----------------HELLO ROBERT SCHEER;

----------THIS SITE HAS A BUGS IN IT!

YOU MUST ADD THE YEAR, AND BRING IT UP TO DATE!

--------YEAR SHOULD BE 2008, MONTH APRIL!

-------------SITE NOT UP-TO-DATE!

--------------FIX IT!-----------NOW

IF YOU DO NOT FIX THE DATEE, AND BRING IT UP-TO-DATE, I AM NOT INTERESTED IN COMMENTING FURTHER!

AND NO ONE ELSE WILL! DAY, AND YEAR MUST BE INCLUDED!

Chris Hedges, you do exactly what you criticize others for doing: taking a simple problem and making it complicated. Humans are not inherently evil--they’re inherently stupid. Everything you see and describe in your supposed anthology on the human condition leaves out one overriding (and the only) answer to the question, “Why do humans behave and believe as they do?” and it’s this: The human animal is subintelligent. Furthermore, as to whether or not there is a Darwinian connection, which you deny as the basic thesis of Dawkins and others. . .there is. The connection is the ongoing intellectual evolution of the species known as Homo Sapiens. When the species has developed sufficiently in the gray matter sense, all your talking points will become as dust on the forgotten books on all the forgotten bookshelves of the past.

Hi Jim, At times I get mad at the World to, but who are you really mad at?  Are you mad at God or at Christians with twisted beliefs?  God is not as evil as you make him out to be.  Now some of these so called Christians are not going to Heaven either.  That is why God has returned to set the record straight.  Just google my name and you can find what he had to say in August 2007.  If you can’t do that much you can remain ignorant.

------------HELLO ROBERT SCHEER;

----------THIS SITE HAS A BUG IN IT!

--------------FIX IT!-----------NOW

You can read more of what God had to say during the month of Aug. 2007, on this website [url="http://nonprophet.typepad.com/nonprophet/2005/08/are_ you_going_t.html"

rel="nofollow"] Non-Prophet, Are you going to Hell? [/url] Melanie also gives PROOF that God
made contact on this site.  The proof is in the story of 3 famous people Mike Douglas, Merv
Griffin and Nancy Reagan.  I hope you get it.  God went to a lot of trouble to get his message
out.  He is also worried about all of his creations. That means he thinks about you too.

Re: 95312

samanthastevens

Samantha Says: “Could you two please take your bickering off the site and reserve it for people who actually want to discuss the content???”

I Say: If you mind your own personal business, and get to some point about what it is you wish to discuss, you are welcome!

We who are ‘here’ do not need advice, nor idiotic suggestions from you, or anyone else who is only intent upon being critical, for the sake of being critical!

If you do not like what is written, you do not have to read it!

Writewhat you want, and read what you want!  And we ‘all’ shall continue to do as we did before your arrival!

If you do not like this, I suggest you go jump in a lake!

Ciao, Jim H.

Re: 89596

straight_talk_11

You say:“--- why not apply that to consciousness?” (?)
I say:What?  Do you have the faintest idea what consciousness is?)

And you say: “---I ask if you believe in magic fables---”.(?)
I say: Your mind is warped!  You are the ‘professor’ of makebelieve “fairytales”!

So, after demonstrating your childish naivet’e, you revert to your delusionary stance regarding any serious discussion of facts.

And after these multiple ‘faux pas’ ‘you’ have the utmost ‘gall’ to suggest that it is ‘I’ who is: “---totally unworthy of any serious debate.” (?) You are NUTS!  CRAZY!

I say: “conscioness is a ‘human trait’!  So, it ‘is’ the result of “EVOLUTION!” NATURALLY!
Which is without a doubt included in “Mass/Energy never disappear, Ever were, ever here”!
Therefore, you are contradicting your stated:  “No argument."(?) which I say, amounts to a lie, implied, or otherwise!

DICTIONARY
consciousness:  The state or condition of being conscious.
A sense of one’s personal or collective identity,

In your “more complete quote” you talk gibberish fairytales stuff, which is your ‘wont’! And not suprising to us, who ‘know’ the extent of your delusions regarding anything in the ‘real’ world!

DON’T YOU KNOW:
Religion, Judaism, Christianity, etc.; result from ‘conjectured’ outpourings of
charlatans and imbeciles who believed the World was flat?
‘Christianity” derives from the “Jewish” “Judaism” which dates back a mere 4,200 years. Before that, “God” was a “Myth” of “Mythology” used to describe every type horror fears, dangers, and horrible, destructive, and incomprehensible evils!

Isn’t it therefore scornfully ironic that the term “God” has been so twisted by those rotten crooks to supposedly mean something completely opposite?
And , aren’t you an idiot to believe the ‘charade’?

THE BIBLE?
“Here’s a book that was ‘supposedly’ dictated by the “Creator” of the universe (?) and it describes all kinds of miracles, but, none of the authors of the book ‘witnessed’ any of the events; and, ‘they’ wrote the book a hundred years after it was ‘supposedly’ dictated by the “Creator” of the universe(?) and, after all the events in question ‘supposedly’ occurred.”
“Rational people could never accept that implausable story as fact!”
(From “The End Of Faith” By Sam Harris)

Mass/energy never disappear
Ever were ever here!
With nothing to ‘create’, a “so-called “Creator-God”
is an impossible superfluous nonentity!
J.H. 5/8/07

THE ORIGIN OF NATURE
Beginning is never found but keep an ear to the ground
Accept the word of a friend there’s no beginning or end
Natures origin for instance is ceaselessness Existence
The worst form of child abuse is warping of the mind!
JH 8/29/06

Could you two please take your bickering off the site and reserve it for people who actually want to discuss the content???  You make it very difficult to navigate through your personal vendettas against each other and read something substantial.  Thank you!

Re: 89857

straight_talk_11

You say :Jim H., “---You continue to twist everything I say---.”

I say: You are LYING AGAIN!  I have quoted your WORDS EXACTLY! 

True: I have not shown interest in your attempt to distract with spin, and have only quoted excerpts, but I have ‘highlighted, copied and pasted’ ‘your words’ so, ‘they ‘are’ ‘your’ words! 

In your “more complete quote” you talk gibberish, fairytales stuff, which is your ‘wont’! And not suprising to us, who ‘know’ the extent of your delusions regarding anything in the ‘real’ world!

More reasons to PROVE you are totally incompetent regarding debating, and unable to be serious about anything except an imaginary “God”, and constantly digressing from the subject.

And, with your tenacious stance regarding your warped and deluded view of reality you are un-fit to debate an eighth grader about the weather!

Get Help!

Re: 89596

straight_talk_11

You say:“--- why not apply that to consciousness?”
And you say: “---I ask if you believe in magic fables---.(?)
So, after demonstrating your childish naivet’e, you revert to your delusionary stance regarding any serious discussion of facts.

And after these multiple ‘faux pas’ ‘you’ have the utmost ‘gall’ to suggest that it is ‘I’ who is: “---totally unworthy of any serious debate.” (?) You are NUTS!

I say: “conscioness is a ‘human trait’!  So, it ‘is’ the result of “EVOLUTION!” NATURALLY!
Which is without a doubt included in “Mass/Energy never disappear, Ever were, ever here”!
Therefore, you are contradicting your stated:  “No argument."(?) which I say, amounts to a lie, implied, or otherwise!

