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WikiLeaks Outs U.S. Diplomats’ Saucy Secrets

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Posted on Nov 28, 2010
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And they’ve done it again. According to diplomatic cables obtained and leaked by the whistle-blowers extraordinaire, the king of Saudi Arabia asked the U.S. to attack Iran, Hillary Clinton instructed her diplomats to spy on U.N. leaders and others, Vladimir Putin is deeply involved with the Russian mafia, military leaders lack confidence in the war in Afghanistan, Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal and unstable state are as worrying as they seem and a rogue shipment of nuclear material nearly caused an “environmental disaster” last year.

These are just some of the initial revelations. More are promised.

If you want to read about Moammar Gadhafi’s voluptuous Ukrainian nurse, you’re going to have to go straight to the source.

The Guardian:

The United States was catapulted into a worldwide diplomatic crisis today, with the leaking to the Guardian and other international media of more than 250,000 classified cables from its embassies, many sent as recently as February this year.

At the start of a series of daily extracts from the US embassy cables – many designated “secret” – the Guardian can disclose that Arab leaders are privately urging an air strike on Iran and that US officials have been instructed to spy on the UN leadership.

These two revelations alone would be likely to reverberate around the world. But the secret dispatches, which were obtained by WikiLeaks, the whistleblowers’ website, also reveal Washington’s evaluation of many other highly sensitive international issues.

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By glider, December 1, 2010 at 3:00 am Link to this comment

When you have thousands of pages of low level classified documents released it is obvious that government agents will seek to focus the public’s eyes upon the fluff within such a release and away from the critical bits.  They will further seek to discredit and attack the messenger.  This is being played out in real time now.

ITW (aka WTF!),
” Were there codes to taking control of Predators?  Were there keys to diplomatic codes? Were there lists of undercover agents or their contacts? Was there ANY information that actually isn’t easily inferred? If not, then there was no import to these documents. “

That some crazy ass “logic” ITW!!  Why would Predator drone codes be in diplomatic communications? Furthermore, these are lower level classified documents and Wikileaks and the media outlets have said that any information that would endanger lives would be redacted. And yes there is plenty of information not easily inferred if you do not play your “focus on the fluff” game.  Beyond compulsive paranoia and “smell tests” what shred of evidence do you have that WikiLeaks is an American Counter Intel Operation?

To Patrick Henry:
Cocktail parties?  So what?

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By ApprxAm, December 1, 2010 at 2:28 am Link to this comment

SO far nothing too shocking.

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By PatrickHenry, November 30, 2010 at 8:33 pm Link to this comment

glider

Day to day disclosure of confidential diplomatic information is no more than the next cocktail party away.

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By Marshall, November 30, 2010 at 7:31 pm Link to this comment

To those who think WL is a US govt. conspiracy; how do you explain the numerous
corporate and foreign govts. leaks that appear there?  Russia, for example, is
about to suffer another similar expose of its own secret internal documents.  Are
these all orchestrated by the US state dept?  As well the leaks that do harm to the
US or paint our govt. in an unfavorable light?

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By ardee, November 30, 2010 at 4:55 pm Link to this comment

So far, and Ive not waded through all the information as yet ( nor will ever probably) the expediting of the movements of those Turkish terrorists across borders seems the most explosive.

Our terrorists are freedom fighters, yours aint!

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By Inherit The Wind, November 30, 2010 at 4:42 pm Link to this comment

Were there codes to taking control of Predators?  Were there keys to diplomatic codes? Were there lists of undercover agents or their contacts?

Was there ANY information that actually isn’t easily inferred?

If not, then there was no import to these documents.

