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WikiLeaks Suspect’s Health Declining

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Posted on Dec 25, 2010
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Pvt. Bradley Manning, who has been held in solitary confinement since June on suspicion of leaking documents to the WikiLeaks site, is reportedly ailing, according to his lawyer, with his health declining for the last four months.

Manning is said to have been denied sleep, linens and adequate exercise since he was arrested in June. —JCL

The BBC:

The only person to visit Wikileaks suspect Pte Bradley Manning in custody other than his lawyer says his health has declined in the past four months.

Pte Manning, a US soldier, is being held in solitary confinement in a high-security military prison at Quantico marine base, Virginia.

US journalist David House, who has been visiting him since September, told the BBC World Service he looked “frazzled”.

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By Go Right Young Man, December 29, 2010 at 7:52 am Link to this comment

RayLan,

An artful dodge.  Did you happen to notice that you failed to answer the question?

Are you capable of any substantive arguments at all, or must you continually twist and prevaricate?

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By RayLan, December 28, 2010 at 10:13 pm Link to this comment

grym
We need to put you in solitary for your protection from reality- after a few months, we’ll talk about how it’s not torture. Realize you won’t have Truthdig to troll.

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By fearnotruth, December 28, 2010 at 9:36 pm Link to this comment

Correction - Lamo gave the Wired interview, reporting we he claims Manning told
him - that needs a follow up - is he still giving interviews, or is he under some
form of ‘house arrest’?

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By fearnotruth, December 28, 2010 at 9:32 pm Link to this comment

RE: ...keeping Pfc. Manning away from the general population for his own
safety…

perhaps more important, away from outside inquiry - Wired’s early
interview (how did they get that?) leaves lots to question…

Manning to Wired: ”Weak servers, weak logging, weak physical security, weak
counter-intelligence, inattentive signal analysis … a perfect storm.”

maybe just a bit too ‘perfect’ - it’s important to keep digging into whom benefits
from these data dumps

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By Go Right Young Man, December 28, 2010 at 10:18 am Link to this comment

RayLan,

Explain once again how keeping Pfc. Manning away from the general population for his own safety is understood as torture.

Is it your fear or your hatred of Americans that brings you to this conclusion?  Or, conversely, are you simply an incurious follower mimicking what others have said before you?

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By Go Right Young Man, December 28, 2010 at 9:48 am Link to this comment

RayLan, - “why is America in such a dire almost failed state not only domestically but internationally.”

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Precisely the religion I’ve been writing about.  The religion of Chavez, Zawahiri, Hedges and many others before them.  The same mantra that’s been preached for over forty years.  I would be willing to wager that you believe your religion is something new.  Something unique for the times.  Well, it’s not.

Hate, fear and self-loathing.

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By RayLan, December 28, 2010 at 8:39 am Link to this comment

“Yes.  Thank goodness there are so few of you on the globe.”
Another sweeping self-generated statistic by GYRM. If he thinks Truthdig is so aberrant it speaks to his trolldom of why he keeps picking fights with these deluded posters.
If people like him are the majority and he is right-thinking - why is America in such a dire almost failed state not only domestically but internationally.

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By fearnotruth, December 28, 2010 at 3:13 am Link to this comment

RE: ice world of sunshine and moonbeams - clearly never been to the
lands of freezing fog - never mind, just leave the women outside before running
off to the snow caves

... we’ll avoid reminding the Hun that Leif Ericson first conquered North America,
then came an Italian, some Spaniards, Portuguese and finally the Brits… as for the Huns?
Well they did occupy Czechoslovakia for a while, without an officer getting assassinated every other day

Atilla, did you get here through a rat line?

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By Atilla, December 27, 2010 at 11:57 pm Link to this comment

username said ‘I live in one of the Scandinavian countries, and the people here look up on United States as a country with smallness complexes.’

Well username, I submit that 90% of Americans give as much weight to the opinions of people from the Scandinavian countries as an elephant does to a gnat on his ass.

If you have never been in the military, or had access to classified information then you don’t have a clue as to what kind of damage can be done with the information stolen by Manning and compromised by Assagne. You live in your little ice world of sunshine and moonbeams and pontificate about the morals of others. If your homeland was ever invaded you would probably go find a cave to hide in, and pray that the Americans come in to save your behind. I stand behind my statement that the little weasel should be executed if found guilty, and Assagne should follow right behind.

Other than that, I do admire the beautiful Scandinavian women….I just don’t understand what they see in you wusses…

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By reynolds, December 27, 2010 at 11:03 pm Link to this comment

“this web space draws a very specific pathology” he
said without a trace of irony. amazing analysis as
onanism.

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By Go Right Young Man, December 27, 2010 at 9:07 pm Link to this comment

faith - “GRYM, I think you jump to a priori judgments.  However, I do apologize for any inference concerning censorship.”