DICTIONARY
consciousness:  The state or condition of being conscious.
A sense of one’s personal or collective identity,

In your “more complete quote” you talk gibberish fairytales stuff, which is your ‘wont’! And not suprising to us, who ‘know’ the extent of your delusions regarding anything in the ‘real’ world!

DON’T YOU KNOW:
Religion, Judaism, Christianity, etc.; result from ‘conjectured’ outpourings of
charlatans and imbeciles who believed the World was flat?
‘Christianity” derives from the “Jewish” “Judaism” which dates back a mere 4,200 years. Before that, “God” was a “Myth” of “Mythology” used to describe every type horror fears, dangers, and horrible, destructive, and incomprehensible evils!

Isn’t it therefore scornfully ironic that the term “God” has been so twisted by those rotten crooks to supposedly mean something completely opposite?
And , aren’t you an idiot to believe the ‘charade’?

THE BIBLE?
“Here’s a book that was ‘supposedly’ dictated by the “Creator” of the universe (?) and it describes all kinds of miracles people claim they witnessed, but, none of the authors of the book ‘witnessed’ any of the events; and, ‘they’ wrote the book a hundred years after it was ‘supposedly’ dictated by the “Creator” of the universe(?) and, after all the events in question ‘supposedly’ occurred.”
“Rational people could never accept that implausable story as fact!

Re: 88974
straight_talk_11 et al. 

First you qouted me:
“Mass/Energy never disapear
Ever were,ever here”

To ‘this’ you said:  “No argument."(?)

‘Then’, you said:“Or, do you believe---it just popped up out of nowhere---.”(?)

I say this is ‘questioning’ what I have stated very succinctly! And, it is a contradiction of “No argument."(?) which I say, amounts to a lie, implied, or otherwise!

Regarding your ‘conceptual’ “God”:

How did you come to believe such stuff?
Who told you about it?
Someone infected your brain with that infectious plague-like disease!
And you have been delusional like a cocaine addict, ever since!
Riding on a cloud, avoiding harsh reality, with a Myth for companionship!
Why do you, and, why should anyone else, believe, in your fairytale “God”?
Why do you believe something never proved?
If you only believe it because other fools do, and it comes from a “book” just like like “Little Orphan Annie”
Why don’t you insist “Little Orphan Annie” is also real? Aren’t they both unproven makebelieve fairytale characters, like your farcical “Jesus”? 

You ‘talk’ about an IMPOSSIBLE “BEGINNING”?  That never happened! 
You cite a filthy, slimy cesspool of sick pornography called “The “Bible” !
And ‘name’ a MAKEBELIEVE FAIRYTALE CREATOR! You call “God”?
Why?  There is not one iota of truth, or proof, to support that lie!
Can’t you admit you have been a patsy sap, brainwashed by other fools?
Wake up and “REPENT”?
If you have the minutest bit of ETHICAL, OR MORAL DECENCY left,
beneath the cancerous religion-delusion abscesses of your brain,
and would sincerely want to benefit mankind, you will ‘go’ “cold turkey”
get that ugly felonious monkey off your back, and do everything you
can to atone for all the minds you have destroyed and wasted with the
lies you have perpetrated, and promoted in behalf of those felonious
criminal charlatans who enslave, rape and rob children, and make
them into manipulated mindless robots like you, that your progeny will suffer from.
Those rotten rats will soon dominate the entire World with their “Theocracy”!

“God” is a conjecture, the “Universe” is fact!
Mass/energy never disappear
Ever were ever here!
J.H. 5/8/07
With nothing to ‘create’, a “so-called “Creator-God”
is an impossible superfluous nonentity!
If you postulate “God” always was? 
This trabslates to:
“The Universe always was!”
Because: “God” is conjecture!
The Universe is fact!

Re: 88584

straight_talk_11

Why do you have so much difficulty understanding YOUR very own words YOU write?

I say: It is true that you said: “No argument."(?)

But, then, in “the rest of-(your)- post” you immediately said: “---matter and energy didn’t come from nothing---.” “Or do you believe--- it just popped up out of nowhere---.”
Which questions, and contradicts “no argument”, and amounts to a bold faced lie!  Because, you are asserting there once was nothing!

When you say, “I agree with you, and, then disagree, ‘THAT’ IS A LIE!

And the rest of that post is gobbledygook garbage! 

There is no question that you are DELUSIONAL, and that somewhere sometime you were mesmerized, or indoctrinated into believing that asinine notion about some kind “Supreme ‘Being’, which you decided to redesign to better fit your own idea of what a makebelieve farcical “God” should be!  And apparently, you are still in the process of ‘perfecting’ your new design!  You can’t face “Cold Turkey” renunciation!

It seems as though you may be coming to your senses slowly, but you are having a problem facing the fact that for so long, when you thought you were a brilliant example of humanity, you became enslaved to the idea, and enamored by the belief and a mental image of “God”, which you now realize was all a lie and a fantasy, that you should have seen through long ago. So, naturally, it is a shock to your ego, and stirs a slow burning sensation up your spine into your head, to finally accept that you have been a patsy, and a chump!

RE:88522

straight_talk_11

You say: “Can’t you see I’m agreeing with you,---"(?) THIS IS A LIE!

In your “88415” Post, You said: Quoting me

“Mass/energy never disappear
Ever were ever here!”
Jim H.

And, you said: “No argument."(?)

Then, you contradict YOURSELF, AND, ME!

When you say: “---You(?) know (?)’matter’ (?)and energy(?) didn’t come from nothing.---"(?)

THIS IS AN ABSURD CONTRADICTION!  And, ‘THIS’ IS NOT “AGREEING WITH ME!”

It’s just Another lie!  And you cannot even READ your own writing!

For your edification, “matter” is included in the ‘terms’ “Mass/Energy” which has always been extant in the Universe!

And I said: “---THERE NEVER, NEVER WAS ‘NOTHING’!

Got That? “Mass/Energy Never disappear Ever were Ever here”!

88415

straight_talk_11

You quote: “Mass/energy never disappear
Ever were ever here!”
- Jim H.

Then, you say: “No argument.---- You know matter and energy didn’t come from nothing.” (?)

I say “matter and energy ALWAYS WERE!  THERE NEVER, NEVER WAS ‘NOTHING’ !!!!!!!!!!!!

I say: Now! you cannot even read!  Or you cannot comprehend a very edifying and succinct message!

The words describe the Universe we live in!

They say: “Mass/Energy never disappear!  Got That?  ALWAYS HERE, NEVER DISAPPEAR!

The next line which no doubt you did not read says: (referring to the prior words) “Ever were ever here”.

Now, if Mass and/or Energy were ‘ALWAYS’ here, then there NEVER was NOTHING!  Idiot!

The rest of your ridiculous asinine diatribe that rambles on about other mindless conceptions you dizzy your mind with, are not worth more than this!

Please, address your tortuous words, and quests for salvation to your confessor, and leave me out of your thoughts?

Mass/energy never disappear
Ever were ever here!
J.H. 5/8/07
With nothing to ‘create’, a “so-called “Creator-God”
is an impossible superfluous nonentity!

