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Why Are Police Treating Protesters Like Terrorists?Posted on Nov 8, 2011
From Zuccotti Park to Nashville, counterterrorism cops and homeland security officials are spying on and intimidating Occupy protesters. It may have something to do with the way the Patriot Act can be read to classify civil disobedience as domestic terrorism. —PZS
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By drbhelthi, November 11, 2011 at 5:41 am Link to this comment
@ Lockwood
What are you trying to do, be realistic ?
The idea may be more valuable than just as a pun - - -
@ Michael Shaw
Report thisThe results of “Barack H. Obama” will not end tomorrow.
This link explains the basics.
http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=8252175042329977626#
By Michael Shaw, November 10, 2011 at 1:57 pm Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)
Obama version….As I recall the patriot act was written into law by George W. Bush after the cowards in congress nearly unanimously voted for it without even reading it and after those anthrax attacks that are still a mystery. The reason I know this is because I lobbied congress with the ACLU in 2003 against these unconstitutional elements. Granted Obama isn’t doing a damn thing about it and yes in some cases actually enhanced it with his assassination powers and extending it. That said, the Patriot Act itself belongs solely to George W Bush, Dick Chaney, Paul Wolfowitz and the other neocons who couldn’t wait to establish The Project for a New American Century. Obama’s complicity begins and ends with the vast corporate finance he receives from all these defense contractors and security firms who rake in billions in our tax dollars every year to “keep us safe!” My point is if anyone wishes to point the nazi finger they ought to be aiming that at Wall Street and the MIC who have completely corrupted and bought wholesale the political system in this country.
Report thisBy scotttpot, November 10, 2011 at 1:03 pm Link to this comment
Why weren*t the violent protests over JoePa at Penn State treated like terrorists?
Report thisBy Lockweed, November 10, 2011 at 12:47 pm Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)
Maybe the Arabs should ask NATO to bomb America in order to “protect” the
Report thisAmerican civilians. Just like they bombed Libya to “protect” its civillians.
By ElkoJohn, November 10, 2011 at 11:27 am Link to this comment
El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz (Malcolm X) said there are two kinds
Report thisof slaves: the house slave, who does the master’s bidding,
and the field slave who causes trouble.
By berniem, November 10, 2011 at 11:27 am Link to this comment
Cmon! Haven’t Ya figuered out what “serve and protect” actually refers to?
Report thisBy RayLan, November 10, 2011 at 6:29 am Link to this comment
Ah yes - the corporate police state- Orwell’s 2011
Report thisAt least now it is graphically obvious
By vajoiner, November 10, 2011 at 5:55 am Link to this comment
the job of the overseer is to maintain control of the slaves for the upper class. always has been. oh im sorry, did you think you were an exception?
Report thisBy drbhelthi, November 10, 2011 at 5:55 am Link to this comment
Some Gestapo-types among the police are treating protesters as is mandated by the
Obama version of the (NAZI) Patriot Act, and Napolitano´s application of the Act, as
demonstrated by the illegal activities of the TSA. The intensity of mistreatment of
protesters, by the NAZI-type goons among the police, reflects the extent to which
their leadership subscribes to and identifies with the nazification of the U.S.A., as
mandated by the Obama version of the Patriot Act.
The concept of Mr. Obama wanting a fresh start in the POTUS “slot,” is about as valid
as the re-packaging of stale meat with a falsified expiration date. He has done what
the Zionist machine placed him into the position to do, and will continue to do, as
long as he occupies the “slot”. The U. S. Presidency has been turned into a political
“slot” in U.S. Government, that the Zionist machine moves their puppetry in and out of.
In order to alter this procedure, Americans and the world must recognize that “The
Holocaust” was a British-Zionist-Hitler planned “false flag,” to acquire for “Israel”
favoured status in the world. Which favoured status, an abuse of humanitarian good
will, has enabled the tail to wag the dog, since 1945. Thus, a rogue “clan,” moved
into Palestinian territory, has slowly destroyed and overtaken the property of
Palestinian folk, while murdering this folk, under the guise, “I am entitled, due to my
special status.” The naïve, humanitarian leadership of the world, feeling undeserved
guilt for the millions of “Jewish” folk that Zionist leadership genocided, permits this
greedy presumption to continue. Similarly, the government of the U.S.A. has been
overtaken via bribery and intimidation, and fraudulent activity by the owners of the
“Federal Reserve,” in order to have reached its currently abhorrent condition, in which
NEITHER of two political parties reigns.
