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White House Denies Involvement in Iranian Nuke Scientist’s Death

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Posted on Jan 11, 2012
CBS News via washingtonpost.com

President Obama’s team of top diplomats didn’t wait long to respond to the report that an Iranian nuclear scientist died in a car explosion Wednesday. Later that day, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the U.S. was in no way involved in the death by detonation of Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan. (But really, what was she going to say?) 

Watch as she makes her categorical denial after the excerpt below.  —KA

AP via The Washington Post:

“I want to categorically deny any United States involvement in any kind of act of violence inside Iran,” Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton told reporters. “We believe there has to be an understanding between Iran, its neighbors and the international community that finds a way forward for it to end its provocative behavior, end its search for nuclear weapons and rejoin the international community and be a productive member of it.”

Earlier, State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland wouldn’t answer a question about whether Washington was involved in the killing — or if the administration viewed Roshan as an innocent victim. “I’m not going to speak to who may or may not have done this,” she told reporters.

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By PatrickHenry, January 16, 2012 at 6:24 am Link to this comment

Cliff Carson,

Yes, outside contractors are a plausible deniability out for our government.

Israel and by a lesser degree the United States have been touting the booga booga against Iran almost daily.  Why is anyone acting suprised that bodies are starting to turn up?

Just the continuation of the undermining of international law and disregard of treaties and protocols we signed and now are ignoring.

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By heterochromatic, January 15, 2012 at 9:45 pm Link to this comment

and it could have been King Kong hired by Cornelius to do gorilla warfare inside
Iran.

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By Cliff Carson, January 15, 2012 at 9:34 pm Link to this comment

Patricide Henry I read your link about the Obama statement that the CIA was not involved. Very interesting and telling.

Actually that CIA statement has a possibility of being true.  You might remember there was also a statement that “We know who did it”.

Think of this scenario:

The State Department usually hires the Mercenaries called “security”.  You might remember Blackwater ( Now known as XE and also now owned by Monsanto ) has a division of “Terrorist Suppression” that can be hired to do Gorilla warfare both in the U S and Foreign Countries.

The State Department could have hired Monsanto to murder the Nuclear Engineer.  That possible scenario would allow Obama to make a truthful statement that “the CIA was not involved” and “We know who did it”.

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By heterochromatic, January 15, 2012 at 8:43 pm Link to this comment

Cliff- entirely on the level, I’ve never seen Legally Blonde or ever had any desire to
see it and have no idea what it has to do with my contention that being not nice is
not proof that you’ve done a specific act of not niceness.

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By heterochromatic, January 15, 2012 at 8:32 pm Link to this comment

PatH—-I don’t have a problem thinking it possible that
the US was in on it, but they’re not the likeliest and
there’s not a damn thing that’s come to light to
connect them.

the US is probably no higher than fourth on the list of
likelies.

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By Cliff Carson, January 15, 2012 at 8:05 pm Link to this comment

By heterochromatic, January 15 at 6:10 pm

“It was only creeps like me that made it possible for
the Israelis to bomb Pearl Harbor and get away with it.”

You truly are a sick puppy Heretochromatic.  Your response is an indication that you write without benefit of thought.

I also saw “Legally Blonde” as you have just proven by your statement from the movie.  But yes it was creeps like you who helped bring on WWII.  Would you care to go into an investigative discussion on the events preceding the attack on Pearl Harbor?

And of course since Israel wasn’t a Nation at the time of Pearl Harbor I really doubt that it was the Israeli’s who bombed Pearl Harbor.  Possibly you know that.  But can you prove to me that you actually knew before I have just informed you?

Herterochromatic, I am ready to call off this spitting contest, I feel I am degrading myself.  I will have further discourse with you only if you cut the crap.

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By PatrickHenry, January 15, 2012 at 7:46 pm Link to this comment

Tic

$400 million is a drop in the bucket compared to the sum that the Saudis are
up for spending.

Yeah, often to the wrong sides. 

http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20061208_saudi_links_to_iraq_insurgency/

You have to be a complete moron not to connect past and present U.S. policy towards Iran to the recent assassination.  If the U.S. didn’t do it they sure paid those who did.

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By heterochromatic, January 15, 2012 at 7:10 pm Link to this comment

CC- I appreciate your passion and absolutely agree that
I’m a totally shameless, complicit and uncaring fool, a
willing tool, a dupe and a creep who winks at murder
and refuses to accept that a mens rea is sufficient to
convict of murder sans any hint of commission of an
actus reus.

It was only creeps like me that made it possible for
the Israelis to bomb Pearl Harbor and get away with it.

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By Cliff Carson, January 15, 2012 at 5:24 pm Link to this comment

By heterochromatic, January 14 at 9:46 pm

“Do YOU understand that it’s not proof at all of any involvement in this present
instance?

and that only an idiot would offer it as conclusive?”

