If the United States truly wants undocumented workers to stop crossing its borders, it should simply stop creating them. Instead of the angst and ire being focused on the brown skinned people, perhaps it should be focused on the politicians and CEO’s whose insane trade policies which favor the economic royalists, and its continuing policies of destabilizing, assassinations, torture, and regime change in Latin America.

By Tobysgirl, July 18 at 4:38 pm #

“I do not refer to other human beings as “illegals.” That is absolutely disgusting. How does a person become “illegal”?”

A person becomes illegal by doing something illegal.  Back in the days when obeying the law was an honorable thing to do, and government officials enforced the laws, even the ones they didn’t like, until they were repealed or changed, we called people who willfully broke the law “criminals”

If you would like to see how the whole rest of the world treats individuals who cross over their borders illegally, try it.  I think those three young people who crossed into Iran by mistake are still in jail over there.

Living in Tucson for years to take advantage of the night sky photographic opportunities created by miles and miles of desert, I have, on more than one occasion, witnessed large numbers of people crossing over into the national forest area west of I19.

As I saw, and you can see on many videos, there is absolutely no control over who and what croses that border.  If it were just warm, fuzzy little latinos looking for day labor, it would continue to be ignored for many more decades.  But it has become a major smuggling operation, and not just drugs and not just by Mexicans.

China’s giant corporation, Hutchinson Whampoa Limited, (HWL) has been developing deepwater ports for years in Mexico.  I think HWL is still the holding company for Chinese billionaire Li Ka-shing.

His Lazaros Cardena Seaport on the west coast of Mexico is one of the largest ports in the world, causing the loss of thousands of US jobs, as the port operates on cheap Chinese and Mexican labor.
It is all part of the NAFTA super highway, which is the major impetus for Chinese growth.

NAFTA was that great wealth redistribution plan to help other countries of the world catch up to the US.  Li Ka-shing surely thanks you for the opportunity to become one of the worlds richest men, and to pay his labor less than 1 dollar an hour.

But that port brings in much, much more.  HWL is closley tied to the Chinese military, and in years past, it was documented that Chinese military reconnaisance was going on across the border into Arizona and New Mexico.  There is a large Chinese military presence in South America at this time.

In addition, pirates and smugglers from all over the world are able to access Lazaros Cardenas and other ports and take advantage of the chaotic law enforcement of Mexico and the porous American southern border to transport virtually anything anybody wants up into the USA.  Obviously the major problem would be unfriendly people bringing weapons in, and possibly tactical nukes, which are hard to smuggle in through an airport. 

So desiring to have a controlled border has much more to do with a lot of more serious subjects than Tyson taking advantage of slave labor.  Of course if not for that cheap labor, maybe Tyson would have to pay real wages and benefits to Americans who could use a job also.

So, tell me just what your real reason is for not wanting that border sealed up and controlled?

The reason job-seekers don’t find jobs has little to do with Mexican day laborers. Corporations shipped tens of thousands of jobs to countries where labor is cheaper and has no rights,  and where environmental restrictions are non-existent.America doesn’t have many lower middle class jobs for people anymore.

The reason many lower middle class Americans get riled up about it is that they listen to Fox News hysteria and believe what they are told because they didn’t get enough education to be able to tell propaganda from fact.

These same people, because they don’t have a clue, will support wars against “foreigners” because they feel threatened—period—just plain threatened.  Maybe it’s these foreigners; maybe it’s those foreigners. 

Get smart, guys.  It’s the unregulated capitalistic economic system which is legally allowed—no, encouraged—to make as much profit as possible for its share-holders, regardless of the public welfare.

Public?  Who’s that?  Not me.  Welfare? That’s bad.  It means free food, clothing and shelter for lazy people who .... blah, blah, blah.  It’s not me.  It’s them over there. Those socialists.  Those Frenchfries.  Those Hajis.  Those Japs.  Those Arabs.  Those .....

I got news for you:  Them is us!  As long as we waste time and energy fighting each other we’ll never solve any problems.  Only create new ones.

I do not refer to other human beings as “illegals.” That is absolutely disgusting. How does a person become “illegal”?

I would suggest you good old Americans (none of us look like we’ve been here very long compared with the people who came here thousands of years ago, and whom we tried to exterminate) think about the million and a half Mexican corn farmers thrown out of their livelihoods by the flooding of cheap industrial American corn into Mexico. I realize most of us here are totally opposed to horrors such as NAFTA, so then think about who undocumented workers benefit ... like Tyson? What is the ideal worker? Someone who can’t complain and has no rights. Please watch Food, Inc to see how ICE helps the meatpackers continue to use undocumented labor.