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I’ll trust that you’ll consider that it may be you who is jumping to conclusions.  I base my judgments on this thread after several years of observing.  Listening.

I am what is commonly referred to as moderate in my politics.  But on this Web space I am an evil Neo-Con bent on death by way of starving and torturing little brown children. - That attitude, that judgment, is driven by hate, fear and self-loathing.

What has this to do with the subject of Pfc. Manning?  When Manning is held up as a hero it’s time for the majority to step in and take action.

Most of you would do well to understand that in the United States alone, one of the most liberal nations on the planet, only 20% of the voting public identify themselves as liberal.  A mere 8% identify with contemporary Progressives.  That’s 82% of the voting public who, quite honestly, see a much different world. - Believing that 82% of the American public is too stupid to understand the nuances of “progressivism” is the epitome of arrogance.  In short; it’s not a balanced judgment.

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On this Web space Hugo Chavez too is a hero.  The same Hugo Chavez who openly “disappears” liberals in Venezuela.  Why Hugo the hero?  Because he speaks the same religion as is heralded here.  He too believes it’s the American people and system which is uniquely corrupt and blood-thirsty.  All while Chavez jails and kills journalists in Caracas. - These are not balanced judgments.

I have listened closely.

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By faith, December 27, 2010 at 7:35 pm Link to this comment

“I do not believe Robert Scheer is representative of the intolerant, hate-filled,
self-loathing and bigoted regulars found in the comments sections of this Web
space.”

GRYM, I think you jump to a priori judgments.  However, I do apologize for any
inference concerning censorship.  I do not believe in censorship on the whole, but
I do believe in civility and no name calling.  I should have said it that way -  Civility
and no name calling.

You are free to do as you wish or as the site requires.

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By Go Right Young Man, December 27, 2010 at 7:05 pm Link to this comment

faith - “I am surprised that disparaging remarks are admitted, because on the whole, for the years that I have been reading the comments here they have not been allowed.”

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And I find all of that deeply disturbing on many levels.  From your support of censoring any disparaging remarks to how anyone who reads the comments here would believe that disparaging remarks do not appear on this site, multiples of dozens of times per day, for several years.

Clearly we will disagree with nearly everything in your post.  I write nearly because I too hold a respect for Mr. Scheer.  I don’t often agree with him but, I do respect him.  I do not believe Robert Scheer is representative of the intolerant, hate-filled, self-loathing and bigoted regulars found in the comments sections of this Web space.

Why do I write all this?  Liberals, particularly those who identify themselves as “progressive”, are always quick to judge the actions and thoughts of others without holding that same mirror up for similar scrutiny.

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Thank goodness there are so few of you.  Many of you are the reason wars are fought.  The impetus of corruption and tyranny.  Incapable of comprehending the dangers you represent, thus powerless to prevent them.  All in the name of your religion of “fairness” and “equality of outcome”. You live in a world where someone like Pfc. Manning’s perceived actions, true or not, is applauded.  His larceny, and possible treachery, is held in high regard.

Yes.  Thank goodness there are so few of you on the globe.

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By PatrickHenry, December 27, 2010 at 5:36 pm Link to this comment

Manning is guilty of violating USC title 18 section 798.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000798——000-.html

22 year old Bradley Manning is innocent of causing harm to the Government of the United States but he is surely guilty of managing to embarrass them.

10 years and $10,000 fine max.

I want Manning brought out into the light of day, where his congressman and legal council can help him and where ‘we the people’ can monitor this case.

After all we are the jurors.

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By faith, December 27, 2010 at 5:22 pm Link to this comment

GRYM:
“Hate, fear and self-loathing.  It’s a deadly mix on TruthDig.”

What an amazing analysis.  Dear bloggers, it is not my intention to jump into
the middle of this morass, but, I feel compelled to provide a little history for
GRYM.

Dear GRYM:
First, Many of the bloggers on this site were formerly readers of the Los
Angeles Times.  When that news source summarily dismissed Mr. Robert Scheer
from its writing editorial staff, because of his analysis and comments
concerning the war in Iraq/Afghanistan and then created his own website -
TruthDig, we were supportive of his new site. 

Many of us (at least those individuals I know that read this site) began to
comment online here.  Mr. Scheer is very well respected.  And, I must tell you
(pardon my sloppy syntax, by the way) that most commenters here are
extremely competent and their writing skills are extraordinary.  I have shared
this site with many law school schoolmates just so that they can appreciate the
language, arguments, and fact analogies.  It is, in fact, a step above other, and
sometimes more prominent sites.

I am surprised that disparaging remarks are admitted, because on the whole,
for the years that I have been reading the comments here they have not been
allowed.  In fact, usually, I think most people check their language, their
spelling, their syntax and write cogent, thoughtful comments.  A new year is
approaching, and as that old song goes - “let there be peace on earth, and let it
begin with me”.