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By garth, November 30, 2010 at 3:10 pm Link to this comment

truedigger3, November 30 at 7:17 pm Link to this comment


Re: By glider, November 30 at 6:56 am

glider wrote:

“Why does Julian Assange pass my sniff test with flying colors?  He is being accused and investigated for “rape” shortly”
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So, Assange was accused of rape.! So what? Is he in jail?  Was he tried, convicted and sentenced??!!
This rape charge is there to make this charade looks real! That is what is usually called “chicken feed”.!
What “leaks”?! Most of them are trivial and already known stories! Kudafi is inffatuated with a blone beautiful Polish nurse?  Bersliscuni is a “clown”!! So what! Is that big “bleaping” deal?
A SPECIAL attention and COTINUOUS commentary are given by “pundits” to those “leaks”  about how “dangerous” Iran is and how it is “hated” by its Arab neighbours who want Iran to be attacked?? No mention of Israel who is the most vocal voice asking for attacking Iran??!!

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truedigger3,

I might have lashed out at you before and I have tried to insult you in the past, but it was all in desperation.

You have it nailed here.  I salute your consistent stances and I have learned from your informed viewpoint.

I apologize.

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By truedigger3, November 30, 2010 at 2:17 pm Link to this comment

Re: By glider, November 30 at 6:56 am

glider wrote:

“Why does Julian Assange pass my sniff test with flying colors?  He is being accused and investigated for “rape” shortly”
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So, Assange was accused of rape.! So what? Is he in jail?  Was he tried, convicted and sentenced??!!
This rape charge is there to make this charade looks real! That is what is usually called “chicken feed”.!
What “leaks”?! Most of them are trivial and already known stories! Kudafi is inffatuated with a blone beautiful Polish nurse?  Bersliscuni is a “clown”!! So what! Is that big “bleaping” deal?
A SPECIAL attention and COTINUOUS commentary are given by “pundits” to those “leaks”  about how “dangerous” Iran is and how it is “hated” by its Arab neighbours who want Iran to be attacked?? No mention of Israel who is the most vocal voice asking for attacking Iran??!!

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By garth, November 30, 2010 at 1:05 pm Link to this comment

As is usual, Noam Chomsky set straight the focal point of these first few WikiLeak releases.

He said that the American Diplomatic corps echoes the sentiment of the few brutal dictators of the mid-eastern Arabic nation.  They don’t even take into account the people, the inhabitants of those countries. 

Polls have shown that about 80% of the people in these Arabic nations are against the US intrusion.  Yet, the diplomatic corps chooses to cite the feelings of a the brutal dictators.

In short, they ignore Democracy, and go with the brutal dictators that they have propped up. 

Mubarak comes to mind.  He won the election by 99%.  Something should go off in somebody’s head. No one wins by 99% of the vote.

Remember, Chomsky pointed to the same double-talk during the Bush Administration.  Rumsfeld and Cheney were touting the ‘new Europe.’  Those were the Balkan states that went along by dictat about everything the US said about Terrorism.

The old Europe listened to its peoples, Spain’s, France’s and Germany’s and they said not so fast in this reacrion to the 9/11 schtick.

Spain threw out its leader in the following election for backing Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Bush.

It’s no longer a fight for Capitalism against Communism.  Nor is it a fight of ideologue against ideologue.  It comes down to a fight that is best labelled in the title of Chomsky’s book, “Hegemony or Survival.”

Stop, listen, and read some of Chomsky’s works.  Find out what talking can do.

BTW:  I think Chomsky would agree with samasamo’s accessment.

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By glider, November 30, 2010 at 11:23 am Link to this comment

Inherit the Wind
“What I was amazed by is…there’s nothing amazing here, so far”

Just why would you trust the MSM to sift through thousands of pages of releases effectively?  Obviously, there will be a lot of useless gossip in such data, and obviously the corporate MSM will be near useless in analyzing such data.  The spying on the U.N. officials is the most interesting bit published yet glossed over.  Why do you think they want DNA samples?  I will hazard a guess.  If you want to extort or neutralize an official, to say start another illegal war, it may be useful to have information suggesting they are prone to depression, alcoholism, or schizophrenia, or have some other frailty to exploit however illegal.  Then you may exert influence to effect illegitimate outcomes to your benefit while all the while claiming it is an internationally supported outcome.  Government agents are focusing on the fluff of the releases in order to avoid discourse on their criminal activities.  Where is the follow-up?  Where is the accountability of this criminal government/empire? 

