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British Prime Minister David Cameron was one of the critical voices heard after Wednesday’s clashes escalated in Cairo.
Reports of machine gun fire and Molotov cocktails lobbed at anti-government demonstrators in Cairo by pro-Mubarak forces sparked a flurry of disapproving commentary from the West on Wednesday and stoked concerns about Egypt’s volatility in the Middle East. —KA
CNN:
The time for a political transition in Egypt “is now,” U.S. presidential spokesman Robert Gibbs said. The Egyptian people “need to see change,” and a “meaningful transition must include opposition voices and parties being involved in this process as we move toward free and fair elections.”
U.S. State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley denounced the attacks, calling them “a direct threat to the aspirations of the Egyptian people.”
“The use of violence to intimidate the Egyptian people must stop. We strongly call for restraint,” he said.
British Prime Minister David Cameron warned that “if it turns out that the (Mubarak) regime in any way has been sponsoring or tolerating this violence, that would be completely and utterly unacceptable.”
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Let’s call it ‘calculated’ violence. It’s an old ploy.
Force the protesters to respond with violence and then
go to press calling them mere thugs, looters…enemies
intent on transforming a once ‘peaceful’ country into a
country ruled by, shall we say, another Castro?
Thanks for the Bilderberg link. I have seen it before, but maybe I should reread it. However, with any political/historical document written, either written by committee or individually, they are usually rife with hidden opinion. When trying to comprehend current events it is best to invoke Occam’s Razor——use known facts and look for the simplest explanation. One can invent all kinds of conspiracy theories to explain the current turmoil in the ME, but the fact remains that almost all popular uprisings have an economic component and this is the prime reason for the various uprisings in the ME. The facts point that Mubarak will survive the current insurrection until September, when he will step down and where he will be able to influence the next president a la Putin. Though Putin does occupy a high governmental position, Mubarak will have to use his influence from behind the curtain! The facts of Mubarak’s survival is the loyalty of the Egyptian military to him.
RE: Your ID should be “fearnolie”——those Telegraph items are false.
I welcome your focus on the substance of the citation - the tendency toward the ad hominem, of
course, goes with the TD territory… I’m used to it by now - nevertheless, it is distracting, but again
thanks for a substantive contribution
as for that, wether or not the ‘leaked’ cable is real or ‘disinfo’ is very hard to determine, at least by me
and probably you too - unless you’re a cyber-security expert and could examine the file’s
source code - my research on Wikileaks (this is supposedly from the Cablegate volume) has led me to
conclude that even if determined legit, the file still could have been expertly planted and embedded
with convincing digital markers, but that could probably only be done by an ‘operative’ within the the
agency from where the cable was ‘leaked’
assessing the cable as ‘disinfo’ from external analysis, as you’ve done, is not convincing, because it
assumes the empire is a monolith, when in fact it is comprised of competing factions - one need only
study the Pentagon Papers to learn that in them, the CIA is basically whitewashed - the Pentagon takes
the fall for the Vietnam fiasco, with barely a mention of the CIA’s heinously disastrous Phoenix
Assassination Program and its wholesale drug running
The CIA and Its Allies in Control of the United States and the World
By L. FLETCHER PROUTY Col., U.S. Air Force (Ret.)
[...]
[Any reader of the “Pentagon Papers” should be warned that although they were commissioned on June 17, 1967, by the Secretary of Defense as “the history of United States involvement in Vietnam from World War II [Sept 2, 1945] to the present” [1968], they are unreliable, inaccurate and marred by serious omissions. They are a contrived history, at best, even though they were written by a selected Task Force under Pentagon leadership.]
Your ID should be “fearnolie”——those Telegraph items are false. The US government and in particular the Pentagon have a close relationship with their counterparts in Egypt. Mubarak was a war hero during the Yom Kippur War when he commanded the Egyptian Air Force and achieved several impressive victories over the IDF. He has the full respect of the Egyptian military and the commanding elite did quite well under Mubarak——they will not desert him! Talks of Mubarak’s demise are a bit premature. Egypt, since Nasser overthrew the king, has been a military dictatorship albeit and for the most part, a benign one. The economy can be blamed on what’s happening in Egypt today. With 25% unemployment even the USA would see riots in the streets!
Egypt protests: America’s secret backing for rebel leaders behind uprising
The American government secretly backed leading figures behind the Egyptian uprising who have been
planning “regime change” for the past three years, The Daily Telegraph has learned.
The American Embassy in Cairo helped a young dissident attend a US-sponsored summit for activists in
New York, while working to keep his identity secret from Egyptian state police.
On his return to Cairo in December 2008, the activist told US diplomats that an alliance of opposition
groups had drawn up a plan to overthrow President Hosni Mubarak and install a democratic government
in 2011.
He has already been arrested by Egyptian security in connection with the demonstrations and his identity
is being protected by The Daily Telegraph.
The crisis in Egypt follows the toppling of Tunisian president Zine al-Abedine Ben Ali, who fled the
country after widespread protests forced him from office.
By felicity, February 3, 2011 at 2:57 pm Link to this comment
Let’s call it ‘calculated’ violence. It’s an old ploy.