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By G.Anderson, December 27, 2010 at 5:16 pm Link to this comment

In your opinion GRYM, Trughdiggers are on the fringes of society, opinions are not fact.

In your case I could make a better case for your thought patterns being on the fringes of society. Simply because, they are pathological. Not within the norm. Because you constantly contradict yourself, in that you don’t care what anyone thinks of your opinions, yet you engage in pointless struggles with others over them.

In your opinion others have misread, the manning situtation. Opinions are not facts, nor is trying to tout them as judgements. Yet you are not in any position to make judgements of others.

This is another attribute of right wingers, that is palthoogical, the belief that because they are patholgically convinced of the rightness of their opinions, obessively so, they have the right to judge others based on their delusions, but in doing so only pass judgement on themselves, by displaying a projection of their desires for control over others.

This is not normal behavior. It puts you on the fringes of society.

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By Jim Yell, December 27, 2010 at 4:47 pm Link to this comment
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How one lone pvt. could hurt the US of A? The fact remains that our government has no business making everything secret and certainly what is secret has no business being held secret long past the time it could cause a problem and even if it will cause a problem, in time it needs to be dealt with.

We are supposed to be an informed public, but how can we be informed when our elected and appointed leaders hide their crimes and bad judgement under the cover of secret.

The young man may have had a flaw in his reasoning when he released the documents, but at heart that doesn’t matter. We are currently being marginalized by our government which is supposed to serve us,not their private agendas.

For crying out loud get the young man out on bond and let him prepare his defense, but if he is to be procecuted, than first lets indict and prosecute the leaks of the Bush/Cheney years, all done for the most malignant and evil administration this country ever had.

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By Go Right Young Man, December 27, 2010 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment

RayLan - “Are you capable of any substantive arguments at all….”

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Absolutely.  I can tell you once again that you have misread my comments several times in several ways.  I never said that being in the majority makes an argument for or against right and wrong.  I simply, and correctly, point out that TruthDig regulars make up the fringes of contemporary society.

I can also point out again that you have misread the Manning situation as well (it seems there’s a pattern here).  Explain once again how keeping Pfc. Manning away from the general population for his safety is understood as torture?

I can also point out once again that you have judged Manning as innocent before his trial. - Something you warn others against practicing.  Care to explain that bit of hypocrisy?

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By RayLan, December 27, 2010 at 1:03 pm Link to this comment

GRYM
“Nobody likes to hear how they are the far fringe of society.  I understand your frustration, nonetheless, you inherently know it is true.”
Dream on. I get way more agreement and confirmation on my views than you do, if you get any at all.

I’m not in the least frustrated or I would have to resort to irrational tactics like you do.

Your majoritarian claims are laughable for a troll.
Are you capable of any substantive arguments at all or must you continually twist and prevaricate with ‘ad hominem’.

Even if your wishful thinking were true - majority doesn’t make truth—another of your well worn logical fallacies.
Hedges can be considered in the minority since he is not subject to the extended delusion to which you so mindlessly acquiesce.

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By Go Right Young Man, December 27, 2010 at 10:08 am Link to this comment

RayLan, - “Your statistics about how many people like myself are on the globe beg so many questions without support they are not ever worth attempting, except by somebody without a logical leg to stand on.”

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Nobody likes to hear how they are the far fringe of society.  I understand your frustration, nonetheless, you inherently know it is true.

You need to go back and revisit my comments.  You have misread quite a lot. - I never intended to comment on the article.  I only commenting on the comments to the article…LOl

So, solitary confinement to protect the confined is torture?  You confirm your odd sense of right and wrong.

Manning is not in solitary confinement as a punishment.  His life is in danger in the general population. - Let us get our facts straight, shall we?

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By RayLan, December 27, 2010 at 9:48 am Link to this comment

GRYM
“Now you’re simply arguing for the sake of it”
Which is no argument at all. What a tawdry evasion.
My ‘argurment’ was simply a re-statement of what you said and what I didn’t even imply. You are not even addressing the topic of the article - that would make you a troll and unfortunately there are too many of you.
Long term solitary confinement is considered one of the most severe kinds of
punishment, as psycholgists confirm.
Your statistics about how many people like myself are on the globe beg so many questions without support they are not ever worth attempting, except by somebody without a logical leg to stand on.

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By Go Right Young Man, December 27, 2010 at 9:12 am Link to this comment

RayLan, December 27 at 1:40 pm

Now you’re simply arguing for the sake of it.  What a waste of time.  Thank goodness there are so few of you on the globe.

Manning is now being “tortured”?  Really?  What is the legal definition of torture and, how does it apply to the treatment of PFC Manning?  Would you be kind enough to detail the “torture”?

