there were many Republicans and many members of the
State Department who understood that supporting Israel
would lose us many friends among the Arabs.

it was not a particularly difficult thing to figure
out.

the keyboard is blameless. my skills were never
sufficient and my eyesight is poor these days.

Heterochromatic

I do admit that he was a Republican that was outspoken in his belief that Israel would some day become a major Liability of the United States by becoming too powerful in United states Policies.

By the way you need to spank your keyboard for misspelling his name.

omop,

Lindsay Graham

Never allow a situation to develop that would destroy the Jewish state.”

Proactive paranoia defines the Jewish state of mind.

The US occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan, meddling in Pakistan and current manevolent diplomacy demonstrated daily against Iran prove to me we need new leaders.

Cliff-good to see that you’re linking to a site that
quotes Foster Dulees, a disasterously bad Secretary of
State and the chief enthusiast for the coup against
Mossadegh, the very fool that foisted it upon
Eisenhower after Truman and Rusk had refused to
authorize it and had warned that it would be a fiasco.

bravo (as usual) Cliff…..

omop

http://mediamonitors.net/khodr49.html

omop here is something to go with your comment.

PH AND CC.
 

Reuters reports.

US General called puppet of Iran by Bibi Nethanyahu.

Gen. Dempsey denounced a strike on Iran in the near future as
“destabilizing” and “not prudent” over the weekend while speaking to
CNN in regards to America and Israel’s effort to prevent Tehran from
developing a nuclear warhead. Israel Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu
has now addressed that statement himself, calling into question the US
official’s intentions.

Netanyahu is now suggesting that the US is adopting policies that will
favor Iran, and not their historical ally: Israel.

McCain sides with Netanyahu against top US general

U.S. Senator John McCain speaks during a news conference in Tripoli
February 22, 2012 (Reuters / Anis Mili)

When Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu charged US General Martin
Dempsey as a puppet of Iran this week, two top-ranking US lawmakers
were also visiting abroad.

Neither Senators John McCain nor Lindsey Graham came to refute those
claims, however.

Responding to US Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman General Martin
Dempsey’s reasoning that a strike on Iran would be“destabilizing” for
peace talks and “not prudent” for America’s efforts, PM Binyamin
Netanyahu critiqued the respected military official this week as unwilling
to aid the allied Israel.

Dempsey’s comments, said the prime minister, “served the Iranians” and
would only worsen international relations when all parties are attempting
a resolution for the conflict.

Israel and neighboring Iran are currently at odds, and some members of
the American intelligence community are concerned that Tehran could be
working towards procuring a nuclear warhead. President Obama has
publically expressed resolving the matter with words, to which Israel has
charged him with being “hesitant” and have hinted at attacking their
enemy themselves.

Over the weekend, Gen. Dempsey added that a US-led attack would not
resolve the matter and said that an immediate strike “wouldn’t achieve
their long-term objectives.”

Netanyahu was fast to come down on Dempsey from Israel. Also on
location, however, were Senators McCain and Graham, who were quick to
comment on the back-and-forth, all while failing to come to the defense
of the general.

Siding separately from Dempsey, McCain told reporters in Jerusalem on
Tuesday that “There should be no daylight between America and Israel in
our assessment of the [Iranian] threat.”
“Unfortunately there clearly is some,” added the Senator.

The remarks came only hours after the senator sat down with Netanyahu,
who just earlier had called Dempsey a servant of Iran.

McCain added that the differences between how Washington and
Jerusalem view Iran has caused “significant tension,” and according to
the senator, “there is very little doubt that Iran has so far been
undeterred to get nuclear weapons.” As rumors abound, however, there
has yet to be any confirmation as to the progress of the alleged nuke
procurement.

Responding to the disagreement between allies, McCain said, “obviously
it’s not helpful if there is a well-publicized tension between the US and
Israel. We would like to see the United States and Israel agree on course
of action that will lead us toward a goal we both share.” Although the US
has not taken Israel’s heed to hit Iran yet, Washington currently
contributes around $3 billion annually to Jerusalem.

When Senator Lindsey Graham was asked for his input, he remarked from
overseas “I admire General Dempsey,” but was reluctant to defend his
allegation of a strike be destabilizing. “People are giving Israel a lot of
advice here lately from America,” said Graham. “I just want to tell our
Israeli friends that my advice to you is never lose control of your destiny.
Never allow a situation to develop that would destroy the Jewish state.”

Cliff,

Calm yourself.  I asked for proof of the Saudi denial.  You ultimately did that.  The Saudi State news agency denied the statement after two sources from diplomatic and military circles confirmed it to be true. - My reply about the CIA controlled media was intended as humor and a shout-out to PHimmler and blogdog.

The second link you shared was in regard to a Saudi denial that King Abdullah made his statement to President Obama.  That, Cliff, was news to me as that was not what Georges Malbrunot reported.

You appear to be going to terrific lengths in avoidance of answering a single and direct question. - Do you or not believe Iran has not attacked another country in the past 200 years? 

As a preemption, or rather in anticipation of your reply, keep in mind there is no need for me to prove Iran has invaded another country because (as you misread) that was never my question.

By IMax, February 24 at 3:14 am Link to this comment
“My how you go on, Cliff.”
“So, you found a report in an Israeli publication stating how the King of Saudi Arabia denies telling President Obama that Iran and Israel had no right to exist.  That’s interesting.  I had no idea that was ever at issue.”

Imax, your response demonstrates exactly what I have been writing concerning your disregard for the truth.  This seems to have all started with a statement to you about what you reported King Abdullah was reported to have said.  My response was:  “Imax, Saudi Arabia has denied that story.”

