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Posted on Feb 19, 2012
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“No one buys Iran’s claim that [it is] for peaceful purposes,” CNN correspondent Erin Burnett says of Iran’s nuclear program.

Amid warnings by a British official of a Middle Eastern cold war and CNN commentator Erin Burnett’s anti-Iranian scaremongering, author Matt Taibbi hears the drums of war beating in the airwaves. But a global standoff isn’t the only thing to be feared; a public that unquestioningly acquiesces to the prejudices of conventional wisdom is just as dangerous. —ARK

Matt Taibbi at Rolling Stone:

There’s a weird set of internalized assumptions that media members bring to stories like this Iran business. In fact there’s an elaborate belief system we press people adhere to, about how a foreign country may behave toward the U.S., and how it may not behave. It reminds me a little of a passage in Anna Karenina about the belief system of noblemen in Tolstoy’s day:

Vronsky’s life was particularly happy in that he had a code of principles, which defined with unfailing certitude what he ought and what he ought not to do… These principles laid down as invisible rules: that one must pay a cardsharper, but need not pay a tailor; that one must never lie to a man, but one may lie to a woman; that one must never cheat anyone, but one may a husband; that one must never pardon an insult, but one may give one, and so on.

We have a similar gentleman’s code, a “Westernized industrial power” code if you will, that operates the same way. In other words, our newspapers and TV stations may blather on a thousand times a day about attacking Iran and bombing its people, but if even one Iranian talks about fighting back, he is being “aggressive” and “threatening”; we can impose sanctions on anyone, but if the sanctioned country embargoes oil shipments to Europe in response, it’s being “belligerent,” and so on.

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By prisnersdilema, February 20, 2012 at 3:34 pm Link to this comment

LOL…the truth hurts doesn’t .....

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By heterochromatic, February 20, 2012 at 3:20 pm Link to this comment

pd____do you rally think or merely imagine that you do?

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By prisnersdilema, February 20, 2012 at 2:45 pm Link to this comment

You really think Imax and his imaginary friend Hetero are two people?

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By blogdog, February 20, 2012 at 1:13 pm Link to this comment

Tarpley is virulently mad - sorry that don’t fly - requires detailing - probably too tedious - and
again, tic; your sophomoric attempts at ‘stand up’ are embarrassingly pathetic - I
think your browbeating style was less grating - and today you outdid yourself - 
this little tag-team routine with IMax… taking turns body-slamming PH, makes
you both look like operatives and regardless the backfill you’ve fed us over the
last year - I’m more inclined now to think your both a pair of head bangers, just
picking up walkin’ around change from the Sunsteine Cognitive Dissonance
program

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By heterochromatic, February 20, 2012 at 12:56 pm Link to this comment

only can imagine that if Scheer was wearing a biohazard
suit. Tarpley is virulently mad.

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By blogdog, February 20, 2012 at 12:20 pm Link to this comment

Webster Tarpley, just back from Iran

http://tarpley.net/ - most recent interview - top of page

imagine him face to face with Ms. Burnette, or Mr. Scheer for that matter

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By Rehmat, February 20, 2012 at 12:07 pm Link to this comment

Political observers believe that the United States, under Israeli pressure, has remained at loggerheads with Iran mainly over the independent and home-grown nature of Tehran’s nuclear technology, which gives the Islamic Republic the potential to turn into a world power and a role model for the other third-world countries. Washington has laid much pressure on Iran to make it give up the most sensitive and advanced part of the technology, which is uranium enrichment, a process used for producing nuclear fuel for power plants. However, the Zionist regime is worried that Iran with a nuclear “capability” will make it impossible for the Jewish Army to defeat Hamas and Hizbullah.

On February 12, 2012 – Vice Admiral Mark Fox, commander of US 5th fleet told reporters at the US Navy base in Manama, Bahrain that Islamic Republic can block the Strait of Hormuz – the water artery used to transport nearly 40% of world’s crude oil by using ‘mosquitoe submarines’.