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By RayLan, December 27, 2010 at 8:40 am Link to this comment

GRYM
“Defend the criminal - He harmed the United States.  Defend the criminal - His image represents our goals.  Defend the criminal - He aids in blaming the U.S. in all things.  Defend the criminal - He’s a hero.”
This is a patent albeit sarcastic defense of his treatment since that is what the article is about -
Manning is a victim of a lapse in due process- and proper procedure. There is no legal or moral justification for torture and punishment without an indictment. What is your point? You put words in my mouth by claiming I have made some kind of contradictory (hypocritical) statement.
Your sweeping wild-eyed statements about Truthdig and 90% of the people, hate and self-loathing have no basis in reason or fact -just your self-indulgent and blind hatred of anybody who doesn’t share your simplistic xenophobic view of patriotism.

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By Go Right Young Man, December 27, 2010 at 8:17 am Link to this comment

RayLan,

I am certainly not putting words in your mouth.  You have written many times, in many threads on this topic, how Manning is, essentially, an hapless victim.  You either believe that or you don’t.  Which is it?

Speaking of putting words in another’s mouth:  I have never commented on the treatment of PFC. Manning.  And the hate, fear and self-loathing I write of is derived by the comments on this Web space in their entirety.  Not on a single subject or comment. Tsk tsk for putting words in my mouth.

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By RayLan, December 27, 2010 at 7:15 am Link to this comment

“You judge Manning innocent then ask others what the verdict and sentence is.”
You are disingenuously and it seems deliberately putting words in my mouth.
The law of the land, either military or civilian, determines that a suspect chared with a crime is considered innocent until proven guilty. You however, make the bold-face and unsupported accusation that he has harmed the US and that his abusive treatement is justified. Any other belief in your disingenuous mind is considered self-loathing. Tsk Tsk

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By usernamed, December 27, 2010 at 5:53 am Link to this comment

Atilla,

Please elaborate. Yes, what Manning did wasn’t perhaps the most ethical thing from the Government’s perspect, but to the people it was absolutely necessary. It showed how your Government has been hiding their faults, huge ones. I know you think you have so much nobility overseas—but you’re wrong! And please, take your Republican attitude to somewhere else, it’s just shameful to read comments that incite death sentence and other things, make you look very low.

I live in one of the Scandinavian countries, and the people here look up on United States as a country with smallness complexes.

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By fearnotruth, December 27, 2010 at 2:24 am Link to this comment

RE: Here on TruthDig, not matter the charges, Manning is a hero.

not so fast

patsy to the psyop - blows your mission, doesn’t it?

http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2010/12/24/psyop-assange-updates/

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By Go Right Young Man, December 27, 2010 at 1:19 am Link to this comment

RayLan, -  “When did he get a conviction? What was the verdict and the sentence?”

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You make an excellent, albeit hypocritical, point.  You judge Manning innocent then ask others what the verdict and sentence is.

Queenie is a good case in point regarding TruthDig regulars.  Not knowing, or understanding, the several charges against the young PFC.  Here on TruthDig, not matter the charges, Manning is a hero.

Self-loathing, hate and fear.

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By fearnotruth, December 27, 2010 at 12:31 am Link to this comment

too much uninformed speculation - consider this - c.a. 6 min. - Wayne Madsen on
access - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kidwJ_sgrJs

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By G.Anderson, December 26, 2010 at 11:53 pm Link to this comment

So Atilla where does that leave Tin Man Dick Cheny? He did eveything that Manning did and more…

Also bribed, the Nigerina governement, which is a felony under US law, and released classified information in time of war….

What about your Buddy Bush, authorized torture, then bragged about it, in violation of the Geneva convention and the military code of conduct.

Conservatives have always been a minority party, they can only get elected by creating divisions, in the country…Your party is the minory,....there are more independents..

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By G.Anderson, December 26, 2010 at 11:47 pm Link to this comment

Since you appointed yourself, as a spokes person for the vast majority of the 6 billion people on this planet, I have news for you, your suffering from delusions of grandeur, GRYM.

Cleary, you are dishonest, because, you claim not to care what anyone thinks so why bother to post an opinion here…

Your view that this place is full of hate and self loathing, is only a projection of what you, yourself feel. Toward anyone else who dosen’t share your, stunted intellectual view of things.

The last thing in the world you want is for every poster on this blog, to ignore each and every word post..

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By Atilla, December 26, 2010 at 11:01 pm Link to this comment

Queenie says that Manning is not a criminal. WRONG! Manning is a criminal in every sense of the word. He is subject to penalties up to death, which I hope happens, but probably won’t. Most of you bleeding hearts on this site do not have a clue as to the damage this TRAITOR has done to this country. Manning is a disgrace to the uniform he wore. His buddy Assagne is no better. If lives are lost due to his irresponsibility he should be prosecuted and given the maximum sentence allowed.

GRYM certainly hit it on the head when he said that most of the contributors here represent a very insignificant portion of the electorate, as do most of the poor souls on HP.