THE ORIGIN OF NATURE
Beginning is never found but keep an ear to the ground
Accept the word of a friend there’s no beginning or end
Natures origin for instance is ceaselessness Existence
The worst form of child abuse is warping of the mind!
JH 8/29/06

Re:88354

straight_talk_

You say:"My beliefs are the consequence of my own experience---"(?) Belief in a Supreme---Intelligence---does not require brain washing"(?) (Not true!) (Another lie!)

Absurd! At some time in your past ‘someone’ mentioned “God” to you!  And, you were “BRAINWASHED”!

I say: Unless you INVENTED the idea of a “God”, which you did Not!, you, at some time, have been “brainwashed” into believing in something called “God” which apparently, ‘you’ decided to re-invent!

I say: “Belief in a Supreme Intelligence”, which you admit you only “postulate”, guess!, is absurd!
There is absolutely no ‘reasoning’ behind ‘such’ “postulating”!  It’s mere conjecture, speculation,etc.!

You mention: Supreme Conscious"(?) (ABSURD!  This is an un-provable absurdity! Ridiculous!)

You mention:"Supreme---Intelligence"(?) (ABSURD another un-provable absurdity! Ridiculous!)

You say: “I have demonstrated my postulates are not speculative---"(?) (WRONG!) (ANOTHER LIE!)

I say: that statement is another LIE! ‘You know’ that ALL POSTULATES are GUESSES! STABS IN THE DARK! CONJECTURE! IMAGINATION! DREAMS! WILD HOPES! 

YOU HAVE ADMITTED IT BY SAYING: “POSTULATES ARE UNPROVEABLE”!  DON’T YOU REMEMBER?

AND, ‘ALL’ “POSTULATES” ARE “SPECULATIVE”!  WAKE UP!

If you are going to keep up you repetitive lying, don’t address Jim H. anymore.

You are not proving anything to me!  I have got your number!, and I am convinced that, in addition to all your pschycotic delusions, the rest of your mind has finally snapped, and you no longer can distinguish between postulates and facts, or right and wrong, or truth and lies, so, go ‘chin’ with some other citizens of your make believe, fairyland world, where all will agree with you, and enjoy the pleasure of your ignorance!

Mass/energy never disappear
Ever were ever here!
J.H. 5/8/07
With nothing to ‘create’, a “so-called “Creator-God”
is an impossible superfluous nonentity!

Re: 88063

straight_talk_11

You Say: “---your posts regarding postulates, etc.(re)---science, mathematics,---"(?)

I say, ‘you’ are the “postulates” proponent!  I, being an inventor, must keep MY postulates secret; until I protect the ‘end product’ by patent!

And, I have not discussed mathmatics, here; so, you continnue to spin, away from the subject at hand!

I suppose I owe you an apology for believing you are one of those criminal charlatan Evangelical crooks who ravage little kids after convincing them it is the only way they can be granted grace for the “sin” (whatever that means) they were “born’ with”!

But, I have never before known of someone who was ‘not’ a “member of Clergy” that spent so much effort, and wrenched out so much perverted diatribe in an effort to support such tenuous assertions about a makebelieve, fairytale symbol of ones insanity.

And, after all our ebb, and flow of disagreeing verbiage, I can only wonder who, or what is responsible for doing such a masterful job of ‘inducting’ you into the army of imberciles that the ‘Godist’ religious minions epitomize. You appear so ‘addicted’ to that scheme, that I think of those little Muslim kids that thrill at the opportunity to die in an act of MURDERING non-believers, to prove they know better!

Your apparent bewitchment appears so strong that I have no doubt if we were living in earlier times here in the USA, you would try to have me “pilloried” or stoned to death, as a heretic!  Such is the depth of your ‘bigotry’, and conviction that a “postulate”, guess, is far better than any established proven fact!

A fully sane, reasonable person would totally reject your “God” if for no other reason than that ‘it’ required absolute bigotry, and rejection and repugnance for one’s fellow man, who did not accept this farce!  Such a dividing influence is the antithisis of the harmonious uniting indivisibility, our nation is meant to be!

Mass/energy never disappear
Ever were ever here!
JH 5/8/07
With nothing to ‘create’, a “so-called “Creator-God”
is an impossible superfluous nonentity!

THE ORIGIN OF NATURE
Beginning is never found but keep an ear to the ground
Accept the word of a friend there’s no beginning or end
Natures origin for instance is ceaselessness Existence
The worst form of child abuse is warping of the mind!
JH 8/29/06

If anything ever was
It is what you see
Not what may be!
JH 7/19/07

Re:87740

Rev. straight? talk Dr. of Div.

You say: “Jim H., you’re apparently---about 8 years---."(?)

I say: Doesn’t this sort of a statement ‘exclaim’ a limitation of a writer’s reasoning powers?

Regardless of how outlandish, illogical, incorrect, or critical that any and all posts addressed to you, “straight(?) talk, appear to you; no one in their right ‘mind’ could ever imagine ANY “8 year old” capable of dealing those death blows to your ego, and your preposterous asinine lying attempts to deceive everyone, that have been incorporated into these pages!

It only remains to be said, that you like many other fools before you, are, by that absurd remark making an hebetudinous, unsucessful effort to stifle the truth by attempting to “discredit the messenger”!

But, I have no doubt that many 8 year olds would laugh you out of sight, if they were not suffering from the same insane delusions you are so sick with!

Haven’t you stolen enough from your flock of innocents, and fools?  Why not stop all the lies, and try somehow to ‘atone’ for all the ‘rotteness’ you have caused those whose lives you have ‘destroyed’, and their progeny, who will also suffer, as the result of the branding, mesmerizing, indoctrination you have used to enslave, and warp their forebears minds with your absurd delusions?  You people all belong in jail!
At your very next Church meeting, tell your flock that you “have discovered the truth”; that “there is no such thing as a “God”,” and that you have been lying just to swindle all the money you could squeeze out of them, so that you could live like a rich person, and enjoy the pleasures that only money can provide.

Your nose must be elongating like Pinnochio’s!  Check your mirror when you next powder it!

Re: 87567 & 87571

Rev. straight_talk_11

You are like a broken record, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat absurdities!

I have repeatedly pointed out to you what, ‘even you’ have admitted, i.e., that “postulates” are worthless! guesses in this context!  You cannot use postulates to PROVE anything TO ME! 
Use postulates to attempt to arrive at a sensible intelligent PROVABLE FACT, then, present the fact!
If you cannot understand this, go immediately to the last school you attended and ask for your money back, or sue them, you are a partially educated illiterate, and a danger to all! 

You are extremely confused!  You have ADMITTED as much by saying “postulates cannot be proven”,and then asking me to: “show where my postulates are wrong?” (Your words!)

If all you have is postulates, which I have said again, again and you have ADMITTED, “do not prove anything”, then you are a fool not to realize what you are saying!
By your own statement, you are accepting a “POSTULATE” whch “cannot be proven”, as a reason, or fact for believing a figment of your own (postulate, guess, imagination)!

Then to ask someone to argue against the insanity of that kind of assertion, a “guess”, is to ask for company in your own little corner of your insane world!  Which ‘I’ refuse to join!
Simply stated: YOU’RE NUTS!

You talk about “logic” but you are illogical! You need to have someone read back to you several of your posts so you may come to realize how very illogical your ridiculous persistance in offering postulated guesses as proof of something!

Though “postulated” guesses are used to help arrive at what may become a valid conclusion, they of themselves, do not PROVE ANYTHING!

