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Washington’s Black Community Grapples with Gay Marriage IssuePosted on Dec 1, 2009
Tuesday’s vote in favor of same-sex marriage at the District council in Washington, D.C., brought up some tensions among members of the local African-American community. Some have less trouble viewing the issue as a civil rights struggle than others, and generational differences appear to have something to do with it. —KA
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By deeceevoice, December 4, 2009 at 6:40 am Link to this comment
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My concluding comments in the WaPo:
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...It is NOT the right of Harris and others of his ilk to deny the right to marry to others because of their personal beliefs, prejudices, or hang-ups.
I’m with Julian Bond and Yolanda King on this matter. Narrow-minded Black folks like Harris who oppose same-sex marriage have betrayed the legacy of humanity, compassion and struggle bequeathed to us by our ancestors.
And we all need to call them to account.
Report thisBy deeceevoice, December 4, 2009 at 6:38 am Link to this comment
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This past Saturday, The Washington Post ran an abysmal “editorial” by a journalism (go figure) grad student named Taylor Harris, decrying Julian Bond’s chastizing African Americans for opposing gay marriage.
Gay marriage is, indeed, a civil rights matter. I wrote the following in response. (I haven’t changed a thing, not even the typos.)
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One of the strengths of our (African-Americans’) struggle for equality in this nation has been our use of the Constitution as a weapon—a battering ram to tear down walls of de jure segregation and discrimination—and then as a bludgeon, to beat into submission those red-white-and-blue, racist hypocrites who profess their ardent belief in “American” ideals while still fighting tooth and nail to bar us from the welcome table of full participation in the nation’s mainstream affairs politically, economically and socially. Bond and others are spot-on in their assessment that African-Americans, by virtue of our anguished history in this nation, should know better than to oppose gay marriage.
It is, after all, we who have been the moral, ethical, social and political conscience of this nation since before its founding, we who faced down lynch mobs, attack dogs and fire hoses, challenging the nation, in the words of the late Dr. King, to “rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed.”
Personally held moral objections or reservations should have no bearing whatsoever on a matter of civil and human rights, which is what gay marriage is. I will leave aside for the moment the matter of human rights except to note that the freedom to take a life partner of one’s choosing certainly fits the rubric of inalienable birthrights: the right to dignity, freedom from oppression, and the pursuit of happiness.
It is the notion of gay marriage as civil rights issue that raises the hackles of many Blacks; they just don’t—or won’t—see the parallels with the struggles of the Civil Rights Movement. As practicing Christians and Muslims many cannot get past their religion-based judgment that homosexuality as immoral, repugnant, even evil.
But the fact of the matter is this nation, in theory and intent, at least, is a nation ruled by law—not religious dogma.
Civil rights is about, in part, equal protection under the law—how people are treated and what rights they are accorded in civil society, and marriage is, among other things, very much a vivil matter. Like operating a motor vehicle or practicing medicine, it requires a license, issued by a government entity. It is a contractual matter, the affairs of which often are mediated by the courts. Dissolution of marriage requires legal action by a civil authority. So, since marriage is a civil matter, then the denial of the right to marry becomes a civil rights issue.
It’s not rocket science.
Further, there are rights that enure to married couples (inheritance, Social Security and insurance benefits, issues w/regard to medical permissions/decisions and hospital access, power of attorney issues, etc., etc.) that gay couples who are denied the right to marry go without—often to the detriment of the parties involved. And that is a blatant violation of the Constitution’s Fourteenth-Amendment equal protection clause.
Those like Harris who oppose gay marriage on moral or religious grounds are free to believe what they will. They also are free to belong to a church, synagogue, temple, mosque, coven—whatever—that won’t perform wedding ceremonies for same-sex couples. That is their right.
However, there are religious institutions that do perform such rites, and those ceremonies should be as legal as heterosexual marriages. And absent a religious institution willing to perform such ceremonies, then civil ceremonies should be available for gay couples—as they are for heterosexual couples….
Report thisBy agape2010, December 4, 2009 at 1:33 am Link to this comment
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@ Robertin:
Frankly I care less what someone does with/in their private life. However there is no way for me to know if someone is having sex with their same sex unless they state that to me. If I enter a room everyone knows that I am black. There lies the difference in why you cannot compare the Civil Rights Movement that began by blacks in America to the Gay Rights Movement now. And for one more bit of enlightenment; although there have been way too many hate crimes against the GLTB community/individuals…it is not legislated to treat them in an inhumane way…as it was with Jim Crow Laws. While I could give a tittle about who wants to marry whom - I certainly want it known that this issue is NOT, in fact, resembling anything the original movement for peoples civil rights in this country that began by blacks for persons that were treated inhumanely BY LAW in this country.
