watch online at http://www.cheniere.org/video/sovietweathervideo.html and was stunned.

I have a science background, but realize many don’t, so an even better site that is a good primer for Bearden, and in understanding the history and the technology is http://www.prahlad.org/pub/bearden/scalar_wars.htm#5ufos

Eventually I found my way back to Scott Stevens site on Weather Wars, http://www.weatherwars.info/index.php which I had been visiting for a couple of years, ever since I saw 16 sun dogs in 60 days in Oklahoma - highly unusual and incredible for the area and season - and was looking everywhere to explain it.  Scott, a successful TV Weatherman, is committed to alerting the public to the massive scalar weather manipulation going on around the globe.  A recent link on his site, almost synchronistic in light of when and where I was in researching all this - was to some older data from Harry Mason, a geologist/geophysicist in Perth, who has been compiling information and evidence about the bases and scalar weapons development in Australia. http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/9654/tesla/brightsky5.html This link is to Part 5 of his reports, which specifically discusses the OKC bombing, however it is worthwhile to read the first 4 parts as well to see how long this has been going on. 

My entire paradigm has shifted, and I think I might have been better off not knowing what I now suspect is the ‘big picture’; the parade going by that that they don’t want us to see.  And worse yet, I may even understand and possibly agree with the need to keep it disclosed from the general public.

I think it is entirely possible that the OKC attack was an EM pulse blast, and the truck bomb was a diversion.  So many people with the background and expertise to know say the bomb in the truck could not have caused the immediate or peripheral damage - especially blocks down the street - that was evident.  There are lots of other things too that show a cover-up, but that isn’t the issue. 

I am now wondering how this technology is being used and by whom.  Apparently, according to Tom Bearden, and other credible scientists, it seems quite a few other parties have this technology - even the Yakuza are leasing it from the Russians - and we were more or less behind the eight ball in development of it; the reasons explained on the sites. 

In any case, the EM weaponry and weather manipulation potential answers so many questions about the how in some of the more recent world shaking events, but not the why.  I’m still researching and thinking about that.  Evil is just a perspective, so I’m trying to avoid thinking in terms of good and evil and thinking rather in terms of agendas and competing interests without assigning value judgments and that is hard.

But I really think this EM/scalar issue is something that requires serious scrutiny. This has been around for so long now and our attention has been diverted so effectively that we don’t even realize that what we see on CNN or Fox headlines or breaking news is just what they want us to worry about so we won’t pay attention to what is really happening, sometimes right under our noses.

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By Richard, February 26, 2006 at 6:59 am Link to this comment
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Take a look at this picture:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/plastic.jpg
It shows a Murrah Building support pillar among the wreckage after the explosion.  Someone has gone to the trouble to set up a ladder and tape a large plastic sheet around the base of the pillar.  The plastic sheet could only serve to hide something from view.  There is no reason why this particular part of the wreckage, but no other, needed to be protected from sunlight!  We all remember reports of a second unexploded bomb in the wreckage during the early rescue operations.
The rescuers actually ran away for a few minutes, leaving trapped victims alone. Later, all such reports went down the memory hole!

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By tg, February 25, 2006 at 8:13 pm Link to this comment
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Why is the comment of clh the only one that mentions what must be apparent to anyone who has any knowledge of explosives: that the nature and extent of the damage to the Alfred P Murrah Building was far more severe than what could have been caused by an ANFO* charge in a vehicle parked outside the building?

This is the single most neglected aspect of the story. You really need to get input from some explosives experts about it.

I am no expert, but I did train in bomb disposal with the British military and I can tell you with confidence that ANFO is a “lifting charge”, as opposed to a “cutting charge”. This means that it has low brisance** and while it is suitable for shifting large masses of material, it is inefficient at breaking up structures such as steel-reinforced buildings. For that, you need a high-brisance charge, with a high velocity of detonation.