Dr. Saeb Shaath, ME political expert and author says that the so-called “Israel’s capability to attack Iran is pure science fiction. Israel cannot attack Iran without the active help of the US and its client regimes in the region, Turkey, Egypt and Tunisia as was the case Israeli attack on Iraqi nuclear reactor building in 1981 – attacks against PLO in Lebanon in 1982 and PLO headquarter in Tunisia in late 1980s and Israeli attack on Syrian factory in 2007.

http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2012/02/18/the-myth-of-israeli-strike-on-iran/

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By IMax, February 20, 2012 at 11:18 am Link to this comment

Oops.  “BEGINNING to believe” otherwise.

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By IMax, February 20, 2012 at 11:15 am Link to this comment

hetero,

I would have agreed with you a couple of months ago, however, I’m begging to believe his agenda is more cynical and contrived.

I have seen you show Mr. Himmler, beyond all obvious doubt, that much of what he writes here to be incorrect or untrue.  Yet he keeps repeating the same claims.  I believe this is more than a case of simple bigotry and ignorance of history.

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By blogdog, February 20, 2012 at 11:12 am Link to this comment

Iraq invaded Iran…ain’t in dispute.  -  agreed, but it’s the only case that even comes
close in modern times - but to elaborate: amateur-hour, ‘belief baiting’
is one of two things: sophomoric, chicken-shit polemic or intentional, provocative
distraction

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By blogdog, February 20, 2012 at 11:03 am Link to this comment

link would help, but found it:

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/06/29/king_abdullah_wants_to_wipe_israel_and_iran_off_the_map

of course, it’s off the records - hearsay report - could be true

Q: how does such hearsay serve to explain why Iran has launched no invasions in
modern times?

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By heterochromatic, February 20, 2012 at 11:02 am Link to this comment

dog___ yes, Iraq initiated the war with Iran….. that ain’t in dispute.

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By heterochromatic, February 20, 2012 at 11:00 am Link to this comment

IMax,

Patty is pretty much just a foolish child who repeats simple slogans, can’t defend
the truth of them from a considered rebuttal, and instead tries another slogan.


he’s not evil, just a jerker.

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By IMax, February 20, 2012 at 10:37 am Link to this comment

Cliff Carson,

Mr. Himmler and I go back a few months.  I am fairly well acquainted with his worldview.  Of course you’re coming into this without the benefit of that history.

Do you believe Iran has not attacked another country in the past 200 years?  I believe there’s a reason why, in June 2010, King Abdullah stated “there are two countries in the world that do not deserve to exist: Iran and Israel.”

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By litlpeep, February 20, 2012 at 10:32 am Link to this comment

The reason for all this Iran- bashing come down to one simple truth: when a sitting president is so insecure of himself he fears being relegated to just one more soon-to-be-long-forgotten total public disaster, he invents every conceivable prospect for whatever “October Surprise” he will need.

We all know, or should know, that Obama has plenty of very good, very personally inflicted self-destructive reasons to fear re-elective failure.  We all know, or should know as well that there is no October Surprise like a new war to rally the faithful and the fence sitters.

If you have no symbolic Iron Curtain to symbolically tear down, then you create a similar symbolic enemy to destroy.  Self hatred knows no limits.

Thank the god of love that Chris Hedges was present today with a very compelling counter to this Obama’s-unsalvagable-weakness inspired story with some healthy meaning for today’s evil.

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By blogdog, February 20, 2012 at 10:19 am Link to this comment

who cares what one believes? just the facts ma’m… e.g.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Iraq_War

The Iran–Iraq War (also known as the First Persian Gulf War and by various other
names) was an armed conflict between the armed forces of Iraq and Iran, lasting from
September 1980 to August 1988, making it the longest conventional war of the 20th
century.[12][13][14] It was initially referred to in English as the “Persian Gulf War”
prior to the “Gulf War” of 1990.[15]   
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The war began when Iraq invaded Iran, launching a simultaneous invasion
by air and land into Iranian territory on 22 September 1980 following a long history of
border disputes,
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yes, Iranian forces fought inside Iraq during this war and are now fighting
insurgents on the Kurdish border - literally nothing compared to the global
imperialistic war-making by US, UK, France, Germany, Spain, Holland, Belgium
(NATO’s principals) over the last 500 years - NATO are currently the world’s premiere
war criminals

any contrary facts, bring them forward - ‘belief baiting’, amateur hour in the pub

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By Cliff Carson, February 20, 2012 at 9:57 am Link to this comment

IMax, February 20 at 8:20 am Link to this comment

In regard to my question about Patrick Henry,

Your statement to me:

“Do you believe Iran has not attacked another country in the past 200 years?”