And I do not wish to debate the possible validity of an idiot’s “postulated” guesses!

Instead of babbling a diatribe about the relativivity of postulates to logical deductions,
use the information to PROVE SOMETHING!

I don’t need that info, you do! so follow it, to it’s “logical” conclusion, and see if you can come up with anything other than your inane, asinine, farcical conception of a delusion!

Haven’t you stolen enough from your flock of innocents, and fools?  Why not stop all the lies, and try somehow to ‘atone’ for all the rotteness you have caused those whose lives you have touched, and their
progeny, who will also suffer as the result of the branding, mesmerizing, indoctrination you have used to warp their forebears minds?  You people all belong in jail!

At your very next Church meeting, tell your flock that you have discovered the truth; that there is no such thing as a “God”, and that you have been lying just to swindle all the money you could squeeze out of them, so that you could live like a rich person, and enjoy the plelasures that only money can provide.

And stop snooping into my personal privacy!  Your nose is elongating like Pinnochio’s!

Re: 87274

Rev. Stray;

You are telling too many lies, and it’s all in your inane and idiotic posts for everyone to see! 

You have said: “I have given compelling reasons---?” AN OUTRIGHT LIE!

You have also said: “I think there are---compelling reasons"(?) THIS PROVES YOU’RE A LIAR!

I say: ‘That’ statement “---think there are---reasons”, says it all!  It means: you have not “given---reasons!  And, PROVES YOU’RE A LIAR!

Then, You say: “You have not shown WHY my postulates(?) are ‘unreasonable’ or unfounded.”
I say: Who cares about your “Postulates” ‘they’ are ‘NOT’ “REASONS”!  You are lying when calling them reasons!

Then you ‘ADMIT’: “Postulates are not provable---."(!) (Your own words!) Stop “postulating”!

I have repeatedly said, or implied you can not provide one iota of proof, or a valid reason for your invented makebelieve fairytales “God”!

How can you lie so much, and so often, and then keep teling lie after lie in an attempt to support all the rest of your repeated lies, without knowing that you are doing it? 
You say:"---(No) readers--- have---critiqued --- my postulates (claims)---?

This is but another audacious lie! 

I have repeatedly said, or implied, that your “postulate” (claimed) (’Godist’ ) “Creator God” or other conceptual idea of “God” you may have, is an absurd!, makebelieve fairytale tool of charlatans like you, used to enslave innocent children, and fools!  Prove otherwise! 

Where, from whom, or how did you ever come to imagine such a stupid idea?

Your problem is that ‘you’ have accepted (without proof) something that neither you, nor anyone else, can prove ever existed, and, based on your HALUCINATORY acceptance of a virtual “pig-in-a-poke” you want others to believe what you absolutely, have no valid reason for believing!

If you were the least bit HONEST, and serious, about truth, you would endeavor to find a valid reason for your surrender to such an overpowering addiction, that has caused your outlandish renunciation of sanity in favor of a benumbing, fawning delusionary idolatry that has deprived you of your innate reasoning!

WHY do you believe this great lie? 

Where’s the evidence?

How did you first come to believe in this illusory, chimerical conception?

Who told you about such a ‘thing’ ?

What made you accept that person’s ‘word’ about ‘it’?

If after a very thorough research, you came to realize that what you have accepted as true, and believed in for so long, was beyond any doubt whatsoever, totally incompatable with reason, or fact; do you believe you have the mental power to withstand the the hurtful shock to your ego, that admitting to yourself would cause, from knowing you have been a victim, a patsy, and a fool, to have ever believed the lies that caught you so unprepared to deal with it, from the very first?

“POSTULATES” do not prove anything, and are totally worthless as PROOF for anything at all!

You have said: (Outlandishly!) “---God---"creates(?) from within---"(?)

I say: Prove it! What does your delusion of “God” create?

Aren’t you sensible enough to realize that what cannot be proven, is not fact, but folly? And that claims are worthless unless supported by facts, PROOF!

You say: “Postulates” are not provable."(!) (Your words!)

So, why, when you admit ‘they’ are ‘worthless’, do you ask someone: to “show- why, (your) “postulates” are unreasonable or unfounded."(?) (worthlesss!)

Not proveable, means: guesswork, speculation, conjecture, infer, suppose, surmize, suggest, imply, hint, intimate, unfounded, without reason, fallacious, containing fundamental errors in reasoning: false, illogical, invalid, sophistic, specious, spurious, deceptive, delusive, ‘delusory’, illusive, illusory, unsound, misleading, assumption, ‘postulate’, without ‘proof’, judgment, estimate, or opinion arrived at by ‘guessing’, and implauseable!

Re: 87274

Rev. Stray;

You have said: “I have given compelling reasons---?” THIS IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE!

You have also said: “I ‘think’ there are---compelling reasons"(?) THIS PROVES YOU ARE A LIAR!

Then, You say: “You have not shown WHY my postulates(?) are ‘unreasonable’ or unfounded.”
I say: Who cares about your “Postulates” ‘they’ are ‘NOT’ “REASONS”!  So, you are lying when calling them reasons!

Then you ADMIT: “Postulates are not provable, of course."(!) (Your own words!)

I say: I am not concerned with your idiotic claims, “postulates”!  Stop “postulating”!

I have repeatedly said, or implied you can not provide one iota of proof, or a valid reason for your invented makebelieve fairytales “God”!

How can you lie so much, and so often, and then keep teling lie after lie in an attempt to support all the rest of your repeated lies, without knowing that you are doing it? 
You say:"---(No) readers--- have---critiqued --- my postulates (claims)---?

This is but another audacious lie! 

I have repeatedly said, or implied, that your “postulate” (claimed) (’Godist’ ) “Creator God” or other conceptual idea of “God” you may have, is an absurd!, makebelieve fairytale tool of charlatans like you, used to enslave innocent children, and fools!  Prove otherwise! 

Where, from whom, or how did you ever come to imagine such a stupid idea?

Your problem is that ‘you’ have accepted (without proof) something that neither you, nor anyone else, can prove ever existed, and, based on your HALUCINATORY acceptance of a virtual “pig-in-a-poke” you want others to believe what you absolutely, have no valid reason for believing!

If you were the least bit HONEST, and serious, about truth, you would endeavor to find a valid reason for your surrender to such an overpowering addiction, that has caused your outlandish renunciation of sanity in favor of a benumbing, fawning delusionary idolatry that has deprived you of your innate reasoning!

WHY do you believe this great lie? 

Where’s the evidence?

How did you first come to believe in this illusory, chimerical conception?

Who told you about such a ‘thing’ ?

What made you accept that person’s ‘word’ about ‘it’?

If after a very thorough research, you came to realize that what you have accepted as true, and believed in for so long, was beyond any doubt whatsoever, totally incompatable with reason, or fact; do you believe you have the mental power to withstand the the hurtful shock to your ego, that admitting to yourself would cause, from knowing you have been a victim, a patsy, and a fool, to have ever believed the lies that caught you so unprepared to deal with it, from the very first?

Aren’t you sensible enough to realize that what cannot be proven, is not fact, but folly?

And “POSTULATES” do not prove anything, and are totally worthless as PROOF for anything at all!

You have said: (Outlandishly!) “---God---"creates(?) from within---"(?)

I say: Prove it! What does your delusion of “God” create?

I say: Why don’t you attempt to prove the validity of your assertions?