Well heterochromatic, possibly it is people like you that enabled our Government over the years to sucker this Nation into viscous wars against innocent peoples simply to generate profit for the few.  Kind of like “Killing for Dollars”. 

It is people like you who play the fool for the criminals.  The old quote “Fool me once shame on you, Fool me twice shame on me” doesn’t apply to your ilk.

You seem to like playing the fool. 

It doesn’t seem to matter to you that the people of this Nation have been duped into accepting murder, theft, torture, and loss of our liberties, as standard acceptable behavior.

And your asinine excuse is that its OK because in this singular instance no one YET has proven it to be a criminal action of the United States even though history has proven the United states to be perpetrator time and time again. But based on the propaganda you are going to accept a proven liars word that “We were not involved in the assassination”.

Therefore, until this event is revealed to be aided and abetted by the United States (which it will), the mountain of facts proving that the United States is trying to get the public to go with their propaganda of denigration of Iran is of no consequence to you.

And all the time you know that no one has ever proven that Iran is building a Nuclear Bomb. 

Shameful behavior hetero.

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By heterochromatic, January 15, 2012 at 12:59 pm Link to this comment

PatH—” Anyone remember the 400 million Bush appropriated for the
destabilization of the Iranian regime? “

I do and I KNOW that we’re doing things, but that money doesn’t prove ANY
connection to this, Pat.

There are a bunch of other countries that want to stop Iran from getting nuclear
weapons, including some of their neighbors.

Round up the usual suspects and simply announce that theydunnit isn’t all that
wonderful.

$400 million is a drop in the bucket compared to the sum that the Saudis are
up for spending.

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By PatrickHenry, January 15, 2012 at 9:02 am Link to this comment

The US may not have committed the actual murder of the Iranian scientist but is guilty of aiding and abetting those who did.

Anyone remember the 400 million Bush appropriated for the destabilization of the Iranian regime? 

http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-claims-cia-involvement-in-iran-patently-false.html

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By heterochromatic, January 14, 2012 at 10:46 pm Link to this comment

yes, Cliff, i fully understand that evidence of past lying goes to the likely veracity
of the present statement.

Do YOU understand that it’s not proof at all of any involvement in this present
instance?

and that only an idiot would offer it as conclusive?

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By Cliff Carson, January 14, 2012 at 10:22 pm Link to this comment

Stupid is as stupid does herterocromatic

The theme of this article is that the U S is denying involvement in the assassination of the Scientist.  To claim that the past truthfulness of the United States is not relevant to this argument is plain stupidity.

Do you understand that?

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By heterochromatic, January 14, 2012 at 9:47 pm Link to this comment

Cliff, I didn’t dispute your examples, I dismissed them as not relevant…...do you
understand the distinction?

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By Cliff Carson, January 14, 2012 at 9:06 pm Link to this comment

heterochromatic

Clean out your ears and wipe your eyes, everything I listed has been proven as the results of lies by the U S.

To claim it isn’t is just plain stupid.

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By heterochromatic, January 14, 2012 at 8:23 pm Link to this comment

sorry, Cliff, but saying that the Iranian regimes lies haven’t led to as many deaths
as those of the US doesn’t bear as to the whether their word is more often true.


and again all the other stuff doesn’t prove anything about this… you can’t
determine that the US is responsible for this killing without any evidence at all.
that simply doesn’t work in law or in fact.

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By Cliff Carson, January 14, 2012 at 8:11 pm Link to this comment

By heterochromatic, January 14 at 3:01 pm

“I would remind you that the word of the
leaders of Iran is less reliable than is that of the US”.

Really?  And your evidence is?

heteroto, “all that shit” - your words, for the events I gave where the U S lied, events where the U S Government has been exposed as being a liar, that has caused millions of people to be killed and many more millions to be wounded and displaced, that has resulted in the deaths of thousands of U S soldiers, the wounding of many thousands more, the bankruptcy of this country,  And you say “all this shit” don’t matter because, to again use your words, “the word of the
leaders of Iran is less reliable than is that of the US”, is a grand display of ignorance.

Please be so kind to show events where it has been proven that Iran has lied about anything that has caused anything close to the death and destruction caused by the PROVEN lies our Government has been feeding the U S citizen to foment wars to profit Corporations and the War Industry.

I submitted where the U S lied and was exposed for being a liar is nothing other than evidence that our Government is not to be trusted in matters of Foreign Policy.  Or just about anything else for that matter.

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By heterochromatic, January 14, 2012 at 7:24 pm Link to this comment

denk, thank you for a mostly coherent rply, but you didn’t really respond to my
question “which nations and societies actually live that stuff?”

by saying the the US doesn’t.

so I’ll forgive for that forked tongue comment for you know not what you’re doing.

au revoir.