Your statement to Patrick Henry:

“I find in you a frightening individual, Mr. Himmler.  I once believed you lacked information.  I now believe you fully grasp your blatant dishonesty.”

So the statement of Patrick Henry stating that Iran
has not invaded anyone for the past 200 years prompted you to associate him to the Nazi regime, and you insinuate that he knows better, therefore making him a liar.  Would that be what you are saying?

Can you list all those invasions of other countries that Iran has conducted in those years?

And be sure and provide the links.

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By IMax, February 20, 2012 at 9:20 am Link to this comment

Cliff Carson,

Do you believe Iran has not attacked another country in the past 200 years?

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By Cliff Carson, February 20, 2012 at 8:28 am Link to this comment

The Crow - I get a notice when I try to go to the link you provide that it is a poor reputation, unsafe site.

Could you help me on this?  I have gone to Michael Fury and Word Press before and didn’t receive this warning from my software.

You have any idea?

Thanks for any info you have.

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By thecrow, February 20, 2012 at 7:58 am Link to this comment

How much for the whole month of March, Erin?

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/11/14/talking-head-like-a-hole/

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By Cliff Carson, February 20, 2012 at 7:52 am Link to this comment

IMax, February 20 at 5:49 am Link to this comment

PatrickHimmler, - “Iran hasn’t attacked another country in over 200 years”

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“I find in you a frightening individual, Mr. Himmler.  I once believed you lacked information.  I now believe you fully grasp your blatant dishonesty.”

IMAX, I’m not sure of the basis for your attack on Patric Henry.  What is frightening about PH, what information does he lack, and what is he dishonest about?

Would you please explain yourself concerning your statement?

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By thecrow, February 20, 2012 at 7:50 am Link to this comment

And yet Taibbi would dismiss Ed Asner as bat-shit insane.

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2009/06/08/up/

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By prisnersdilema, February 20, 2012 at 7:43 am Link to this comment

That’s like the pot calling the Kettle black, IMAX. Only a liar could be frightened of
lies, because, they themselves dwell on the power of have truths and misdirection.

At any rate, try not to refute people, by sinking into fear…. another part of your
unconscious autobiography, here on these pages for all to see.

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By IMax, February 20, 2012 at 6:49 am Link to this comment

PatrickHimmler, - “Iran hasn’t attacked another country in over 200 years”

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I find in you a frightening individual, Mr. Himmler.  I once believed you lacked information.  I now believe you fully grasp your blatant dishonesty.

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By Cliff Carson, February 20, 2012 at 6:24 am Link to this comment

Whatever happened to the Dream and Promise of early America?  Freedom and Pride were synonymous. The enemy then was the Empire Nation of the British exploiting the world for its profit - causing death and destruction wherever it went.

Does that description now apply to America?

Is the World’s future one of endless Wars of profit for the 1%?

Someone mentioned making a choice.

Sounds like a good idea to me.

When we make that choice what do we have to do differently?

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By Marian Griffith, February 20, 2012 at 4:14 am Link to this comment
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@Blueokie
—-How does that work in supply and demand capitalism?—-

Very nicely.

The corporations Supply the Demand, and Demand the Supply.

See the symmetry?

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By Blueokie, February 19, 2012 at 10:10 pm Link to this comment

First Scarlett Johanson, now Erin Burnett, who will be next on the td cavalcade of stars?

Personally I stopped believing the Iranians were just a year away from building a nuclear weapon and plunging the world into war after hearing it for the fifth straight year, I think it was 1996.  It reminds me of a 2003 “Onion” article that talked about Iraq’s refusal to disarm itself before we attacked being a clear indication that they wanted war.

