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Violence Persists in Syria Despite Peace Agreement

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Posted on Mar 28, 2012
AP/Local Coordination Committees in Syria

In this citizen journalism image provided Tuesday by the Local Coordination Committees in Syria, black smoke rises from buildings in Homs.

Despite news of the Syrian government’s acceptance of a peace plan brought in by special envoy Kofi Annan a day before, by Wednesday it was clear that those headlines didn’t mean much in the way of actual progress in Syria, as stories about ongoing violence and accusations that the Assad regime was deliberately torturing children were among the day’s reports.

BBC:

On Tuesday, the UN said the Syrian government had agreed to accept the plan - a claim met by scepticism from anti-government activists.

But on Wednesday, a Syrian government spokesman told the BBC: “Since our membership was suspended, we deal with other Arab countries on a bilateral level only.

“Therefore, we will not be dealing with or addressing any initiative that comes out of the Arab League at any level,” Jihram Maqdessy said.

[...] UN human rights commissioner Navi Pillay accused the Syrian government of systematically detaining and torturing children.

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By moonraven, April 4, 2012 at 12:32 pm Link to this comment

Even more pathetic than your usual egg-on-your-face coverup personal attacks.

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By heterochromatic, April 4, 2012 at 12:09 pm Link to this comment

moonie—- your opinions are crazy, your grasp of fact slight and your honesty in
reading and evaluating mythical.


do better or everyone IS gonna believe that you’re a mentally defective and
unbalanced little boy.

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By moonraven, April 4, 2012 at 10:24 am Link to this comment

You are not Getrude Stein.

You are simply wrong.

Here’s what wickywackywoo says about it:

“Racism is the belief that inherent different traits in human racial groups justify discrimination. In the modern English language, the term “racism” is used predominantly as a pejorative epithet. It is applied especially to the practice or advocacy of racial discrimination of a pernicious nature (i.e., which harms particular groups of people), and which is often justified by recourse to racial stereotyping or pseudo-science. Racism is popularly associated with various activities that are illegal or commonly considered harmful, such as extremism, hatred, xenophobia, (malignant or forced) exploitation, separatism, racial supremacy, mass murder (for the purpose of genocide), genocide denial, vigilantism (hate crimes, terrorism), etc.”

When did any of that happen to you or any other white person in Gringolandia?

Source:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

If you chose to read further than the first paragraph, quoted above, you will also find this:

“According to the United Nations conventions, there is no distinction between the term racial discrimination and ethnicity discrimination.”

Your employer is not getting his money’s worth from your personal attack posts.

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By heterochromatic, April 2, 2012 at 11:32 am Link to this comment

moonie—- you attempt at logic and definition is bizarrely incorrect….... racism
is racism is racism..


racism can be found in any group and usually is…............your definition
precludes the obvious evidences of daily life.


your definition would make it some not racism when a black group calls for
killing white people for the color of their skin…..


it would make racism and bigotry by Jews in 1940 Palestine not racism.

the world doesn’t work the way you would have it described.

do better than declare reality excluded “by definition”.

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By moonraven, April 2, 2012 at 9:10 am Link to this comment

I, like most native activists, have read it many times.  We are also very familiar with how it became so watered-down because of gringo bullying and threats not to pay their annual dues.

Native americans cannot be racists—by DEFINITION,racism is used by the dominant group to suppress other groups.  Whites—especially infantile paid-per-posts like you, are white.

The only upside I see here, is that if the US government considers that folks like you are worth paying—even in peanuts—that it will be gone as a rogue state in my lifetime.

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By heterochromatic, April 1, 2012 at 5:37 pm Link to this comment

moonie—-PLEASE read the darn thing. I’m NOT disagreeing with it, I’m supporting
it.


You’re not understanding the very plain wording of it.


very odd as it’s not beyond your ken .... your problem must be due to your racism.

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By moonraven, April 1, 2012 at 1:16 pm Link to this comment

Your disagreeing with the UN Genocide Convention’s provision of INTENT TO DESTROY does not mean that it does not exist, nor that the actions of your government and supported by you on these threads are punishable.

Turn yourself in, you mendacious racist.  I am sure you’ll get a fair trial.

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By moonraven, April 1, 2012 at 1:13 pm Link to this comment

Any attack by the white-dominated US government and the white-dominated NATO against non-whites IS genocide.