The following is a chronology of our communication beginning with your original statement.

Imax:  February 20 at 9:37 am statement
To:  Cliff Carson,
” I believe there’s a reason why, in June 2010, King Abdullah stated “there are two countries in the world that do not deserve to exist: Iran and Israel.”

And my response:
Cliff Carson, February 20 at 7:06 pm
“Imax, Saudi Arabia has denied that story.”

Bringing this response from you:
By IMax, February 22 at 6:22 pm Link to this comment
Cliff, - ‘Imax, Saudi Arabia has denied that story.”
“If that be true please prove it.  Otherwise I have, what appears to be, a solid quote from the King of Saudi Arabia from a solid source.”

To which I replied:
Cliff Carson, February 22 at 6:54 pm
“IMax give a link to your source and I will go read it.”

And your reply ( abridged):
IMax, February 22 at 7:19 pm
Cliff Carson,
You are too much, Cliff.  You jump in and announce how wrong I am and offer nothing in refute.  You then nearly demand I back up my every word.
I believe you searched my quote of the Saudi King and found roughly 10,700 results (0.27 seconds) and didn’t know how to begin to refute the quote.
I have no chance against such dishonesty.  I’ll not even try.  Either directly address my questions or tell us you don’t have the answers.
From me you’ll get precisely the respect you offer.

So I answered ( abridged):
Cliff Carson, February 22 at 9:26 pm
This what you are whining for IMax?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jul/2/saudi-arabia-denies-report-on-israel-iran/

You came back with ( abridged):
IMax, February 23 at 4:07 am
I asked you to prove the denial (preferably in Arabic).  Not quote from the “CIA controlled corporate media”, idiot. LMAO

Therefore I sent you an Israeli source ( abridged):
Cliff Carson, February 23 at 8:07 pm
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/138412
IMax, I give you an Israeli media report of the Denial this time.

Your response ( abridged):
IMax, February 24 at 3:14 am
“So, you found a report in an Israeli publication stating how the King of Saudi Arabia denies telling President Obama that Iran and Israel had no right to exist.  That’s interesting.  I had no idea that was ever at issue.”

Imax,You ending statement floored me:
“I had no idea that was ever at issue.”
The hell you say!  You are the one who started this crap.

I went thru this BS exercise to prove what an insane approach you present relating to what is said and how you seem to perceive it.  You are sick between the ears madam.

I also have Iranian family members, as you claim your Husband is Iranian.  They think life could be better than it currently is, but they think much of the blame lies with United States Hegemony and its incessant actions to provoke a war.  They, as I do, believe it is a vicious attempt to dominate the Middle East and yep - take charge of the Oil and Gas.

Is your husband Jewish or Shiite or other?

PHimmler, - “Here are your 10 excellent reasons to attack Iran.’

-

Omop had already copy and pasted parts of that article on this thread.  It’s unfortunate that omop attempted to pass it off as his or her own.

BTW;  I’ve never advocated attacking Iran.  I advocated a discussion of the many reason why Iran’s closest neighbors fear Iran as a nuclear weapons state.  A discussion you refuse to participate in as it would only prove to distract from your reason for breathing here.

As is your habit you imagined what is not there.

My how you go on, Cliff. 

I asked a direct question.  Do you believe Iran has not attacked another country in 200 years?  Is there an answer anywhere in our future?

-

So, you found a report in an Israeli publication stating how the King of Saudi Arabia denies telling President Obama that Iran and Israel had no right to exist.  That’s interesting.  I had no idea that was ever at issue.

I thank you for the article, however.  You’ll see how that report supports some of what I have written here.

”King Abdullah has said he is concerned by the growing nuclear threat posed by IRAN. As a Persian and not an Arab country, Iran is not part of the Arab League, is distrusted by most Muslim states in the region, and threatens to become the dominant power in the Muslim world.”

“Saudi Arabia does not recognize Israel, and distances itself from any association with Israel officials or even shaking hands with them. The Saudi 2002 Initiative calls on Israel to surrender all of the land restored to the country in the Six Day War in 1967, in return for normalization of relations with the Arab world. There is no specific mention of recognizing Israel as a country.”

Of course Mr. Himmler will claim none of it can be true seeing how it was reported in a Juden publication.  A publication, I should add, I had not previously seen.

Thanks again for the assistance.  How about that question I asked days ago?  Any answer coming soon?

Bookends,

Here are your 10 excellent reasons to attack Iran.

http://www.trueactivist.com/10-excellent-reasons-to-attack-iran/

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/138412

IMax, I give you an Israeli media report of the Denial this time.  This report also says that the Saudi Government denied any such statement.  My original statement to you was “Imax, Saudi Arabia has denied that story.”  Your lying eyes must have misled you or, possibly it was just mischievous tinkering by you.

You know what I said, you can look it up on this thread if you have forgotten, you can also look up one of the other replies to you where I spelled out exactly what I am saying here although this time I am using an Israeli report of the denial.

I never said the story was true because I don’t know whether it is or not, I just gave you the report.  I know that unless you were at that meeting , neither do you.

I said that the story was hearsay but you must have been uninterested in what was written.  I mentioned that since the reporter wasn’t at the meeting and he heard the story from a third party, who was also not at the meeting, the initial report that the King said Israel and Iran did not deserve to exist must be just hearsay.

Since the King and his visitor were meeting in private, I also said the verification by the Newspaper had to be a hearsay source.
But you have been a total ass in your replies and your revisionist reports of what I and others write .  The fact that you can go back and see what was actually written, but don’t, reveals your character and it seems that making a fool of yourself does not to deter you from “spinning”.  Spin is a form of lie as you should know from your cavalier attitude about truth.