Why are there so many on this thread aiding and abetting them with absurd counter-counter-counter intel accusations of the Wikileaks Angel?  I do not trust a single one on them!

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By glider, November 30, 2010 at 10:29 am Link to this comment

Patrick Henry
“Granted some of the day to day gossip may be true to give these leaks some veracity, but I question why many were classified in the 1st place”

Are you an idiot? Being low grade classified is the default classification for such diplomatic communications.  The standard PR response in the media is the leaks are nothing new while speaking out the side of their mouths that WikiLeaks is endangering lives.  What absurd B.S.. I think it is news in that it is the release of actual data.  Notice how very little demand is being made of Hillary and the Government to account for their outrageous behaviour in their illegal spying on U.N. leaders.  Just why is the U.S. seeking DNA samples and other personal information about these officials.  Oh, of course, nothing new here, same old same old, except they are endangering the whole international community.  Hillary, what a disgusting douch-bag!

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By par4, November 30, 2010 at 9:31 am Link to this comment
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I’m questioning the ulterior motives of the comment editor of this post. It reads like the lunatics have taken over the asylum.

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By samosamo, November 30, 2010 at 6:22 am Link to this comment

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This may be what wikileaks is really about, what
the role of the free press is and I am assuming it
is nothing to do with the worthless msm but with
those remaining true journalists or procurers of
information that reveals the criminal element in
our government and all its subsidiaries or is that
our corporate run country and ITS subsidiaries.
The only reason I see people in the united
corporate states being so outraged is because so
many of them will see their name in the light of
day that reveals the shady dealings and criminal
behavior they do.

Whether it is an ruse to take more of our rights
away or something for the ‘leaders’ to investigate
because they don’t want discovery focusing in on
them is hard to tell right now.

What I have heard of this recent batch it that so
far there ain’t much in it of revealing much at all,
but I haven’t dwelt on the act of trying to read all
of it either and won’t.

From UStoday:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/201
0-11-30-insidewiki30_ST_N.htm

You can bet congress will use this ghost war on
terror to ‘weigh’ the roll of what is being called
the free press and then we will all have to have
permission from the cock sucking leaders to
speak or just say ‘good morning’.

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By glider, November 30, 2010 at 1:56 am Link to this comment

“Assange simply does NOT pass the ‘sniff’ test”

Anyone who makes this claim does not pass my sniff test.  If I am going to be paranoid I will be so thinking there may be false government sponsored posts to discredit Wikileaks or just plain kooks out there.

Why does Julian Assange pass my sniff test with flying colors?  He is being accused and investigated for “rape” shortly and coincidently have revealing video showing rampant murder and atrocity being perpetrated by American troops in Iraq. Hardly the sort of story our government wants to promote IMO.  The sex charges the preferred tool of the powerful for neutralizing true do gooders such as Assange, Spitzer, and Scott Ritter.

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By omop, November 29, 2010 at 8:57 pm Link to this comment

The three probable sources for all this Wikileaks stuff:-

  Hiilary’s Department; the CIA; AIPAC.

  As Shultsie would say, “I know nothing”.

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By kerryrose, November 29, 2010 at 8:25 pm Link to this comment

Diplomats are not spies.  That is why the FBI is used undercover.

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By PatrickHenry, November 29, 2010 at 8:06 pm Link to this comment

This whole thing stinks of a disinformation snow job.

Granted some of the day to day gossip may be true to give these leaks some veracity, but I question why many were classified in the 1st place.

Osama bin Laden? get real.

Qui Bono?  Israel of course.

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By garth, November 29, 2010 at 5:36 pm Link to this comment

ITW:

“I’ve been saying that Israel and Iran, with vast numbers of Sunni Arabic speakers between them, who detest both, make them natural allies.  So who’s surprised?”

Can I take that as gospel truth?

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Pardon the slip.  I just reminded myself of the John Foster Dulles quote in 1956 when he said to the American press about the Arab-Israeli war, “Why can’t we all just sit down and talk this over like good Christians.”  I think that is a quote.