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By denk, January 14, 2012 at 6:49 pm Link to this comment

heterochromatic,
*the belief that we should do unto others as we would have done to ourselves may beat in the hearts of billions, but the actions of most indicate they prefer more doing to others than having done to them.*

say who ?
http://tinyurl.com/7cf6ts3

*which nations and societies actually live that stuff? *

why dont u tell that to the *white man* in the wh ?
u still havent figured out who’re the ones not practicing what they preach ?

*I would remind you that the word of the
leaders of Iran is less reliable than is that of the US*

hmmm, another white man speaking in forked tongue

u called urself a *thinker* [sic] i remember
now where’s that aussie [norri was it ?] who chided me for being *rude* to heter ?

ciao

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By heterochromatic, January 14, 2012 at 4:01 pm Link to this comment

Cliff, i require proof relevant to this instance and you have none. all you have is
talk about other shit and nothing else. I would remind you that the word of the
leaders of Iran is less reliable than is that of the US.

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By Cliff Carson, January 14, 2012 at 1:40 pm Link to this comment

By heterochromatic, January 12 at 6:05 pm

“Cliff——sometimes I like a little evidence, just a tiny bit, before the hanging.”

heterochromatic, The statement above is your response to my statements below where I was referring to your choice to believe the U S official statement of “no involvement”.

In no instance that I had listed below did the U S Government tell the truth about the subject until exposed by the truth.  I think you know that.

By Cliff Carson, January 12 at 5:49 pm:

.....Lies that brought a war on to the Iraqi people, The Afghans, the Libyans, The Serbians, Haitians, Panamanians, etc, and so on.

Then of course there are the lies about

Pat Tillman

Private Lynch

“We don’t torture”

Don’t forget Gitmo, Renditions, Assassinations, and on and on.”

Now what proof was it you needed about what I wrote?  And why do you insist on believing another utterance that just about everyone in the world suspects is nothing but another lie?

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By heterochromatic, January 14, 2012 at 10:58 am Link to this comment

oddsox, when the protests over the fraud in the last Iranian election were shut
shut and brutalized, quite a few among those Iranians came to the conclusion
that they would have to go underground and violently oppose the repressive
theocratic regime.

the regime has screwed down ever tighter since that last election and is purging
ALL dissent, whoever mild, from the political process. It’s going to be entirely
closed to the population without even the pretense of being representative.

————

50 Members of Majlis Disqualified to Run for Re-Election

——” Fars News Agency reported today that more than 50 members of the
current Majlis, the Iranian parliament, have been disqualified to run for re-
election in the upcoming March 2 parliamentary elections. It is not clear why
the country needs to go through formal elections if the candidates, including
the current members of parliament, can be vetted out for their political
viewpoints.

http://www.uskowioniran.com/2012/01/50-members-of-majlis-disqualified-
to.html


you can expect plenty of things to go boom in iran and plenty of Iranians
working to bring about those booms.

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By heterochromatic, January 14, 2012 at 10:32 am Link to this comment

the belief that we should do unto others as we would have done to ourselves may
beat in the hearts of billions, but the actions of most indicate they prefer more
doing to others than having done to them.

which nations and societies actually live that stuff?

which religious group coming from that cradle has had more done to them than
they have done unto them others?

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By oddsox, January 14, 2012 at 10:30 am Link to this comment

Boooom!

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/seven-killed-in-explosion-at-iranian-steel-mill-linked-with-nuclear-program-1.401080

Ka-blooey!

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/12/05/2532802/iran-explosions-prompt-speculation.html

Blam-O!

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-iran-bomb-20111205,0,7550482.story

ka-POW!

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/a-second-iranian-nuclear-facility-has-exploded-as-diplomatic-tensions-rise-between-the-west-and-tehran/story-e6frg6so-1226209996774

Not to make light, but this all has been going on for a while now.

But this latest carbomb incident is different.  Consider:

1) Different target.  An individual is attacked here, not a military/industial site.

2) Media coverage: the first 3 blasts were virtually ignored by the media, even overlooked by TruthDig.  Much more coverage of the carbomb assassination than all 3 prior episodes combined.  And personalized.  Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan’s photo w/his young son widely seen on AP release. 

3) White House denial:  Only in this case is there a US denial of involvement.  Don’t remember Hillary or any other high figure commenting on the previous 3 explosions, or am I mistaken here? 

4) Different M.O. Public setting, hit and run tactic vs. clandestine sabotage suspected in 3 earlier cases. 

No way to know for sure, but it’s at least possible that Roshan (who seems pretty young to be be a key figure in Iran’s nuclear program) may have been sacrificed by Iranian leadership for propaganda purposes.

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By denk, January 14, 2012 at 9:27 am Link to this comment

*No system of government can or should be imposed by one nation on any other. It’s easier to start wars than to end them.… It’s easier to see what is different about someone than to find the things we share.  But we should choose the right path, not just the easy path.

There’s one rule that lies at the heart of every religion – that we do unto others as we would have them do unto us.