Not much of a person to have a worthwhile conversation with.

maxipad,

I believe Israel has conducted its affairs horrifically on many occasion.  I would be unable to point any finger at any one party in that centuries old conflict. 

It reads like you are actually able to blame Israel for its behavior except…. 

A true apoligist.

http://theintelhub.com/2012/02/23/irresponsible-anti-iranian-fear-mongering/

“If you are going to fault Iran as you have then by your own admission admitted Israel sucks as well.  At least It’s a start.”

-

Mr. Himmler,

Unfortunately this is no beginning.  This only affirms your inability to hear.

——“second-class citizens w/o legal rights or recourse to courts of laws for
redress of injuries done to them” caveat is subjective ....——-

no that is not subjective that was black-letter law under the Ottomans

and, while it’s NOT black-letter law for the Palestinians living under the
occupation….....I pretty much agree with you about it…..and if Israel keeps
degenerating it become black-letter law.

the way that the israelis have pushed the palestinians out of Jerusalem is gross
and indefensible despite the history of shit that went on earlier against the Jews.

Homoerotic,

Your supporting link defines that only after 1920 and the Askenazi immigration.

Your adding the “second-class citizens w/o legal rights or recourse to courts of laws for redress of injuries done to them” caveat is subjective and the same can be said of the Palestinians today living in the occupied territories under the jewish thumb.

Non Ashkenazi Jews and Arabs have lived together peaceably for thousands of years and the minority jewish population were regarded as a ‘protected minority’ as ‘people of the book’.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_–_Jewish_relations

People on different sides of the same coin.

Patty,

the Jews and Arabs in palestine got on for several centuries with the Jews enjoying
all the benefits of being second-class citizens w/o legal rights or recourse to
courts of laws for redress of injuries done to them.

it was only after the Balfour Declaration that Arabs got idginant at the idea that
change was going to come and didn’t start murdering jews until 1920.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_Palestine_riots

Maxipad,

Israel has only been around for 63 years, prior to that the jews and muslims got along rather peaceably.  In those 63 years Israel has managed to piss off all it’s neighbors and be voted by the UN as the greatest threat to world peace.

If you are going to fault Iran as you have then by your own admission admitted Israel sucks as well.  At least It’s a start.

You may be asked to turn in you ZOA decoder pin.

No, Heinrich.  I believe Israel has conducted its affairs horrifically on many occasion.  I would be unable to point any finger at any one party in that centuries old conflict.  It’s all very brutal.

Iran West ties-News Analysis-02-20-2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9NxP2F892bI#!

Maxipad,

Do you believe Israel has only defended itself in the past 64 years?

Wanker EROCHROMA’s delusional view… “Israel long had nukes of their
own and all the technical knowledge that
they needed before ..........

Pollard gave them information about Syrian, Iraqi, Libyan and
Iranian nuclear, chemical, and biological warfare capabilities…...

And thats why the US has had him incarcerated for decades??????

Could be heetro suffers from selective amnesia.

Now address another, Cliff.

Do you believe Iran has not attacked another country in the past 200 years?

Cliff Carson,

Wow. You actually addressed a question head-on.  “Now you need to go ask for (corporate shill, Benjamin Birnbaum’s) sources since it appears what he is reporting is hearsay; Lord you are eaten alive with ignorant.”

This is where I first became aware of King Abdullah’s sentiment toward both Iran and Israel.

“The scoop comes from Georges Malbrunot, a French journalist with Le Figaro. Malbrunot, a respected Middle East correspondent who spent four months as a hostage of the Islamic Army in Iraq, goes on to report that two sources, from diplomatic and military circles, have confirmed the story. He suggests that the anger directed as Israel was the result of the IDF raid on the Gaza-bound flotilla, which occurred just days before this outburst.”

I asked you to prove the denial (preferably in Arabic).  Not quote from the “CIA controlled corporate media”, idiot. LMAO

Blogdog, here is where I made a statement about the King’s statement and the Iran invasions.  You can see what I wrote and you can also see by reading thru this thread how my statement has been mis-represented by IMax and cohorts.  This is nothing unusual.

My link for the History of Iran Wars begins a few thousand years ago and comes forward.  Why I excluded the Russian wars in the 200 years statement is because I knew that un-named Trolls would use the 1800’s attempts of Iran to regain territory taken from them in the 1700’s as a refutation of the 200 year statement.  As you read below this you will see that I made the exception with my original statement.  And you can go there and read it to verify what I have said.  As to links I have placed, you can find where I entered them by going thru the thread.
If you can’t find them let me know and I will find them for you.  Going to the original post:
 
By Cliff Carson, February 20 at 7:06 pm Link to this comment

By IMax, February 20 at 9:37 am Link to this comment

IMax, February 20 at 9:37 am Link to this comment

To:  Cliff Carson,

” I believe there’s a reason why, in June 2010, King Abdullah stated “there are two countries in the world that do not deserve to exist: Iran and Israel.”

Imax, Saudi Arabia has denied that story.

I asked you earlier in this thread to provide links to the proof that Iran has invaded another Country in the last 200 years.  I disregard the conflicts with Russia around 1810 or so since Russia was in Iran previous territory because it had invaded Iran.

When can I expect to see those links?

Right to exist?

Iran.

http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/?p=24264

Saudia Arabia

http://middleeast.about.com/od/arabisraeliconflict/qt/me081115.htm

They both entertain it, but it would help if Israel would write a constitution, define borders and leave the Palestinian lands and people alone.