People of the western world are free to comprehend that folk claiming to belong to
Report this“Israel,” have no special right of any kind in the world, will no longer be allowed
Carte Blanche in subterfuge activity, and will be held responsible for violations of
international law. Just as the Zionist leadership of the U.S.A. must be held
accountable for violations of international law, beginning with the GHWBushSr
entourage, continuing into the Obama oligarchy.
By YoungGringos, November 10, 2011 at 1:49 am Link to this comment
So the good kids at UC Berkeley picked up on the Occupy message. Surely the police will treat them
with more dignity and respect than they treated us in
Oakland….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buovLQ9qyWQ&feature=player_embedded
and then again maybe not.
We’ll see if upper class, white parents care more now that it’s not just dirty hippies getting beat by the po-lice. Johnny and Jill didn’t go to college to learn how to make a tourniquet.
Report thisBy Silence is Complicity, November 9, 2011 at 8:39 pm Link to this comment
“Why Are Police Treating Protestors Like Terrorists?”
In my way of thinking and reflection the answer to this question is quite simple; and it is
“Because we are already living in a police-state, and a police-state by definition is a state where the police are in the service of the true terrorists, who are the ruling class allied to dirty rich, who imagine that any questioning of the status quo is a threat to their ruling supreme in their own terrorism.”
Another way of answering this question is that the police look into the mirrors and they see there the images of themselves as instruments of terror.
Report thisBy gerard, November 9, 2011 at 7:35 pm Link to this comment
Ella: Please tell me more about thos Illuminati business. Up to now I have regarded this as a kind of medieval conspiracy theory based on the Shriners’ mystique. Thanks
Report thisBy Foucauldian, November 9, 2011 at 4:49 pm Link to this comment
Never said that, my man, just in no position at the
Report thismoment to put my body on the line. One way or another,
we all got to get behind it, one way or another.
By Ella, November 9, 2011 at 4:17 pm Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)
It’s psychological manipulation, don’t you see? This is the NWO Revolution. They are going to come out and say that all these people are so and so, whatever they want to say, and they’ll probably get the Tea Party to attack them or something. Who knows, but it’s all a psyop and it was planned a long time ago. Anonymous are cops. They are FBI/CIA. They are not on our side, they are Illuminati.
Report thisBy gerard, November 9, 2011 at 3:15 pm Link to this comment
Foucauldian: As to “OWS will change the dynamic”—I would just add “Yes, with the help of a vast majority of the rest of us.” Never forget that all of us have a responsibility in this venture. It must not be a case of “Let them do it.” That’s unfair and stupid.
Report thisBy Foucauldian, November 9, 2011 at 1:54 pm Link to this comment
That has long been the winning strategy of the ruling
classes, to co-opt the necessary numbers to man the
police force and the military, to jail the
troublemakers or institutionalize them, and what’you
left with is the compliant working stiff.
Hopefully, OWS will change the dynamic.
Report thisBy Raoul, November 9, 2011 at 1:41 pm Link to this comment
Michael Cavlan RN
Amen brother, Amen!!!
Years ago after I’d been promoted into my first management job, the company put me under the direction of a seasoned manager to show me the ropes. In the course of our work together she unburdoned her soul to me - she had this beautiful lyrical Irish accent - had come over from the Emerald Island when she was a kid with her family to flee the hell they had lived under over there.
After what she told me about the Brits/cops/et.al. - my view of England changed radically. It was absolutely horrible what they’d done to the Irish civilians in order to punish the IRA. They would just crash into peoples’ houses in the middle of the night for no reason except to intimidate them. They were no better than jackbooted Nazis.
And so my view about our own corporately owned police is no different. It’s very hard for me to mask my contempt for them at times when I come across one on the streets.
You are right on in your comments about them.
Report thisBy gerard, November 9, 2011 at 11:13 am Link to this comment
If you believe that the human race has a chance for survival, and you want to help that survival, you will do all you can to support nonviolent attempts to make needed social changes. You will learn about possibilities, call attention to successes and try to prevent failures.
Report thisMasses of young people around the world, whose entire future is at stake, are trying to use non-violence as best they can. Its principles have been known since Gandhi’s time, but practical use has been limited and raw force has predominated in an effort to ignore alternatives.
As it is becoming a more significant factor in social change everywhere, and proves its efficacy step by step, gradually old methods of control will probably give way to less brutal and more democratic governance.
All things considered, that is just about our only hope. If you agree, put your “shoulder to the wheel” as they say. Learn about it, think about it, help the next generation whenever you get the chance. They are on the front lines as you read this.
Not to put too fine a point on it, you will be literally saving the world. I kid you not.