Just a few examples (some of which were fiascos, but genocide doesn’t have to result in extermination to be successful):

1.  The Indian Wars
2.  The invasion of Mexico 1847-48
3.  The Spanish-American War (note that it was not an invasion of Spain, but of its dominantly non-white colonies) 1898
4.  The nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki
5.  The Bay of Pigs attack on Cuba
6.  The invasion of the Dominican Republic 1965
7.  The invasion and carpet-bombing of Vietnam 60s and 70s
8.  The invasions of Haiti, Grenada and Panama

Those are just a FEW examples of the ongoing war waged by the US against non-white countries for their land and resources or just for the hell of it—ALL of which are incidents of genocide.

What YOU said was that the UN had no Genocide Convention in which the attacks against non-white countries would qualify.

What YOU said was that I was crazy.

What you said was that I was an OLD FOOL.

That is not refutation of what I have posted, but a continuing personal attack against me.

You are wrong, as always.

I am right, as always.

I do not post lies and disinformation, and in fact am the best-informed poster on this site, given that I can get my news (not gringo propaganda) in at least 7 languages.

I repeat, when the US and NATO invade Holland—or Norway, let me know.  I will be all eyes.

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By heterochromatic, April 1, 2012 at 1:00 pm Link to this comment

attack WIYH INTENT TO DESTROY THE GROUP…......

is not in any great way, co-extensive with attacks upon people who are attacked
for reasons other than membership.


so funked up and militantly full of crap.

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By moonraven, April 1, 2012 at 12:53 pm Link to this comment

What about all that violence in Libya that you folks so willingly continue to pay for?

The hypocrisy of the patriotic hoodlums on this site knows no bounds—it expands even faster than the universe.

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By moonraven, April 1, 2012 at 12:51 pm Link to this comment

Boy, the gringos who hired the low-roller troll Hettie to post disinformation sure must hate even the documentation of the obvious!

Or maybe they just hate this old indian woman….

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By balkas, April 1, 2012 at 12:49 pm Link to this comment

ok, we all know that arab kings, amirs, princes are not diktators. and where’s my proof for that? well, do we see armed
uprisings in jordan, s.arabia, tunisia, bahrain?
but we see armed uprisings in arab lands, such as iraq, libya, syria which are ruled by secular people of ‘lesser’ human
value than the exalted kings, amirs, aghas, beys, and the like ‘nobility’.
is it any surprise [c’mon now, spit it out, you were caught by surprise, weren’t you?] that US ‘nobility’ [a communist
fraternity group of people] sided with arab, afghani, yemeni, and somali ‘nobility’.
u did not, did u, notice that islam is a great tool in the kitty of world ‘nobility’ in controlling masses and not a tool for just for the american ‘nobility’.

btw, have u noticed that neither russia nor china is in love with quran, kings, et al?? probably not!! too busy getting
personal with people; hurling insults, and the like, to notice anything that really goes on??===
curioso appears, that ashkenazic ‘jews’ support armed rebellion in syria even tho the rebels may hate israel even more
than assad’s regime or diktatorship.
btw, they also supported the aggression of march 19, ‘03 against iraq and now have in shia even a worse enemy than in
the sunnis.
===
and if u guys think only americans and israelis are that stupid, try most lands in europe and you may finally find out
who’s the stupidest of them all. my choice for that championship are the serbs.
they have been competing for that championship for at least 150 yrs.
what do u think of germans, russians, british, austrians in 1914? or chermans, japanese 1933?

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By moonraven, April 1, 2012 at 12:49 pm Link to this comment

You lazy troll!  Eat this:

“Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide,

New York, 9 December 1948

          Objectives

                The Convention, a major pillar in the evolving framework of international humanitarian rules, declares genocide a crime under international law. It condemns genocide, whether committed in time of peace or in time of war, and provides a definition of this crime. Moreover, the prescribed punishment is not subject to the limitations of time and place.

          Key Provisions

                The Convention defines genocide as any of a number of acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group, and forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

                The Convention also declares that there shall be no immunity. Persons committing this crime shall be punished, whether they are constitutionally responsible rulers, public officials or private individuals.”

http://www.un.org/millennium/law/iv-1.htm
 
And that’s the water-down version that the gringo bullies still refused to ratify until Obomba recently did so cynically, indicating that the US had “reservations”.  the other genocidal goons who had the same “reservations” are Canada, Australia and New Zealand—for obvious reasons as they all continue to commit genocide within the territory they ripped off from the native folks they all but exterminated (exterminated is the US government term for the goal of the so-c alled Indian Wars).

You make me puke, pimp for patriotism.