Patriot10101 didn’t I see you down by the river in your flowing robes ranting to a non existent audience?

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By RayLan, December 26, 2010 at 10:49 pm Link to this comment

“You should dig deeper before you continue this discussion. “
That’s what you should do. When did he get a conviction? What was the verdict and the sentence?

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By gerard, December 26, 2010 at 10:40 pm Link to this comment

Thanks, all—but I fear it is useless.  It seems the “uncertainty principle” is just too unbearable for lots of people who will go to any irrational length to try to nail things down—to crosses, or to anything else that’s at hand!  I have relatives who set me crazy with this cant.  My father had relatives who set him crazy with the same cant a hundred years ago.  Guess we just have to remember that old cliche:  It’s better to (try to) light a candle than to curse the darkness.”

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By fearnotruth, December 26, 2010 at 10:28 pm Link to this comment

RE: Bradley Manning is not a criminal. He has been charged with nothing, or
am I missing something

charges: http://www.bradleymanning.org/3163/charge-sheet-html/

But, many of us suspect something more, consider this:
http://tinyurl.com/28ced2w

Tuesday, November 30, 2010

Could Private First Class Bradley Manning be a Patsy for the WikiLeaks
Leaks: Cyber Security Bill Likely Now

[...]
Let’s not rush to the conclusion and automatically assume Private First Class
Bradley Manning successfully pulled this off on his own. Do you mean to tell me
the United States government doesn’t monitor the use of its national security
secure network—like who is accessing the files, how many files the are
accessing, how often they are accessing, and if any of these files are being
transferred? This may be something much bigger, and Manning may be nothing
more than a patsy.

[...]

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By Go Right Young Man, December 26, 2010 at 9:41 pm Link to this comment

Queenie, Bible thumping?  “Word” in capital letters?

What is this all about?

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By Go Right Young Man, December 26, 2010 at 9:27 pm Link to this comment

Queenie, - “GRYM: Habeas Corpus is far beyond rational?”

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Habeas Corpus is not beyond rational.  But then I don’t understand your point.

You write that Manning has not been charged with a crime.  You should dig deeper before you continue this discussion.

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By Queenie, December 26, 2010 at 9:09 pm Link to this comment

GRYM:

Habeas Corpus is far beyond rational?

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By Go Right Young Man, December 26, 2010 at 8:28 pm Link to this comment

Queenie,

Obviously we disagree.  Obviously I believe you have a very myopic view of the world.  A view which holds Manning as a hapless victim and the Justice Dept. full of criminals.

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I do believe governments abuse their power.  The American government is no exception.  But the things you believe in are Far Beyond rational.

Thank goodness you represent the minuscule minority.

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By Go Right Young Man, December 26, 2010 at 8:20 pm Link to this comment

G.Anderson,

You may not have noticed that your views on what is conservative and/or liberal are meaningless to me.  It’s why I very rarely view or opinions and, I believe, have never commented in the past.

Only because your last post was directly above mine did I read your last comments.  Not only is it not possible for me to care any less what you happen to believe in, you’re completely wasting your time directing your opinions for me to see.

Your energies would be better spent trying to hold a discourse with someone else here.

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Very few people enjoy hearing how the vast majority of six billion people believe them to be representative of the farthermost fringes of contemporary society but, it’s true.  Truthdig regulars are thought of in just such a manner.

If one knows of The Huffington Post, Politico, and Democracy Now then one knows of TruthDig.  Most Internet savvy news hounds have been here, only to direct themselves toward more challenging Web spaces.

There is little on this site that is original (Bob Scheer and Dr. Ritter excluded) and the atmosphere here is acrid.  Full of self-loathing, hatred, intolerance and fear. - The things that drive war, corruption and flagrant human rights abuses.

Let us, at the very least, keep this in context.  Hamas, Hezbollah, the military arm of Sinn Féin, Aum Shinrikyo and FARC are the equivalent of most TruthDig regulars.  You all preach a very similar religion.

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Thank goodness most of you represent the minuscule minority.

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By Queenie, December 26, 2010 at 8:17 pm Link to this comment

Bradley Manning is not a criminal. He has been charged with nothing, or am I missing something? He is being tortured by our country and we are not supposed to oppose this, GRYM? On what planet are you from? Under what rock did you crawl out from under?
He is not a criminal. We are not supposed to feel angry and saddened that this young man, in all likelyhood, will never have his day in court to defend himself? Don’t you have the slightest ray of intelligence to know that if our government can do this to him they can do this to any of us? Or do you think you are superior enough to others here to belittle the empathy we feel for this poor kid? Or do you just get your rocks off goading others with your facile and outrageous lack of understanding? Huh?

As for the bible pounding, it is just plain bad form. Puts people off and I for one do not know what in hell you are rambling on about. What Word? In capital letters yet.
Bradley Manning is not a criminal. If he is judged so by others, that is the crime.