The type of structural damage seen in the OKBOMB could only have been caused by a high-brisance charge. An ANFO charge—even inside the building—would have blown out all windows, doors, fittings and non-supporting walls, but would have left the framework of the building intact.

*ANFO = Ammonium Nitrate/Fuel Oil (ammonium nitrate is a commonly used chemical fertilizer)

**Brisance = The shattering effect of the sudden release of energy in a detonation.

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By Rex Cullum, February 25, 2006 at 2:34 am Link to this comment
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Responding relatively to comment by R.A.Earl;
  Get cynical—-really cynical.  Megacorporations that are the producers of arms who own media conglomerates,agricultural empires and petrochemical interfaces; a handfull of individuals who control every aspect of your life from the food you eat to the news you watch to what music you listen. Big Brother has been watching you all along, except now thanks to the “patriot act” you can be “disappeared” with no due process—-legally.  Is there an echo in this society or what?  Before OKC, there was JFK(seventy some odd murders of people who knew too much).  Then there were all those folks who had accidents around Mena Arkansas when Oliver North and Gov. Bill Clinton were funding the genocide of our inner city ghettos via a cocaine epidemic.  And, oh, yes,the most recent tanker load of Bullsh##—- After multiple warnings,some, even personal envoys from intelligence services of allies; Our government “Had no idea” the attacks on the WTC were about to take place.  All ensuing thereafter to become the most profoundly criminal process to initiate since the man with a Bush on his lip was in charge in Germany. 
  Meet the new boss same as the old boss. Oh, yes, by the way, you’re not living in a democracy.  You’ve just been told so so many times you believe it—ask the native Americans whose tribal pact the constitution was patterned upon. Here are some really good references concerning the core of our national mythologies and recent events; http://www.911truth.org, http://www.ckln.fm/~asadismi/CIA50.html, http://www.wealth4freedom.com/truth/13/mena.htm
  Horrors like the OKC bombing and 911 will become evermore commonplace as the world becomes simultaneously more populated and the control of its goods and resouces become evermore consolidated into the hands of a few(ever more ruthless and greedy)——“necessitating” ever more sophisticated forms of control by the powers that be. 1984 redux. If the facts don’t correlate with the rhetoric and the “official” story?  Just the facts, Mam.  You learned to connect the dots in preschool; keep practicing.

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By rupert, February 24, 2006 at 12:19 pm Link to this comment
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Bluedogs: If you have not noticed many people in the world have great educations but are merely educated fools.

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By ryan, February 24, 2006 at 9:56 am Link to this comment
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Great article, we need more independent media like this.

for those who are into this type of media check out http://www.coanews.org

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By Monkey, February 24, 2006 at 9:16 am Link to this comment
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Remember Terrance Yeakey, another man murdered by the state for knowing too much in reguards to the okc bombing.  His wife was interviewed for over an hour about what happened to her husband…very disturbing.  You can listen to the audio here: http://www.cerebellum.tv/stories/yeakey.php

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By Brad Stone, February 24, 2006 at 8:22 am Link to this comment
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Great article - but a little heavy on the “white supremist” and “neo-nazi” allegations.  These tired phrases, like “anti-government” and “anti-Semetist” often used to stir up violent mental imagery, is of little use over 10 years later.  Today, the name “Randy Weaver” is rarely prefaced with the formerly-obligatory “white separatist” description.

In 1995, the “bad guy” was “domestic terrorism” with bumbling “white supremists” supposely at the helm.  In 2006, the “bad guys” are anti-Zionist Muslims. 

The “patriot movement” is dead for a reason,guys. But the same obvious goverment tactics to diffuse suspicion of their complicity still apply.

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By dukevl, February 23, 2006 at 9:56 pm Link to this comment
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in the dvd of “in plane site” they show something about the oklahoma city bombing
the newspeople were saying that there were
more bombs that didn’t go off.
but they didn’t say anything to the public.