This truth transcends nations and peoples — a belief that isn’t new; that isn’t black or white or brown; that isn’t Christian or Muslim or Jew.† It’s a belief that pulsed in the cradle of civilization, and that still beats in the hearts of billions around the world. It’s a faith in other people, and it’s what brought me here today*
*white man* speaks with forked tongue

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By heterochromatic, January 14, 2012 at 9:03 am Link to this comment

dog—- you don’t hear me cheerleading for MOSSAD, you hear me saying that
they’re are real bad guys out to get Israelis.

try and understand me JUST a little. MOSSAD kills people in nasty ways when they
think that the people are nasty terrorist enemies, and sometimes MOSSAD actually
kills the wrong people, but that STILL doesn’t make them the worst enemy of the
Jewish people.

there be monsters out there.

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By denk, January 14, 2012 at 8:37 am Link to this comment

Blackspeare,
* China is not our friend*

the world shouldnt touch u without a 100 ft pole

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By blogdog, January 14, 2012 at 2:00 am Link to this comment

OK, tic, once again you come on as the smartest guy in the room, ready to
browbeat everyone into perdition - you haven’t the guts to look into how much
false flag terror, provocation, assassination and every other manipulation
imaginable MOSSAD has perpetrated, even on the Jewish people

how many market or bus bombings in Israel they’ve done, none can imagine -
just to keep the bloody thing rolling - the Palestinians demonized - everyone
on edge - MOSSAD’s pedigree goes back even further than their parent IRGUN
gang and the heinous King David Hotel terror bombing - it goes way, way back

for them, literally nothing is beyond the pale - as the Zionist ultimate hit
squad, literally everyone in the world is there enemy - ergo: they are the world’s
worst enemy, including the Jewish people - and nothing you say (with no
source citation as usual) is going to change my mind - so sod off, and do it
now! Serious now, tic - SOD BLOODY OFF!!!!!!!

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By heterochromatic, January 13, 2012 at 11:20 pm Link to this comment

no dog, MOSSAD is not the Jewish people’s worst enemy. They work for Israel, not
the Jewish people.

and both distinct groups, Israelis and Jews have real and worse enemies. try not to
get any more credulous than you already are, chico.

the Jewish people had very real and very violent enemies before there was a
MOSSAD and this world is sill home to a great many people who harbor hatred for
Christ-killers and kafirs.

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By blogdog, January 13, 2012 at 11:12 pm Link to this comment

sad part is that MOSSAD is the Jewish people’s worst enemy - they always make
things worse

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By heterochromatic, January 13, 2012 at 10:36 pm Link to this comment

didn’t really thin that you were and was pulling your leg a bit because I’ve always
thought that it was entirely weird that North Korea had guys fighting Israel in the
Yom Kippur war.

if the Israelis weren’t already half past paranoid, shit like that would be cause for
getting that way.

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By diamond, January 13, 2012 at 10:24 pm Link to this comment

I wasn’t actually referring to North Korea. I was referring to Israel’s habit of sending operatives equipped with false passports into other countries so they can carry out assassinations of inconvenient people.

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By ron12, January 13, 2012 at 9:44 pm Link to this comment

I personally dont believe much of anything the US government puts out, mostly propaganda spun to the unimformed un caring masses.

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By Robert, January 13, 2012 at 8:49 pm Link to this comment

False Flag


A series of CIA memos describes how Israeli Mossad agents posed as American spies to recruit members of the terrorist organization Jundallah to fight their covert war against Iran.