Needless to say, I agree with your points.  If a young American graduate of the Fletcher School of Diplomacy at Tufts or a graduate of Georgetown, the hive of all this all this mumble-jumble, and couldn’t read a person, then he or she should be selling phones for Verizon.

This first wave just tittles.  She said, he said.  Are we supposed to say, “WOW”?

Apparently, dealing with my neighbors in a crowded sub-section of a calamitous community takes more skill than any of these bozos and bozafinas have shown.

Jack Welch, of the GE 100 Sharks fame, had one good idea that could be applied to the foreign service.  Send each one of of these inflated egos to a foreign country with nothing, and tell them to make it on their own. Give ‘em a number to call if they quit. That’s all.

Manfred Max Neef said something similar, but he was talking about economics. 

We send book-learned children, mainly from Christian backgrounds in mid-Atlantic states and we think of them dancing around the tribal fires somewhere and eating pigs’s gullets or whatever it is and gaining their confidence.

The whole story of Margaret Mead was just that, a story.  The indigenous people were ‘fuckin’ around with her.  It was all bullshit.  The Irish know this ploy, too.

Like mi’ dad tole me, “Don’t ever tell anyone the truth.”

He knew it with a 3rd grade education.  Why don’t they know it at Tufts, Georgetown, Harvard, and Yale.

Why don’t we know it.

Psychology 101:

Who can identify a lie better?  One who has been told the truth or one who has been lied to consistently.

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By Blackspeare, November 29, 2010 at 5:25 pm Link to this comment

I don’t know why the Somali kid item is doing in this thread, but let me add my two cents.  This is an obvious case of entrapment.  The FBI is rife with agents with little to do so they play a game of entrapment with those who are so inclined and of limited intelligence.  Without the resources the FBI supplied this kid wouldn’t have known a bomb from his rear-end.

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By garth, November 29, 2010 at 4:36 pm Link to this comment

Now we learn from the Thom Hartmann show that this Somali lad in Portland, OR is a 17 year-old, and one of 10,000 Somali living there. 

Not only that, his father turned him in to the FBI two years ago when he thought the boy was out-of-control (my guess) and he was headed in the wrong direction.  But he turned him in to the FBI.  A common thing to do, I guess.

(When I was 17, my older brothers would’ve taken me in a room and given me some wall-to-wall conselling.) 

The FBI and the Portland Police, according to their statements, let this plot play out till the last moment, icluding providing him with a ‘fake’ bomb and giving him access to the car.

My query:  Doesn’t this sound like show for news’s sake?  Couldn’t the FBI have called the young Somali in and told him that in the US this is a big No-No?

They are building on the framework that everything changed since 9/11.  I

It hasn’t really changed; it accelerated.

We are now on the fast track to Fascism. 

Jobs will be strictly defined into 10 or 12 categories. Oer 50s will be Shit out of luck (SOL).  Unions will be banned.  The media will give the same old same old: How to lose weight.  How to get into the best college.  How to make a paella.

Life will be good.

“But, Sir.  Will they be good masters?”

“Yes, Frances.  They will be good masters.  They will make us safe.”

“But Jascocks, feels safe already.”

“He doesn’t know, yet, my son, he doesn’t know.”

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By truedigger3, November 29 at 2:27 pm Link to this comment

‘In my humble opinion, . . .  there is a PRIME “leaker” behind all this.
All in all I think it is a big CON job by the State Dept.’

Well finally we have some REAL’TRANSPARENCY’.  Wasn’t that another campaign promise besides all that hopeless ‘hope’.  “YES we canNOT” !

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By Inherit The Wind, November 29, 2010 at 3:34 pm Link to this comment

What I was amazed by is…there’s nothing amazing here, so far.

So they think Berlusconi is an egotistical loud-mouth and incompetent. This is news?
They think Sarkoczy is an egotistical martinet.  This is news?
Karzai’s friends are robbing Afghanistan of $$$ we send them.
This is news?
Qaddaffi is a hypocrite pretending to be super-religious while he’s got the hots for his stacked Ukrainian blond nurse. This is news?