Where’s the evidence?

How did you first come to believe in this apparently illusory, chimerical conception?

Who told you about such a ‘thing’ ?

What made you accept that person’s ‘word’ about ‘it’?

If after a very thorough research, you came to realize that what you have accepted as true and believed in for so long, was beyond any doubt whatsoever, totally incompatable with reason, or fact, do you believe you have the mental power to withstand the the hurtful shock to your ego, that admitting to yourself would cause that you have been a victim, a patsy, and a fool to have ever believed the lies that caught you so unprepared to deal with it from the very first?

Aren’t you sensible enough to realize that claims are worthless unless supported by facts, PROOF!

You say: “Postulates” are not provable."(!) (Your words!)

Re: 87091& 87095

straight_talk_11

You say: “---’MORE’ (?) compelling reasons---?” “---they’re already here.” “---I have (offered) compelling reasons---” (?)

I say: LIAR! You have not cited even ONE!  Liar!

I Say: You are a ‘disgusting’ LIAR! You have not offered even ONE REASON! for any one to accept your so called, absurd “POSTULATES”!

A “postulate” is a CLAIM!  It is ‘NOT’ a REASON!

DICTIONARY:  postulate
To make a claim (?)
To assume(?) or assert(?) .

YOU HAVE SAID: (these are your own words) “I think there are---compelling reasons"(?)

I say:That statement (think) says it all!  IT PROVES YOU ARE A LIAR!

Even a dope like you should know that “think” there is a reason, is NOT stating a REASON!

And it shows that you have not provided even one (1) “REASON”! 

Not even one (1) reason in all of your critically bigoted babbling attempt to “prove” the un -proveable!

Not one (1) reason to support your ceaseless lies! 

How can you lie so much, and so often, and then keep teling lie after lie in an attempt to support all the rest of your repeated lies, without knowing what you are doing? 

You say:"---(No) readers--- have---critiqued --- my postulates (claims)---?

This is but another audacious lie! 

I have repeatedly said, or implied, that your “postulate” (claimed) (’Godist’ ) “Creator God” or other conceptual idea of “God” you may have, is an absurd!, makebelieve fairytale tool of charlatans like you, used to enslave innocent children, and fools !

Prove otherwise! 

Where, from whom, or how did you ever come to imagine such a stupid idea?

Re:86700

Rev. nahida

Thanks for reading my posts, and your (free) critique. Don’t mess up your ‘Alb’ with sputtering spittle.

You say: “received---unfounded(?) accusations of irrationality, insanity and believing in fairy tale stories;---"(?)

I say: You must be a drug addict!  No one in their right mind would lie so OUTRAGEOUSLY!

I say: “Accusations” of irrationality, insanity, and believing in fairy tale stories---"are extremely ACCURATE! when discussing someones ‘belief’, or ‘faith’ in something totally falsle, absolutely impossible to prove, a figment of a charlatan’s evil criminal mind, and the delusional symbol that induces people like you to be the asinine blowhard verbose bigot you are.

If you wish someone to believe in your ‘Godish’ fetish, all you need do is present some ‘proof’ that such a ‘thing’ ‘IS’ REAL!, and not a makebelieve, fairytales, device, used to lure innocents, and imbeciles ‘like you’ into a form of slavery to an irrational conception of life, and a world of mindless delusion that causes the type of bigoted agressive attacking misstatements, and a ‘pedantic’ attermpt to demean, belittle, and insult the intelligence of someone who is by far, light years, your mental superior!

YOU ARE TOTALLY CONFUSED!  ‘YOU’ ‘IDIOTS’ ARE THE BELIEVERS!

We, The rational ones!  who accuse ‘you’ criminal idiots of lying and chicancery, and warping innocent children’s minds with your schemes are the NON-BELIEVERS! 

Sane, rational, people do not ask, nor expect others to PROVE the non -existance of “santa Clause’. the “Tooth Fairy” “Mickey Mouse” or other makebelieve, fairytales entities such as a “Creator-God” and “little Orphan Annie”!

Sane, rational people KNOW these are comic, or farcical conceptions, and do not, nor have they ever existed except in the minds of storybook writers!  Or, in the case of the “Creator-God”, in the ‘heads’ of all you, the DELUDED ‘MINDLESS’!

Don’t demand others to prove you are a liar!  The proof is in your absurd twisted assertions!

You talk about “logic”!  Isn’t it logical to you that what does not exist does not need to be proven not to exist?

Your problem is that ‘you’ have accepted (without proof) something that neither you, nor anyone else, can prove ever existed, and, based on your acceptance of a virtual “pig-in-a-poke” you want others to believe what you have absolutely no valid reason for believing!

If you were the least bit HONEST, and serious, about truth, you would endeavor to find a valid reason for your surrender to such an overpowering addiction, that has caused your outlandish renunciation of sanity in favor of a benumbing, fawning idolatry that has deprived you of you innate reasoning!

I say: Why don’t you attempt to prove (or, disprove) the validity of your assertions?

WHY do you believe this great lie? 

Where’s the evidence?

How did you first come to believe in this illusory, chimerical conception?

Who told you about such a ‘thing’ ?

What made you accept that person’s ‘word’ about ‘it’?

If after a very thorough research, you came to realize that what you have accepted as true, and believed in for so long, was beyond any doubt whatsoever, totally incompatable with reason, or fact; do you believe you have the mental power to withstand the the hurtful shock to your ego, that admitting to yourself would cause, from knowing you have been a victim, a patsy, and a fool, to have ever believed the lies that caught you so unprepared to deal with it, from the very first?

Aren’t you sensible enough to realize that what cannot be proven, is not fact, but folly?

Happy Friday to All!

Why can’t our dear, great world leaders spend the abundant resources we are gifted with toward the welfare of all mankind… instead of on these destructive wars?

The turmoil you see and hear in Afghanistan and present day Pakistan was not seen or heard of during one era in their history… and that was when the Buddhist leaders ran those countries… Their only secret was the belief in nonviolence and respect for all life.

Why are the present day Devout/Faithful so angry, confused and destructive?

Wishing everyone a fun weekend,

With love,

DSA

Re: 86657, 86687

straight_talk_11

You say: “You can’t prove God doesn’t exist.” (?) THIS IS ANOTHER OF YOUR ‘PEARLS!

Is it your custom to require people to prove the non-existance of things ‘not existing’?

Your delusion is much deeper than I could have believed!

I have provided you with the means to resolve all your dilemma while retaing a portion of your sanity, and a ‘piece’ of your ‘split’ personality; but you instead are attempting to sidestep the issue by asking ‘me’ to “disprove” ‘for you’, the ‘un-proven!

No one ‘in their right mind’ would EVER ask someone to PROVE that a ‘conjectured’ image, or makebelieve fairytales character does not exist!

No one ‘in their right mind’ would expect someone to prove the unproven!

No one ‘in their right mind’ would ask someone to ‘prove’ there is no “Santa Claus”!

No one ‘in their right mind’ would ask someone to prove their is no “Tooth Fairy”!

No one ‘in their right mind would ask someone to prove their is no “God”!

Have you ever had any success proving ‘anything at all’ that never existed, does not exist?

If so, What formula did you use? And please tell us ‘all’, just ‘what’ ,’you’ proved never existed?