BY MARK PERRY | JANUARY 13, 2012


“Buried deep in the archives of America’s intelligence services are a series of memos, written during the last years of President George W. Bush’s administration, that describe how Israeli Mossad officers recruited operatives belonging to the terrorist group Jundallah by passing themselves off as American agents. According to two U.S. intelligence officials, the Israelis, flush with American dollars and toting U.S. passports, posed as CIA officers in recruiting Jundallah operatives—what is commonly referred to as a “false flag” operation.”


~~~~~~

Click on link for the rest:

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/01/13/false_flag

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By PatrickHenry, January 13, 2012 at 5:47 pm Link to this comment

This is how the Issies keep the different Governments representatives in their pocket.  Fear of assassination, fear of blackmail by wiretap or negative media 24/7.

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By heterochromatic, January 13, 2012 at 3:36 pm Link to this comment

diamond—- if you’re suggesting that Israel is the
reason that North Korea felt it desirable to develop
nuclear weapons, you might not be correct.

It is true that in the 1973 Yom Kippur war, North Korea
sent airplanes and pilots and that they fought against
the Israelis, but I doubt that the Israelis were
planning a retaliatory attack

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By heterochromatic, January 13, 2012 at 2:35 pm Link to this comment

but they didn’t have to worry about invasion before, B.
they’ve more of a worry in trying to keep their
population from leaving rather than pretending that
folks are in a hurry to charge in.

if calling North Korea a member of the axis of evil is
fighting words, then what the heck is your term for
Iran’s calling the US the great Satan and ending
government rallies with chants of “death to America” ?

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By Blackspeare, January 13, 2012 at 1:21 pm Link to this comment

heterochromatic…You make a good point.  But I believe the PRNK looks upon South Korea and it’s sponsor, the USA as it’s main enemy true or not.  Remember, Bush II called the PRNK an Axis of Evil and thems fighting words.  True, China is the 800lb gorilla, but a nuclear deterrence works as well for China!  One more point, China is not our friend——they just love it when the PRNK acts up and gives South Korea and the USA agita.

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By heterochromatic, January 13, 2012 at 12:26 pm Link to this comment

Blackspeare—- I don’t really always understand what
the government of North Korea might think, but it’s
entirely absurd to think that the US would be
invading North Korea.

Why, for what, and how the hell could we?

Look back in history and you’ll be reminded of the
800 lb gorilla that insures that we never would do it
again.

there’s only one nation that would invade .... and it
sure as hell isn’t us.

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By blogdog, January 13, 2012 at 11:28 am Link to this comment

ACCURATE SATIRE: Henry Kissinger:
“If You Can’t Hear the Drums of War You Must Be Deaf”

Kissinger, the most famous living practitioner of international statecraft
http://www.dailysquib.co.uk/index.php?news=3089
by Alfred Heinz

NEW YORK - USA - In a remarkable admission by former Nixon era
Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger, reveals what is happening at the moment in
the world and particularly the Middle East.

Speaking from his luxurious Manhattan apartment, the elder statesman, who
will be 89 in May, is all too forward with his analysis of the current situation in
the world forum of Geo-politics and economics.

“The United States is bating China and Russia, and the final nail in the coffin
will be Iran, which is, of course, the main target of Israel. We have allowed
China to increase their military strength and Russia to recover from
Sovietization, to give them a false sense of bravado, this will create an all
together faster demise for them. We’re like the sharp shooter daring the noob
to pick up the gun, and when they try, it’s bang bang. The coming war will will
be so severe that only one superpower can win, and that’s us folks. This is why
the EU is in such a hurry to form a complete superstate because they know
what is coming, and to survive, Europe will have to be one whole cohesive state.
Their urgency tells me that they know full well that the big showdown is upon
us. O how I have dreamed of this delightful moment.”

“Control oil and you control nations; control food and you control the people.”
Mr Kissinger then added: “If you are an ordinary person, then you can prepare
yourself for war by moving to the countryside and building a farm, but you
must take guns with you, as the hordes of starving will be roaming. Also, even
though the elite will have their safe havens and specialist shelters, they must be
just as careful during the war as the ordinary civilians, because their shelters
can still be compromised.”

After pausing for a few minutes to collect his thoughts, Mr Kissinger, carried
on: “We told the military that we would have to take over seven Middle Eastern
countries for their resources and they have nearly completed their job. We all
know what I think of the military, but I have to say they have obeyed orders
superfluously this time. It is just that last stepping stone, i.e. Iran which will
really tip the balance. How long can China and Russia stand by and watch
America clean up? The great Russian bear and Chinese sickle will be roused
from their slumber and this is when Israel will have to fight with all its might
and weapons to kill as many Arabs as it can. Hopefully if all goes well, half the
Middle East will be Israeli. Our young have been trained well for the last decade
or so on combat console games, it was interesting to see the new Call of Duty
Modern Warfare 3 game, which mirrors exactly what is to come in the near
future with its predictive programming. Our young, in the US and West, are
prepared because they have been programmed to be good soldiers, cannon
fodder, and when they will be ordered to go out into the streets and fight those
crazy Chins and Russkies, they will obey their orders. Out of the ashes we shall
build a new society, there will only be one superpower left, and that one will be
the global government that wins. Don’t forget, the United States, has the best
weapons, we have stuff that no other nation has, and we will introduce those
weapons to the world when the time is right.”