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By Ian, February 23, 2006 at 9:18 pm Link to this comment
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What I find interesting is how the government steadfastly refuses to acknowledge right wing terrorism, whether it is from an abortion clinic bomber to shooting sprees committed by NAZI or Christian Identity adherents. In the cases of shooting sprees, one by a neo-nazi perpetrated against Jewish children in California and the other by a follower of the World Church of the Creator in the Midwest, the government swallowed the line that these were rogue operators. In both cases, the perpetrators had resigned from their respective groups a month before committing their acts and claimed mental problems. In both cases, the government declined to follow up. At the same time, we are told that environmental and animal rights activists who have committed vandalism, torching SUVs and similar actions that have caused no deaths, are “eco-terrorists” and are being actively labeled a paramount threat and pursued by the FBI. It seems that in the eyes of our corporate controlled government, no right winger shall be labelled a terrorist, no matter how many they kill, whereas anyone who commits an act against corporate interests, no matter how minor, shall be thus labelled.

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By Bob, February 23, 2006 at 11:48 am Link to this comment
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The Details are important,Yes all the tapes should have been Released,Likely doctored, as was the Zapruder Historical film of Kennedy’s Asasinnation.Who benefitted from this act?The US Government,In giving itself more control over the population by passing the Domestic Terrorist act.What is interesting as an Observation is that our leaders keep pulling the same Tricks over and over and the Majority of the Population keep falling for Frauds Perpetrated on again and again.My sympathies do go to the Victims of this Pre-Planned event

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By Gill Bates, February 23, 2006 at 11:26 am Link to this comment
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The fact that the US government refuses to allow anyone do a thorough investigation is kind of obvious. There is something involved that they don’t want know.

One thing that is known is the fact that there were more sophisticated bombs in the basement that did much of the damage.

There is also much evidence indicating that there were at least two bombs in the basement that did not go off as intended.

Forget looking at racing as a source of the culprit. That’s circumstancial evidence. Don’t narrow the search.

IMHO, the other culprits have military background.
(clearly they are not too good)

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By Nate, February 23, 2006 at 11:25 am Link to this comment
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Speaking of deaths associated with this, I saw something on WRH regarding the lead investigator in OK who initially investigated this case and was brutally murdered…  Anyone have some linked documentation on that?

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By bluedogs, February 23, 2006 at 11:16 am Link to this comment
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To Rachel:

The word stupid is spelled incorrectly in your post.  The only reason, this article was dumb and stupid to you is because you are both. 
Get an education, Rachel.

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By tahomaactivist, February 23, 2006 at 9:55 am Link to this comment
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This is great.  OKC had itched at me for years simply because I knew the particulars of the blast and knew that it wasn’t in keeping with a single explosion.  Pillars outside the main blast area (McVeigh’s truck) received way more damage than pillars right next to the truck.  Now before the loonies come out of the woodwork, the truck’s blast wasn’t directed.  It expanded in a sphere, just like you’d expect a fuel-oil bomb to do, but their were other blasts which some researchers felt had to be shaped charges on the pillars.

Scholars for 9/11 Truth is great - I suggest you all check it out.  You too, Jesse, there might be some folks there that could help you out.  911truth.org is good too.

I would suggest, however, that you not ascribe too much credibility to the American Free Press.  They are affiliated with some extreme right-wing types that may have even had a hand in the OKC bombing.  I don’t know it for sure, but a lot of their work on this issue seemed like deliberate misinformation and psyops.

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By Gina Chambers, February 23, 2006 at 2:23 am Link to this comment
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I have never met a man with more courage and integrity than Jesse Trentadue.  It has been my privilege to work with him on his endeavors to get to the truth of his brothers murder by the Federal Government. You and your family are in my thoughts and prayers Jesse as well as all of the other families who suffered the loss of a loved one by this horrendous cover-up. The truth shall prevail!!!

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By Eric, February 22, 2006 at 11:43 pm Link to this comment
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Thanks TRUTHDIG for looking deeper at this. The courageous folks in the 9/11 Truth movement have described this event as a trial run to prove how the goverment could blow up a building using well placed explosives and then blame it on a patsy.