I am insisting that: “something is NOT TRUE, that cannot be proven TO BE TRUE”! 

This is a statement of ‘fact’ that no one ‘in their right mind’ would question or ask to be proven!

If there is absolutely no evidence for the ‘existance’ of something, there certainly is no ‘evidence’, nor need their be for the ‘non-existance’ thereof!

You say: “I think there are---compelling reasons(?) to postulate the existence of God---"(?)

What?  What?  No more “certainty”?  Am I finally penetrating that denseness?  Maybe there’s hope?

Why not elucidate?

What are those “---compelling reasons---?

In your “Continued from previous post” You say: “People have challenged my opinions---(by) “make"-ing broad statements of disagreement.”

I say: “Broad statements” of unsubstansiated assertions about non-existing ‘entities’ that belie facts,
are best answered by “broad statements” correcting the both the insideous delusionary farcical assertions, and the narrowmindedness of the asserter!

86253

straight_talk_11

You say: “---Supreme and Conscious Intelligence---(I) call Him God(?)

I say: Why don’t you attempt to prove the validity of your assertions?

Don’t you realize that only an imbercile would keep insisting that somethiing was true that could not be proven so? 

Where’s the evidence?

What are you hiding?

How did you first come to believe in this apparently illusory, chimerical conception?

Who told you about such a ‘thing’ ?

What made you accept that person’s ‘word’ about ‘it’?

If after a very thorough research, you came to realize that what you have accepted as true and believed in for so long, was beyond any doubt whatsoever, totally incompatable with reason, or fact, do you believe you have the mental power to withstand the the hurtful shock to your ego, that admitting to yourself would cause that you have been a victim, a patsy, and a fool to have ever believed the lies that caught you so unprepared to deal with it from the very first?

Aren’t you sensible enough to realize that what cannot be proven, is not fact, but folly?

Re: 86261

Stray Talker

You say: “---define---terms---"(?) (MORE DELUSIONS!)

I say: re-writing the dictionary, is not “defining” ones “terms”!

Dictionary words ‘do’ have definite meanings!

Have someone, (not one of your religious fanatical delusional friends) explain the difference between “defining” a “term” and using a word that is a well-"defined" dictionary term!  IN A DICTIONARY!

You then will find that your attempt at re-definition and altering the meaning of a word thereby, is so ‘far fetched’ that only a fool could imagine or conceive of any connection between your ‘meaning’ and fact!

So much for your so called idea of “communication”?

Then, you say:"---your beliefs are different."(?) (Certainly different from your DILUSIONS!)

I say: ‘this’ is another of your idiotic assertions and remarks!

Aside from the fact that ‘you know’ that ‘I’ “believe” ‘you’ are: a delirious, delusional, fanaticlly religious charlatan who hypnotizes and indoctrinates innocent children and fools into that criminal ponzi-racketeering, swindling, infectious plague-like disease of ‘Godism’; and, that I despise all of you who are responsible for warping the minds of those little innocent children who are often the victims of proselytising paedophile pastors, ministers, priests, and others of ‘your’ ILK, ‘YOU’ ‘DO NOT’ KNOW WHAT ‘I’ “BELIEVE”!

And, except for those who are also, delusional like you; from merely reading some of my postings here, only a fool would speculate that I am “narrow-minded”!

Do you also believe that in addition to denyiing your “Godist idea”, that those who deny the existance of “Santa Claus”, and the “Tooth Fairy” are therefore “narrow minded”?

Perhaps YOUR mind is too, too, broad, if it is the cause of your halucinations!

Re:86314

Melanie Stephan

What, if anything are you ‘personally’ doing to enlighten the world about the EVILS caused by the propagation of the criminal ponzi-like racketeering scheme ‘Religion’, that indoctrinates, and enslaves innocent childrlen and fools and converts them to shills to proslytize and spread their infectious plalgue-like disease that causes delusional thinking, and an absurd child-like fairytale conception of the world that is a constant threat to those of us who live in the ‘real’ world and are ceaselessly threatened by their illogical bigotry?
As you know, the farcical “Godist” figure they idolize is merely a tool of the rotten charlatans that rape little kids; and, the word “God”, during Mythological times actually referred to every type of horror and evil the world knew of at that time. Isn’t it therefore horrifically ironic that what once represented the worst sort of evil; some idiots, now use to frighten little kids with; only they tell them (the evil) “God” is “Great”?

Re:86253

Stray Talker;

You say: “--- atheists---define “God” (who) “doesn’t exist”.(?)

I say: Wow!  Do you really mean it?  You say “God doesn’t exist”?  Have you finally seen the light?

But, there you go again, lying! lying! lying!  MORE OF YOUR DELUSIONS!

I say:  SECULAR NON-BELIEVERS, “ATHEISTS” DO NOT MAKE UP DEFINITIONS!

Why do you so strenously refuse to acknowledge the validity of DICTIONARY definitions that are accepted by literate people throught the entire world, instead of repeatedly insideously attempting to insinuate your simple minded conceptions of word meanings, that are so far fetched, noone but you, know what they mean?

You say:"---intelligence operating in the cosmos---” This is just another of your quirky ideas of a definitiion, which in no way presents the least bit of evidence to PROVE such a ridiculous outrageous THING!

Realists, people who reject lies about un-proven assertions, including ‘your’ “God”; ‘however’ YOU re-define ‘it; call ‘it’ what it absolutely IS, a FARCE!  If you want to accept, and refer to this as a ‘new’ definition, you are welcome to. I call it a valid description of what you apparently deem a “Creator” of some ridiculous undefineable sort except to your deluded excuse for a mind!

As I have said before, you need a pschiatrist!  Get help! before you get any worse, maybe it’s not too late?
And you might save the lives of some of those kids you otherwise would ‘screw-up’ with your delusionary criminal propaganda!  REPENT! GET THAT ‘GODIST’ MONKEY OFF YOUR BACK!

Greetings Everyone!

Thanks for your input on the subject of Faith!

As we are currently experiencing great dangers and conflicts largely due to Faith, it is mandatory that the free thinkers speak up and make their voices heard. 

Reasoning does not seem to be a concern of the devout.  All they generally expect is just to believe what they say and join their path… It does not matter how destructive the consequences can be…

In reality, all I experienced in this life was just the constant interactions with mankind.  The rest I see… is our beautiful planet with its abundant natural resources and beauty.

While I’m here, I would love to enjoy every moment of this human experience as a free soul, a free spirit.  I do not wish to be burdened with Faith while this life of mine lasts…

When it is time to leave, I will leave it with immense gratitude for the privileges I have enjoyed.  What happens next is to be seen… or may never be seen…

In-the-meantime, I end this note with love & best wishes to all,

DSA

This is an important message. Please read and pass it along. I have a message to tell you about
Revelation. The message is from God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost respectively sent in the Spring of 2006. It is about the meaning of First is Last and Last is First . The message is this: In the morning I go to Heaven. In the afternoon I live my life. In the evening I die, death. What does this mean? In other words this means Birth is Last and Last is Birth. To understand this don’t think from point A to point B. Think of this as a continous circle of life. Birth, Life, Death, Birth. God also said that Judgment will be before Birth in Heaven. As birth on Earth is painful so will birth in Heaven. It is possible that this message was delivered by one of God’s Angels. Yes, God has recently made contact and he sent a messenger. Spread this message along, just like a chain letter. Tell two people. OH, one more thing of interest. Did you know that Mike Douglas dies on his birthday.  Melanie Stephan

COPY
NOTE: This was first sent to several MENSA email addresses including “National, International, Australia.