End of interview. Our reporter is ushered out of the room by Kissinger’s
minder.

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By Blackspeare, January 13, 2012 at 9:40 am Link to this comment

heterochromatic…What you say is true, but what does the PRNK think.  Having nukes, even inefficient ones, puts them in a more comfortable position.  They’ll never have to worry about an invasion.  After the demise of Hussein, Qaddafi, and Mubarak, the friendship of the USA is indeed tenuous.

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By diamond, January 13, 2012 at 12:52 am Link to this comment

Israel.

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By heterochromatic, January 12, 2012 at 8:06 pm Link to this comment

Blackspeare——- what’s not happening to North Korea was not happening to
them long before they developed nuclear weapons and it’s not the NorK’s nukes
that are responsible for nothing happening to them

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By heterochromatic, January 12, 2012 at 7:29 pm Link to this comment

dog— I agree that it’s reasonable to suspect the Israelis of being involved.
Not likely that the US would be…..unless there’s something irreplaceable AND
critically important about the guy who was killed.

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By blogdog, January 12, 2012 at 7:08 pm Link to this comment

translation of this might inform
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZflH8yIkX0s

otherwise - he said - she said…

Iran leader says CIA, Mossad behind scientist murder
http://tinyurl.com/83xgssh
AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE JANUARY 12, 2012 5:02 PM

Iranian nuclear scientist Mostafa Ahmadi-Roshan was reportedly killed in
Tehran when a magnetic bomb attached to a car by a motorcyclist exploded
outside a university in the Islamic republic’s capital, according to Iranian news
agencies.

TEHRAN — Iran’s supreme leader has accused the U.S. and Israeli intelligence
services of being behind the “abominable” assassination in Tehran this week of
a nuclear scientist who was to be buried Friday.

The “cowardly murder” on Wednesday of Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan, a deputy
director of Iran’s main uranium enrichment plant, was committed “with the
planning or support of the intelligence services of the CIA and Mossad,” said
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

In a message of condolence posted on his website, Khamenei said Iran’s nuclear
program “does not depend on any one person” and “we are going to continue
with determination and energy on this path.”

His condemnation of the United States and Israel came amid calls in Iran’s
conservative press for “retaliation” against Israeli political and military officials
— but also a renewed offer for nuclear talks with world powers that collapsed a
year ago to resume.

Ali Larijani, the influential speaker of Iran’s parliament, said Thursday during a
visit to Turkey that his country stood ready for the negotiations with the five
permanent members of the UN Security Council, plus Germany.

“The negotiations can yield results if they are serious and not a game,” he said,
according to the official news agency IRNA.

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By heterochromatic, January 12, 2012 at 7:05 pm Link to this comment

Cliff——sometimes I like a little evidence, just a tiny bit, before the hanging.

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By Blackspeare, January 12, 2012 at 7:01 pm Link to this comment

Robespierre115…You have quite eloquently stated the reasons Iran is seeking to
develop a nuclear weapon.  Sad to say, but any nation that is on the outs with the
USA needs the deterrence that a nuclear weapon offers.  After witnessing what
happened to Saddam Hussein and Muammar Qaddafi, and what’s not happening
to the PRNK, would anybody doubt the efficacy of nuclear armament?

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By Cliff Carson, January 12, 2012 at 6:49 pm Link to this comment

When I see those who simply deny the complicity of the U S Government I mention:

Lies that brought a war on to the Iraqi people, The Afghans, the Libyans, The Serbians, Haitians, Panamanians, etc, and so on.

Then of course there are the lies about

Pat Tillman

Private Lynch

“We don’t torture”

Don’t forget Gitmo, Renditions, Assassinations, and on and on.

Yeah Heroto, you really are a beacon of darkness.

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By heterochromatic, January 12, 2012 at 6:40 pm Link to this comment

and there’s no reason to insist that the US is responsible in this case.

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By Cliff Carson, January 12, 2012 at 6:21 pm Link to this comment

Someday this sadistic and ruthless behavior will come back on the United states and many of our own people will wonder why.  How could those Islamist be so cruel as to attack us they will cry but all the time they, that is us, will know why they hate us so much.

When that day comes that we realize that we have lost our future, we will also wonder why our fathers actions brought the wrath of the world on us. But no explanation will be needed “Ye reap what you sow”.

The seeds of hatred are being scattered by our out of control Government and the harvest is just a season away.

And for you Christian Conservative remember that the admonition was to keep the Commandments - all of them.

There is no exclusion for murder.

And assassination is murder.

Our Government wants to get another war going - that is the bottom line.

Yes you will find members of the 1% behind this atrocity.

We need to scrub our Government to clean away the immoral.  Let’s begin while it still may be accomplished peacefully.  We will have to bring the perpetrators to justice in a court of law.  But first we must get them in jail.  This won’t happen as long as they are serving their “masters”.

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By Robespierre115, January 12, 2012 at 5:37 pm Link to this comment

@Blackspeare, that’s another issue. So far nobody has presented any credible evidence that they are making a nuke. And if they were building the capabilities? What? You believe Iran is a major threat in a region where Israel has over 200 nuclear weapons, Saudi Arabia gets $60 BILLION worth of weapons from the US, other worthless monarchs in Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, the UAE, Jordan are allied with the US and Israel and surround Iran, all armed and funded by the US?

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By blogdog, January 12, 2012 at 3:10 pm Link to this comment

