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Robert Scheer: Rice More Sordid Than FoleyPosted on Oct 3, 2006They are such liars. And no, I am not speaking only of the dissembling GOP House leaders led by Speaker Dennis Hastert who, out of naked political calculation, covered up for one of their own in the sordid teen stalking case of Rep. Mark Foley. Call me old school, but I am still more concerned with the Republicans molesting Lady Liberty while pretending to be guarding the nation’s security, an assignment which they have totally botched. The news about the Foley coverup, while important as yet another example of extreme hypocrisy on the part of the Republican virtues police, should not be allowed to obscure the latest evidence of administration deceit as to its egregious ineptness in protecting the nation. On Monday, a State Department spokesman conceded that then-National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice had indeed been briefed in July 2001 by George Tenet, then-director of the CIA, about the alarming potential for an Al Qaeda attack, as Bob Woodward has reported in his aptly named new book, “State of Denial.” “I don’t remember a so-called emergency meeting,” Rice had said only hours earlier, apparently still suffering from some sort of post-9/11 amnesia that seemed to afflict her during her forced testimony to the 9/11 Commission. The omission of this meeting from the final commission report is another example of how the Bush administration undermined the bipartisan investigation that the president had tried to prevent. Surely lying under oath in what was arguably the most important official investigation in the nation’s history should be treated more seriously than the evasiveness in the Paula Jones case that got President Bill Clinton impeached. Nor is it just Rice who should be challenged, for Tenet seems to have provided Woodward with details concerning the administration’s indifference to the terrorist threat that he did not share with the 9/11 Commission. In his book, Woodward described an encounter between Rice and Tenet, in a near panic about a rising flood of intelligence warnings just presented to him by top aide Cofer Black. Tenet forced an unscheduled meeting with Rice on July 10, 2001, because he wanted the Bush administration to take action immediately against Al Qaeda to disrupt a possible domestic attack. “Tenet ... decided he and Black should go to the White House immediately. Tenet called Condoleezza Rice, then national security adviser, from the car and said he needed to see her right away,” Woodward reports. “He and Black hoped to convey the depth of their anxiety and get Rice to kick-start the government into immediate action.” A mountain of evidence proves that the Bush administration did nothing of the sort. Now, if Rice truly does not remember that now-confirmed meeting—which was apparently first reported in the Aug. 4, 2002, Time magazine in an article titled “Could 9/11 Have Been Prevented?”—wouldn’t that indicate she didn’t take it that seriously? Not remembering confirms her inattention to terror reports at a time the Bush administration was already fixated on “regime change” in Iraq. Rice is famously sharp and has an awesome memory. Considering the trauma of 9/11 and its effects, it is inconceivable that Rice would not recall such an ominous and prescient briefing by Tenet and Black, especially after the 9/11 Commission forced her to document and review her actions in those crucial months. It is, however, as she stated Monday, “incomprehensible” that she, then the national security advisor to the president and the person most clearly charged with sounding the alarm, would have ignored the threat. But ignore it the administration did, and then later tried to lay the blame on the Clinton administration, which, Rice claimed at the 9/11 Commission hearings, lied when it said it had given the incoming White House team an action plan for fighting Al Qaeda. “We were not presented with a plan,” Rice infamously argued under questioning from former Sen. Bob Kerrey (D-Neb.), but instead were given a memo with “a series of actionable items” describing how to tackle Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. Such weaseling would be funny if the topic were not so serious. But there is no way Rice can squirm out of this one, despite her impressive track record of calculated distortion on everything from Iraq’s nonexistent WMDs to the trumped-up ties between Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. Can there be any better case for turning over control of at least one branch of Congress to the opposition party so that we might finally have hearings to learn the truth of this matter, which is far more important, and sordid, than the Foley affair?
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By Charlie Brown from outta town, October 17, 2006 at 12:16 pm #
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Well I think there are a lotta of pre assumptions as to whether President Bush is bi-sexual or not! Just because he was photographed by the press walking around holding the Saudi Prince’s hand all day long while walking around on his Crawford Texas Ranch IS NOT PROOF he is bi-sexual or that Mark Foley tripping on viagra had sex with him either! There has been a lot of over speculations unfair to GW Bush because of those old rumors and statements still lingering over the Johnny Gannon male prostitute reporter from a small rag paper and his disapperance from the press room into the Bush family area of the white house for some 6 hours unaccounted for. There again is could be Scott McCellan , Bush’s ex press secretary who was having sex with Gannon the male prostitute who advertised sex for money on the net. People assume too much without proof as was the case in the 1989 Republican fund raiser deal in a northern midwestern town , where is was reported that Vice President Bush Sr. had been reported seen leaving the building after hours with a young 19 year old black boy name Brent and getting into his limo. If that is the case then 19 years old is of legal age and Bush Sr. committed no legal crimes. The same goes as well about the rumors that Mark Foley had hooked up with GW. Bush in the past. Last time I checked Mark Foley is an adult is he not? So if that is so and is more than speculation , there again GW. Bush committed no crime if he even had sex with Foley! So whats everyone’s problem and why are they picking on Bush?
Report thisBy kathyf, October 10, 2006 at 6:59 pm #
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Charlie Jacoby: Regarding your comment:
Report this“Again, Bush & Crew were hardly likely behind 9/11, pending someone proving otherwise, however many questions remain as to all that happened that revolting day (real life is messy); and no one has proven a damn thing.”
CHARLIE, Charlie, how can you say such a thing?? If you had been checking out some of the web sites listed all over the place about 9/11 being an inside job, you would not be saying that!! Check the proof, Charlie, it’s there. Start with the widows and families of 9/11. See “9/11: Press for the Truth.”
By John Doraemi, October 10, 2006 at 2:40 pm #
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MURKY STORY
George Tenet and Cofer Black claim there was a meeting on impending attacks. That has been corroborated by State Department records of the meeting.
We know there were dozens of warnings issued from high level foreign officers and presidents.
How does the CIA play into this entire gameplan?
It is not necessary to accept that Tenet and Black are telling the whole truth. The CIA had to do its job, even if some—or both—of them were compromised and on-board with letting the attacks succeed. There were other CIA people with knowledge (who may also have been in the briefing), and some of them may have been legitimately involved in counter-terrorism.
I repeat, some at the top of CIA may have been illegitimate and complicit with allowing the attacks, while others may not have been.
Evidence for CIA aiding the terrorist plotters of 9-11 is out in the open. Here is a very significant piece of it (REFERENCE THE FBI INSPECTOR GENERAL REPORT):
“By far the most damning material in the FBI inspector general’s report relates to Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, two of the 9/11 hijackers who lived in the San Diego area for much of 2000 and 2001. The report details at least five instances during this period when the FBI could have or should have become aware of their presence and purpose.
The two men entered the United States on January 15, 2000, flying from Bangkok, Thailand to Los Angeles International Airport. Mihdhar was a participant at a January 5, 2000 meeting of Al Qaeda operatives in Malaysia, where he and others were photographed by an unnamed intelligence service. These photos were supplied to the CIA.
The US National Security Agency had separately identified Hazmi as an associate of Mihdhar. The two men were tracked by the CIA traveling from Malaysia to Thailand.
CIA cables contemporaneously discussed Mihdhar’s travel and the fact that he had a US visa in his Saudi passport. So intensive was the surveillance that agents obtained a photocopy of the passport and visa stamp and delivered it to CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia. Two months later, the Bangkok CIA station identified Hazmi as Mihdhar’s traveling companion and reported that he had traveled on from Bangkok to Los Angeles on January 15, 2000.
