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Zimmerman’s Lawyers Quit His Case

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Posted on Apr 10, 2012
AP/Orange County Jail via The Miami Herald

This undated image shows George Zimmerman, who fatally shot an unarmed 17-year-old on Feb. 26 in Sanford, Fla.

George Zimmerman’s legal team decamped Tuesday, saying in a news conference that day that they had had trouble getting through to their client, first because he hadn’t been taking their direction and then because he dropped out of contact with them as of last weekend.  —KA

The Huffington Post:

The attorneys claim that Zimmerman repeatedly rebuffed their legal advice, and that they have now lost contact with him.

“As of now we are withdrawing as counsel for Mr. Zimmerman,” Craig Sonner, one of his attorneys, told reporters outside the Seminole County Courthhouse in Sanford, Fla. “We’ve lost contact with him. Up to this point, we’ve had contact with him everyday. He’s gone on his own. I’m not sure what he’s doing or who he’s talking to, but at this point we’re with withdrawing as counsel. If he wants us to come back as counsel, he will contact us.”

[...] “On Sunday we lost track of George in that he wouldn’t return our phone calls, and we couldn’t get hold of him,” Uhrig said. “We had no reason at that time to believe that it was anything suspect.

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By heterochromatic, April 13, 2012 at 6:53 pm Link to this comment

I’m not much worried Wouldn’t much bother me if he got some time. I early
learned the difference between lex and ius.

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By PatrickHenry, April 13, 2012 at 6:13 pm Link to this comment

tic,

Don’t worry they’ll make something up.

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By heterochromatic, April 12, 2012 at 6:49 pm Link to this comment

it surely is…....except that without some actual evidence, the pros won’t take it to
a jury.

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By PatrickHenry, April 12, 2012 at 6:43 pm Link to this comment

tic,

Its for a judge and jury to decide.

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By heterochromatic, April 12, 2012 at 4:17 pm Link to this comment

PH—- I’m not contesting that Zimmerman followed the kid and approached him….
that’s not anywhere near to showing wrongful death….and miles from
manslaughter…...

more evidence is needed ... perhaps the prosecution has more than is
showing…..otherwise charging manslaughter is an overcharge and their
ratcheting up the penalty as a bargaining tactic to get Z to plead out to some sort
of felony.

I just heard to Fla attorneys on PBS review the evidence and the charging doc and
agree that there’s nothing convincing showing.

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By PatrickHenry, April 12, 2012 at 3:55 pm Link to this comment

tic,

Then there is the phone call to the girlfriend where Martin claimed he was being stalked by Zimm prior to the attack.

The phone call to 911 where he was warned to leave Martin alone.

This is all proof and can be documented.

Zimmerman should have been held in jail before he appeared before a judged initially, the DA releasing Martin because they felt too lazy or otherwise not inclined to prosecute is a non starter in a murder inquiry.

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By heterochromatic, April 12, 2012 at 7:31 am Link to this comment

PH—It IS hard to prove who started the physical altercation…...if the people can
come up with physical evidence….like a bunch of facial contusions on Martin and
corresponding injuries to Zimmerman’s hands they might have a shot….and if they
can produce a credible eyewitness saying that Z laid hands on Martin to start it,
then they’re golden.

All I’ve seen is that they can clearly show that Z was the guy with some fucked-up
idea that the kid must not be allowed to walk the streets unchallenged.

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By John Poole, April 12, 2012 at 7:24 am Link to this comment
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A hopeful sign. Trayvon’s mother says it most likely was an accident which to me
means she knew her son also also had a hostile and aggressive demeanor at
times. Nobody is all wrong nor all right in this incident. Zimmerman shouldn’t
have been carrying a gun nor done a pursuit and in my opinion would have been
found guilty under manslaughter but with the higher charge an acquittal may
happen. Both families need to find a way to use the tragedy for the benefit of us
all. The courtroom is hardly the venue for any big leaps in social cohesion.