Part of the trial was to see if the people and the media could be manipulated into believing the govt story line. Look at the parallels: multiple explosions are heard; shocking destruction and loss of innocent life; govt destroys evidence and locks up files using cloak of national security; McVeigh and Atta are the designated patsy; if you look deeper it doesn’t add up; media buys the official story line and refuses to look deeper; numerous unanswered questions; too many coincidences.

Bottom line: psyops campaigns work well in this country. 

Please ask TRUTHDIG to dig into the facts behind the destruction of the third and forgotten building that fell at 5:30pm that fateful day, WTC7. Controlled demolition requires advanced planning and full access to the building. No airplane hit WTC7.

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By sandy battreall, February 22, 2006 at 6:26 pm Link to this comment
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would like to receive more information on the bombin case as it develops as we family members who do not live in oklahoma we do not get the information of more things happening in the bombing . I always beleived mcveigh did not act alone he wanted all the glory of the bombing for himself.

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By T_Scheisskopf, February 22, 2006 at 6:04 pm Link to this comment
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In the past, I remember reading an official report regarding the bomb used in the OKCity explosion. One of the most under-reported parts of this report regards the presence of Nitromethane and Hydrazine in the mixture.

This got me to sit up and notice. Big time.

I have long been a follower of Drag Racing and I believe the history of this sport can inform investigators as to whom might have been involved in the construction of this bomb. Back in the late 60s and early 70s, Top Fuel drag racers were using a mixture of Nitromethane and Hydrazine as fuel for their cars. It was, however, relatively short-lived as a fuel, because the mixture, especially if allowed to “age”, became unstable and subject to exploding if it received a shock, such as in a hard landing after a wheelstand. The major sanctioning bodies ultimately banned the use of Hydrazine as a fuel additive.

Hydrazine is a powerful detonation potentiator for any nitrated fuel. That is why it is used in rockets.

My point is that it might be wise for investigators of this dark tragedy to look for past involvement in drag racing, especially during the era referenced above, among the possible actors in this crime. It may prove informative.

The use of Nitromethane and Hydrazine, together, is just not something one runs into every day.

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By Todd, February 22, 2006 at 6:04 pm Link to this comment
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A very informative article. But I’ve got to add several things where I disagree with your statements. Having explosives training in a commercial union blasting school, I have to say fuel oil bombs are the most stable and are used on large commercial applications. Also I have seen numerous publications at gun shows and websites that instruct assembly safely.

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By Ron Larsen, February 22, 2006 at 4:32 pm Link to this comment
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What about the meticulous analysis of the bombing prepared by demolitions expert Brigadier General Benton K. Partin, USAF (Ret.) and dated July 30, 1995?

Here is the link to his work:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/PARTIN/okm.htm

On the basis of the known properties of explosives and the physical evidence at the demolition site, Partin concluded that the building was brought down by the firing of several high-velocity demolition packages (like C4) that had been physically mounted, that is mechanically coupled, by persons unknown to the structural columns of the building. 

It was not McVeigh’s fertilizer bomb, a low-velocity explosive package that was contained in his truck and, so, only air-coupled, not mechanically-coupled to the structure, that caused the massive structural damage that caused the building to collapse. 

Partin is not a conspiracy theorist, but instead a respected explosives and demolitions expert who arrived at his conclusions on the basis of physical and photographic evidence and rigorous engineering analysis.

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By rachel, February 22, 2006 at 4:24 pm Link to this comment
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that was the longest story i have ever read that was so stuiped iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittttttttttttttttt wwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaassssssssssssssss dddddddddddddddduuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmbbbbbbbbbbbbb                                                                       by’rachel redigle

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By Christopher Emery, February 22, 2006 at 2:16 pm Link to this comment
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This is an excellent summation of the case.  Thank you for taking the time to write it and post it for all of us to review.