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By blogdog, April 1, 2012 at 12:20 pm Link to this comment

2012-03-26 Tarpley to PressTV: ‘Buffer zone along Syrian border, national
suicide for Turkey’

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR-NVdG2ldI&feature=player_embedded

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By moonraven, April 1, 2012 at 11:55 am Link to this comment

Hettie/Imax:  You have neither disputed nor refuted one single thing I have ever posted on this forum.

All you’ve done is make infantile personal attacks, covering the bases of racism, ageism and misogyny, thereby illustrating and PROVING my point that you are nothing but a troll with too much time on your hands.

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By IMax, March 31, 2012 at 4:48 pm Link to this comment

“I’m off this infantile site.” shock 

O.K., I’m not really off this site but I desperately had to get that tantrum out of my system!!  Will someone make me a pot pie, puhleeeze!

LMAO

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By heterochromatic, March 31, 2012 at 4:25 pm Link to this comment

moonie—-go answer for your idiocy about genocide ...it took very little time for
you to spout some erronious bullshit that I’ve disputed….....


I’m sure that you’re a well-educated and very intelligent sort of a village idiot but
you happen to be a bit crazed.

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By moonraven, March 31, 2012 at 3:42 pm Link to this comment

For all you smug numbskulls who have jumped on the Destry Syria bandwagon, let me congratulate you on the great job you conitnue to support in Libya, where 147 people have been killed and about 400 injured in the past 6 days:

http://www.jornada.unam.mx/ultimas/2012/03/31/115647083-combates-tribales-en-libia-dejan-147-muertos-en-6-dias

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By moonraven, March 31, 2012 at 3:40 pm Link to this comment

Join what?

Redneck Boozers for Christ?

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By heterochromatic, March 31, 2012 at 3:28 pm Link to this comment

as I said, I didn’t go and look and try to follow your instructions, chica.


forward, my dear, into the future…. you offer argument, rather than gringobaiting
blather, and I’ll join.

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By moonraven, March 31, 2012 at 11:41 am Link to this comment

I knew you would not find a single instance where I was wrong.

Your personal attack surrounding that flagrant failure is duly noted.

I will continue to note such errors on your part.

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By heterochromatic, March 30, 2012 at 4:55 pm Link to this comment

moonie——welcome back!!!!!! I am mostly sincerely glad to see that your quitting
skills are as undeveloped as your ignoring quotient.


I look forward to pointing out any and all of your future mistakes and will pass on
re-reading all your past pap.

perhaps if you post some things that are matters of fact rather than your bigoted
opining we can more easily discuss whether you’ve erred rather than whether
you’re just being a old grump.

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By moonraven, March 30, 2012 at 3:16 pm Link to this comment

Hettie:  You are wrong.

As always.

When you find just ONE instance where I have been wrong on this site—EVER—let me know.

That ought to keep you from posting here for a year or so.

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By heterochromatic, March 30, 2012 at 7:28 am Link to this comment

PH___ I was figuring that the rebels got at most 2,000 out of 10,000 dead…...the
actual numbers are not really known, and it’s possible that the rebs have killed a
slightly higher percentage, but the general drift remains the same.

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By PatrickHenry, March 30, 2012 at 3:50 am Link to this comment

tic,

Many of those 8000 were killed by the ‘rebels’ and outside mercenaries led by influencing forces.

It takes two to tango.

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By heterochromatic, March 29, 2012 at 7:19 pm Link to this comment

PH——you do understand the difference between 13,000
people killed by firearms in all sorts of unrelated
things in a nation of 300,000,000

and 8,000 killed by the security forces of their
government in a nation of 20,000.

I know that you can multiply by 15,,,,,and read the
result.

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By heterochromatic, March 29, 2012 at 6:58 pm Link to this comment

moonraven,
I’m off this infantile site

——-

hey moonie, despite your obvious problems and despite
the fact that you really show it, I suspect that you
know more than most here….

and suggest that you stick around and try to do more
than merely sneer. try throwing in the occasional
remark of substance maybe display some erudition and
insight.

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By PatrickHenry, March 29, 2012 at 6:05 pm Link to this comment

nefresh,

About 13,000 killed just by firearms in 2010, and those are just the ones we know about.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state

I know all about you fresh, you pimp for the issies and are the classic hasbara troll. 

I was thinking that one of those mud hut Palestinians shot down that plane of yours with one of those sophisicated rockets they build, it’s been awhile.

Moonraven is correct, take out all the innocents killed by the ‘rebels’ and their DST, CIA and Turkish (outside) handlers and the death rate would be that of Washington DC.