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By G.Anderson, December 26, 2010 at 6:30 pm Link to this comment

Once again GRYM the only one here that’s displaying any hate and loathing is you.

All the while you believe yourself justified in your condemnatory views, its the same
pathology of many eight wingers. 

It doesn’t matter how many people come here, or the number of people who post on
The Huffington post.

Because the truth is not a popularity contest, something you apparently have lost sight
of.

Right wingers never understand how their governmental larcenies and malfeasance
undermine civil society. In the short run, they only succeed if their opposition continues
to play by the rules. But when the other side adopts the same tactics of the ends
justifies the means, it becomes difficult for the right to justify any legal remedy. It also
means, in the long term, an end to their own political immunity from crimes against the
state.

This is what the right has done.
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By Go Right Young Man, December 26, 2010 at 5:18 pm Link to this comment

berniem, - “If you are correct, “Go Right…”, and we are only 10% of the world’s population then why haven’t the other 90% of your ilk managed to turn this world into a “conservative”....”

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I wrote nothing of Left/Right - Conservative/Liberal ideologies.  I wrote of the hate, fear and self-loathing that attracts so many to this Web space. 

This Web space draws a very specific pathology.

When one views the comments on The Huffington Post one sees several hundred, to thousands, of comments on a regular basis.  The same goes for RedState.  But on this Web space, the winner of the Webby for “political news”, the number of comments typically are in the tens. On rare occasions the number of comments reach past one-hundred. -  typically in support of Hugo Chevez, Hamas, or some form of the Heavens Gate religious group(s).

TruthDig represents an very specific, numerically insignificant, portion of the planet.  Unfortunately, however, it’s a large enough portion which perpetuate hate, fear, and self-loathing, - which, in turn, leads to so much destruction and death about the globe.

Thank goodness there are so few of you.

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By gerard, December 26, 2010 at 5:17 pm Link to this comment

Somebody help me out here?

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By gerard, December 26, 2010 at 3:37 pm Link to this comment

Between the religious dogma and the hate, fear and self loathing—apparently compassion, sanity and humor are going down the drain at Truthdig.com. I can see why most of the Holy Orders choose to remain silent!

That’s the trouble with words.  But for rare exceptions, music and the graphic arts seldom attain the depths of horror that orthodoxies treasure. Looks like it is time for some of us to lean a little heavier on the possibilities of the human dream, the human capacity, the human ethical imperatives.

Frankly, religious dogma seems to create more than its share of hate, fear and self-loathing. Evidence: religious wars, persecutions, book burnings. Why?Maybe preaching at people about sin and punishment and fear all the time? Evidence: Communion, Confession and Catharsis, Revelations, Thou Shalt Not…or Else?  Maybe threatening them with hellfire and damnation?  Maybe preventing them from exploring life for themselves because the preachers already have all the answers?

Or, if it’s not religious dogma, it’s political dogma, the punishing orthodoxies of the rich and powerful Go here! Go There!  Buy this!  Buy that! Freedom is slavery!) Or the suffocating systems of exploitation, ruining the very planet.  Or the use of imprisonment to keep people from speaking and acting in their mutual interests.

Problem for democracy:  Actually, looks like most people don’t really want to be free and equal.  Too much responsibility, have to pay attention and take action when needed.  Have to learn, and think, and love, and understand, and reach out to others. Have to decide.  It’s all just too much!

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By G.Anderson, December 26, 2010 at 3:24 pm Link to this comment

The only one hating and fearing here is you GRYM…That’s what you live for, drawing a
line in the sand, so you can enjoy making others as angry as you are.  It’s only your
loathing that’s on display here. You don’t give one dam about Mr Manning you’ve
already passd judgement on him. This is the problem with right wingers, they always
believe in their own innocence, because they believe the end justifies the means. But
when it happens to them it’s not so dam funny. When they, murder, and lie and steal,
and bribe he government, they think that should a kept secret, because again the ends
justify he means. Power is an end in itself, morality as they define it is a moving target,
they use to hide their sins from humanity.

Fortunately their are men of conscience who understand the price civilization pays when
the military does not comply witty the military code of conduct.  Or when the leadership
of a country commits criminal acts under the cover of war. These people may be
temporarily insulated by their wealth and power, from justice, that is why they fear the
truth.

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By berniem, December 26, 2010 at 2:56 pm Link to this comment

If you are correct, “Go Right…”, and we are only 10% of the world’s population then why haven’t the other 90% of your ilk managed to turn this world into a “conservative” paradise, you know, where ignorance, intolerance, superstition, bigotry, fear, and greed rule the day? Oops, I think you already have!

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By PatrickHenry, December 26, 2010 at 2:36 pm Link to this comment

Harmed the United States?  what a load of crap.

He was a private first class. pretty much the bottom of the food chain, human land mine detector.