Tic,

A disinformation volunteer is more like it. 

You proffer unsupported inneuendo as fact, then sarcasm in a questionable attempt at humor. 

Ha ha ha funny, I guess you had to be there.

Clif: I went through that way back at the beginning of the thread:

By blogdog, February 20 at 10:03 am Link to this comment

Q: how does such hearsay serve to explain why Iran has launched no invasions in
modern times?

This what you are whining for IMax?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jul/2/saudi-arabia-denies-report-on-israel-iran/

“Saudi Arabia denied reports Friday that King Abdullah had said in private that “two states in the region do not deserve to exist: Israel and Iran.”

This is what I said to you:  That Saudi Arabia has denied it.  Go read my post.

I think what you are referring to is a statement by a French Journalist:

“The scoop comes from Georges Malbrunot, a French journalist with Le Figaro. Malbrunot, a respected Middle East correspondent who spent four months as a hostage of the Islamic Army in Iraq, goes on to report that two sources, from diplomatic and military circles, have confirmed the story.”

You need to ask Georges Malbrunot for his sources since it appears what he is reporting is hearsay; Lord you are eaten alive with ignorant.  You should know by now that when I state something I always have a Link to back it up.  It is you that doesn’t show links, you call for links then whine like a little kid that the link doesn’t say what you want it to say.

better than you can imagine - why? so easy to undermine your pathetically weak
excuse for polemics - why? pure agitprop -  e.g:

Panetta: Iran not trying to build a nuke…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdiGahJItOA

just a reminder, puppy, that I’m not on assignment from anybody.

have a biscuit and be a good boy.

takes all kinds - the web, what vehicle for reliving those ‘glory days’? - some can’t
get enough, bet you’re one, and in good-cop mood tonight

I’m a volunteer….

http://youtu.be/6ljxpyH4dnA

at least I was the day this was recorded.

tell it any way you will - what looks more and more certain by the day is the
mission you’ve been assigned

dog______ just as i’m sure that the iranians have a nuclear weapons program
designed to allow them to assemble nukes should they decide to do so, I’m even
more certain that israel has assembled nukes.

Cliff Carson,

You are too much, Cliff.  You jump in and announce how wrong I am and offer nothing in refute.  You then nearly demand I back up my every word.

I believe you searched my quote of the Saudi King and found roughly 10,700 results (0.27 seconds) and didn’t know how to begin to refute the quote.

I have no chance against such dishonesty.  I’ll not even try.  Either directly address my questions or tell us you don’t have the answers.

From me you’ll get precisely the respect you offer.

of course IAEA can’t prove anything - they don’t even get in for a looksee - but
speculation is more heavily fueled of late ... e.g.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=USzEMSXdf_w&feature=fvwp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwG1R1tcicQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwDxFfrA1oQ&feature=related

IMax give a link to your source and I will go read it.

hetero,

I understand the IAEA has uncovered no conclusive evidence that Israel has a nuclear weapons program.  I understand the very real possibility Israel has used a policy of ambiguity as its main deterrent from the proven threats which surround this tiny state.

With that said; I believe Israel likely possess nuclear weapons or, at the very least, the no less important breakout capabilities.

Yes, I believe Israel possesses nuclear weapons.  Interestingly enough, as it turns out, it is only when Iraq, Syria, or Iran begins to near those same capabilities do nations such as Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and the UAE publicly promise a great race for their own.

Cliff, - ‘Imax, Saudi Arabia has denied that story.”

-

If that be true please prove it.  Otherwise I have, what appears to be, a solid quote from the King of Saudi Arabia from a solid source.

Do you believe Iran has not attacked another country in the past 200 years?

sorry Patt but I thought that it was transparent sarcasm.

Cliff—CFR is a one world government organization??

I had been working under the assumption that you had some problems, but I
hadn’t realize that you were quite that screwy.

“The issue of Israels right to exist isn’t a problem with most countries, its right to exist as a Jewish state is, that is the non starter.”

-

You’re right.  Most countries recognize Israel’s right to exist.  I’ve never claimed anything otherwise.

O.K., which nations do not recognize Israel’s right to exist?  Israel’s surrounding neighbors?  Iran?  The Saudi Arabia?  Syria?

The article notes Erin Burnett seemingly shilling for war with Iran.  This should be no surprise, she is a member of the Council on foreign Relations, a One World Government organization.  The overview plan of the CFR is to manage the World (Financially and Politically) for the benefit of its members.  That includes fomenting wars of profit and positions of World Power.

This organization is the most powerful,IMO,of the groups that form the 1% and actually run the United states.

She is a shill for the New World Order and that is why she is a Media personality.  Keep in mind that she was brought thru the Financial World of the Wall Street gang.  One of her previous gigs was attacking “Occupy Wall Street”.

Some of her cohorts are active on this very thread.
Anyone want to guess who they are?

Where’s you proof of that or am I just suppose to believe you.

yawn.

El Baradei looked at them picture P, and says it’s not real proof that the Izzies have
bombs.

I believe Israel possesses nuclear weapons.  You and I can resume this conversation when you prove your latest claim.

1. Prove that EVERYONE KNOWS.
2. Prove what EVERYONE KNOWS!

How about pictures? bee’atch.

http://www.vanunu.com/uscampaign/photos.html

IMax, the IAEA has uncovered no conclusive evidence that Israel has a nuclear
weapons program or has assembled nukes. matter of fact, the IAEA hasn’t found
any evidence at all.