Peace.
Report thisBy FRTothus, December 3, 2009 at 7:32 pm Link to this comment
I wonder why the benign neglect in Washington DC that’s been going on since 1968 by absentee white slumlords isn’t worthy of any coverage. This hidden-hand punishment of the poor must cease. Not to mention DC voting rights. No, better we should be fed the spectacle of ridicule: it takes up space that might be better put to a real examination of the underlying assumptions… but then that would give the game away, I would imagine. Cannot discuss questions about the Rights of Man versus State’s rights, the right to love who you like and do what you like in a free country. But talk about this, and you’d be lucky to get anyone to publish, much less advertise in a newspaper with articles like that? Certainly not the business community, who would rather we remain ignorant, scared, and looking for saviours, ” ...because the bible tells me so.”
“Why does tax policy increasingly favor the rich? ... The most obvious explanation is that legislators were becoming ever more dependent on large campaign contributions. As the rich got richer in the 1980s and ‘90s, they were increasingly willing and able to provide such contributions. Candidates need money to run for office. If newcomers cannot appeal to donors who can write big checks, their chances of success are slim. If incumbents alienate big-money donors, their chances of facing a well-financed challenge increase. Legislators who catered to the interests of the rich therefore became more numerous. This logic applied to Democrats as well as Republicans.”
(Christopher Jencks)
“As long as we continue to allow the media to function as a manipulative mind manager without fear or disfavor, we’ll continue to see the brain-numbing effects of a society underexposed to real information and analysis, rendered incapable of critical judgment and social resistance.”
(Nancy Snow)
“By the accusation of liberal bias ... the institutions that conservatives revere - the military, corporate America, organized religion, and the powerful conservative groups themselves - will be able to escape scrutiny and increase their influence.”
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By dihey, December 2, 2009 at 5:48 pm Link to this comment
1. Same-sex marriage is not a civil right but a constitutional right.
Report this2. If any Government, Federal, State, or Local, accepts the opposition of the Baptist Church it violates our Constitution.
3. This is not the first time that many but by far not all blacks have shown their prejudice on this matter. It happened not too long ago in California.
By Blackspeare, December 2, 2009 at 1:25 pm Link to this comment
As for Blacks opposing Gay rights is a case of the oppressees becoming the oppressors!
Report thisBy Thong-girl, December 2, 2009 at 11:28 am Link to this comment
Blacks who want to use scripture to express their bigotry need to be called bigot and not allowed to sneak out of there on some notion of a slippery slope. It’s prejudice, induced by fear and insecurity and ignorance of other people’s right to be who they want to be. It’s weak, shameless and inexcusable in 2009 to allow it to be draped in some Baptist sentiments that everyone knows was thrown out with the hypocrisy that always accompanies those who would mask the hatred.
Report thisBy RAE, December 2, 2009 at 9:56 am Link to this comment
Have you noticed that most of the static on these human rights issues emanates from Baptist churches?
Why do Baptists have so much difficulty understanding the meaning of the words “ALL MEN” (and Women) and “EQUAL?”
Why do Baptists think they have some right to dictate how others, especially non-Baptists, “should” lead their lives?
I have come to the conclusion that Baptist=Bigot.
These disgusting believers are far more of a threat to the American way of life than all the Al-Quaidas in the world.
Report thisBy rondd5, December 2, 2009 at 9:47 am Link to this comment
I agree wholeheartly, the model of the populace voting on these rights is absurd…would you want these citizens voting on your rights…I’m black, not gay, and I’m from the older generation…but I firmly believe in equal rights for all.
Report thisBy RobertinWestbury, December 2, 2009 at 7:10 am Link to this comment
“....many of whom believe that comparing gay rights to the battle blacks waged for equality is misguided, even insulting.”
And I find that baseless attitude insulting. In both cases the issue was a majority of people seeing a minority as not worthy of equal treatment or protection under the law. In both cases, the majority saw the minority as inferior and themselves as superior.
The prejudice behind the discriminations are exactly the same (even down to using Biblical references to justify it). Even if the manifestations of the discrimination are different and don’t compare.
Kudos to those members of the DC council who are going to make marriage equality a reality there. There’s more people in DC than all of Maine….
And kudos especially to them for not allowing the issue to be voted upon in a referendum by the public. The idea of the public getting go vote whether or not a minority is treated equally in a nation that had a constitution that guarantees equal treatment is absurd.
All of the amendments passed by popular vote in each state that has had one are entirely unconstitutional.
Time will bear me out on that.
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