thanks for the offer - altered states always welcome - but, still waiting for
sources, please

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By Blackspeare, January 12, 2012 at 3:00 pm Link to this comment

Robespierre115…I gather you don’t believe that Iran is pursuing a nuclear weapon. If that is your view, then please pass around whatever you’re smoking you are obviously in an alternate reality!

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By SarcastiCanuck, January 12, 2012 at 2:57 pm Link to this comment
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What did you expect Hillary to say…“Yeah,we blew thier asses up real good”.

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By oddsox, January 12, 2012 at 2:31 pm Link to this comment

Blackspeare, aren’t there also willing subordinates to take the place of fallen nuclear professors taken down by the Internal Iranian Security you mention?

Doubtful that any of us would/could know all the details and players here. 

If I knew the US was involved, I’d have moral concerns.

But if I were an Israeli, I would not. 
The theocratic government of Iran has declared their intentions of eliminating Israel, so all options would be on the table.
(some controversy over translation, see here)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel

I have no way to know, but I’m sure this is the path the Israelis have chosen—whether or not the US plays a role and regardless of the support level from with Iran.

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By Robespierre115, January 12, 2012 at 1:30 pm Link to this comment

@Blackspeare, that’s idiotic, none of the assassinated scientists have ever had a history of opposing Iranian nuclear efforts, especially since most of the enriched uranium has been used for medical purposes in terms of power for hospitals and other such uses. Iran’s nuclear program is fully monitored by the IAEA.

This was obviously an assassination by either US or Israeli intelligence or their proxies in the region such as Jundullah or MEK.

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By blogdog, January 12, 2012 at 12:30 pm Link to this comment

intriguing - please share sources

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By Blackspeare, January 12, 2012 at 12:21 pm Link to this comment

Contrary to many posts on this article neither Israel nor the USA are involved.  This is an internal Iranian matter.  It is well known that there is a group of Iranian scientists opposed to the development of nuclear weapons and Iranian Internal Security is taking care of this matter in a most expedient way.  The one physicist who survived the assassination attempt has been persuaded to change his mind.  Foreign assassination of scientists involved in the development of nuclear weapons will do little good——there are always subordinates who quickly fill the positions!

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By who'syourdebs, January 12, 2012 at 10:44 am Link to this comment

The key word here of course is “involvement”. Notice that it’s definitely NOT “knowledge”. How slimy can you get? It’s another case of the tail wagging the dog, for sure. Better to say nothing at all than to display such hypocrisy in public. Hillary will probably need a good belt or two of something potent to get to sleep tonight. At least I hope so.

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By better not say, January 12, 2012 at 10:21 am Link to this comment
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now if I give money to al quaida and they blow something up, am I not considered by the US to be helping a terrorist, thus the legal system would view me as a terrorist?

Everybody says israel did it… 

who finances israel and gives them weapons galore?

The only legally logical conclusion:  the real terrorists are the us and israel.

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By blogdog, January 12, 2012 at 10:18 am Link to this comment

TD should show the guts to present reports from the ‘opposition’ - e.g.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/220485.html - some insist that Press
TV, Russia Today, Asia Times, etc. are less reliable than AP, Reuters, McLatchy, etc.

Question for Robert Scheer: When Ramparts launched were AP, UPI, CBS, ABC, etc.
trusted as reliable sources?

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By they call me the working man, January 12, 2012 at 10:11 am Link to this comment

Meanwhile several Tea Partly Patriots heads exploded when they realized that if the U.S. is involved Obama might really be a turrrist but the people being killed are from the middle east.

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By Kelly McWaid, January 12, 2012 at 8:41 am Link to this comment
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I have been involved in the education system and the
health care system for nearly 2 decades. My observation
is that the majority of our citizens are totally
uneducated, don’t want to be educated and feel entitled
to and expect every government handout they can get.
Lying, cheating and stealing is the name of the game.
Our government sets the example. Our government also
wants the majority to be ignorant and unquestioning.
What do we expect? We are the sheep being led by our
noses.

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By prisnersdilema, January 12, 2012 at 8:24 am Link to this comment

Yeah Yeah, Sure, Sure…maybe they can then explain why we have built and are
building so many military hospitals in the former soviet state of Georgia to handle those
injured in the coming War…

The global elite have given Hitlery her marching orders…And we all know what’s
coming…including quite possibly a new draft and a new 911…

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By thecrow, January 12, 2012 at 6:12 am Link to this comment

“I’m not going to speak to who may or may not have done this”

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/08/23/as-the-crow-flies/

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By chris massey lynch, January 12, 2012 at 4:36 am Link to this comment
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Mossad consider themselves above the law.

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By Non-Compassionate Liberal, January 12, 2012 at 1:16 am Link to this comment

The Terrorist organization Mossad probably killed him.

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By Kafantaris, January 11, 2012 at 10:15 pm Link to this comment
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Another scientist is killed and again the United