The IAEA did find that the Syrians were not in compliance with their treaty
obligations, but Israel was kind enough to help the Syrians be a little less non-
compliant.

http://carnegieendowment.org/2011/06/17/iaea-and-syria-new-paradigm-for-
noncompliance/270

maxipad,

The issue of Israels right to exist isn’t a problem with most countries, its right to exist as a Jewish state is, that is the non starter.

Its apartheid, pure and simple.  Unequal rights based on religion or culture is not a democracy.

For once I agree with you tic, Pollard sold secrets to Israel (for money) and Israel sold them to Russia and China where at least 8 undercover operatives lost their lives.  The secrets the Israelis didn’t sell were stolen by Russian moles inside Israel’s intelligence apparatus.

PHimmler,

Your hate of the Juden will almost certainly lead us to war.  Israel will likely not allow inspections or reductions of nuclear weapons or facilities until you and your ilk recognize and reconcile with Israel’s right to exist.  Congratulations, you’ve created a stalemate rooted in hate.

omop, - “ALL THE WORLD KNOWS (Israel) has over 200 NUCLEAR BOMBS.”

-

I believe Israel possesses nuclear weapons.  You and I can resume this conversation when you prove your latest claim.

1. Prove that EVERYONE KNOWS.
2. Prove what EVERYONE KNOWS!

nope. I want his traitorous ass in jail for life.

Bradley Manning shouldn’t have to serve more than a couple of years, since he’s
just a little confused asshole, but Pollard should pay full price for his crimes.

maybe if you grow up, mophead, you’ll be able to see things as more than white
and black.

romatic;

sounds like you and Pollar were or are amigos

or is it confidantes?

romatic;

sounds like you and Pollar were or are amigos

or is confidantes.

mop—- Israel long had nukes of their own and all the technical knowledge that
they needed before Pollard gave them information about Syrian, Iraqi, Libyan and
Iranian nuclear, chemical, and biological warfare capabilities

IMAX.

Shared your comment [...Now let’s go back to the global issue on the
frightening prospect of a nuclear arms race in the Middle East…] with
uncle Zebbo up in the Ozarks.

He wanted to know where were you when Jon. Pollard gave all the
nuclear secret stuff to Isreal who as ALL THE WORLD KNOWS has over
200 NUCLEAR BOMBS.

Were you not frightened at that time about a nuclear arms race in the
ME?

Until Israel discloses its nuclear arsenal and signs the NTP allowing inspections of its facilities will there be a fair and equitable solution.

“anti-Semitism is a European phenomenon”

-

From my perspective that is largely correct. 

Now let’s go back to the global issue on the frightening prospect of a nuclear arms race in the Middle East.  The subject nearly entirely avoided here.

We all should ask IMAX since she claimed she is married to an Iranian
whether the following facts are true or not about present day Iran…

  ‘Anti-Semitism is not an eastern phenomenon, it’s not an Islamic or
Iranian phenomenon – anti-Semitism is a European phenomenon,’
Ciamak Morsathegh, head of the Jewish hospital in Tehran, explained.

Iran’s forty synagogues, many of them with Hebrew schools, haven’t
been touched. Neither has the Jewish library, which boasts twenty
thousand titles, or Jewish hospitals and cemeteries. Still, Iran’s Jews have
not sat idly by.

The Jewish member of the Iranian Majlis, or parliament (most religious
minorities are guaranteed a seat in the parliament), Maurice Mohtamed,
has been outspoken in his condemnation of Ahmadinejad’s comments.”

Well maxi, then your belief system is AFU.

PHimmler,

I do believe you would stand in front of a crowd and steadfastly claim that Khobar Tower was a Juden plot and how the Saudi’s covered for Israel.  You would then go on about how I’m the moron…LOL

Good night, Heinrich.

-

Cliff Carson,

Asking you one simple and direct question you couldn’t answer is, in your world, browbeating.

Good night to you too.

Thanks Cliff,

I tried to use a site without big words and as many pictures as I could.

PatrickHenry, February 21 at 4:22 pm

In 1855 Persia attacked Afghanistan (formerly Persia} and occupied Herat for the 3rd time since 1816.  I know it is within the 200 year timeline but hey, Herat must be a happening place.”

PatrickHenry, The History Guy is a High School Teacher who does delve into history about wars but if you want a really in-depth reading of the continuous ( sporadic to be more concise) back and forth between Russia and Iran, I think you will find that all that came about from Russian dispossession of Iran from part of their territory
originating from invasions from Russia and its allies over years. 

The wars that continued for over a hundred years was the result of Iran trying to regain their territory.

That is why I don’t count those incursions as Iran invading anyone, they are only returning to try to regain what was taken from them by force.

As to IMax and Hetero, they remind me of when IMax and Inherit the Wind, GRYM, and a few others used the pact mentality to try and browbeat people.

They have been active on several sites that I have been on and their behavior has always been just like it is here.

Well then homoerotic, you aren’t as smart as you think you are and BTW your a moron too, in case you felt left out. 

Everyone of those gulf monarchies has multiple US bases on its soil and if are aware of US history once the US moves in it is very difficult if not impossible to get them to leave.

The Saudis continue to resist our efforts to convert them from Wahhabism?  What efforts? 

Maybe we should give them the Iranian treatment, if we were that sincere in our efforts.

Now go back to your monitoring.

maxipad, seldom does one meet a shill with the acumen you posess.

A simple search of enemies of Iran turns up none of the countries you state but article after article implies Israel as the number one cheerleader of conflict against Iran.

The other gulf monarchies stand to profit the most from any oil embargos against Iran by taking up the slack.

“The Saudis claim”

This is your proof?  I wonders who’s head was cut off to gleen this information?