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By heterochromatic, March 29, 2012 at 3:46 pm Link to this comment

being biased against some asshole dictator who inherited the ob is a pretty good
thing.

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By truedigger3, March 29, 2012 at 3:30 pm Link to this comment

Re: By tolstoy, March 29 at 1:17 pm

tolostoy wrote:
“But the problem includes disunity in the opposition, including radical Islamist elements.”
—————————————————————-
tolostoy,

The “opposition” is MOSTLY composed of radical Suni Islamist elements speaheaded by the Muslim Brotherhood. They are aided by thousands of armed Suni Islamists who infiltrated across the borders from Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan and Iraq.
Assad accepted the the UN proposed cease fire but the opposition rejected it!!
The BBC and Al Jazeera are not broadcasting an honest reporting about the situation in Syriaand they are extremely biased, like their governments, against Aasad!

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By tolstoy, March 29, 2012 at 2:17 pm Link to this comment

Within the “read more” this one recommended:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16978238

Stabilizing toward some kind of negotiations might be helped if McCain-like provocations ceased toward settling things down at the borders—this could work to restrain Assad’s assaults. But the problem includes disunity in the opposition, including radical Islamist elements.

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By nefesh, March 29, 2012 at 1:07 pm Link to this comment

By heterochromatic, March 29 at 11:55 am—
trigger—- whatever or whoever nefesh is or might be,
your comment was still just stupid and snotty.

you misstated nefesh’s words and meaning and then
offered up some assholery in the form of a conclusion
that was based on nothing that preceded it.

I love the stupid dynamic here. All I did was challenge Patrick Henry on his asinine whitewashing of the carnage in Syria. And these other dudes just take that and run wild.

Wow. No wonder the left is in such pathetic disarray if this what one of their flagship online rags offers in the way of regular contributors to the comment sections.

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By heterochromatic, March 29, 2012 at 12:55 pm Link to this comment

trigger—- whatever or whoever nefesh is or might be,
your comment was still just stupid and snotty.

you misstated nefesh’s words and meaning and then
offered up some assholery in the form of a conclusion
that was based on nothing that preceded it.


calling people troll is not an adequate substitute for
having some sense.

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By nefesh, March 29, 2012 at 12:50 pm Link to this comment

By truedigger3, March 29 at 11:25 am——-
About your friend Nefesh he is also a TROLL but with narrow speciality in Israel and Zionism. He has an office either with AIPAC or in one of the Israeli consulates or may be direct from Israel!”

LOL!!!
You go, man. Run, run with your paranoia! It’s your speciality, as you like to spell it.
BTW, you should see my office over at AIPAC. I got the nice deep shag carpeting, a new glass-topped executive desk, a hot secretary, a direct line to Obama and the Jewish-controlled media (dontcha know), and a bitchin’ pinball machine, too.

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By nefesh, March 29, 2012 at 12:45 pm Link to this comment

By truedigger3, March 29 at 10:13 am Link to this comment
That Nefesh, the ardent Zionist and adorer of Israel, “cares” so much about the “revolution” in Syria!! No kidding! That explains clearly who is behind that so called “revolution” and who will beenefit if that “revolution” win.
So, Israel wish Syria well??!!. What a fucking Zionist farce!

Ooooh, THAT Nefesh, dagnabbit!!!  LOL
Good use of sneer-quotes: “cares” and “revolution”.
OOOH that wascally wabbit.

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By truedigger3, March 29, 2012 at 12:25 pm Link to this comment

Re: By heterochromatic, March 29 at 10:27 am

multi_colours,
I am not wasting my time and energy with a resident TROLL like you.  About your friend Nefesh he is also a TROLL but with narrow speciality in Israel and Zionism. He has an office either with AIPAC or in one of the Israeli consulates or may be direct from Israel!

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By moonraven, March 29, 2012 at 11:47 am Link to this comment

I’m off this infantile site.

You simpletons have pissed in the sandbox so many times that it’s become a toxic waste dump.

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By heterochromatic, March 29, 2012 at 11:27 am Link to this comment

trigger—- that was an impressively idiotic attempt at
reasoning. snotty enough, just not intelligent.

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By truedigger3, March 29, 2012 at 11:13 am Link to this comment

That Nefesh, the ardent Zionist and adorer of Israel, “cares” so much about the “revolution” in Syria!! No kidding! That explains clearly who is behind that so called “revolution” and who will beenefit if that “revolution” win.
So, Israel wish Syria well??!!. What a fucking Zionist farce!