Odd how the narrative from Syria all comes from the same source and happily parrots the position of the Empire.  The NATOGCC efforts are clearly aimed at toppling any Shia led government.  Violent repression at efforts of inclusion
in the Sunni led countries are understandable as it is only “terrorists” making trouble in those countries.  Particularly ironic considering al-Qaeda is an ally in the anti-Shia alliance. 

Every poll of the people of the area say they would like to see Iran with the bomb as a counterweight to the destabilizing influence and actions of Israel and the Empire, who they see as the real danger of war.  Of course the client states and those governments paid by the Empire will always back the Empire’s
position.

The real unreported story is the Carbon Bubble being inflated and the danger it poses to the economy.  For instance, gasoline demand is at a 20 year low due to the slowed economy, meanwhile gasoline supplies are at a 10 year high, the U.S. was even a net exporter last year.  So why are we being told to expect $4.00 gas in the next few months?  How does that work in supply and demand capitalism?

Things will get really interesting when the BRICS choose not to go along with the Empire, and set up an alternative banking system to buy Iranian oil, threatening the petrodollar.  How many countries around the world would leap at the opportunity to get out from under the thumb of the WTO, IMF, and G8?

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By wildmanculebra, February 19, 2012 at 8:28 pm Link to this comment

The (United Nations), as the toothless dog that threatens to do something and then resorts to having sanctions levied on said criminals,  to have said criminals do whatever they want with no repercussions after the fact.. please just send in the clowns..

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By prisnersdilema, February 19, 2012 at 8:18 pm Link to this comment

Excellent posts Patrick Henry…

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By wildmanculebra, February 19, 2012 at 8:05 pm Link to this comment

When there are groups of weapons dealers planning on making millions on the next conflict,the reality is yes there will be a war..

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By glen, February 19, 2012 at 7:48 pm Link to this comment
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With weapon manufactures selling anything the buyers are asking for,maybe we sould be looking at who is pushing this new war..the underlining factor of all conflicts are how much money is involved..

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By PatrickHenry, February 19, 2012 at 7:33 pm Link to this comment

tic,

let us indeed not hasten to war with Iran but let us recognize that the Iranian regime is not innocent lambs or victims of anything or anybody.

Spoken like a true shill. 

Iran hasn’t attacked another country in over 200 years, is a signatory of the NPT and allows inspectors into its country to verify.  Yet, it is surrounded by military bases, carrier battle groups offshore and illegal overflights by drones almost daily.

Its crime?  use a currancy other than the dollar, much like Libya tried to do and look what happened to them.

Every day like an orchestra, the news media chorus sings about the ever rising gas prices with no end in sight.  The gas companies love it even though most of them don’t get their oil from Iran anyway.  All that oil drilled and obtained from U.S. public land, pure profit.

Instead of threatening to attack Iran daily at the behest of Israel we should back off and let the flow of oil and commerce continue and use the U.N. in the manner it was designed for.

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By heterochromatic, February 19, 2012 at 7:01 pm Link to this comment

well vector, during a war you expect massive violence
and death…..during protests calling for human rights
and political enfranchisement you generally don’t
expect death tolls in the thousands…...


perhaps that accounts for some of the frequent mention
of the savagery inflicted by the Syrian goon squads.

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By heterochromatic, February 19, 2012 at 6:51 pm Link to this comment

I do believe that what Greenwald failed to mention
was that Iran said that if attacked they would attack
Americans and they would do so without regard as to
whether it was America that was attacking Iran…...

this is a rather large deviation from self-defense or
any reasonable response.


Makes about as much sense as if an attack upon US
interests from Lebanese Hezbollah was met with an
attack against Iran.


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let us indeed not hasten to war with Iran but let us
recognize that the Iranian regime is not innocent
lambs or victims of anything or anybody.

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By vector56, February 19, 2012 at 5:41 pm Link to this comment

While listening to the news today concerning the unrest in Syria the person reporting the story used the words “violence” and “bloodshed” 8 times in the space of 5 minutes. When reporting on “Operation Desert Storm”, or “Operation Iraqi Freedom” it was very rare (if ever) to hear such words equated to the millions we killed? The language of the Corporate Media is very controlled. When our Troops commit “unimaginable” violence (their job) it is referred to as a “mission”; when the other guys kill, it is called blood thirsty unimaginable evil!  Our emotions are played like a Stradivarius.