By Change Agent, November 9, 2011 at 9:42 am Link to this comment
I think readers may find this video interesting. A true president would not tolerate this abuse and misuse of power. What would Teddy Roosevelt do with police brutality? By Gabriel of Urantia: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P8IRrkrU0VE
Report thisBy Foucauldian, November 9, 2011 at 8:19 am Link to this comment
The connection made by the author of the article in the
Report thisGuardian between police tactics and the Patriot Act is
a very real one and deserves utmost consideration. The
Patriot Act has a symbolic meaning in that it
represents a significant step on the trajectory of an
embattled State in its slide from what may have been a
pseudo-democratic regime into what Agamben, among other
people, calls “the state of exception.”
By Jim Yell, November 9, 2011 at 7:16 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)
The Homeland Security does not provide security to anyone but the powerful. It is clearly being used as a bases for attacking individual and group freedom and liberty and to destroy the Bill of Rights. It is a device for oppression and repression and gangsterism by the government.
Our Civil Police have been cheered on to think that they may attack the innocent and the peaceful protesters with extreme force. I used to think police were there for our protection, but as I see the criminality that has crept into their work I can no longer respect them.
What has happened to our Country, The Corporations and Militarists have happened to our Country. It must be returned to lawful balance—throw the bums out. Go to the polls and write in candidates that are not bought and paid for.
Report thisBy EmileZ, November 9, 2011 at 7:08 am Link to this comment
@ Raoul
I am not a moron, and metal detectors in courthouses are sensible precautions.
I suggest you go back to the Truthdig home page and direct your gaze toward the upper right hand corner towards the article titled “Why are police treating protesters like terrorists” if you want to formulate a legitimate gripe.
Have a nice day.
Report thisBy Raoul, November 9, 2011 at 6:39 am Link to this comment
‘You sir, are a fraud. Which might be okay, but you really have nothing original to say you fraudulent fraud.’
And you sir must be a total, mindless moron because the irony that PatrickH was using went WAY over your empty head. ‘Sensible’ precautions? I guess you condone the ‘sensible’ treatment the corporate owned police departments hand out to ALL of us is really ‘sensible’ as well, right?
Report thisBy thecrow, November 9, 2011 at 6:04 am Link to this comment
Violence can only be concealed by a lie, and the lie can only be maintained by violence. Any man who has once proclaimed violence as his method is inevitably forced to take the lie as his principle.
- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2011/05/26/are-you-afraid/
Report thisBy EmileZ, November 9, 2011 at 5:49 am Link to this comment
@ PatrickHenry
You sir, are a fraud. Which might be okay, but you really have nothing original to say you fraudulent fraud.
Metal detectors in courthouses do not make us all Al Qaeda. It also didn’t make us all Al Qaeda 20 years ago. It is a sensible precaution.
Report thisBy PatrickHenry, November 9, 2011 at 4:23 am Link to this comment
I asked that same question to the screener the other day while I emptied my pockets at the courthouse where I summoned to jury duty.
We are all Al Qaeda now. Guilty until proven innocent and all financing a growing police state of screeners, cameras and drones.
Report thisBy do over, November 9, 2011 at 4:15 am Link to this comment
Grokker, Occupy does seem intent on acting more political. In my view it’s unfortunate because they will now be more effectively identified as the anti-Tea Party,a much smaller vision. Clearly, an overarching vision of creating a NEW SOCIETY as opposed to confronting the old entrenched corrupt one, has been lost on some. I believe that we must find new ways to live successfully and sustainably first. Either way the People will identify the path forward. Also, we must not lose sight of the unique solar reality that we face every 5200 years, the alignment of the Earth and the Sun with the dark rift in the center of the Milky Way. The Mayan long clock ends on the date of that alignment, December 21, 2012. The potential consequences of that alignment are unknown but could be significant rendering politics secondary anyway. Learning to live in right relationship with the Earth and all things is primary.
Report thisBy YoungGringos, November 9, 2011 at 1:12 am Link to this comment
Thus the State never intentionally confronts a man’s sense, intellectual or moral, but only his body, his senses.
Report thisIt is not armed with superior wit or honesty, but with superior physical strength.
I was not born to be forced. I will breathe after my own fashion. Let us see who is the strongest.
By Michael Cavlan RN, November 9, 2011 at 1:07 am Link to this comment
Sigh
As a veteran of both northern Ireland and the RNC in St Paul 2008.
Umm hello? It is what they do- it is their job. To protect the property of the 1% from we the 99%. Always was their job, always will be.
Till they are replaced. Which they will.