His clearance based upon a national agency check would give him access to squat.  Who granted him access?  I hope he or she is in the cell next to Manning.

The real crimminals were his immediate NCOIC, OIC and the units security manager, where are they in all of this?

Give your neighbors kid the keys to your Ferrari and don’t be suprised what happens.

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By Fredric L. Rice, December 26, 2010 at 2:08 pm Link to this comment
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Change fucking idiots can believe in.

How is the Obama Christian terrorist regime any different from the Bush Christian terrorist regime?

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By RayLan, December 26, 2010 at 2:00 pm Link to this comment

“Hate, fear and self-loathing”
This is true - when the government abuses its own citizens depriving them of basic rights - the terrorists have won.
I don’t have to blindly defend the political administration to love myself. I don’t stupidly identify with a piece of land. I do identify with ideals of truth and justice however which the US has abandoned a long time ago.

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By Go Right Young Man, December 26, 2010 at 1:37 pm Link to this comment

Raylan,

Hate, fear and self-loathing.  It’s a deadly mix on TruthDig. The attitudes on display here is precisely why humans war against each other.

Hate, fear and self-loathing.  The root of corruption.

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By samosamo, December 26, 2010 at 1:32 pm Link to this comment

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I see it as being no other way than the military
has convicted Bradley Manning and is executing
him by slow death. Being a case of w’s ostensible
power to treat people as inhumanely as possible
because now whistleblowers are considered
terrorists of the real terrorists.

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By RayLan, December 26, 2010 at 1:12 pm Link to this comment

“He harmed the United States”
He leaked information that was accessible to a low level soldier?? which harmed US international reputation whatever was left of it. He exposed US and US ally corruption which was kept secret less for security but to pepetuate the corruption.

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By RayLan, December 26, 2010 at 12:58 pm Link to this comment

It doesn’t surprise me that due process has been violated especially with such unconstitutional laws such as the atrociously named Patriot Act.
He is held under military jurisdiction, but even then he has a right to his day in court - and SHOULD NOT BE TREATED ABUSIVELY to punish him vicariouly in the meantime - this is basic justice. But who cares about justice with all the corruption going on with these stupid immoral wars.

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By Go Right Young Man, December 26, 2010 at 8:53 am Link to this comment

Pvt. Bradley Manning.  He’s our man!

Defend the criminal - He harmed the United States.  Defend the criminal - His image represents our goals.  Defend the criminal - He aids in blaming the U.S. in all things.  Defend the criminal - He’s a hero.

Thank goodness the comments on this thread represent less than 10% of the world as a whole.  Otherwise all people, all nations, would be at war with each other.

Hate, fear and self-loathing.  It’s a deadly mix on TruthDig.

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By THE, December 26, 2010 at 2:45 am Link to this comment
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The accused may have overheard how others had already leaked low level Over Classified American Diplomatic Cables to Wikileaks either by the guilty person or persons, or by innocent people who had overheard it from others.

It could have been night time in a crowed dimly lit noisy bar while he was standing in the opposite direction, and he gave little thought of it until the next day, or perhaps it was a case of hear, see, and speak no evil at the time.

He may have overheard it on a night exercise, but the situation did not permit the opportunity for the accused to identify who responsible for the leak to Wikileaks.

The Famous Internet Hacker Adrian Lamo described his meeting with Private First Class Manning on the internet, as a simple twist of fate.

Lamo has said that he was familiar with Wikileaks before he had what he described as a chance meeting with Private First Class Manning.

The Court may ask if Lamo ever worked for Hilary Clinton either as a State Department employee, or worked for someone else who was sub contracting Adrian Lamo’s expertise to Hillary Clinton in some Secret Arrangement.

The Court may ask if Adrian Lamo initial meeting with Bradley Manning had been a planned meeting in order to set him up.

The Court may ask if Lamo had the knowledge to hack into the State Department Files either for free of charge, or to have criminal charges dropped by the Police, or for an Employer high up in the American State Department or elsewhere.

The Court may ask if the Lamo needed someone like Private First Class Bradley Manning, and whether Lamo had ever been secretly employed by Hillary Clinton, and was promised payment after Bradley Manning is pardoned by Barack Obama.

The Court may ask if Lamo had hacked into Bradley Manning’s work computer, and actually downloaded State Department Files that he leaked to Wikileaks on the orders of Hillary Clinton.

Adrian Lamo and Bradley Manning had many discussions concerning Wikileaks, where Lamo confided his onetime support for Wikileaks, and his closeness to Wikileaks.

Bradley Manning looked up to Adrian Lamo, and wanted to be accepted as an equal by falsely claiming to have made leaks to Wikileaks, because it was already common knowledge that the Cables were leaked to Wikileaks.

The Court may ask if Hillary Clinton saw the opportunity to use it to become President, by ordering Lamo to pretend to become friends with Bradley Manning, and manoeuvre the situation toward her goal.