I also heard that the CIA was working with al-Qaeda in Syria to bring down the Assad government. I found this a little hard to believe, but then I remembered that the CIA and Mossad were working with known “Terrorist” groups in Iran to murder their Scientist. Kinda makes this so-called never ending war on terror look fake!

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By prisnersdilema, February 19, 2012 at 5:07 pm Link to this comment

That Erin worked on Wall Street was a surprise to me, and sent up a red flag.

But lately, her non stop vilification of Iran, has made it seem like we’ve already
gone to DEFCON 4.

I did listen to someone else today on CNN, Farid Zakaria, make a strong anti War
statement, the jist of which was that a cold war was better than a hot war.

As someone else said earlier, we need to bring our troops home. The American
people are sick and tired of the one per centers, using our kids, as cannon fodder.

I read somewhere the other day that Sarah Palin favors a new 911 investigation,
that should make the right wing go nuts.

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By blogdog, February 19, 2012 at 4:36 pm Link to this comment

RE: Bring the troops home and try to make peace with these countries instead of threatening them.

Hear! Hear!

problem is that the US Military no longer serves the US Citizenry and their Constitution - it’s been hijacked by the Global Finance Oligarchy - mission: destabilize resistant regimes and fail states dedicated to protecting their populations, make room for more compliant puppet regimes that protect globalists’ interests over the interests of their citizens

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By JimBob, February 19, 2012 at 3:59 pm Link to this comment

Please stop putting Erin Burnett’s picture up on the site. 
It’s exactly what she wants; she’d say just about anything
for the attention she’s getting.

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By moonraven, February 19, 2012 at 2:26 pm Link to this comment

PatrickHenry:  The mistake may have been their openness about Al Qaeda being on the US government payroll after they cooked up that fake extrajudicial killing of Bin Laden and Al Qaeda and the CIA ran the operation in Libya.

And as soon as the US troops were deployed from raq to Libya, Al Qaeda’s forces escalated the conflict in Syria.

Iranians are not fools—at least not the ones I have known in the Gulf.  They can look back to Al Qaeda’s creation by the CIA in Afghanistan during the conflict with the USSR, and they know that once you are a CIA operator, you are always one.  Luis Posada’s impune mamboing around Miami is proof of that.

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By PatrickHenry, February 19, 2012 at 2:17 pm Link to this comment

The booga booga al qaeda under your bed machine’s plan has backfired. 

Countries of that region are uniting against what they see as U.S. lawlessness and I as an American agree with them. 

http://www.examiner.com/law-enforcement-in-national/pakistan-sides-with-iran-against-u-s

Bring the troops home and try to make peace with these countries instead of threatening them.

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By gerard, February 19, 2012 at 1:45 pm Link to this comment

Another war brought to us by the 1%, and another human tragedy that “doesn’t need to be happening.”
Just say NO!

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By Amon Drool, February 19, 2012 at 12:51 pm Link to this comment

dog…yeah..i know…Taibbi’s piece was pretty weak. 
but it was am improvement over the stuff concerning
iran and syria that’s been put up by TD over the last 2
weeks.

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By blogdog, February 19, 2012 at 11:38 am Link to this comment

ARK can post the likes of Matt Taibbi at Rolling Stone (which seems to assume it
carries journalistic wight through its name alone) and pretend to show fresh
enlightenment and balance after months of carrying only MSM agitprop.

Of course TD is too cautious to cite anything as insightful as this:
Webster Tarpley in Iran: “US wages wars to avoid dollar collapse”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWkVbsdGbLw&feature=player_embedded

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By Amon Drool, February 19, 2012 at 10:20 am Link to this comment

ARK…i was beginning to think you were to the
‘humanitarian’ interventionists (susan rice, samantha
powers) of the obama administration what judith miller
was to the neocons in the bush administration. .  .thx
for posting this

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