States along with Israel are deemed to be the ones
that killed him—to slow Iran from building an
atomic bomb.
Not even Russia had gone that far during the cold
war. Neither had we—until now.
Yet our presidential candidates advocate that we
“take out” more Iranian scientists, “all of it
covertly, all of it deniable.”
Surprisingly, few people raised an eyebrow to this
newly articulated expediency in international
affairs.
Is no one concerned that the victims might have wives
and children; mothers and fathers; sisters and
brothers?  Or that these scientists had committed no
crime or terrorist act to justify us killing them?
To be sure, expediency has no moral code.  Its only
rule is to reach an end, by any means. Those who
regularly resort to expediency must therefore
regularly also compromise their moral compass—the
guide they will need to find their way out of the
next storm.  When that storm comes it will find them
morally bankrupt and at loss as to what to do.
Still, they see no risk in being in this position. 
That’s fine.
We, however, are a God fearing nation, conceived out
of a universal sense for fairness.
There is nothing fair or right about killing another
nation’s scientists.

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By RickinSF, January 11, 2012 at 9:06 pm Link to this comment
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I don’t know what is worse…total US connivance or total lack of control over Tel Aviv?

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By not obama, January 11, 2012 at 8:03 pm Link to this comment
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did she just describe irans behavior as provocative? im pretty sure the bombing of a scientist in a sovereign country is the “provocative behavior”

not to mention crushing a countries common people with sanctions, but thats just me.

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By robjira, January 11, 2012 at 7:23 pm Link to this comment

Her spiel is worthy of Vito Corleone himself.

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By Ralph Kramden, January 11, 2012 at 7:13 pm Link to this comment
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And we never killed Che or Lumumba or Nakruma or Allende. We had nothing to do with the hundreds of attempts on Fidel Castro or Hugo Chavez.We are the blameless, the innocent USA. Whatever happened in 09/11/1973 had nothing to do with the USA, and the murder of 30,000—-we were innocent. Indonesia and the 2 million, why, Kissinger says we were innocent. A better character background than one Henry Kissinger? Jack-the-Ripper perhaps? And it doesn’t stop internationally: Malcolm X, Martin King, Walter Reuther, Joe Hill.

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By oddsox, January 11, 2012 at 7:01 pm Link to this comment

Well, of course Hillary is going to deny this.
So maybe we had a hand in this assassination and maybe we didn’t.

But something’s sure going on—this is the 4th episode of its kind with minimal coverage by the MSM.

Expect more of the same, as predicted:
http://open.salon.com/blog/oddsox/2011/12/31/12_predictions_for_2012

No open, overt war w/Iran, though.

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By bluejeanne, January 11, 2012 at 5:46 pm Link to this comment
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Meryl Streep has played Margaret Thatcher so now who will play Hillary in the next movie about women politicians’ great contribution to world history?  Perhaps Carmen Diaz could portray her. 

A few days ago it was mentioned in the news that an American-born Iranian, former Marine, has been sentenced to die in Iran for espionage.  Now we hear about Iranian scientists being car-bombed in their own country. 22 It appears that these murders are in retaliation to the aforementioned.

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By Dr. Halle, January 11, 2012 at 5:18 pm Link to this comment
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Ha ha ha.  Yes, and the “Company” has not been responsible for assassination activity, since at least the murder of President Kennedy in 1963!
HONEST!!!

For Sec. Clinton to have had ANY credibility at all, she would have said something like: 

I understand the concern many Americans may have of the American Intelligence community, considering, e.g., the Iran-Contra scandal and CoIntelPro, and recent violations of citizens’ rights, yet—in this case-I have investigated, and want to assure you that we had nothing—whatever—to do with this action.

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By Tuscany, January 11, 2012 at 5:04 pm Link to this comment
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Provocative behavior?

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By Robespierre115, January 11, 2012 at 5:03 pm Link to this comment

This is what is truly baffling about Obamatrons, they still support these gasbags as if they are our only hope even during situations like these where the White House literally treats us like idiots.

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By Dr Bones, January 11, 2012 at 4:53 pm Link to this comment
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President Obama claims he can assassinate anyone who he believes is now or will be potentially, in the future, a threat. 

So really who knows?  Wikileaks proved that our Government isn’t honest with this things.

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By berniem, January 11, 2012 at 4:23 pm Link to this comment

Ah, the glory of “plausible deniability”! FREE BRADLEY MANNING!!!!!

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By Roger Lafontaine, January 11, 2012 at 4:03 pm Link to this comment
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Phoney. Professional deception. Totally heartless. Murderous. And murderess.

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By Jim Michie, January 11, 2012 at 3:39 pm Link to this comment
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Well what else could you possibly expect from the “Evil Empire,” when it is now by law able to pick you, a citizen, up on the street or out of your home and jail you indefinitely without due process in a top secret prison anywhere in the world.  What-prey-tell (pun intended) could you expect from a “government” who now has the authority to assassinate/murder anyone anywhere in the world if it “deems necessary” and is in the “Evil Empire’s” national interests.  Of course she is denying it!  Lies and the lying liars who tell them!

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