So assessments of foreign leaders is harsh, uncomplimentary and not diplomatic speak. This is news?
Diplomats are fronts from spying. This is news?

What we are seeing is the typical traffic between diplomats and Washington.  They are candid and say NOTHING that anyone with half a brain can’t figure out from the news.  In diplomacy, everyone spies on everyone.  The Brits were “shocked” to learn the US was spying on them…Why? They are spying on us!

So we learn that Sunni, Arabic-speaking Saudi Arabis hates Shi’ia, Farsi-speaking Iran.  This is news?  I’ve been saying that Israel and Iran, with vast numbers of Sunni Arabic speakers between them, who detest both, make them natural allies.  So who’s surprised?

Read Sun-Tzu’s “The Art of War”.  After reading, it’s clear there’s nothing new here.

Notice,though, they didn’t publish the codes needed to take control of Predators while they are flying.  They didn’t publish names of undercover agents.

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By NYCartist, November 29, 2010 at 3:10 pm Link to this comment

Excellent show on DemocracyNow (including Daniel Ellsberg) this morning on the WikiLeaks http://www.democracynow.org

If you want it in fiction form: When I read the novels of W.T.Tyler, the pseudonym of Samuel J. Hemrick, a foreign service officer who served in U.S. Embassies in Lebanon, Ethiopia, Congo and Somalia, I wondered because it sounded very authentic.  Good reads.  He died on Feb. 29, 2008 and the N.Y.Times has an obit that can be easily googled.

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By garth, November 29, 2010 at 3:09 pm Link to this comment

Mr Kerry, Democratic Senator from Massachusetts spoke out against the WikiLeaks, clearly.

Let me tell you something that raises my suspicion about Mr Kerry.

After the 2008 election, I went to Mr. Kerry’s website and told him in a Comment section how I was denied a vote. (They lost my registration along with half the constituents.)

When the the addressee’s info came up in a drop-down menu.  You know, Mr. Mrs. etc.  One of the options was, ‘Commander’.

I thought that since this limp-wristed SOB was once in the Navy, he might respond if I chose, ‘Commander.’

A few weeks later I got a mailer in plain white paper, folded and stapled that asked if I were against the criminal takeover by the Las Vegas Mob of something or other. 

And if I were, then I should sign this sheet of paper and mail it to Senator Kennedy.  And then came the giveaway.  It added as an afterthought that I might as well return it to Senator Kerry’s office as well.

As well.  That was the giveaway. 

Kennedy’s aids would look at it for a second and then toss it in the trash. 

The ones in Kerry’s office were looking for it.

To them it would be like my key of initiation into their “Playboy Club’.  I could hear it now among the Yale Skull & Bones freaks who fill Kerry’s office, “Bingo! We’ve got a winner, here.”  This guy is a real dope.  Let’s pursue it.

I showed the paper to my wife and threw it in the trash.

[In the meantime, the Apaches have quieted a bit about their demand for Geronimo’s skull (Skull & Bones).  Methinks it’s because one of their own, ‘W’ has attained the skull of Saddam Hussein. 

Look up the strange situation surrounding Hussein’s hanging.]

(As an aside, I wonder what they did with the flesh of Saddam Hussein’s head?  Did they eat it in a mock turtle soup?  After that Barbara Bush story with W’s baby sister in a jar of formaldehyde, I wouldn’t doubt it.)

Folks, we got real problems here. Not the kind one should ignore. 

The Bush’s might wind up like Nicolae and Elena Ceau?escu of Romania.  We might wind up like 14th century serfs.

But back to the Bush’s and their influence on American Fascism: When you are a killer, you gotta always check your back.  Ya never know.

Brian Williams, et al won’t provide much cover.

Wouldn’t it be nice if W, HW, Barbara and Jeb were all hanging upside down?

And that would be the start.

Remember, church is only seven days away.  Forgiveness is, at most, a week away.


Who luvsya baby?