The most critical information about Mihdhar and Hazmi was withheld from the FBI for more than a year and a half. The FBI was informed about the Malaysia meeting as soon as it happened, and even about Mihdhar’s presence at it. But there was no mention of his passport with a multiple-entry US visa, giving him easy access to American territory, where the FBI had the principal responsibility for counterterrorism. Nor did the CIA tell the FBI that Hazmi had actually entered the country, which would certainly have triggered an alert. The CIA itself did not put either man on any other security watch list.
Two weeks after their arrival in Los Angeles, Mihdhar and Hazmi moved to San Diego, apparently at the urging of a new acquaintance, Omar Bayoumi, a man once under FBI surveillance and believed to be an operative or asset of the Saudi intelligence service. He invited the two newly arrived Saudis to San Diego, where they rented an apartment in the complex where he lived. Bayoumi co-signed the lease and even wrote a check for the rent because the two had only cash.
In May 2000, the two men rented a room from another San Diego man who was an FBI informant, and who reported their arrival and their first names to his handler. The handler did not ask the last names or show any other interest.
The informant is not named in the inspector general’s report, but he has been identified in previous press accounts as Abdussattar Shaikh, another Saudi immigrant. (Both Shaikh and his FBI handler, now retired, refused to speak with the FBI inspector general probing the bureau’s response to 9/11, a remarkable circumstance that is recorded in the report only in a footnote, and without explanation.)
The actions of Hazmi and Mihdhar strongly suggest that they were being protected and were themselves aware of it. They conducted themselves, not as underground conspirators, trying to keep one step ahead of the most powerful spy apparatus in the world, but as men seemingly indifferent to threats to their security.
According to the FBI report: “… they did not attempt to hide their identities. Using the same names contained in their travel documents and known to at least some in the Intelligence Community, they rented an apartment, obtained driver’s licenses from the state of California Department of Motor Vehicles, opened bank accounts and received bank credit cards, purchased a used vehicle and automotive insurance, took flying lessons at a local flying school, and obtained local phone service that included Hazmi’s listing in the local telephone directory.”
Even though this is not the first time the actions of Hazmi and Mihdhar have been detailed, one rubs one’s eyes in astonishment at this passage. Hazmi could only have made himself more obvious if he had taken out an ad in the Yellow Pages under “T” for terrorist. But the CIA, which knew who he was, chose not to expose him to the FBI.”
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“Indications of a CIA cover-up
The FBI inspector general’s report reveals for the first time that the CIA not only failed to inform the FBI about Mihdhar, but that CIA officials intervened to suppress a memorandum drafted by an FBI agent detailed to the CIA-run Counter-Terrorism Center (CTC), who wanted to notify the FBI about the suspected terrorist with a US visa. The blow-by-blow account of this incident in the FBI report strongly implies a CIA cover-up.
The FBI agent, dubbed “Dwight” in the inspector general’s report, drafted the memorandum, a Central Intelligence Report (CIR), on January 5, 2000, only hours after the Malaysia meeting had taken place. The same day, a CIA desk officer, dubbed “Michelle,” relayed instructions from her supervisor barring distribution of the CIR to the FBI.
Three hours later, “Michelle” drafted and circulated an internal CIA cable which summarized the information on Mihdhar, including his multiple-entry US visa. This cable declared that his travel documents had been copied and passed “to the FBI for further investigation.” This was a lie, which was later used by the CIA to substantiate its initial claim that it had notified the FBI about Mihdhar.”
More at:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/jun2005/fbi-j15.shtml
Also see Paul Thompson’s Complete 9/11 Timeline for a discussion of all that CIA surveillance of Mohamed Atta in Germany. They knew all about him, and yet they allowed him to enter the country repeatedly. There is a pattern here. And it includes US intelligence aiding and abetting the terrorists of September 11th.
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Report thisBy Cassandra Rose, October 10, 2006 at 8:10 am #
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Please remember The Republican’s can only get excited about “sex” news.
The Reprublican’s trained the American People in this, while they kept our country hostage for YEARS via the air waves and newsprint indulging in their fantasy’s about Bill Clinton’s sex life. The Republican’s even took Clinton’s lying (to protect to his family and himself over what was personal behavior) that he recieved a blow job from a seducing intern while the government Clinton had just been elected to run was shut down by Newt Gingrich and his contract with America all the way to the Impeachment process…
Hoodwinking our country over nonsense for years..
While the Foley revelations might seem insignifcant, It is really the tip of the iceberg of all the republican lies which is this administration’s way of life. It is the Foley story that can cause of dominio effet of all the lies to be exposed as Foley’s story is hitting a nerve with what makes us American People decent people. We honor our children and our families. Foley pred on children and it was covered up by this Republican administration…
What every person should be asking themselves
IS WHY?????
Why would these men who are parent’s themselves ignore Foley’s behavior and enable him to have such power in the House???
Foley represent’s Palm Beach Fl. The place that was responsible for throwing the 2000 presidental election to George Bush Jr. Foley had a huge hand in creating that and covering it up. This is the important story behind Foley being allowed to harm children.
Please all you worthy and intelligent people investigate Foley. AS this is where the source of Bush lies started. There in Palm Beach. Once the reason why these Republican Men covered up Foley’s behavior with children is exposed by going to the source of lies starting in Palm Beach. That is the loose thread that will unravel all the rest of Bush’s lies and deciet on this country very quickly.
Do not underestimate the American People to respond when a nerve in them is hit ( sex hits a nerve). Back in the early 1970’s the Republican administration and the Corperation’s running this country ignored enviromentalist saying they were producing gas guzzling cars.
The leaders of our country in govt and business liked the money they got from these big cars…
They said “American People will never buy cars from Japs”. Then the gas crisis happened.. Overnight the American People brought Japanese Cars in droves. Screw the American Leader’s they said… They failed us… We are buying the enemy’s cars… and of course the rest is history....
It just takes one weak link to bring this whole sham of a administration down… It will emplode on to it’s self as it is all built on lies.
Final note: Oprah has history of moving mountains. She is doing her whole hour show this Thursday Oct 12,2006 on “Truth in America”
Report this9/11, Katrina in New Orleans, Iraq etc go to her website to read more on shows this week..
By VitoD, October 10, 2006 at 7:41 am #
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First, we should never believe anything they say.
Second, lying is just good clean fun when it comes to politics.
Third, the media will never look into the matter enough to call anyone on the carpet for lying, even when they know they are.
Folks, we are on our own, the question is what can we do about it.
Report thisBy Stephen L, October 10, 2006 at 1:35 am #
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I think you devalue your product, your political commentary by calling people liars who are not liars.
Report thisBy needham, October 9, 2006 at 10:57 am #
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CONDI- A DISGRACE TO HUMANITY
Condi Rice has choosen to lie and spin her way to the top rather than stand for peace, justice and truth. What Martin Luther King would be thinking about her actions??
Report thisShe has choosen the path of the neocon thugs rather than Nelson Mandela. Harry Bolefonte perhaps defined her best when he referred to Codi and Powell as house niggers.
By Alan, October 8, 2006 at 9:44 pm #
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I cannot see any alternative to putting the entire Bush Administration on trial for war crimes. If they are responsible for 9/11, then they must be hung.
There is no alternative to hanging these people if they are traitors.