RE: “Mensa’s goals”
“Mensa has three stated purposes: to identify and foster human intelligence for the benefit of humanity;
to encourage research in the nature, characteristics, and uses of intelligence; (?)
and to promote stimulating intellectual and social opportunities for its members.”
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Hello You-all; With the above stated aims in mind,
What, if anything is MENSA and their Members doing to enlighten the world about the EVILS caused by the propagation of the criminal ponzi-like racketeering scheme ‘Religion’, that indoctrinates, and enslaves innocent childrlen and fools and converts them to shills to proslytize and spread their infectious plalgue-like disease that causes delusional thinking, and an absurd child-like fairytale conception of the world that is a constant threat to those of us who live in the ‘real’ world and are ceaselessly threatened by their illogical bigotry?

Re: 85807

Rt. Rev. Stray Talk Dr. Div.

There you go again!  REINVENTING “GOD”!  You are DELUSIONAL! You are suffering from Bipolar, Multiple Personality Disorder!

You say: “---not all believers in “God” are irrational---(?) THIS IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE!

I say, DELUSIONAL ‘IS’ IRRATIONAL!  AND BELIEVING THE UN-PROVABLE ‘IS’ DELUSIONAL!

You say: I believe in---(what) I call God---something---(noone) else gets to define. (?)

I say: NOW YOU ADMIT(?) ‘YOU’ ‘ARE’ “REINVENTING” “GOD”!  You are DELUSIONAL! 

I say: Making up your own ‘little’ ("God") world; is playing games, makebelieve, fairytales; and when you believe it is REALITY(?) you are seriously mentally disturbed, and a big danger to yourself, your family, and all others you may come in contact with, or influence in any way at all, including any here, who give any credence to anything you write!

You say: “--- there are a---bunch of us theists who don’t fit(?)---preconceptions of who we are.” (MISFITS!)

I say: In this statement (directly above this) you have stated a fact!
It is almost impossible to imagine the lengths to which some imberciles or reprehensible people will go, to perpetuate such an obvious bogus criminal scheme that is represented by a word once used to describe every type of horror, and evil.

And I, for one, am thunderstruck that the ‘World Intellectual Community’ has not, and does not, completely expose all you criminally fraudulent scheming swindlers, for the true debauchers, and destroyers of our Democratic, and Human Society, that is so obvious ‘you are’, to anyone who is not distracted from, or beholden to you-all!

And, ‘I’ “hope” ‘you’ ‘get’ ‘it’!  In the end!

Refering to straight_talk_11 #84850

I made a simple comment.  From that you have made some rather bizarre conclusions about me.  Looks like you’re trying to pick a fight.  I’m not interested.  Jim H seems to be handling you just fine.

Anyway, I’ll take Harris over Hedges any day.  Many others have made better points than I could make as for why this is true.

And don’t take it so personally.

Re: 83666 Hello DSA;
Thank you for your good ‘thoughts’ about Sam Harris, See: http://www.truthdig. com/report/item/20070529_sam_harris_fights_back/

He too, like Rushdie, has taunted a gigantic man-eating octopus, and must take many precautions to prevent a repeat of the Madalyn Murray O’Hair debacle that the “Religious “faithful” fanatics do a dance of joy over! 
Although I too am thankful for “The End of Faith”, I believe no one has come within a ‘light year’ of pointing to, or discussing the ‘epic’ proportions of the ever broadening destructive criminal influence, evil intentions, designs and calamitous results of the Religious “Faith” Organization’s unwavering pursuit of total Theocratic domination our once Democratic, USA, and the entire World!
How many people can even imagine: any ‘one’ organization of any kind, that can, and does accumulate, free from taxes, every day, more money, including donations of taxpayers hard earned funds that are contributed to them by G. W. Bush’s “Faith"-based" operations, than any other company, business, or other type of honest enterprise in the world, accumulates in one month? 
And, how many people can even imagine: the amount of influence all this ill gotten wealth is able to purchase?
Through the use of all type “Holding Companies” and many other similar methods of hiding ownership, the Religious Organizations own, or control a major portion of all Media, including newspapers, radio stations, publishing houses, television stations, and, many Congressmen, and Senators, plus G. W. Bush, and Dick Chaney!
These same Religious “Faith” Organizations have repeatedly caused our ‘bigoted’ Congress, and ‘bigoted’ US Supreme Court, to deny, and violate many parts of our US Constitution, and The Bill Of Rights!
These same Religious “Faith” Organizations have repeatedly supported, and influenced the installation of G.W. Bush a ‘bigot’, and Military Deserter, into the White House!
These same Religious “Faith” Organizations continually object to, and repeatedly violate the Constitutional Law: “Separation of Church and State!
These same Religious “Faith” Organizations repeatedly deny “woman’s rights”!
These same Religious “Faith” Organizations use the “Pulpit” to electioneer and promote religious bigot candidates for elective office, and use big bushels of their money lucre to help this happen!
These same Religious “Faith” Organizations also use bundles of money to pay lobbyists, and influence all Congressional actions that are destructive of our Democratic way of life and detrimental to all US citizens!
These same Religious “Faith” Organizations fight against any and all means of limiting family size, including medicines that prevent childbirth, because without innocent children to brainwash, mesmerize, brand, and indoctrinate into their fantasy world of ‘Godism’ their Religious Organizations would soon ‘dry up’ and go out of business!
Of course this is but a mere minute insight into the monstrous behemoth the ‘Ponzi-like’ racketeering Religious “Faith” Organizations embody and represent, and the perpetual horrific infectious plague-like disease they are ever more widely spreading every hour of every day through the means of newspapers, radio, and television, and even door-to-door-proselytising!

And, if we secularists, the rational ‘ones’, don’t soon confront this war on sanity and reason, before long, if it is not already too late, we will be surrounded, smothered and inundated by the horrible putrid dung these Religious “Faith” Organizations are everyday filling the airwaves, and earthly environment with!

85222

Rev. ‘STRAY’ Talk, Dr. of Divinity, and Proselytizing Preacher

So! You’re at it again?

First, You are doiing your ‘damnedest’ trying to re-define “FAITH”?

Dictionary:

FAITH: Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence!

And you’re are trying a ‘new tack’? Another ‘AFFRONT’ at RE-INVENTING a lost-cause farcical “God”?

You say: “Not all theists consider God as “supernatural”.(?) This is an outright lie!

Dictionary:
GOD:  An image of a “supernatural” being; an idol.(!)

“If you don’t realize this, you are dangerous to both yourself, and the rest of humanity!”

And, anyone who thinks, or ‘pretends’ otherwise, is either an imbercile, an escapee from a ‘Nuthouse’, or a thieving charlatan (like you?) seeking to perpetuate the schemes and tricks used to prey on, and enslave innocent children, and fools (like you?), give them ‘inferiorty complexes, and compel them to kneel and
plea for ‘grace’ for their “sins” (whatever that means) which often is only granted in return for criminal
sexual perversion.