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By M L, November 29, 2010 at 2:45 pm Link to this comment
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Secrecy cloaks the infectious madness that causes people to participate in their own destruction

Earl Shorris,
Scenes rom Corporate Life

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By mack894, November 29, 2010 at 2:23 pm Link to this comment

I think the most revealing aspect of these leaks is that they invite comparisons
between Bush and Obama administrations.  With regard to Obama, we are in a
“change you can believe in and departure from business as usual” administration. 
But are we really?  Hillary Clinton orders spying on U.N. delegates.  I would have
thought that order would come from the Bush administration.

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By Blackspeare, November 29, 2010 at 2:01 pm Link to this comment

I should go on to say that the WikiLeaks documents are all labeled “Secret” the lowest classification of sensitivity so all the political ramblings of people lives put at risk is only so much verbosity.  It’s more of a case of gossip and embarrassment than anything else——I can assure you that the Saudi King and the Iranian president never liked each other and wished each other dead——it’s the Islamic way.

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By Blackspeare, November 29, 2010 at 1:21 pm Link to this comment

The American government is consumed by classification. Hundreds of thousands of government documents are marked confidential, secret, top secret or SCI (Sensitive Compartmentalized Information) every year, including everything from decades-old historical documents to ones other agencies have already declassified. The more government declares everything secret, the less secure the actual secrets are. The lack of credibility and loss of respect for the Government system of secrecy, born in part through over-classification and too much complexity continues the well-known phenomenon of self-perpetuating bureaucracy.

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By monthofsundays, November 29, 2010 at 1:10 pm Link to this comment

This is just the beginning of what I hope will be an extensive process but already the reaction has been even more revealing than the documents:

** the despiritingly shrill and intemperate response from politicians around the world—entirely unaccomstomed as they are to de facto accountability.

** the indecent enthusiasm with which even the laziest hacks have taken a turn at opining their ill-informed point of view—unaccustomed as they are to what journalism looks like.

My advice: read what interests you in the documents that are being published. As for the rest: mind the hype whatever the stripe.

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By Jimmy, November 29, 2010 at 1:08 pm Link to this comment
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This is just the beginning of what I hope will be an extensive process but it has been both edifying the reaction:

** the despiritingly shrill and intemperate response from politicians around the world—entirely unaccomstomed as they are to de facto accountability.

** the indecent enthusiasm with which even the laziest hacks have taken a turn at opining their ill-informed point of view—unaccustomed as they are to what journalism looks like.

My advice: read what interests you in the documents that are being published. As for the rest: mind the hype whatever the stripe.

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By garth, November 29, 2010 at 1:01 pm Link to this comment

I want to see if something actually changes as a result of these leaks. 

Matt Taibbi points out in his book about the Wall Street grifters that we are irrelevant to their decisions and what they do.

And it has been pointed out that these revelations are meant for the US people.  I think foreign Diplomats, if they have any smarts at all, can tell what the graduates of the US Schools of Diplomacy like Tufts’s and Georgetown’s are thinking. 

I venture to guess not much, not much thinking going there at all.  A lot of conniving, but little thinking.

I think the same might be true in our equivalent of the Führer’ bunker here.  The plan is underway.  They’ve got their marching orders.

On the Bright Side:

If it leads to a massive collapse of the US military’s influence in the world, then Assange ought to be Sainted by the Religion of the People of the World.

On a C-SPAN show this week-end, a Robotics expert from Europe was asked by an American, “What do we do if they take over the control of our drones and use them on us?”  The European Robotics expert said, “Stop using them.”

If ever a juggernaut deserved a comeuppance, if ever their were a candidate for getting its just-desserts, it’s the US military and the distorted minds that drive it.

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By omop, November 29, 2010 at 11:51 am Link to this comment

skulz fontaine.

  Emulating Shakespeare’s “the world is a stage etc,. etc,”.  sf said it all.

  Just learned that Portland Oregon is home to over 10,000 Somalis.many of whom
used to be pirates.

  Is this like living in a Marvel comic book or what?

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By Egomet Bonmot, November 29, 2010 at 11:48 am Link to this comment

Some kind of headfake going on here.  These “dangerous, embarrassing revelations”
sound crafted the State Department itself, to what purpose I can’t imagine. 