Report thisBy OCPatriot, October 8, 2006 at 8:56 pm #
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So Condi probably lied. She’s now been shown to be a liar, revising the truth for whatever reason - so it doesn’t hurt, to keep her reputation, or to just simply fall in step and keep her job. Unlike Colin Powell. So she lied. They all eventually lie. Even Colin Powell now admits he lied. Come on, readers, stop being victims. They lie. Of course they lie. Truth isn’t important. Only what they think in their head, only what concoctions get brewed in their bunker-like mentality, seem to be “real” to them. So why—why, indeed?—would anyone expect anything else from them? It was convenient to lie about Iraq being connected to Al Qaeda. Bush’s head is so muddled that he probably believes it; Rove likes twisting people’s heads; so does Cheney. By this time they may believe we went to war to stop Al Qaeda in Iraq. But my point is: Who cares? It’s not true and truth IS NOT IMPORTANT TO REPUBLICANS at this point in time. The media by and large aren’t journalists, or keepers of the “truth” flame; they by and large sell advertising and entertain; they have no discipline or sensitivity or even any reason to ask hard questions. Why, oh why, do people always seem to expect it? It’s playing the victim, and that seems to be the role they’ve assigned for yourselves. When they get over it, and strike back to reclaim the electorate by asking the hard questions and not dumbing down statements like “Bush lied today”, or “Bush made wildly conflicting statements today” or “Bush didn’t answer the question he was asked.” When this begins to happen, when influential people say, Stop the madness, they won’t be victims any more. So if you help Republicans in any way, by not voting or by not persuading your friends and family to vote, by not contributing to the Democrats, you’ll be helping to promote a draft, among other things too stupid to mention. So make sure the Democrats win this time around, and don’t jawbone about it or prevaricate or think about how inept or stupid they are, just vote for them. Right now the Democrats are the only force that will balance off the Republican’s march to a totalitarian state; they may become corrupt but it’ll take some time for that to happen.
Report thisBy Steve, October 6, 2006 at 3:55 pm #
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The repubocons have built a pretty nasty sword to fall on, so they need to make their escape routes;
Report thisFess up and fly right, go to Rehab, make enough warbucks to buy an Island (the top choice), re-start the failed ‘Armeggedon’, rig another election or 20,
point fingers at the guy above you, quit to become a Fox analyst or lobbiest (those jobs will dry up).
They are dead in the water politically, but not in the sense of their desperation, which can lead to any number of desperate acts to stay out of their atonement to come; up to and including war crimes trials.
By Jackie T. Gabel, October 6, 2006 at 12:17 pm #
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Bob Scheer: When, if ever, will you, Chomsky, Vidal, et al, finally give up on attacking this regime’s obvious mendacity on every literally current issue? It’s not working. The only issue powerful enough to undermine them is 911 Truth. If all progressive voices in this nation joined those around the world to demand 911 Truth, by the time they got into the doc on treason the figureheads would be flipping their handlers in the shadows right and left, just to save themselves from the noose. The key if you dare to look: “Angle is Next.”
Report thisBy N.REYNOLDS, October 6, 2006 at 11:50 am #
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M-m-m- makes one wonder if GW Bush National Guard was only thoroughly investigated, maybe none of this would have happened. and if he and Condi would stop making goo-goo eyes at each other and tend to the country’s business,maaybe our troops wouldn’t have gone to Iraq.
Report thisBy KATHY sullivan, October 6, 2006 at 11:40 am #
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THEY DID NOT IGNORE WARNINGS!!! WAKE-UP AMERICA. THESE NEOCONS nurtured and helped the terrorists. Osama Bin Laden use to work for the CIA. He still does. Why do you think they can never find him or just miss him. They needed another Pearl Harbor, an enemy after the Cold War, so the Pentagon could continue to get most of your tax money. They needed a war so that the corporations could make bank!! They needed a war so they could have an excuse for ID cards, so they could tap your phone, internet, everything, so they could control you and make you slaves for their global economy and their One World bull and now they can make you disappear if you dare to resist them. Do your homework!!! Check out the internet. They have the documented proof if you would only get off your duff and look at it!!! I’m so mad. Mr. Scheer, you have never been behind the curve--I have always looked to you to get the truth, but what are you doing now? Have you not see 9/11: Press for Truth about the Jersey girls??? What about Paul Thompson’s time line??? If you check the time line with articles from magazines and newspapers, the evidence is overwhelming. Please do this. Please lead the rest of the left toward the light. I am so sick of them making fun of anyone who strays from the 9/11 “official story”. They are so self-satisfied in their little jobs, that they have fallen prone to their own propaganda. I cannot watch TV or read any of even my progressive papers because they are full of propaganda and lies. They make no sense until 9/11 is dealt with. These neocons are not just incompetent liars, they are diabolical, evil. Get with with!!
Report thisBy KATHY sullivan, October 6, 2006 at 11:30 am #
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THEY DID NOT IGNORE WARNINGS!!! WAKE-UP AMERICA. THESE NEOCONS nurtured and helped the terrorists. Bin Ladin use to work for the CIA. He still does. Why do you think they can never find him or just miss him. They needed another Pearl Harbor, an enemy after the Cold War, so the Pentagon could continue to get most of your tax money. They needed a war so that the corporations could make bank!! They needed a war so they could have an excuse for ID cards, so they could tap your phone, internet, everything, so they could control you and now they can make you disappear if you dare to question them. Do your homework!!! Check out the internet. They have the documented proof if you would only get off your duff and look at it!!! I’m so mad. Mr. Scheer, you have never been behind the curve--I have always looked to you to get the truth, but what are you doing now? Have you not see 9/11: Press for Truth about the Jersey girls??? What about Paul Thompson’s time line??? If you check the time line with articles from magazines and newspapers, the evidence is overwhelming. Please do this. Please lead the rest of the left toward the light. I am so sick of them making fun of anyone who strays from the 9/11 “official story”. They are so self-satisfied in their little jobs, that they have fallen prone to their own propaganda.
Report thisBy Vinnie the Hand, October 6, 2006 at 9:46 am #
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Last June 16, 2006, Stephen Howards spotted Vice President, Dick Cheney, posing for pictures and public hand shaking at a Bever Creek Mall. He saw it as his chance to tell Cheney how he felt about the Iraq war. With his wife and two kids, Howard paused in passing Cheney and said, “Your policies in Iraq are reprehensible.” Howard and his family moved on.
In the parking lot Howard was handcuffed and arrested and taken to jail by SS agents. They claimed Howard assaulted Dick Cheney.
This happened BEFORE the recent bills passed on Oct 5, 2006, giving Bush total control over who can be arrested, whenever he says and labeled terrorists.
We are losing our freedom of speech so quickly AND IF WE DONT WAKE UP IT WILL BE SOON TAKEN COMPLETELY AWAY FROM US.
you can see this article at http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drum/local/article/0& #x2C;129…
Report thisBy John Zook, October 6, 2006 at 6:20 am #
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Well, it has been written some time that Condi and Georgie were having some extramarital fun. I wonder if that gets out to the public at large what the reaction would be?
Report thisSince Rice is nothing but a bush whore, just as Judith Miller was, shouldn’t she get the same treatment?
I have never trusted Rice, just as I never trusted that scum sucking Kissinger. They are in it only to enable their masters to remain in power.