You’re a moron.

doesn’t work, Patty…. the Gulf Arabs aren’t
owned by the US and the Saudis (who actually are
about as fucked-up as the Iranians) use our
protection whenit suits them and continue to resist
our efforts to get them to give up their centuries-
old preaching of Wahhabism.

it was worth a try on your part, but you don’t have
the ability to go more than an inch deep

and had to fall back on bullshit taunts.

sad little soul

Answer the question, Mr. Himmler.

Why is Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Kuwait and the UAE often the nations screaming the loudest in regards to Iranian agents causing “mischief”. Prove to everyone here that these neighboring Arab nations to Iran are, in reality, “Zionist media parrots”.

The Saudis claim that Iran was involved in the Khobar Tower bombing - a clear attack an another nation.  This, according to your view of the world, is the result of a “Zionist” media plot?  You will now somehow prove that, I’m sure.  You will prove that this is not a result of your overactive imagination born of hatred.

Even you bookends must realize that the monarchies of the gulf are part and parcel owned by the US by debt, market and currancy and by in large are worse than Iran.

I don’t hate Jews at all, I’m just disgusted with the Israeli Government and those who support the apartheid state it is, including those zionists here in the U.S. kinda like yourselves.

Now back to your monitoring.

Patty really has difficulty when the conversation gets
more than single slogan deep and is going to have to
find some sneering way to work out how the Gulf Arabs
are all Zionists.

“Accusations of Iranian agents causing mischief are nothing more than that, accusations.  Trumpeted by zionist media and parrots like you and brought to you by the creators of the WMD’s in Iraq.”

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Heinrich,

Now you’ll go about proving how your opinions on that subject are correct, I’m sure.  You will prove your words are not merely the result of hatred for Jews.

I’d like to suggest you begin by explaining why Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Kuwait and the UAE are often the nations screaming the loudest regarding “Iranian agents causing mischief”.  You will prove to everyone here that these neighboring Arab nations to Iran are, in reality, “Zionist media parrots”.

Much luck with that Mr. Himmler.

OK maxipad you got me, there’s no fooling a fool.

http://www.historyguy.com/wars_of_iran.htm

In 1855 Persia attacked Afghanistan (formerly Persia} and occupied Herat for the 3rd time since 1816.  I know it is within the 200 year timeline but hey, Herat must be a happening place.

Accusations of Iranian agents causing mischief are nothing more than that, accusations.  Trumpeted by zionist media and parrots like you and brought to you by the creators of the WMD’s in Iraq.

omop,

Cutting through the crap has been my point from the start.  Let us see this for what it so obviously is.  A global issue.  And what is that issue?

- There is but one nation which supports Iran becoming a nuclear weapon state, Syria.  All others are adamantly opposed.  This includes Russia, China, France, Britain, Germany, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and every nation which surrounds Iran, both near and far.  This is very nearly unanimous.

- The neo-conservative theocracy of Iran appears determined to achieve what nearly the entire world, particularly Iran’s closest neighbors, is determined to prevent.  That is an Iran with nuclear weapons capabilities.

- Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, the UAE and even Turkey (Iran’s closest trading partner) have stated their very real fear of a nuclear weapons race if Iran becomes a “nuclear power”.  The Saudi’s, the Egyptians, and the Jordanians have already publicly stated their intention to begin their own nuclear weapons programs if Iran were to succeed.

- Iran appears to believe, with good cause I would add, that becoming a nuclear weapon state would give it both stature and protection.  The Iranian government seems determined to proceed.

These are the global issues laid bare.  I have yet to see one person here deal with these fundamental issues or present a single possible solution.  These threads, throughout this entire site, are full to the brim with a single topic.  U.S. foreign and domestic policy.  It’s only in the United States I have seen this phenomena.

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I pine for broomsticks up people’s derriers?  I fear brown men with beards?  How do you come up with such things?  Do you think like that?  LOL

I am ashamed of you people.  This has got to be the silliest thread yet posted on truthdig.

And the pathetic part is that you folks have nothing better to do than post sandbox insults that kindergarten kids would be ashamed of.

omop,

My views are indicative of someone who is afraid of brown men with beards?

IMAX…..

Sounds like your pining for the days the SAVAk pushed broomsticks up
people’s derriers…..

Here’s several observations about ur favorite topic IRAN.

1. Iran has threatened to fight back if attacked, and that’s a war crime.
War crimes must be punished.

2. My television says Iran has nukes.  I’m sure it’s true this time.  Just like
with North Korea.  I’m sure they’re next.  We only bomb places that really
truly have nukes and are in the Axis of Evil.  Except Iraq, which was
different.

3. Iraq didn’t go so badly. Considering how lousy its government is, the
place is better off with so many people having left or died.  Really, that
one couldn’t have worked out better if we’d planned it.

4. When we threaten to cut off Iran’s oil, Iran threatens to cut off Iran’s
oil, which is absolutely intolerable.  What would we do without that oil?
And what good is buying it if they want to sell it?

5. Iran was secretly behind 9-11. I read it online. And if it wasn’t, that’s
worse. Iran hasn’t attacked another nation in centuries, which means its
next attack is guaranteed to be coming very soon.

6. Iranians are religious nuts, unlike Israelis and Americans.  Most
Israelis don’t want to attack Iran, but the Holy Israeli government does.
To oppose that decision would be to sin against God.

7. Iranians are so stupid that when we murder their scientists they try to
hire a car dealer in Texas to hire a drug gang in Mexico to murder a
Saudi ambassador in Washington, and then they don’t do it—just to
make us look bad for catching them.