Not since McChrystal and “Senator Bite-Me” have I heard such an Easy-Bake story.

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By Jim Yell, November 29, 2010 at 11:25 am Link to this comment
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What a lot of hot air. I just watched for as long as I could broadcaster hyperventilating about the leak. Now everyone knows America is spying on them! Of for crying out load! We spy on them, they spy on us. Our allies spy on us and always have and we spy on them and always have. Big Deal.

Frankly I think it would be nice if they had to practice their incompetence in the open for a change and not sneak about creating excuses for their dastardly deeds. There are very few cases that actually require secrets and most of what they hide is to hide what a bunch of worthless farts they are.

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By Géza Éder, November 29, 2010 at 11:12 am Link to this comment

The US is the main focus because it’s the most powerful country on Earth, the current centre of Western civilisation and power, waging two illegal wars, fucking up the world economy and so on.  Maybe it’s “pro-American” to pretend otherwise, I have no idea.

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By Alan MacDonald, November 29, 2010 at 11:12 am Link to this comment

The issue is not one of \“State Secrets\” being disclosed to foreign governments, but the far bigger problem of \“EMPIRE secrets\” being clearly seen by Americans at home.

It seems to me that all the tremendous angst, consternation, and difficulty of the US in messaging, dealing and explaining what is coming out from Wikileaks really does not have anything to do concerns about the normal \“roughness’, candor, or embarrassment of explaining the supposed foreign ‘damage’ of how normal diplomacy works, but rather the shock of American citizens at home seeing how an EMPIRE conducts global policy.

If the leaked information contains what I strongly think that it will clearly reveal, the real danger that ‘our’ (sic) government is fearing is that of how average American citizens will react to seeing that their own supposed government is acting like an EMPIRE with the rest of the world——and that the American people will realize that they have been being lied to for decades, and that their government, far from acting like a normal democracy (or democratic republic) has been acting like an Empire and IS an Empire.

That’s the real threat that has all of the politicians from both ‘Vichy’ parties, and their professional bureaucratic and technocratic underlings, and more importantly the ruling-elite of this previously well hidden global corporate/financial/militarist EMPIRE posing as the nation called America nervous as bankers in church——that the people will now see them as phonies, shills, pimps, and treasonous slugs for an Empire whose disguise is now coming off.

Alan MacDonald

Sanford, Maine

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By pheldespat, November 29, 2010 at 10:11 am Link to this comment
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@FiftyGigs:

1) I don’t really understand what you are trying to imply here.

2) The TSA “bash-fest” is a domestic affair. Wikileaks had nothing to do with it.

3) The military didn’t steal documents. Allegedly, one single member of the military leaked the documents. You can be sure that there was and there is plenty of discussion about the meaning of this problem.

4) Nobody said that adding a “secret” label to a document was evil. The evilness lies in that some of these documents reveal spying on UN members, on the UN Secretary General, pressure and “recommendations” on how other nations must act… Things like that. Wikileaks documents are edited precisely to avoid revealing the identities of some of the people mentioned. There’s not evil in that. Even the New York Times asked The USG first before publishing the documents and made some further edits according to USG recommendations.

5) The life and security of those working in sensible operations in the Middle-East is not in the hands of Wikileaks.

6) Well, how would you describe them? Gadfly? Traitors? Some journalists have called them that. But why would we accept their pre-determined, negative propaganda?

7) We have been getting more documents from the US because there have been more US whistle-blowers. However, there have been leaks that reveal the dirty laundry of other countries, including China. Even this last batch reveals that China and other countries are no angels.

8) The Department of State has been working on similar terms as the current ones for quite some time, as the leaks reveal, so it’s not a matter of who the SoE, the President or the chief of the CIA/FBI is: It’s a matter of a decades-long USG way of doing things.

Wikileaks has revealed secrets from several countries and corporations so far, and I guess they’ll reveal more secrets from more countries in the future. Perhaps it’s worth noticing that they aren’t the only ones in the leak business. There’s also Cryptome.org, at least, and I heard that a new leak site is being planned by some ex-Wikileakers.