What a terrific nonissue for Americans to blather about. Get ‘em all hot under the collar about Latin Americans and they won’t notice the theft of their savings, their jobs, their homes, their schools, their water, and everything else they’ve got, by the oligarchy.

Patrick Henry - thanks for the info.  Obviously, it’s time we exported/deported those employers along with the illegals they’ve hired.

Felicity, employers of illegals don’t pay taxes if they know the employee isn’t here legitimately.

It takes the filing of quarterly witholding taxes for the government to take notice.

Typical border activity.

http://www.rense.com/general91/texasc.htm

Fat Freddy’s post is indicative of a lot of misconceptions, sometimes outright lies around the issue of illegals in this country.

Foreinstance, the blanket belief that illegals can legally obtain public assistance is wrong.  In California, at least, General Relief is a public assistance program for, specifically, poor people without children (people with dependent children qualify for relief under a different program.)  Getting on General Relief is not only very difficult it requires, and always has, proof of citizenship.

If broken down into numbers, illegals (through paying taxes) contribute far more to the economy than they suck out of it.

Yes YES YES! I agree with 90% of what I read and DaveZx3 is correct, can`t slide much longer.
Myself living in Mexico 20 years, before, Hawaii 20 years gives me a different perspective, coming from Austria, I started my immigrant journey at the age of 8, and now 61 still an immigrant, some things take longer than one lifetime to change.
I find this Arizona issue amusing, yet frightening, many of my Red Neck Gun totin, amigos, say “The half breed in the Big House, is letting them all in and amnesty for 12 million already here” they go home and clean their guns.
Check the Gun sales still soaring,
America getting ready to hit Iran,
middle America arming for civil disobedience in the face of an economic draft.
America the procrastinator, needs the Terminator.  I I invite all Mexicans to come back to home-Mexico, your country needs you Here NOT THERE! I agree with Arizona and Utah. Send them all HOME Homeys! Mexico needs You!

Americans don’t seem to be concerned about the numerous illegal immigrants in the U.S. from Europe.  And currently Asians, at least the pale ones, seem to be getting a pass.  So I have to doubt we’re dealing with a sudden upwelling of affection for law’n'order.

I AM ILLEGAL! Get the fuck over it!

XENOPHOBES! 

It is not about fear you boneheads.  It is not about helplessness either.  It is not about profiling, nor discrimination, nor immigration.  It is not about a lack of compassion for poor people. 

If you don’t understand what this is all about, then quit writing about it.  You just appear to be ignorant by your total misunderstanding of the legitimate, legal will of the American people on this issue.

This is the one that will doom the left, because they always talk about democratic ideals, but when a significant majority aligns, legitimately against them, they ignore or belittle them with cute little words like xenophobe. 

It just comes down to how much longer the people will let it slide.  I don’t think it is going to be that much longer because there is an outrageous amount of anger out there on this issue.

I don’t think xenophobia is the right term.  To go by its etymology, it means fear of strangers, and Mexicans and other North American Hispanics are hardly strangers.  They’ve been on the territory now occupied by the United States since long before it was the United States.  In fact Mexicans and their culture are quite familiar to other North Americans.

Hence I think the correct word is racism.

I understand why people come here to make a better life.

The same plutocratic corporations that are wiping America off the map, are grinding the rest of the world into the dust.

The middle class in America is being exterminated, by the plutocracy, who pay their foreign workers less than a dollar and hour, and work them in 12 hour days with no benefits, or in much worse labor conditions for jobs that used to be done here.

Concentrating, wealth at the top has been fun for the plutocracy, but it means the end of America as a country.

As jobs continue to march overseas, and unemployment keeps rising, whats the need for foreign workers who keep sneaking accross our borders?

Is it to bury America?

The corporations have succeeded in doing what Adoph Hitler, couldn’t do, with all his goose stepping fanatics, and monstrous miliatry machine.

And since the federal government won’t do anything about it, except posture itself. Then, people have done the only thing they could do, go to the state legislature, where they still have some hope of political change.

What will America look like, when there is no America left?

In Tennessee, knowingly presenting a false ID card to get a job is a misdemeanor.

It is a criminal federal offense.

US Code TITLE 18 (Crimes and Criminal Proceedings) > PART I (Crimes) > CHAPTER 69 (Nationality and Citizenship) § 1424 (Personation or misuse of papers in naturalization proceedings)

Whoever knowingly and unlawfully uses or attempts to use, as showing naturalization or citizenship of any person, any order, certificate, certificate of naturalization, certificate of citizenship, judgment, decree, or exemplification, or copies or duplicates thereof, issued to another person, or in a fictitious name or in the name of a deceased person—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.