7. b. Oh, and stupid people should be bombed.  They’re not civilized.

8. War is good for the U.S. economy, and the Iranian economy too. 
Troops stationed in Iran would buy stuff.  And women who survived the
war would have more rights.  Like in Virginia.  We owe Iranians this after
that little mishap in 1953.

9. This is the only way to unite the region.  Either we bomb Iran and it
swears its eternal love to us.  Or, if necessary, we occupy Iran to liberate
it like its neighbors.  Which shouldn’t take long.  Look how well
Afghanistan is going already.

10. They won’t give our drone back.  Enough said.

By David Swanson.

Iran is no longer the issue here IMAX you are.

And you have made it that way. So, in a way its important that you have finally, tried to
get real.

omop,

My views are indicative of someone who is afraid of brown men with beards?  Is that the best you can imagine?  Is it really as simple as that?  You’re not capable of imagining anything else?  Consider for a moment that it may be you who is frightened and terrifically limiting your scope.

My Husband is Persian.  Nearly his entire family reside in Iran.  I know the language and I know the culture.  Now try and imagine other, much wider, reasons I speak of the Islamic Republic of Iran as I do.

Here’s an interesting observation from my perspective.  Nearly everyone on this “progressive” web site mimics the views and statements of the most conservative theological leaders in Iran today.  It’s as if you’ll all turn your backs to progressive thinkers in Iran so that you can continue your hate of Israel and disdain for U.S. foreign policy. 

Here’s another observation.  When my husband lived only in Iran he believed his most active enemy was Israel.  Now that he’s out from under the Iranian “news” agencies he believes Iran’s most active enemy resides in Riyadh.  He also believes the best friend the Iranian people have in the world reside in Washington D.C..  Imagine that, if you are able.

IMax,

Your writing is indicative of someone having flown recently and had a
seat next to Juan Williams…..u might remember Juan saying he would be
scared sh_*t**ss siting next to a bearded man.

Ur right the subjet here is Iran as of the moment with NO bombs on the
verge of attacking Russia and China at the urgings of the Israeli.

Since you brought Savannah, how about that Frenchman Dominique
Strauss C. [ex head of the IMF] living in a bordello in Paris as the British
website Daily Mail reports. Sad, very sad.

No not really… more distortions…violence can always be used to justify more
violence…thats your point.  Justifying violence, without any compassion for the
victims of that violence, and the innocents that have been killed.

Do you deny that you are a liar?

omop,

The subject here is Iran.  But of course, like every other thread on this site, the only subject discussed here covers the United States and Israel.  As far as I can tell it matters not where in the world or the nations involved.  The subject here never changes. 

Did you see what took place in New Delhi recently? - No, but I saw what the Israelis did in Sacramento in 1953.  Did you happen to catch events in Georgia a few weeks ago? - What, Jews attacked Savannah?

Good grief!

A state of open hostilities exists between Iran, and this country it has for some
time. With this countries political apparatus attempting to destroy the Iranian
government by any means necessary.

The Iran Iraq war was just such an attempt. Using our political tool, Saddam. Both
sides lost many millions killed. Iran was the clear victor.  Then also we supplied
Saddam with poison gas which he used against the Kurds, which in itself was a war
crime.

Then we turned around and dumped Saddam, even when he offered to leave the
country to avoid a war. Because it was useful for us to do so.

Currently, our government with it’s allies is financing and training terrorists to
work inside Iran, including the killing of Iranian scientists. Thats right we and our
allies are funding and training terrorists. We are also using Al Caeda, in Syria.

What happened to the war on Terror? How can we win the war on Terror when we
are at least partly responsible for creating terrorists?

So why would we be surprised and outraged if Iran were to do likewise. Because
we are not interested in the truth only in justifying our aggression.

Then there was the joint chiefs assessment of Iran’s nuclear capabilities, that
indicated that Iran was not attempting to develop nuclear weapons, that was
ignored by the senate.  And since Iran is a signatory to the nuclear non
proliferation treaty, it has a right to enrich Uranium, as do all of the signatories to
that treaty.

The continued counter intelligence and war mongering, by paid shills is to be
expected. Their paranoid, use of half truths and misdirection is necessary to
create fear and suspicion to further justify, the loss of freedoms in this country
and the fascism they so desire.

As Matt Tabbi pointed out in his post, the same drum beat of lies, and distortions
that led to our disastrous attack on Iraq, is occurring now toward Iran. This time
however, it is more difficult to manipulate and distort things to those ends,
because the people of this country have become more aware of their tactics.
Consequently this has resulted in more transparent attempts at distortion.

The one per centers and their government are criminally insane, they are bent on
destroying Iran, they have been from the beginning. They don’t really care what
the consequences are, or who they have to murder to get there. Yes, bullies
usually are surprised when their intended victims stand up for themselves.  Their
outrage is a result of their narcissism.

Using peaceful means, and reconciliation with Iran, their regime would fade away
in time. Unfortunately, when your dealing with a mental disorder on the part of
our political apparatus and our allies, only violence will do.  They want bloody
revenge against the Iranians, for not doing as their told by us, and that’s all this is
about.

Who cares about all this “Iran back” talk?

Straight from le cheval’s mouth…. ‘We possess several hundred atomic
warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions,
perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets of our air force.’

- Professor Martin Van Crevel, Israeli professor and military historian

PHimmler,

Seriously?  You know of no Iranian aggression anywhere in the world over the last 200 years?  I find that absolutely incredible.  One would need to willfully turn one’s back every few weeks to be so unaware.