By barrylando, October 6, 2006 at 2:22 am #
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condi rice had a long history of not listening to warnings about iraq as well-paul bremmer when he was u.s. proconsul after the invasion repeatedly tried to get white house action on disastrous lack of troops in the country; so did amnesty when it warned condelezza about torture in u.s. run prisons..long before abu ghraib scandal broke...for more see my blog
Report thishttp://barrylando.com
By carroll price, October 5, 2006 at 3:50 pm #
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We would all do well to remember (or become aware) that this whole mess was planned long before 9-11. In fact 9-11 itself, or some similar event, was a neccessary prerequisite for establishing this long sought after ditatorship. Why in hell would anyone expect a government shill(Republican or Democrate) to come clean on any of the details leading up to the present state of affairs?
Report thisBy ANTONIO, October 5, 2006 at 3:07 pm #
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NOBODY IS FOOLED BY THE LIES, not even the GOP, and certainly not people in other countries. The US is a fearful place, buyt its also a laughingstock.
Report thisBy Robert, October 5, 2006 at 2:16 pm #
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I agree with Steve Chambers (below). Ms. Rice is getting an incredibly free pass. I would also add:
Ms. Rice’s response to the alarm raised by Tenet, instead of “The Buck Stops Here” was more on the order of “Go Tell Aunt Rhody”:
Report this(From the New York Times)"Mr. McCormack [State Dept. spokesman] said the records showed that far from ignoring Mr. Tenet’s warnings, Ms. Rice acted on the intelligence and requested that Mr. Tenet make the same presentation to Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and John Ashcroft, then the attorney general.
“But Mr. Ashcroft said by telephone on Monday evening that he never received a briefing that summer from Mr. Tenet.
“‘Frankly, I’m disappointed that I didn’t get that kind of briefing,’ he said. ‘I’m surprised he didn’t think it was important enough to come by and tell me.’”
In my line of work, every time I agree with someone on a course of action that can only be completed outside of my purview, I put a tickler on my calendar to check on the “follow through.” They do not have this practice at the state department? There was no one in Rice’s office, not even an assistant, who could have called up and said, “George, did you call John yet?”
By Kellina, October 5, 2006 at 12:40 pm #
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It’s déjà vu all over again— scandal breaks, and two bigger stories sink the background. Release of Foley’s salacious paginations effectively buries: (1) the revelation that either Condi lied egregiously or she [astonishingly] failed to remember an urgent meeting in which she was warned about al Qaeda attacking the US; and (2) the recent passage of legislation further gutting the Bill of Rights. I suggest someone examine how the Foley news was leaked and who leaked it. After all, the people in charge knew for months or perhaps years about Foley’s predations; now, conveniently, Foley has been offered up so as to shift the national conversation.
Several of the earlier comment writers appear to be salivating; finally the truth about how our gov’t failed to prevent the 911 attacks will emerge! Don’t hold your breath: This news won’t shift the elections. The elections will be won handily by a Republican majority no matter what; don’t forget about the Diebold voting machines. In fact, there is good reason to believe that the two more urgent pieces of news (1 and 2, above) are related: We experienced 911 so that our gov’t could send our money to defense contractors, set up permanent bases in the Middle East, and eviscerate the Bill of Rights, turning our once-proud democracy into a fascist (corporatist) state. Cuo bono? The “Bush Crime Family” and their cronies must accrue as much power as possible while we’re in a state of peak oil.
Poor democrats. They speak out, they get killed. (Paul Wellstone, RIP.) I don’t blame them; I’m not sure this place is worth dying for. Afterall, we are the people. We didn’t demand a fair recount after the 2000 election was stolen from Gore. We allowed tax cuts for the wealthiest 1% while most of us quietly pocketed our $300 checks in the summer of 2001. We continually allow our politicians to practice the most transparent games of divide and conquer (cf. Thomas Frank’s ‘What’s the Matter with Kansas?’).
Visit these sites:
Scholarsfor911truth.org
Journalof911studies.com
See these videos:
911 mysteries
911 press for truth
alex jones at ground zero
loose change
Read these books:
Paul Thompson’s “The terror time-line”
David Ray Griffin’s “A new pearl harbor”
Mike Rupert, “Crossing the Rubicon”
Everything begins with 911. Without 911, we’d have no war in Afghanistan, no war in Iraq, no Patriot Act, no torture bill, etc. It probably is no coincidence that the “leave no children behind act” effectively precludes teaching history, civics, etc. (Not that we have the money to educate anyone anymore; did any of you notice the 448 BILLION dollar defense budget that passed the Senate last week, 100-0?)
What are we waiting for? A signed confession? Let’s torture him. Waterboard him, deprive him of sleep, sexually violate his children right in front of him (as Rumsfeld says is okay to do in Iraq), and, while we’re at it, torture his “merry band of fascists” as one you call them. I’m pretty sure that Truthdig will censor me here, but I’m trying to make a point: These thugs assuredly don’t care about our rights, so why should we care about theirs?
Report thisBy paul kibble, October 5, 2006 at 10:55 am #
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Re Comment #27004 by jkoch:
“Do we want to live in a society where public officials can resort to deceit and manipulation whenever they decide that an exceptional crisis has arisen?"---Sissela Bok, “Lying: Moral Choice in Public and Private Life.”
I agree with much of what your post says, particularly in reference to “the real deceits and mistakes came later and remain largely unaknowledged or uncorrected.” (Presumably for the sake of brevity, you chose to forego specifying what those deceits and mistakes were. Perhaps the tacit assumption here is that most of your readers could already identify them.)
I am, however, mildly disturbed by what sounds like a backhanded defense of Rice’s mendacities.
Years ago, the philosopher J.M. Cameron offered a variant on what I take to be the burden of your opening remarks: “. . .we may. . .wonder how defensible, in theory or in practice, the general duty of truthtelling really is; we may even wonder. . .if lying is not so much a part of social life, from the family to the state, that a burst of truthtelling would wreck our institutions and produce vast unhappiness.”
Obviously, “lying is. . .a part of social life, from the family to the state.” But your casual indifference to the differences among various kinds of lying---their varying motives, types, and consequences---is rather puzzling. To have any real-world validity, arguments predicated on general human fallibility ("Everyone does it") need to draw careful distinctions on a case-by-case basis in terms of the scope and impact of particular lies. Otherwise, if we’re all guilty of the same thing, then none of us is guilty.
Of course I’ve never met “anyone who told ONLY the truth” because such a person exists only as a Platonic ideal, an ethical gold standard that mere mortals may occasionally try to emulate but never completely attain, much less implement, in their daily lives.
Thus, like the rest of us, Condi Rice has a fertile capacity for fabrication, evasion, and distortion; unlike most of the rest of us, the ways she chose to exercise that capacity in her role as Secretary as State has had damaging effects far beyond the venial mendacities committed by us common folk.
Normally, we distinguish among different classes of lies in terms of intentions, magnitude and results. “White lies” such as greeting someone who looks terrible with “You look great!” are among the most common and least harmful. Someone who regularly told us “You look like crap!” (even if this were true) would be, as you correctly note, a creep. On the other hand, if I were obviously ill and a friend took me aside and said, “You look a little under the weather. Are you OK?,” I wouldn’t necessarily call him or her a “creep.”
Related to, and often conflated with, white lies are fibs such as, in Sissela Bok’s description, “the lies told on the spur of the moment, for want of reflection, or to get out of a scrape, or even simply to pass the time,…the lies told to boast or exaggerate, or on the contrary to deprecate and understate; the many lies told or repeated in gossip; Rousseau’s lies told ‘simply in order to say something’; the embroidering on facts that seem too tedious in their own right; and the substitution of a quick lie for the lengthy explanations one might otherwise have to provide for something not worth spending time on.”