I have spoken with Mr. Trentadue at least twice within the past two years.  I too, admire his courage, tenacity and determination as he discovers more about his brother’s murder and thereby prying the door open further exposing the events before, during and after the OKC bombing.

My colleagues on the OKBIC @ http://www.okcbombing.org are very proud to work with Mr. Trentadue on several aspects of this case from time to time.

The people of Oklahoma City and Mr. Trentadue’s family have been lied to, ignored and patronized for the past eleven years. 

We will find the entire truth to this case.  We will NOT forget.  And we absolutely refuse to remember the deaths of our loved ones in a lie.

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By R. A. Earl, February 22, 2006 at 12:14 pm Link to this comment
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In #4130, Tom Hopson wrote: “While I have zero capability of determining the truth of either side’s arguments…”

This is such a PROFOUNDLY OBVIOUS statement. However, I think it eludes most of us most of the time.

WE… the great unwashed… KNOW almost NOTHING for a FACT. We “know” only what we’re TOLD or what we READ and you’d have to be an idiot to actually BELIEVE what “authorities” tell us.

So, with nothing else to go on, we just run off to repeat and argue over whatever bits and pieces seem to support our already established prejudices.

Our governments have much greater access to what’s really going on… and they aren’t about to tell us what they really know “for security reasons.” What bullshit! They’re not telling because that would level the playing field and give all of us a fighting chance to successfully assess and challenge their views and actions.

As it stands, we… the hordes of the frightened and ignorant… can just be ignored because we simply don’t know what we’re talking about.

That in a nutshell is why the Greeks, who originated the idea of “democracy” distrusted their elected representatives even back then, and why we today must do the same. We are lied to and manipulated and we get to pay through the nose for the privilege.

That said… I have no notion of what system would be an improvement that would actually work. I paraphrase what I remember attributed to Winston Churchill: “Democracy is worst of all government models, except for all the rest.”

It is the information age… and he who is the keeper of the information has an enormous advantage to control and direct the rest of us.

I no longer trust ANYTHING I’m told or hear. And that scares the hell out of me.

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By F. Lee Hinebaugh, February 22, 2006 at 9:41 am Link to this comment
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Jesse Trentadue has proved to be a hero during all these years since his Brother was murdered in a federal prison by employees of the United States’ government (U.S. Department of Justice, Federal Bureau of Prisons, et al).  Because of his unrelenting courage and bravery, now spanning a full decade, I have no doubt that one horrible day I will pick up a newspaper and learn that Jesse Trentadue—like so many others—has been murdered.  Local, state, and federal governments will insist to the media it was an automobile or plane accident, but I will know different.  F. Lee Hinebaugh, Seattle, Washington

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By jesse c. trentadue, February 22, 2006 at 8:19 am Link to this comment
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Thank you for having the courage to run this story when so many others have not!

jesse c. trentadue

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By TOM HOPSON, February 22, 2006 at 8:04 am Link to this comment
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Just had to comment on how credible this article appears.  In virtually ever other “conspiracy theory” piece, there are obvious exagerations and unnamed sources of vague accuracy, outright dismissal of proven facts, or just plainly near-impossible conclusions.  While I have zero capability of determining the truth of either side’s arguments, at least this writing seems to honestly beg the government to show they played by the rules we all expect, and the gov’t frankly isn’t, or hasn’t, yet been able to do so.
Thanks

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By clh, February 22, 2006 at 6:00 am Link to this comment
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If I may, my first impression is ‘here we go again’, and what I mean by that is, it looks like an attempt to cover up the cover up. I hope I am wrong. What about the unexploded devices attached to the building found and carted away? What documents were housed in the building that are forever lost? What about the science that a load of ‘fertilizer’ could not have produced the degree of damage evidenced?  Good luck and thanks for bringing up the subject again, if you are serious you might talk to some of the good people with “www.Scholarsfor911Truth.org”

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