Report thisBy gerard, November 8, 2011 at 10:46 pm Link to this comment
I feel that part of this police “overkill” is that, under the fears instigated post 9/11 the military/industrial corporations saw a golden opportunity to make some more money by selling aggressive equipment to large police departments, and the continuous general public fear stabilized the feelings of “need.” Police departments got over-loaded with heavy equipment, and now, to justify the expenditures to the public the stuff has to be used.
Report thisProtests are the only “opportunity.” From what I have read, the G20 meeting in Pittsburgh in 2009 was a horrific example of the use of this overkill capacity. As they are given battle-heavy equipment, police, having no preparedness for non-violent protest, are sorely tempted to “see how things work.” This is a dangerously “experimental” situation for everybody, and legal associations need
to be super-watchful about people’s rights, and be prepared to sue in cases of abuse. Good idea to contribute money to legal organizations to set aside for legal fees if and when suits are necessary.
By grokker, November 8, 2011 at 10:19 pm Link to this comment
@do over I feel pretty attuned to most of what you’re saying. For me the urgency is more along the lines of basic necessities like no water to drink or pollution too great to even grow food or just bombardment from nuclear or microwave radiation due to massive proliferation of wireless gadgetry. For this reason alone I feel fairly unable to relax too much about it all.
Report thisBy Bisbonian, November 8, 2011 at 10:15 pm Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)
“It may have something to do with the way the Patriot Act can be read to classify civil disobedience as domestic terrorism. “
Duh. We’ve only been saying that for about a decade.
Report thisBy do over, November 8, 2011 at 8:07 pm Link to this comment
Occupy should remain non-violent. It should also remain a social movement. The idea is to build a better society to replace the current corrupt society. The current system is in a state of slow collapse. Slow down, get in phase, enjoy your life, and build the new society. There is no need now for overly aggressive action against the 1%. Politics is not the answer. Get creative.
Report thisBy Rodney, November 8, 2011 at 8:02 pm Link to this comment
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Police take orders just like the military take
Report thisorders. Some politican who is afraid that his
corporate campaign dollars will dry up was told to
disburse the crowds. The politicans have ordered the
police to arrest nonviolent peaceful protesters. The
same thing was done in the sixties when they used
tear gas, water hoses, billy clubs, and K-9 dogs. It
will end ugly because these folks are not going away.
Their America has been stolen away by corporate greed
and corrupt politicans. The one percent are scared.
But they have the backing of all of the Republicans
and just enough Democrats who sold out the middle
class. The rich are trying as best as they can to
bring America back to some form of slavery by
lowering wages and eliminating health care. Dividing
the nation with affirmative action,illegal
immigration,abortion, gays and guns along with the
false charge of high taxes has worked well for them
for the past 40 years. That was until their greed got
the best of them and the white folk who have been
voting for them all along realized they have been
conned and deceived. The 99% have begun to realize
that it is time to move our country forward from the
ones who tried to take their country back. The ones
who tried to take it back to 1860 that is.
By Blueokie, November 8, 2011 at 7:31 pm Link to this comment
The para-militarization of so many local police forces are evidence that the
Report thiscorporatocracy knew this was coming. The law now calls anyone who disagrees
with the corporacocracy as terrorists. What they didn’t seem to count on was the
size of the reaction.
By gerard, November 8, 2011 at 6:22 pm Link to this comment
A fearful society acts fearfully. The easiest way to control people is to make them afraid. The entire “counter-terrorism” mania has worked deliberately on all of us for a decade, in order to promote wars abroad and keep down objection at home. The overkilling use of terrorizing equipment is clear evidence of fear. But ...
Report thisVeterans have recognized that fear does not solve problems which the 99% face.
OWS protesters have recognized that, too.
Union members have recognized the same.
Police in many cases have also recognized the same.
Police need training in how to deal with nonviolence.
So far, they haven’t had that training in alternatives to violence. That training is available and being used in many problem schools and prisons and on many troubled city streets. It’s a new thing, but growing in awareness.
One way or another, vast strides in mutual understanding are taking place, in spite of media-skewing reports and sad miscalculations.
By Peter Knopfler, November 8, 2011 at 5:54 pm Link to this comment
WHY?? BECAUSE THEY CAN AND NO ONE CAN STOP THEM!
Report thisSo they have been brain washed into believing their own
pooop! EASIER to treat you like a terrorist,
do not have to see the difference, Police not so smart
so one size fits all easier to train and apply.
PLUS new TOYS FOR CROWD CONTROL!
TO TRY OUT ON YOU THE PUBLIC! THREE GOOD REASONS!
NOW WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT;
THIS POLICE NAZI CONTROL FREAKS!