We also tend to distinguish between lies in in the private (especially in the area of sex) vs. the public sphere, although they can overlap. Ross Perot claimed that “a man who will lie about adultery will also lie to me"---a dubious proposition. But while this kind of moral absolutism galls most of us, occasionally actions in the private lives of our officials ( such as Clinton or Foley) have public repercussions, in terms of ethical issues or legal implications. Many of the legal repercussions are factitious (as with Clinton’s ludicrous prosecution for “high crimes and misdemeanors") but, given the nature of partisan politics, inevitable.
But lying about a blowjob from an intern or conducting a secret e-mail correspondence with an underage page while serving as “protector” of minors is not the same as lying about an issue of national security that may have cost thousands of lives.
No one questions that Rice has 5th Amendment rights. Nor is failure to remember perjury, any more than Reagan’s failure to remember details of the Iran-Contra scandal constituted perjury.
In language oddly reminiscent of Rice’s, Reagan wrote to the Tower Commission to set the record straight about whether he authorized the arms shipment in advance. “The simple truth is,” he stated, “I don’t remember - period.”
“The simple truth”? Well, as Oscar Wilde said, the truth is rarely pure and never simple (though Reafan was, in a Byzantinely deceptive way). We now know that Reagan did, in fact, know. At least one could argue that Reagan’s memory lapses occurred because he was in the early stages of Alzheimer’s. Only her neurologist could tell us if Rice could make a similar claim.I guess we must accept on faith that Rice’s loudly proclaimed retentive capacities rather conveniently failed her on this occasion.
You add, “the truth is probably that CIA briefed her on a panoply of potential Al Qaeda risks, but in a way too vague to allow coherent pre-emptive action.” Your “probable” truth may or not be the case, but that hardly excuses her complete inaction on the matter.
By the way, the Tower report was also a matter of second-guessing after the fact. Should we all therefore have simply ignored its conclusions about the astonishing level of incompetence and corruption within the Reagan administtration and just “moved on”? If so, why bother to hold goverment officials accountable for any of their actions? After all, we’re all “just human” and we all make mistakes. Get over it!
I’ll leave the last words to Professor Cameron (writing about Bok):
“When lying is common and expected we lose our bearings in the world. This may happen precisely in those circumstances where lying seems to be eminently justified. Bok quotes the noble-sounding words of James Martineau:”
“‘On the area of every human society, and mixed with its throngs, there are always some who are thus in it but not of it, who are there, not to serve it, but to prey upon it, to use its order for the impunity of disorder, and wrest its rights into opportunities of wrong. Assassins, robbers, enemies with arms in their hands, madmen beyond the pale…. Without a certain moral consensus the commonwealth of truth cannot be constituted, and cannot be entered.’”
“From this position (Bok argues) it is possible to infer that those who stand outside the commonwealth of truth have no right to the truth. ‘Armed with such a conviction, those who contemplate action against enemies may then throw ordinary moral inquiry to the winds. They see no reason to seek alternatives to lying…[but] all the dangers from indiscriminate lying and corruption of power are increased when one’s low opinion of the dupes seems to justify one’s lies.’”
Report this“Political life, and especially relations between states, illustrates the force of this argument. This is not simply a question of the monstrous lies by which totalitarian societies live. ‘Life is becoming more joyful,’ Stalin cried, at just that moment in Soviet history when there was want in the towns and the countryside and more and more innocents were being sent to arctic camps and to the dungeons of the political police.”
“‘Czechoslovakia is a dagger pointing at the heart of the Reich,’ complained Hitler, at the moment when he knew Britain and France were prepared with threats and anaesthetics to deliver the Czech Republic into his hands. But free societies faced with those they take to be their enemies, or thinking some great good may be had if a few lies are told, are complacent before the falsehoods of their governments.”
By James Kences, October 5, 2006 at 10:16 am #
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Dr. Rice is a profound failure. . .Iran, North Korea, a multitude of international crisis situations continue to deteriorate and nothing is resolved. She seems incapable of confronting reality, or having enough regard for the American people to be truthful with them. It seems obvious that the Bush administration ignored warnings throughout the summer of 2001. Preoccuped with the ambitious plan for space weaponry, they were quick to dismiss other concerns.
Report thisBy Steve Chambers, October 5, 2006 at 9:41 am #
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I couldn’t agree more, and have been extremely frustrated at the pass the American public gives to Rice. While she is arguably, other than W, the single person most responsible for the 9/11 plot going undetected (she WAS National Security Advisor if memory serves me), she is virtually UNTOUCHABLE. And as with innumerable other failings of this horrible government, WE DESERVE BETTER!
Report thisBy drbombay, October 5, 2006 at 9:32 am #
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Say what you want about Clinton (I didn’t vote for him) but the people who attacked the World
Report thisTrade Center in 1993 were found, tried, and
convicted and are now in jail. Quick, somebody
remind me how many people have been put on trial
for their role in the 9\11 attacks!?! And while
we’re at it, how many poeple in posistions of
power in the government were fired or demoted
following the total failure of our government
to protect the United States? Thats right!
The anwser to both questions is NONE!!
By steve cornell, October 5, 2006 at 8:52 am #
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While Mr. Scheer may appear to be the rational commentator with regard to the inner workings of the evil government he still parrots the line that only the government can protect the fearful american public. “War is the health of the State"--Randolph Bourne.
Report thisBy Robert, October 5, 2006 at 7:44 am #
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Way to go Mr. Scheer! And one other thing…
Granting for a second that after getting a whole bunch of briefings about terrorists, the one about those “Al-something guys” might have been glossed over, but how could you forget about a meeting that contained a specific request for an emergency meeting at the White house?:
Report this“Officials now agree that on July 10, 2001, Mr. Tenet and his counterterrorism deputy, J. Cofer Black, were so alarmed about intelligence pointing to an impending attack by Al Qaeda that they demanded an emergency meeting at the White House with Ms. Rice and her National Security Council staff”.(NY Times)
By bro. john cosmas damien, October 5, 2006 at 4:16 am #
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the bush administration wanted the united states to be attacked, so bush could attack iraq. it was two fold. using american troops for his personal revenge against sadam. using american troops to steal oil for haliburtin. Amen bros.
Report thisBy Greg Bacon, October 5, 2006 at 3:20 am #
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Dr. Rice is a very skilled in the art of lying. Such is her understanding and manipulation of that dark art that at times, she can lie to herself and believe it’s true.
Anyone who listened to her testimony back in May of 2004 before the 9/11 Commission got to listen to a true master practice her chosen profession. And what a “tour de force” Rice’s testimony was that day.
Several times, she would be asked a simple question and told to only answer with a yes or no.
Rice would then take the commission on a tour of the English language, deceiving, fabricating and obfuscating along the way.
She has the gift of being able to talk non-stop or at least a half-hour and still not say one damn thing,
If there was a Nobel Prize for world class liars, Rice would have won the award so many times that by now, the Nobel Institute would have had to retire that catergory.
Think you’ve watched scary horror movies, always looking away when the monster appeared?
Bah, Humbug. Rice is the scariest monster of all.
She has real blood of Palestinians, Lebanonese and Iraqis dripping from her mouth. Chunks of human flesh are stuck between her incisors.
With her monstrous arms, she is able to rip, smash and destroy whole communities in the Middle East, just as long as they aren’t Israeli settlements.
She’s an incompetent, ass kissing liar who’s only goal in life is to serve the powers that be.