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By PatrickHenry, April 12, 2012 at 3:25 am Link to this comment

tic,

PH—- someone dead ain’t enough to support the charge…..the state has to show that the death was wrongful…..and they may not be able to do even that.

Physical altercation, someone dying by a gunshot, yeah really hard to prove here.  I don’t think death by misadventure will fly either.

Martin was actively stalked by an armed Zimmerman after Zimmerman was warned not to by the 911 dispatch.

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By gerard, April 11, 2012 at 11:05 pm Link to this comment

Hetero:  My comment of April 11, at 6:54 was deliberately set up as a series of questions 1,2,3 etc. Question 1 was in regard to what the original attorneys MIGHT HAVE TOLD HIM.  It was posed in the form of a speculation with a question mark at the end.

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By heterochromatic, April 11, 2012 at 8:11 pm Link to this comment

gerard——” The attorneys didn’t think he had a chance of escaping punishment
and told him so…’


where did that idea come from?


was there something in the HuffPo story that I missed or is that just your guess?


the idea that he’s gonna get 30 years is not supportable from anything publicly
available to date.

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By gerard, April 11, 2012 at 7:53 pm Link to this comment

My quizzical nature brings some important questions to mind:
1. The attorneys didn’t think he had a chance of escaping punishment and told him so, which scared him as it would anybody, but In order not to appear to be “deserting” him, they made as much as possible out of his being “out of contact”?  Actually what happened with that? 
2. Was he precariously balanced from the get-go, maybe following extreme racial ideology and associating personal insecurities with the national “surveillance” craze, for status and for a feeling of support and patriotic or legal approval?
3. He had no money or source of income. How much family support has he had and will he get?
4. How will this very controversial “Stand Your Ground” law help or hinder his defense? And what qualifications will the public defender which he will probably get, have?
  All the elements of this case are totally pitiable, and under the loaded circumstances it is difficult to hope that any helpful and humane information will be allowed to penetrate the walls of authoritarian self-protection of “the system” so that any public understanding will accrue.  And if and when he “gets 30 years” (in a presumably rotten prison, as most are) then what? 
  And who will help bear the Martin family’s sorrows over time?  Florida is being called upon to show some real merciful justice here with huge future implications.  Will it understand its duties to all
concerned?  Or will it follow custom, wash its hands as quickly as possible, and “pass by on the other side of the street?”

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By heterochromatic, April 11, 2012 at 6:29 pm Link to this comment

PH—- someone dead ain’t enough to support the charge…..the state has to show
that it the death was wrongful…..and they may not be able to do even that.


I would like to see the guy get convicted of SOMETHING but from the media
accounts of the case it doesn’t look all that likely to be a felony.

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By Gmonst, April 11, 2012 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment

Apparently the prosecutor thought there was enough evidence for a 2nd degree murder charge.  Glad it is going to be settled in a court where it should have been settled in the first place.

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By PatrickHenry, April 11, 2012 at 3:54 pm Link to this comment

tic, 

Pat—what have you seen that would sustain a charge of manslaughter?

Someone died at anothers hand.

is there any evidence to refute the claim that Martin threw the first punch and was on top of Z when he was shot?

Maybe the kid thought he was defending himself against a plain clothes stalker, middle eastern looking armed terrorist instead of the neighborhood watch, he’s the victim here.

An inquisition of the facts is warranted.  If Zimmerman provoked this incident he shares a greater measure of guilt and should be punished.

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By heterochromatic, April 11, 2012 at 3:25 pm Link to this comment

Pat—what have you seen that would sustain a charge of
manslaughter?

is there any evidence to refute the claim that Martin
threw the first punch and was on top of Z when he was
shot?

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By moonraven, April 11, 2012 at 12:45 pm Link to this comment

I am not surprised.

This guy is a sociopath: 

He refused to obey the police
and deliberately killed a yound man
just because he was black,
and now is trying to make himself into
a media celebrity asking for money,
and hoping to become a star on
the talk shows.