“If you have something that you don’t want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn’t be doing it in the first place.”—Eric Schimdt, CEO & Chairman of Google Inc.

“The diffusion of information and the arraignment of all abuses at the bar of public reason, I deem [one of] the essential principles of our government, and consequently [one of] those which ought to shape its administration.”—Thomas Jefferson: 1st Inaugural Address

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By truedigger3, November 29, 2010 at 9:27 am Link to this comment

In my humble opinion, these “Leaks” and its “Leakers” don’t pass the sniff test, and there is a PRIME “leaker” behind all that?????
Some of the “leaks” are already known, some are, it seems might be fabricated, and some REAL juicy “leaks” are NOT there and some are beneficial “leaks” to the PRIME “leakers”.
All in all I think it is a big CON job by the State Dept.

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By FiftyGigs, November 29, 2010 at 8:45 am Link to this comment

Right on cue, a new controversy, and one especially taylored for the anti-american progressive to really let loose.

Before the banal venting, a few questions:

1) Who are we to blame for taking BP and the Gulf off the front page? Obama? Really?

2) Are we done with the TSA? That was last week’s anti-american bashfest, right?

3) Okay, so State Department documents are stolen by the military and turned over to foreign nationals, and nobody is going to discuss the meaning of that. Why?

4) The government can slap a “Secret” label on paper and that’s evil, but Julian can redact (i.e. censor) the documents, and that’s okay because he’s “open”?

5) If you were working a life-threatening task in the Middle East, wouldn’t you be comforted to know that your identity, your safety, your life was now in the hands of some kid at something called WikiLeaks?

6) The press is characterizing WikiLeaks as a “whistle-blowing website”. This positive connotation has been pre-determined by the press, so why are we happy to be fed the propaganda we want to hear?

7) Given 6, the release of US State Department documents means the US government is rife with criminal activity, as proven by the release to the public of thousand of documents. Since WikiLeaks is revealing no documents from China, then we must assume that China is a pristine wonderland of idyllic government lawfulness, right?

8) Since this is the way your precious Hiliary runs the State Department, are you ready now to thank us for nominating Obama?

In all seriousness, I’d like to commend the previous commentators who realize that nothing good will come of this. WikiLeaks will likely be seminal in the future suppression of information and the spread of conservative authority.

Eight years of Bush, of truly criminal activity, and where was WikiLeaks? Isn’t anyone suspicious of the agenda here?

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By kerryrose, November 29, 2010 at 7:00 am Link to this comment

What no one knows or talks about it:

The ‘diplomats’ that spy on UN officials (mainly foreign diplomats) are in reality undercover FBI agents.  This has been going on for 15years at least.

I know because my brother worked undercover at the UN years ago.  He passed himself off as a diplomat, changed his name and the name of his children and wife, too.  We were not allowed to contact or visit him.  He would have foreign diplomats to his home for dinners and meeting.  One of the other agents committed suicide because the stress was so bad.  They hadn’t been trained for this sort of undercover work.  After that they sent my brother to work a the CIA.  FBI at the CIA?  We don’t know the half of it.

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By markulyseas, November 29, 2010 at 1:46 am Link to this comment

Diplomacy and spying are two sides of the same coin so the messages sent by embassies abroad is no surprise…

The media has always taken sides and has in most cases worked for the agendas of the rich and powerful.

Wikileaks could be unwittingly promoting the interests of the people behind the leaks who wish to create a Brave New World sans the USA.

Only a nice little war could unite and distract all…e.g. the Koreas in a fratricide?

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By skulz fontaine, November 29, 2010 at 1:08 am Link to this comment

Wikileaks does not much more than highlight the utter inane arrogance of US
diplomacy. Well, and US diplomats en masse.
Our State Department still maintains the “ugly American’ motif and done is done.
Given the hype that this “Wikileaks” disclosure received, seems much ado about
nothing.
Still, there is something curiously suspicious about Julian Assange and Wikileaks.
Assange simply does NOT pass the ‘sniff’ test. Hmmm, maybe like the Daily Kos,
Assange is just another CIA puppet. Could be you know…

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