She doesn’t give a hoot in hell about Americans or America.
Oh well, look at the bright side. Looks like any idiot in this land can get a PhD.
That means there’s hope for me.
The sooner Rice is banished to Trannsylvannia, the better for the whole world.
Greg Bacon
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By al, October 5, 2006 at 2:47 am #
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republicans and democrats, two pieces of the same lump of shit...pooooah america!!!
Report thisBy TruthPlease, October 5, 2006 at 12:03 am #
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Right on, Mr. Scheer! I’m sorry you had to go through so much in order to be free to start TruthDig, but Thank you for doing it!! So, we all know the truth (some of us suspecting as much for many years) - now what? It doesn’t seem to be enough to be an educated voter, or to get a lot of folks out to the polls on election day - it amazes me that all the voter fraud in both of the last two elections just “disappeared” into the vacuum of space, never to be heard of again - if you control who counts the votes, it don’t matter what the votes are!!! How do we get around that? This is not a rhetorical question - I really need to know!
Report thisBy Mike Macaulay, October 4, 2006 at 11:21 pm #
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I’m not being racist, but I assume Condy is telling White lies!!
Report thisBy RC, October 4, 2006 at 7:47 pm #
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hmm, they did 911 themselves and we let them tear up the Constitution and start illegal wars. Goodbye America, its a shame that you died at the hands of such scum lowlifes
Report thisBy Charles Jacoby, October 4, 2006 at 7:41 pm #
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Interesting how Scheer describes Rice as “famously sharp,” and with “an awesome memory.” Maybe he knows. I surely don’t know for a factual fact; I’ve not observed any evidence she is as Scheer describes her, though… Certainly, and especially since her Senate installation, no one can dispute she’s an accomplished liar. No doubt that does require a certain intelligence—that of the psychopathological. Pity she didn’t pursue that career as a concert pianist, since given her type, she belongs as an arteest—whining because the NEA was cut way back under Reagan or over some such nonsense. Of course, if it weren’t her, it’d be someone else—some other lackey.
I seriously doubt the Bush regime had an iota to do with the execution(s) of 9/11, though it’s not failed to capitalize on the event, meaning not least literally capitalizing—in the form of campaign fund-raising, if not in a hundred other ways, most of those to do with propagandizing (read, terror-mongering). It’s as though the gold and silver that was supposedly buried in the rubble of the collapsed towers landed in the collective lap of George and Dick, and Con and Alberto and John and Richard and erstwhile John, not to mention, Scooter. All of ‘em, including hot-tub-now-out Tom, along with hotly-in-denial Dennis (alas, not Kucinich) but Hastert.
The Foley “affair,” strikes me as relatively minor, I strongly agree with Scheer, in comparison to lies told followed with dastardly deeds done, which extend to murder for profits.
Media, of course, is in full shrill over Foley. Sorry, but I must ask, did any page come forward with a vigorous complaint AT THE TIME? I saw one televised transcript wherein the page was “a Iittle” turned on when Foley asked him! Capitol Hill is, from top to bottom, so to speak, two hot Houses. Not to excuse Foley or any one of them, but in real life, people—even younger people—get “Swept Away,” apologies to Lena Wertmuller. Does anyone actually doubt that Congresspersons are regularly screwing interns, etc., and maybe even pages and whatnot? Capitol Hill is one big (or not so big) cocktail (?) party (the term is not an accident and so testimony to the genius of our common language). Why should America’s ruling class be a wit different than previous aristocracies, since by definition aristocrats haven’t much else to do all day? Other than fool with the hired, or voluntary, help? When not screwing the rest of that is.
In truth, I personally don’t really mind the fact of politicians in collusion with hangers-on and every sort of wannabe engaging in escapades, so long as when it comes to seriously doing the right things they actually DO the right things! Say, something in the interest of the American people as a whole? Say, universal healthcare? Say, not just a minimum wage, but a living wage?
So pols screw and run, as they always have and always will, while media microscopically “investigates,” INTERMINABLY! (Naturally, Foley entered rehab, taking a cue from that great man, Mel Gibson, whose passion is also for Jesus. Just once I’d like to hear a pol say his or her religion is Paganism, since that would be more in accord with hedonistic escapades.)
Again, Bush & Crew were hardly likely behind 9/11, pending someone proving otherwise, however many questions remain as to all that happened that revolting day (real life is messy); and no one has proven a damn thing. But that doesn’t mean that a monumental fraud isn’t being perpetrated upon the American people every single minute, especially on members of the middle- and lower classes. Would the conspiracy theorists would pay a little more goddamn attention to the real fraud, which requires no conspiratorial planning so much as the tacit understanding on the part of elites as to wherein their interests lay. Condoleezza wells understands that interest, which is to say, Scheer is RIGHT! She IS brilliant, as are her bosses, myth notwithstanding.
Report thisBy dominick perez, October 4, 2006 at 4:01 pm #
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you claim that tenet was “in a panic” over alleged intelligence indicating an imminent attack to which bush did nothing about. this is the same guy who had agents knitting diversity quilts instead of doing the high priority assignment given to the by VP al gore, prevention of global warming. that was the CIS’s primary focus during the clinton years: the environment. no wonder they sat on their hands while bin laden declared war on us. these guys did nothing during clinton’s term in office, and now they are trying to lay the blame at the bush administration’s feet for supposedly doing nothing during the initial eight months of the president’s term prior to 9-11.
Report thisBy Douglas Westerman, October 4, 2006 at 3:29 pm #
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Israels CIA, MOSSAD has a motto “By way of deception thou shalt wage war.” Ever since they placed explosives inside the Twin Towers, and put a Koran and a flight manual in the front seat of van, the so called War on Terror has been based upon lies. Go to vitaltruths.blogsource.com examine the evidence and decide for yourself.
Bush and Co. are both deceivers and the deceived.
Report thisBy Don Knutsen, October 4, 2006 at 3:02 pm #
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It is very telling that so many of America’s politicians and citizens have seemingly been pre-occupied while this administration has continued to display their utter contempt for our democracy and our nations standing in the world. Putting political / monetary gain of the privelaged few far above the interests of the common man, woman or child in our country. Now we are all excited about this sex scandle, more excited by far, and ironically the republicans are more scared then when they voted for Bu$h’s tax cuts for the wealthy, or past a drug program that only benefits the drug companies, or lied us into a war costing 1/2 a trillion so far and counting ? Somehow , this republican pervert trumps all that? We should be voting the republicans out of office on their miserable decisions while in office...positions that are undefendable in any rational discussion amonst your average voter.
Report thisBy Reginald Frednick II, October 4, 2006 at 2:19 pm #
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Foley is a distraction. Investigate this sicko and take down everyone with him but let’s keep focused. As the Foley event unraveled, everyone forgets that we just lost Habeas Corpus a mere 3 days ago. Anyone, I repeat ANYONE can be an ‘unlawful enemy combatant’, no right to attorney, judges or even a hearing. Add it to the list of curbed rights like caging protestors, conducting warrantless wire-taps, banning books like “America Deceived” from Amazon, stealing private lands and starting 2 illegal wars based on lies. Get the scumbags involved in this Foley mess (bet they ALL voted for Iraq war and Patriot Act), and let’s get back to focusing on losing our Constitution.