This guy should be charged with murder one,
tried, and not by an-all white jury,
and there should be a gag order
on the guy throughout the proceedings.

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By carl quinlan, April 11, 2012 at 7:41 am Link to this comment
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hmmm… Doesn’t follow advice, goes solo, gets in trouble. Do I see a behavior pattern here?

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By PatrickHenry, April 11, 2012 at 3:18 am Link to this comment

Paid and billed are two different things.

I’m sure Zimm got billed, I’m not sure the lawyers got paid.

There should be a manslaughter charge in Zims future from what I’ve seen and heard of the evidence.  Many have gone to jail for less.

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By Observer, April 11, 2012 at 1:10 am Link to this comment
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Who needs money . . They gave him a one way ticket to visit the >promised Land - Israel< for some time off.

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By gerard, April 10, 2012 at 8:57 pm Link to this comment

From media presentations I’ve seen so far, it appears to be a draw which factor in this sad situation is the most non compus mentis—the offender, the attorneys, the State of Florida, or the general population of this Nation.

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By darkcycle, April 10, 2012 at 8:26 pm Link to this comment

His lawyers must have been paid somehow. They were already working for him, PH. Only a complete idiot just pitches his attorney’s advice and goes it solo. Only a complete and TOTAL idiot does it in a case as high profile as this. With decision making power like that, I can imagine how the Zimmerman/Trayvon encounter played out.

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By PatrickHenry, April 10, 2012 at 6:33 pm Link to this comment

He obviously has no money.

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By kafantaris, April 10, 2012 at 4:59 pm Link to this comment
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Based on the repeated and excruciating screams heard a minute or so before the shot is fired, Zimmerman had the opportunity not to shoot Martin.  Since he shot him anyway, the prosecutor has enough evidence to bring a murder charge—this is so even if we assume that Zimmerman was initially punched and knocked down.  Martin’s “help, help” pleas show that Zimmerman later got the upper hand, and could have waited for the police make the arrest.  Instead, he shot an unarmed man pleading for help.  This is enough to show criminal intent and a murder charge is therefore in order. 
As for race, it had nothing to do with Zimmerman’s decision to shoot—though it may have been a factor in his pursuing Martin at the outset.  It certainly was a factor in the perfunctory investigation that followed.  Nonetheless, Zimmerman, did not shoot Martin because he was black.  He shot him because he was angry.  So angry, in fact, that he could not hear Martin’s desperate pleas for help. 
Great anger, even when provoked, does not justify the killing of another human being.

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By 333maxwell, April 10, 2012 at 4:48 pm Link to this comment
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I’m just an audio guy.. I make no claims to anything
else.

I took the 911 call with the most audio informatiion
regarding screams, pulled down some of the louder
noises (the actual shot and a few times the woman
caller gets a bit loud) so they don’t hurt you while
listening to the softer noises… Then ran it at a
slower speed and pitch corrected it 100 percent true.
Anyone with an ear for music can tell not a note has
been changed.. Digital affords you this luxury. In
the analog days we had to physically slow the
tape/medium down and you lose pitch and clarity.

THIS AUDIO IS NOT ENHANCED per sey.. not like
enhancing a photo.. the only enhancing has been to
adust volume levels so you don’t hurt your ear
listening to everything at relative volume levels.

There are a few swirling artifacts in this copy
because I had to compres the wav file to a 128 kbps
mp3 to fit on my page so you had a player to hear it
on.. These artifacts are slight and will not
distract.

http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=11548279

This exercise is just a way to access the call and
hear things you would not of as easily (but every bit
of audio information from the original is still
there) just listening to the raw recording. Akin to
slowing down video without the frame per second
limitations.

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By doublestandards/glasshouses, April 10, 2012 at 4:00 pm Link to this comment
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He’s been talking to Sean Hannity but not to his
lawyers.  This could qualify him for an insanity plea.

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