Report thisForce the protesters to respond with violence and then
go to press calling them mere thugs, looters…enemies
intent on transforming a once ‘peaceful’ country into a
country ruled by, shall we say, another Castro?
By Blackspeare, February 3, 2011 at 1:43 pm Link to this comment
fearnotruth…
Thanks for the Bilderberg link. I have seen it before, but maybe I should reread it. However, with any political/historical document written, either written by committee or individually, they are usually rife with hidden opinion. When trying to comprehend current events it is best to invoke Occam’s Razor——use known facts and look for the simplest explanation. One can invent all kinds of conspiracy theories to explain the current turmoil in the ME, but the fact remains that almost all popular uprisings have an economic component and this is the prime reason for the various uprisings in the ME. The facts point that Mubarak will survive the current insurrection until September, when he will step down and where he will be able to influence the next president a la Putin. Though Putin does occupy a high governmental position, Mubarak will have to use his influence from behind the curtain! The facts of Mubarak’s survival is the loyalty of the Egyptian military to him.
Report thisBy fearnotruth, February 2, 2011 at 11:06 pm Link to this comment
RE: Your ID should be “fearnolie”——those Telegraph items are false.
I welcome your focus on the substance of the citation - the tendency toward the ad hominem, of
course, goes with the TD territory… I’m used to it by now - nevertheless, it is distracting, but again
thanks for a substantive contribution
as for that, wether or not the ‘leaked’ cable is real or ‘disinfo’ is very hard to determine, at least by me
and probably you too - unless you’re a cyber-security expert and could examine the file’s
source code - my research on Wikileaks (this is supposedly from the Cablegate volume) has led me to
conclude that even if determined legit, the file still could have been expertly planted and embedded
with convincing digital markers, but that could probably only be done by an ‘operative’ within the the
agency from where the cable was ‘leaked’
assessing the cable as ‘disinfo’ from external analysis, as you’ve done, is not convincing, because it
assumes the empire is a monolith, when in fact it is comprised of competing factions - one need only
study the Pentagon Papers to learn that in them, the CIA is basically whitewashed - the Pentagon takes
the fall for the Vietnam fiasco, with barely a mention of the CIA’s heinously disastrous Phoenix
Assassination Program and its wholesale drug running
moreover, there is evidence that the Pentagon Papers were fabricated - e.g. http://www.bilderberg.org/st/index.htm
THE SECRET TEAM
The CIA and Its Allies in Control of the United States and the World
By L. FLETCHER PROUTY Col., U.S. Air Force (Ret.)
[...]
[Any reader of the “Pentagon Papers” should be warned that although they were commissioned on June 17, 1967, by the Secretary of Defense as “the history of United States involvement in Vietnam from World War II [Sept 2, 1945] to the present” [1968], they are unreliable, inaccurate and marred by serious omissions. They are a contrived history, at best, even though they were written by a selected Task Force under Pentagon leadership.]
[...]
Report thisBy Blackspeare, February 2, 2011 at 9:39 pm Link to this comment
fearnotruth…
Your ID should be “fearnolie”——those Telegraph items are false. The US government and in particular the Pentagon have a close relationship with their counterparts in Egypt. Mubarak was a war hero during the Yom Kippur War when he commanded the Egyptian Air Force and achieved several impressive victories over the IDF. He has the full respect of the Egyptian military and the commanding elite did quite well under Mubarak——they will not desert him! Talks of Mubarak’s demise are a bit premature. Egypt, since Nasser overthrew the king, has been a military dictatorship albeit and for the most part, a benign one. The economy can be blamed on what’s happening in Egypt today. With 25% unemployment even the USA would see riots in the streets!
Report thisBy fearnotruth, February 2, 2011 at 5:11 pm Link to this comment
oversight - link to Telegraph article cited below
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/8289686/Egypt-protests-Americas-secret-backing-for-rebel-leaders-behind-uprising.html
Report thisBy fearnotruth, February 2, 2011 at 4:39 pm Link to this comment
beware the smoke, beware the mirrors…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1USdMUWbIdo&feature=player_embedded#
Egypt protests: America’s secret backing for rebel leaders behind uprising
The American government secretly backed leading figures behind the Egyptian uprising who have been
planning “regime change” for the past three years, The Daily Telegraph has learned.
The American Embassy in Cairo helped a young dissident attend a US-sponsored summit for activists in
New York, while working to keep his identity secret from Egyptian state police.
On his return to Cairo in December 2008, the activist told US diplomats that an alliance of opposition
groups had drawn up a plan to overthrow President Hosni Mubarak and install a democratic government
in 2011.
The secret document in full - http://tinyurl.com/6l2bv72
He has already been arrested by Egyptian security in connection with the demonstrations and his identity
is being protected by The Daily Telegraph.
The crisis in Egypt follows the toppling of Tunisian president Zine al-Abedine Ben Ali, who fled the
Report thiscountry after widespread protests forced him from office.
By karim, February 2, 2011 at 4:31 pm Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)
so he plays the good cop in this plot.
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