Report thisFinal link (before Google Books caves and drops the title):
America Deceived (book)
By Margaret Currey, October 4, 2006 at 1:49 pm #
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I say let Dennis H stay, after all when the democrats get into office than the impeachments will start, if Bush goes then Chancey should go along with Rice. I wonder why they got rid of Powell, seems he was the best of that bunch, even if he is not the best of the bunch, he seemed more capable of running this country than Bushie boy and the guy who pulled his strings.
Marge from Vancouver, Washington
Report thisBy Dan Noel, October 4, 2006 at 1:09 pm #
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Indeed, Foley’s action are pretty innocent. In fact, he is more of a victim than a perpetrator. Like many religious fundamentalists, he probably has refused to acknowledge his sexual fantasies and learn to live with it. As a result, as many catholic priests and many sexual moralizers discovered before him, there was a real possibility that his sexual drive would some day catch up with him and “force” him to indulge into inappropriate actions.
As for the young victims of Foley, a point could be made that they are probably victims of the religious right’s emphasis on sexual ignorance. Any children with an age-appropriate sex ed such as OWL understand sex harassment by the time they can write. Had Foley’s victims be properly educated, they would have dealt very swiftly with his advances…
Finally, Robert Scheer raises the question of why Rice has spread so much misinformation about 9/11. May I suggest that this is a very pertinent topic, but it ought to be enlarged to the whole federal government, whose official 9/11 explanations, as reported in Scheer’s 9/10 column, are so sketchy and largely contradicted by the information available.
At this point, any reasonable person needs to consider the very likelihood that 9/11 was nothing but a big farce, with the federal government as a major actor. This is reassuring, to the extent that it is a lot easier to rein in the U.S. government than the enemies the Bush administration has made us imagine!
This does not excuse Rice’s lies, but puts them in their proper context: they are just a small part in the official 9/11 conspiracy. Perhaps the trillion dollar question will be not what Rice did, not even what the Bush administration did, but why the major news corporations, which had access to the same information as all of us, will have chosen to look the other way…
Report thisBy Rowdy!, October 4, 2006 at 12:54 pm #
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I remember hearing someone awhile back talking about “… a vast right-wing conspiracy...”
I wish that person would resurface with that same spirit and drive to flush out the right-wing nuts!
Report thisBy Sylvia Barksdale Morovitz, October 4, 2006 at 11:38 am #
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True, Foley’s actions were sorid and disgusting but he didn’t kill anyone, [so far as we know.]
From Bush, down his chain of command, the horrific tragedy of 9/11/01 was allowed to happen. Surely, we recall his reaction when sitting, reading to school children in the Florida classroom and being approached by the agent who whispered the attack to him! Was he saying to himself, “Goddamn, they really did mean it?” Or, could he simply have sat and stared, perhaps with a little shock but more pleasure, knowing then that his war on Iraq was a given?
That Rice, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush and Rove would attempt to put the blame for 9/11 on President Clinton is shameless, scurrilous and evil. It shows their personalities as people who have no morals or decency in them whatsoever!
I am no longer surprised with anything I hear about the Bush administration. I am concerned to my bones, however, that the Bush insanity intends to spread to Iran. It cannot be any longer that Americans are unaware of the Bush mentality; his God complex and his all encompassing ego. All this adds up to one thing; he is a man who believes he can do anything and get away with it. This feeling has been reinforced for seven years by his ape congress and the brainwash he has sucessfully had on too many Americans. He has two wars raging already, his war on Iraq and his war on Americans.
I am with Venezuelan President Chavezs’ statement 100 % that GW Bush is the most dangerous entitiy on the planet. There is much I do not admire about Mr. Chavez but on this one, he’s on the money!
Report thisBy Jon, October 4, 2006 at 11:23 am #
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Wouldn’t it be nice if Rice voluntarily takes an
what is lie detector test?
After all, it’s Rice vs Tenet + Richard Clark. It’s quite difficult for us to take her words at par.
Report thisBy oldwobbly, October 4, 2006 at 10:58 am #
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It doesn’t matter if she can recall the urgent meeting (and we all realize, of course, that she can). There are records of the meeting. It took place. When will she explain what she told Bush about it, and when will we hear his reaction? Or did he “swat this fly” away, and call her an asshole for annoying him with reminders of responsibility, as he did Prince Bandar?
Report thisBy tulagi, October 4, 2006 at 10:42 am #
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Dot One: 7/10/01 Tenet warning to Rice.
Dot Two: 8/6/01 Bush says “OK, now you have covered your [backside]” to PDB courier(s).
Now, connect them.
Report thisBy cognitorex, October 4, 2006 at 9:19 am #
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A FECAL SPLAT ON PLANET EARTH
Thinking about the fecal splat of Bush’s incompetence against the windshield of our home ship, planet earth, reminds me of an old joke.
Report thisI had pulled into a rural gas station and the attendant pointed to a flattened bug on the windshield. Dryly he asked, “What do you suppose the last thing to go through his mind was?” .......I didn’t know.
His ars-hole, he replied.
It seems fitting somehow. It makes me smile and gives me hope.
By felicity, October 4, 2006 at 9:12 am #
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Interesting the “timing” of the releases of the Woodward book and the Foley revelation. The Republican political machine could not control, I don’t think, the release of the Woodward book, but it could, and did, control the release of the Foley mess. So which one gets the media and public attention and which one ends up on page 21?
Who said Rove is sitting in the dugout.
Report thisBy jkoch, October 4, 2006 at 8:51 am #
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Ever meet anyone who told ONLY the truth? Either they were sugary, spineless, and gullible about everything and everyone. Or they were unbearably candid (rude) and puritainical. Both are variants on “impossible people,” also known as saints or creeps. They don’t survive long in large organizations or win political office. Try to tell only the truth for two weeks. Good luck if you keep your job or any friends. Take care you don’t end up in jail or on a cross.
Rice does retain 5th Amendment rights, at least so long as W remains pleased with her loyalty and does not proclaim her enemy combatant. She need not incriminate herself. Neither is failure to remember perjury. Finally, the truth is probably that CIA briefed her on a panoply of potential Al Qaeda risks, but in a way too vague to allow coherent pre-emtive action. There are any number of potential targets. Tenet’s briefing almost certainly did not indicate a suicide plane attack against the WTC. Even if the WTC was on a plausible “short list” of targets, authorities would probably have expected something similar to the 1993 truck bombing. A cruise missile attack against Afghanistan might (again) hit nothing, cause world oprobrium, and do nothing to deter the 9/11 hijackers.
Even now, is it clear what good comes of all the alerts about “chatter” or lens cleaning fluid? We know that ship containers might be a way to introduce a nuke into the US, but no one seems anxious to close down ports or examing all cargoes.
There is little to gain in 2nd guessing pre-9/11 decisions. The real deceits and mistakes came later and remain largely unaknowledged or uncorrected.
Hastert’s position entails hazards like that of a school superindentent or RC Bishop. How to punish Foley without opening a Pandora’s Box. It could unleash an un-ending plague of similar accusations--some of them true, some phantom, some outright extortion, and all of them manipulated for partisan advantage. Best not to employ minors at all, whether as pages, alter boys, or anything involving “personal” service. Sorry, but even lawn chores entail injury and other hazards in these litigious times.
Report thisBy James Tugend, October 4, 2006 at 8:41 am #
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One of the silliest spins of the Foley affair comes from The Arlington Group, which according to the L.A. Times (Oct 4, 2006 Pg A19) backed away from urging changes in the Repuboican leadership. Their executive committee claimed that ‘House Republicans may have failed to sufficiently investigate Foley because they feared “a backlash from the radical gay rights movement.“‘
Report thishe he he - That’s a corkscrew of a twist.