You say a/o imply: ‘in effect’, “It is) “My personal view--- (that) God (did not) “create” “nature” “from outside of nature”!  “---not a “supernatural” agent acting from outside.”
(Rather; once “nature” existed? “God”, as a “fully natural(?) ‘abstraction’ (?) within nature”, ‘THEN’, ‘CREATED’ nature"(?) (and all the the rest of everything?)

With your ‘warped’ and ‘twisted’ method of making asinine deductions, your mental numbness has accidently finally brought you closer to the ‘actual’ TRUTH!
The absurdity of imagining that ANY ‘THING’ was ever required to CREATE what already, and ALWAYS EXISTED!
Mass/energy never disappear
Ever were ever here!
J.H. 5/8/07
WITH NOTHING TO CREATE A ‘SO-CALLED’ CREATOR-GOD
IS AN IMPOSSIBLE SUPERFLUOUS NONETITY!

You are SICK, and getting SICKER! You had better see a Psychiatrist!

I am by now ‘MORE CONVINCED’ you are one of the ilk of that gang of criminals: Falwell, Haggard, Pat Robertson, Jerry Brown, James Dobson, the Pope, etc. etc. who LIE, and steal money from little kids, and convert them through mesmerizing, branding, indoctrination into automaton shills for spreading your rotten cancer of the mind disease to other little childrens minds so they all become robotic donaters of money to sate your filthy, slimy insatiable greed!

Why else would you lie so much? And keep insisting that FARCE IS FACT?

You certainly KNOW that “God” is a farcical tool of rotten crooks! And that it was originally used to describe every type and sort of evil in mythology, the forerunner of all religions!
And that “there NEVER, was a BEGINNING”, thus no “first cause” “Creator God”!

It might help your weak and distorted conception of the world to dwell on the question that: if there WAS a so called “Creator God”, who, or what CREATED the “Creator God”,? And, Who or what created that which created the one that created the “Creator God”?  And IF you say that “God” ALWAYS WAS”? Then you are in fact describing the UNIVERSE! That “ALWAYS WAS”!

Wake up! And stop lying! You cannot fool sensible people who have not caught that discease.

And I am certain most others here realize you are just another of those ‘lying crooks’ who seek to hypnotise and enslave more little kids so as to do dirty things to them!

Re: 84377

To: Mister Maani; “Evangelical Minister"--- to the poor(?)

You say: “Faith deals with ---the “super"-natural world.”

I say: “Supernatural” is an oxymoron!

Nature is ‘superb’, but, there is NOTHING ‘BEYOND’ “NATURAL”!

“Supernatural” is the realm of fakers, and criminal ‘charlatans’ who sell “Pigs in a poke” saying: “ Trust me!

There is absolutely nothing better than, or “super” to the natural world!

I say “supernatural” “Faith” is unnatural!  And ‘Godism’ is ‘Blind Faith’ in an unnatural superfluous nonentity!

And those who believe in the “supernatural”, and ‘Godism’ are ‘blind’ to the “facts of NATURAL life”!

Dictionary: supernatural (?)
Outside the natural world.(!)
A power that violates natural forces.(!)
Of or relating to a deity.(!)

You say: “I VEHEMENTLY oppose ANY attempt by “religion” to foist on---anyone---explanations
(about Godism) ---which do not stand up to the scientific method.” (?) LIES!  LIES!  LIES!

As an “Evangelical Minister”, ‘Proselytizing-Preacher ‘YOU’ ARE always “FOIST"ING upon all within earshot your lying “explanations"---[about ‘Godism’] which do not stand up to the scientific method."(!) So you are an admitted liar!

You say: “---my mother---rabidly atheist---invites me to discussion-s---(at) CSI---(secular meetings)---her “ulterior motive” is---"(?) (No doubt an effort to mend your mind! And startle you back to reality!)

You say: “---my mother, while---not understanding or accepting my faith---”.

(Has no alternative but to HUMOR her once sane, but now, the victim of a warped mind, daughter, with whom she is making an effort to bring her back to reality while avoiding insulting, or offending, her once cute little innocent girl, who has somehow strayed from the ‘straight and narrow’ path of natural reality and is the unsuspecting victim of criminal charlatan thieves who may any day convince her to make an oath of poverty, then be compelled to give up all her worldly possessions to those thieves!)

Think!  How would you react to a daughter who renounced sanity, in favor of an ‘addiction, to something you knew was the most evil force on the face of the earth?

What could you possibly do to ‘win her back’ without alienating her, and losing her altogether?

Your mother is smart enough to realize that; just as you are reacting to the information, and criticism provided by some of us here, you would be just as adamant and resentful if ‘she’ were to say, or imply
that you are an asinine fool to believe, or have “faith” in, a make-believe, fairytales assertion of charlatan thieves that there is such a thing as a “Creator-God”!

The very least you should do if you have any respect for the integrity of your ‘highly intelligent’ mother, is, to, ask her to tell you why she is an atheist, and why she does not believe in the “God” you believe in!

You say:"--only true God...” makes an awful lot of presumptions---”

You have said: “I am an Evangelical Minister” (!)

So! You therefore believe “There is only one True God!”

And, according to ‘your’ “faith”, “anyone who denies “God” is, in ‘your’ “faith” a “mortal sinner”!

I do not know why you would call this a “sarcastic”, “presumptuous” “accusation”!

And why do you say: “--- (the above) has no application in my life and faith.” (?)

PS: I am an Associate Member of CSI, a Member of CFI, and a subscriber of both Skeptical Inquirer, and Free Inquiry!  But I haven’t seen you at any of the meetings?

Are you a momma’s boy?

Re: 84756

Doug L

You say :“Chris Hedges has taken religious double talk to a new level of insanity.  That’s all there is to his rant.”

I say: BRAVO! You are so very right!  Please read on:

Re: Chris Hedges: “I don’t Believe in Atheists”

Chris Hedges is ‘off his rocker’!

Hedges says: “Sam Harris has conflated faith with tribalism. 

I say: Blind “faith” is the fuel of religious tribalism!  FAITH ‘is’ “conflated” with the “tribalism” of religion!

I say: Sam Harris wrote about the destructive “faith” of religious fanatics!

Dictionary
“faith”: Belief without logical proof or material evidence.(!)
The body of dogma of a religion:
A set of principles or beliefs.

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“conflate”: To bring together
To combine into one whole. (RELIGIOUS CONGREGATION!)

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“tribalism”: The organization, culture, or “beliefs” of a tribe.(!) (GODISM!)

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“tribe”: A group of people sharing an interest, or habit.(!) (RELIGION!)

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“monotheism”: The doctrine or belief that there is only one God.(!) (Godism!)

Hedges says: “What he (Harris) fails to grasp is not simply the meaning of faith(?)— but the supreme importance of the monotheistic traditions in creating the concept of the individual."(?)
(This is an absurd lie!)

I say: “Monotheism” “faith” in “God”, enslaves; and absolutely destroys “the the concept of the individual”! 

I say:Hedges begins his statement with ranting accusations and outlandish lies!  And then, in order to support his atrocious lies, he raves on, and on with a stream of ‘mumbo-jumbo’ doubletalk that creates the impresssion he is so fanatically addicted to the idea of a “Creator-God” that where he sees increasing opposition to the gigantic ‘spoof’ from ever more ‘quarters, he decided he would try his hand at ‘re-inventing ‘God”.

And, like so many before him, he fails!  So much for his farcical ridiculous self-destructive diatatribe!