Perhaps Bradley Manning falsely took for the leak, in order to get money from Wikileaks.

Perhaps Private First Class Bradley Manning thought that he would be offered money for a future leak, but that he would take the money, but not give anything to Wikileaks.

The accused may have taken the credit for it, with the initial lie beginning as mere booze talk, but he found it hard to admit that he lied.

The State Department needed to show that they knew what they were doing, and so Bradley Manning’s booze talk would become expedient for the time, even as the innocent Birmingham 6 were to Britain at that time.

If Manning receives a Pardon from Obama before the next Democratic Primaries, it will ensure that Hillary Clinton gains the Democratic Nomination for President.

This will have the effect of making Obama take all the blame for the Cablegate Scandal, and it will make the once disaffected liberals come and vote for the American Democrats at the next election, after Manning is free.

Any statements that are not extracted from Bradley Manning by means of torture may show that he is American Patriot, and an American Hero.

This is why they are persecuting Private First Class Bradley Manning, and detaining him under torturous conditions in a Prison, to make him say what President Hillary Clinton wants him to say.

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By G.Anderson, December 26, 2010 at 2:28 am Link to this comment

Since he’s in jail it’s difficult to arrange a light plane crash, the plutocracies preferred
mode of disposal when someone gets in the way. They’ll just have to settle for a messy
death by health decline this time. Too many loose ends, but it still gets the job done.

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By SteveL, December 25, 2010 at 11:47 pm Link to this comment

Consider that Obama and Biden both taught constitutional law.

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By gerard, December 25, 2010 at 10:16 pm Link to this comment

Business as usual for this corrupt government that can’t stand the light of day! No doubt the intention is to wear Manning down so he will say anything to get the torture stopped, thus implicating Assange so that legalities can be twisted some more in order to extradite Assange.  How can any true believer of the American Constitution stand such injustices?  Guilty even before being charged?  And kept in solitary for months? This is a Gulag situation and people should be protesting all over the net and in the press.  I wrote my local paper.  Did they print the letter?  NO!  in spite of the fact that they know me and have printed a number of others. Many people will have to stand up immediately before this young hero’s life is utterly ruined.  Assange, thank goodness, has powerful friends.  But this kid?  Where are the heroes and the rich men and women to help him?  What a way for the country to start the New Year, persecuting people not proven guilty of any crime!

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By daveinboca, December 25, 2010 at 9:54 pm Link to this comment
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Oh Dear, this Pvt First Class demoted for attacking an officer still had access to
classifed diplomatic correspondence, so he broke the law and copied and
disseminated it with the result that hundreds of confidential sources are
jeopardized, as well as Afghan collaborators with the NATO troops.

He should rot in jail until the wheels of justice get around to checking out each
and every classified message for treasonous content if shared with a foreigner.

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By omygodnotagain, December 25, 2010 at 8:52 pm Link to this comment

What happened to the America, Mankind’s Last Best Hope, we are distracted by bullshit like Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, while what we really stand for and the rights this country was founded on are being washed away.

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By Queenie, December 25, 2010 at 8:29 pm Link to this comment

Words fail. There are no words to describe the monster that Obysmal has become. He is worse than “W”. How can he look himself in the mirror? Bradley Manning is being tortured for what? What are the charges? Where is his day in court?
Innocent until proven guilty? Don’t make me laugh. Not in this country. Pathetic. Is this the way of life we want for our children and grandkids? To live in fear that at anytime for whatever reason they could be isolated from society WITH NO CHARGES BROUGHT until dead or insane?

Manchurian Candidate? Hunting trip with Cheney? How can such a decent seeming person that ran for President become the monster he now is?

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By Conden, December 25, 2010 at 7:32 pm Link to this comment

Well, obviously repealing “don’t ask don’t tell” hasn’t kept the pentagon from torturing gay soldier Bradley Manning.  He is a hero; he should be free right now; while warmongering murderous right wing elites like the bushes, clintons, and obama should be in jail.

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By berniem, December 25, 2010 at 4:48 pm Link to this comment

Ah, America!!! The rule of law! Truth and justice! The shining beacon of liberty! What a bunch of S—T! This sad excuse for a democracy is nothing more than a brutal and belligerent empire bent on imposing it’s will and corrupt and greedy economic system on the rest of the world and will go to any lengths to do so! Hey Mr. POTUS, you of change we can believe in and transparency and all the other lies you spouted to get yourself elected, what about HABEAS CORPUS, innocent until proven guilty, justice delayed is justice denied, and “we don’t torture anymore”; maybe the dolt from S.C., you thet Wilson cracker, maybe he was on to something with that “you lie!” crack. All I can say is that all of you that miss ol’ “W” needn’t worry ‘cause Barry has picked up the mantel and donned it proudly! FREE BRADLEY MANNING NOW!!!!!!!

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