But then the reality is that discussing these matters with you is not so simple, is it?  I know from past conversations how you’re already aware of Iranian rockets used against Israel.  You’re already aware of the decades long aggression between Saudis Arabia and Iran.  You’re already aware of the decades long aggression between Iran and Iraq.  We’ve discussed the tensions and back and forth hostilities between Jordan and Iran.  You’re also claiming (I would say pretending) not to know anything of Khobar Towers. 

How about the past five or so weeks?  Examples such as New Delhi, Georgia, Bangkok and Washington - No I’ll not post links.  You wish to know what I’m referring to?  Look these things up yourself - New Delhi, Georgia, Bangkok and Washington.

I see you, Heinrich.  I see your lies, contortions, and over-the-top excuses.  This is one individual you haven’t fooled.

tic, minimax,

Still waiting for ‘proof’ from you on Iranian aggression towards other countries.

I’ve seen your insults now lets see your facts.

yup, suits the pub

wrong side of the pond, dog, gobshite.

sod off, tic - your routine is as flat as the last drop of the last bottle of last night’s
brew - take it back to the pub

when you post shit from a guy who says that 9/11 was pulled off by Snidely
Whiplash and General Bullmoose, then you invite questions about any and all other
stupidities, dog.

you think the military-industrial complex is beyond the awful hoax that the world
isn’t flat?

Make my point or shut the Fuc! up?  That’s the way you talk to people?

usually not… unless I’m being baited about my ‘beliefs’ - again, who cares what
I ‘believe’ and what difference does it make?

My point, anus breath, is in how Webster Tarpley believes the same “false flag”
operations at play in Iran are responsible for the “Global Warming” hoax.  I
disagree.

so, anus breath (?) is that the way you talk to people? thanks for fianlly
making your point, which is terribly confused over Tarpley’s positions.

Yeah, he has his position on ‘global warming’ - and from what I’ve seen, the joury is out.

Conflaiting his position on Global Warming with his position on False Flags is
nonsensical - moreover, there is nothing that compells me to agree with
absolutely every position taken by an insightful analyst

I’m now finished with you.  You are far too much of an ass and life is too
short to willingly subject myself to people like you.  I’ll hope good things for
you.

as you wish - you are not subjecting yourself to anything here - take it easy -
it’s just a bloody blog - where belief-based polemic is BS

as for assessing my ‘character’ (e.g. ...an ass…) - since
you don’t even know me, what does that say about you?

thanks for the good wishes, as passive aggressive as it sounds…
doesn’t quite jibe with anus breath

Cliff Carson,

You’ve injected yourself into my comment toward Mr. Himmler.  I then asked you a straightforward question.  When can I expect a straightforward answer?

Rest assured I’ll not be rushing to meet your demand for links.  You’ve demanded links in support of a contention I never offered.

the removal of Mossadegh didn’t have to lead to Khomeini…..just simple assertion
that it took 25 years of horrendous misrule to do that.

it’s surely not a defense of that stupid and criminal coup.

it certainly no more of a cop=out than is asserting that all of the disgusting nature
of Khomeini’s regime should be pinned on the removal of Mossadegh.

blogdog,

Make my point or shut the Fuc! up?  That’s the way you talk to people? 

My point, anus breath, is in how Webster Tarpley believes the same “false flag” operations at play in Iran are responsible for the “Global Warming” hoax.  I disagree.

I’m now finished with you.  You are far too much of an ass and life is too short to willingly subject myself to people like you.  I’ll hope good things for you.

Is that a cop out?

you get it straight Ari….. nothing in the 53 coup necessitated Khomeini and the
coup didn’t force the Shah to cave in to the Iranian aristocracy and force him to
fail miserably for 25 years.

your analysis doesn’t hold

Get it straight guys.  Khomeini didn’t create the Iran of today.  The west did, by overthrowing Mosadek
in ‘53 and putting the Shah in power.  Savak was worse
than the Stazi, KGB and Hitler’s Gestapo ever could have been.

By IMax, February 20 at 3:53 pm Link to this comment
blogdog,

Do you believe ‘Global Warming’ to be a global fraud?

who cares what I believe and what difference does it make?
belief-based polemics are a fraud - show the facts, link
to analyses of substance, make your point…  or STFU

Cliff____ for whatever it’s worth, the Iran of the last 200 years is not the Iran that
Khomeini created…. the new iran has been violent.

By IMax, February 20 at 9:37 am Link to this comment

IMax, February 20 at 9:37 am Link to this comment

To:  Cliff Carson,

” I believe there’s a reason why, in June 2010, King Abdullah stated “there are two countries in the world that do not deserve to exist: Iran and Israel.”

Imax, Saudi Arabia has denied that story.

I asked you earlier in this thread to provide links to the proof that Iran has invaded another Country in the last 200 years.  I disregard the conflicts with Russia around 1810 or so since Russia was in Iran previous territory because it had invaded Iran.

When can I expect to see those links?

Thank you Matt Taibbi.  The manufactured threats we here about daily are disgusting.  The belief that Iran wants to start WWIII is totally preposterous.  They are, after all, humans like we are.  They have families and loved ones.  They work and play just like we do.  This world is going to hell in a handbasket all over an empirical government run by corporate morons that have never held a rifle.  We seriously need to wake up to this tyranny and overturn it before it is too late.  Once we pass the tipping point, it will be very difficult to turn it back, if at all.

prisnersdilema,

You really think Imax and his imaginary friend Hetero are two people?

Sort of a Sybil type spammer of nonsense since their 10/15/2011 debut.

King Abdullah, now theres a source.

blogdog,

Do you believe ‘Global Warming’ to be a global fraud?