By rex, October 4, 2006 at 8:41 am #
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In this day and age why is any important information entrusted to memory?
Report thisForty years ago Kennedy recorded all the briefings of the
Cuban Missile Crisis and I have read detailed notes written by Robert E. Lee during the Civil War concerning strategy meetings.
What is this ludricous excuse of “I don’t remember” on issues of National Security when we can find Foley’s emails from five years ago and know exactly when they were sent and what they said?
Even without the “Al Qaeda threat briefing” if anyone were to look at public records posted on the Department of Defense website they would see Rice got a copy of the June 1, 2001 document ordering use of “weapons and deadly force” to prevent terrorists attempting to hijack US military aircraft and steal nuclear weapons.
How could that one have escaped the attention of “National Security Advisor” and the all the other members of the Bush administration who got copies of it just three months before
9/11?
By Perry, October 4, 2006 at 8:12 am #
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How many more incidents of gross incompetence and malfeasence must we endure from the Executive and Legislative branches of government? And since the Judicial branch has also been infected, what kind of judgements can we expect with this new Supreme Court session? Isn’t it time we put people in charge that care about the populace and don’t just pay lip service?
Report thisBy faith, October 4, 2006 at 8:11 am #
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Excellent article, Mr. Scheer ! Now, if we could just see the article printed in every town in America, the Democratic party might be able to regain many lost seats in the House and Senate.
Report thisBy Ruth Rooks, October 4, 2006 at 8:09 am #
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Thanks, as always, to Mr. Scheer for his courage and for keeping his eye on the prize.
Report thisRegarding Rice’s testimony to the 9-11 commission, isn’t it time to jettison the dainty old “egregious ineptness” and “indifference” theory and begin to give wider attention to “criminal conspiracy”? Bearing in mind, for example, the famous PNAC reference to the need for a “new Pearl Harbor”?
The timing of the Foley media circus is interesting, burying as it does still more evidence that Bush and his thugs lied to the 9-11 commission - and of course that minor matter of the Republican congress disappearing the right of habeas corpus. It’s tempting, of course, to enjoy the Republican implosion, and to argue that habeas corpus is merely the latest of what remains of our “democracy” to be surrendered to the neocons.
But the real story is, again, that they have lied from the beginning about 9-11. Why? Isn’t it time to look into the abyss, and ask the questions, and demand the answers from Republicans and Democrats alike?
By Mad as Hell, October 4, 2006 at 7:32 am #
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Of COURSE the Foley nonsense pales in comparison to the Rice lies. Of course, she is just one of the many liars who are part of Mad King George and his band of Merrie Fascists. Of COURSE, MKG and the whole bunch should be impeached.
They lied under oath about stuff that is FAR more important than a BJ. If this was a Democratic admin, the House would already have 100 articles of impeachment passed on going to the Senate.
But if it takes a stupid sex scandal to FINALLY light the fire to taking back the House and Senate in November, then I’M not too proud to ride that horse there! Our nation and our freedom are in greater jeopardy today than they have EVER been in. The end of saving our Freedom and our republic now justifies just about any means. You can’t fight Marquis of Queensbury when the other guy is biting, kicking, thumbing you in the eye, head-butting, etc. We MUST get down and dirty and use EVERY tool, every low-blow, every dirty trick we can.
Because that’s what they are doing to destroy our democracy and our Republic. We can no longer afford to give them ANY edge.
So use the Foley scandal to sink the GOP, especially in the House. This is no time to be squeamish. Look, they are ALREADY trying to claim it’s a Democrat dirty trick--UNBELIEVABLE as that sounds. Nobody with the brain of a retarded flea would believe it, but that’s the spin they are trying--from Kathrine Harris, to Matt Drudge, and the rest of the Rove agitprop machine.
Time to get our hands dirty. Before it’s too late.
Report thisBy Penny, October 4, 2006 at 7:15 am #
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You are the man! and so very right on that MONEY!
How Rice has advanced this far, given her neolithic incompetence during the fall of communism in old Russia, in the height of her fame as a “Russian” specialist, is more than alarming to me. Yet, this administration, rife in whatever lay beyond idiocy, promoted her to the helm of national security at a critical time when we needed someone out of the coma at the helm.
And, these conspirators wonder why we nagging conspiracy theorists are sceraming foul. I suppose they, like most little children with whom I have played peek-a-boo, feel that, because they have covered their eyes, we can’t see them, that their dastardly deeds are invisible to us.
It would be cute and funny, were there no losses of liberty, huge national debt, outrageous losses of life and limb, and that headlong barreling toward fascism visible.
Report thisBy Anna Boyle Daniher, October 4, 2006 at 7:10 am #
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Our Dr. Rice Doesn’t answer questions. She babbles on and on. The lies are buried there if your head isn’t hurting too much to sort it all out. Under oath doesn’t mean a thing. It’s next to implossible to prove a lie. Dr. Rice knows that. She also knew that we were an accident waiting to happen. I doubt that she can survive this one. Her men are not going to “stand by her”. Does anyone else think it’s time for her to resign ? Thanks, ANNA
Report thisBy jeff gershoff, October 4, 2006 at 7:00 am #
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Bob, usually I’m so energized by your columns in Truthdig that I must respond to add my own 2c. However, this time there is just nothing more to say. To use a sports metaphor, “you nailed it” and that’s all there is to it. Tip of the hat to you.
Report thisBy John Earl, October 4, 2006 at 6:53 am #
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Hearings! That’s the ticket!
Report thisBy Jim Tewes, October 4, 2006 at 6:53 am #
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Recently Rice referred to the warnings just prior to 9/11 as a stream of “alarmist” warnings. Not alarming but alarmist. Doesn’t this give some indication as to how seriously she took the warnings?
Report thisBy Rogelio, October 4, 2006 at 6:52 am #
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Since Foley is an alcoholic and who knows whatelse, then I guess that makes it ok to e-mail young boys. Blame it on the booze. It is society fault, not to mention America’s fault for allowing such an abusive drug to infiltrate our nation. Is it possible for him to check into a “club” for pedafiles? If such a “club” were to exist I am sure the Republicans would cut the funding, nor allow it to exist.
Now the latest revelation that he was molested by a priest, wow, what a convienent time to release such personal information. His Dad beat his mom, therefore he beats his wife. He steals because his mother taught him to steal.
Does accountability exist anymore? Has God turned his back on the Righ Wing Republican Party? The Republicans are supposed to be the God-fearing leaders of the free world and who happen to be the anti-homosexual leaders of our nation.
Rice, what needs to be said. She is just like “W” and old man Reagan during the Iran-Contra scandal. When your up to your nose in feces like the former fools, then amnesia/denial is the easy way out. Perhaps Rice does not speak to God like her boss.
Report thisBy Darla Reynolds-Sparks, October 4, 2006 at 6:47 am #
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When this administration manipulated the public education system six years ago and, to meet the new “rules”, the faculties had to start teaching- to-the-test, the studies of History, Civics and Government was abandoned. We now have students graduating from public school systems who have NEVER READ THE BILL OF RIGHTS, THE PREAMBLE TO THE CONSTITUTION OR THE CONSTITUTION. Does anyone believe they will ever cast votes for anything to do with our government? Therefore, it appears America can look forward to more thieves, more corruptions,more valueless scumbags elected to positions of power. I suggest we all begin to investigate our local schools and pressure them to TEACH. Put pressure on the school boards, the school administrations and the local politicians to in