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By nefesh, March 29, 2012 at 10:55 am Link to this comment

By moonraven, March 29 at 9:20 am Link to this comment

nefesh:

I would be ashamed to be such a stupid pimp for patriotism as you are.

still LOL!
u know nothing about me (or much of anything, apparently)

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By moonraven, March 29, 2012 at 10:20 am Link to this comment

nefesh:

I would be ashamed to be such a stupid pimp for patriotism as you are.

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By nefesh, March 29, 2012 at 8:54 am Link to this comment

By moonraven, March 29 at 7:30 am Link to this comment


nefesh:  If you factor out the violence caused by French and Brit military and CIS-salaried Al Qaeda mercenaries in Syria, there is NO violence.

LOL

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By moonraven, March 29, 2012 at 8:30 am Link to this comment

nefesh:  If you factor out the violence caused by French and Brit military and CIS-salaried Al Qaeda mercenaries in Syria, there is NO violence.

Sit on that one, patriot.

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By moonraven, March 29, 2012 at 8:23 am Link to this comment

Cliff:  Without genocide, land and resource grabs and slavery the U.S. would never have existed.

It has been a violent succubus since the get-go.

From my perspective, what is really central to this is to think about how the planet would look if gringos had not been sucking its blood and resources for more than 200 years.

Time to shake off the lice and fleas.

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By nefesh, March 29, 2012 at 6:17 am Link to this comment

By PatrickHenry, March 29 at 2:23 am Link to this comment


We have more violence in any of Americas inner cities than in Syria, give me a break.

So which American city has been bombarded by heavy armored divisions? Can’t seem to find any American city being shelled by artillery rockets in the news, dude. Nope, no American cities suffering 8,000 deaths in the past year. But don’t let reality from getting in the way of your fantasies.

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By PatrickHenry, March 29, 2012 at 3:23 am Link to this comment

We have more violence in any of Americas inner cities than in Syria, give me a break.

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By Cliff Carson, March 28, 2012 at 7:18 pm Link to this comment

Moonraven

I was just wondering what the countries of China, Russia, Iran, and other non American supporters would be like if the United States hadn’t been constantly subverting their Governments to do resource grabs.

And of course what the U S would look like.

What if we hadn’t overthrown Iran in 1953 and installed the SHAH who bloodily ruled unmolested by the U S as long as their boy the SHAH was killing his people by the hundreds of thousands.

Do you remember the U S clamoring for the head of the SHAH?  I don’t.

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By moonraven, March 28, 2012 at 6:46 pm Link to this comment

No one has ever been wrong placing the blame on the U.S. government for destabilizing violence.

Never.

This is a no-brainer.

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By IMax, March 28, 2012 at 6:24 pm Link to this comment

Speaking plainly I see the global view being such.

China for the trillions in commerce, Russia for the trillions in commerce and it’s sole Middle Eastern military port, and as Iran’s only allie in the region the demand is that the Assad government remains after any ceasefire.  Obviously this is not what the Arab League and NATO want.

Needless to say the Syrian people have made clear their own wishes for decades.  At this time in history this creates some terrific problems for China, Russia, and Iran.

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By heterochromatic, March 28, 2012 at 4:21 pm Link to this comment

who holds power for more than 40 years and refuses to
hold elections?
who kills thousands of Syrians and tortures many
thousands?

whose family was poor and is now obscenely wealthy
while the rest of Syria has remained poor despite
leeching wealth out of Lebanon for decades?

THAT’S who is to blame in Syria.

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By Cliff Carson, March 28, 2012 at 4:04 pm Link to this comment

I read an article entitled Syria continues attacks after accepting peace plan.  But careful reading of the article revealed this little tidbit:

“Dr Assad’s ally Iran backed the peace plan, saying Syria’s crisis “should be dealt with patiently”, and Russia said it was now up to Syria’s opposition groups to also endorse the proposals, which do not require Assad to give up power”.

Reading a different article I found that the opposition groups followed the U S lead and refused to sign the ceasefire unless Assad agreed to give up power.

So it seems it comes down to this:  Assad has accepted the cease fire but not the opposition.

So the assaults go on.

Who is to blame here?

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By jimmmmmy, March 28, 2012 at 3:30 pm Link to this comment

Syria has lost traction, people have moved on from this. According to the Bush Doctrine Arabs killing arabs is a good thing , right! Do as England did in Ireland the 20s sell all parties guns and negotiate with the bunch that come out on top, usually works.

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