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Vatican Says Bishops Aren’t Employees

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Posted on May 17, 2010
White House / Shealah Craighead

The pope and his posse.

In an effort to keep a rising legal flood below the chin, the Vatican is prepared to argue that bishops are not employees of the church, therefore the church shouldn’t be held responsible for their sometimes nefarious behavior related to allegations of sexual abuse. We’re not lawyers, but that seems pretty ridiculous.

If lawyers in Louisville, Ky., can show that the highest levels of the Catholic Church are ultimately responsible, then they could demand access to secret documents and officials up to and including the pope.

The Times:

The Vatican is seeking to dismiss the suit before the Pope can be questioned or documents subpoenaed.

Its motion is being closely watched as the clerical abuse scandal swirls around the Holy See, since the court’s eventual decision could have implications for a lawsuit naming top Vatican officials that was recently filed in Wisconsin and another one in Oregon is pending before the Supreme Court.

Mr McMurry has alleged that the Vatican had clear and direct control over bishops, mandated a policy of secrecy, and is therefore liable for the bishops’ failure to report abuse. He is seeking unspecified damages.

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By Xntrk, May 18, 2010 at 9:36 pm Link to this comment

I cannot disagree with most of the comments. The Church’s claim that Bishops act independently of the Vatican is patently false. Yet I will not be surprised if the U.S. Courts find in favor of the Church.

A majority of the Supreme Court Justices are Catholic. They are happy to declare Corporations to be persons with all the rights and protections of individuals. And, what is the Catholic Church but one of the largest and oldest corporations?

The Justices have little antipathy when it comes to applying the dictates of the Vatican concerning sexual preferences and practices. Why would anyone assume that they will disagree with the Vatican in this case?

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By lmttd, May 18, 2010 at 6:19 pm Link to this comment

“...the Vatican is prepared to argue that bishops are not employees of the church…”
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Right. Yet it would not surprise me one bit if the other side of the Vatican’s face declared it retains the right to FIRE (read excommunicate) any bishop who fails to toe the Vatican’s party line. Convenient, self-serving liars…

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By Healy, May 18, 2010 at 5:25 pm Link to this comment

I actually wrote about this topic in a column published on the 15th.  You are more than welcome to check it out.  What has been happening is an outrage, and people need to continue expressing this publically until the tide turns against the perpetrators and those who cover up their crimes for the sake of the Church’s own money and power.

Robert Healy

http://www.hpe.com/view/full_story/7434691/article-ROBERT-HEALY—The-Vatican-should-have-no-immunity-from-justice?instance=most_recommended

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By Liquor Store Larry, May 18, 2010 at 2:41 pm Link to this comment

Oy Vey es mir!

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By Leefeller, May 18, 2010 at 1:56 pm Link to this comment

wow the pope in jail next to Chaney, next thing you know accountability will fall from the heavens and then Atheists will become beleivers!

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By Smudge Martens, May 18, 2010 at 11:39 am Link to this comment

re: “It is so easy and sinfully stylish in secular urban circles to bash Catholic Christians.  Like kicking Mother Theresa—she will not fight back and will always forgive you.”

First point, we are calling out good Catholics to demand a full accounting from the Pope. None of this circular talk about sin and secular issues creating the environment that fosters child rape.

Second Point, where are the whistle blower priests? Do you deny that a significant number of priests and other church employees were aware of the child rape and simply invoked the “greater good” rationalization.

Third Point, you seem to forget that Mother Teresa was exposed as a non-believer, yet imposed on her poor ignorant clients the indefensible doctrines of no birth control or abortion. She deserves to sit at the right hand of Hitler in the pantheon of evil incarnate.

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By Abrowser, May 18, 2010 at 9:17 am Link to this comment
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It is so easy and sinfully stylish in secular urban circles to bash Catholic
christians.  Like kicking Mother Theresa—she will not fight back and will
always forgive you.

And although the heinous activities of some (but not all) Catholic priests must
be punished, it is equally wrong, in this country, to attack a whole religion and
its believers. That kind of wrong is precisely what our country was founded on.
Every religious denomination, teaching profession, law enforcement, medical
profession, or other vocation has its cadre of sexual miscreants. Each should
be punished accordingly.

The news story is nothing more than a stunt to gain publicity by attempting to
pierce the sovereignty of the Vatican state and the Pope.  For good reason,
Obama could not be subpoenaed in the Blagojevich case. Is there a double
standard here?

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By P. T., May 18, 2010 at 12:03 am Link to this comment

Under American law, I think the Church would have a pretty hard time making the case that bishops are independent contractors.  For one thing, bishops work exclusively for the Church.  They are not free lancers.

It is especially ironic since the Church has historically been regarded as a model of top-down authority, in existence before the modern state or corporations.

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By mrtmbrnmn, May 17, 2010 at 11:34 pm Link to this comment
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the catholic church is the oldest, longest running and most successful criminal enterprise in the history of the world. the mafia is quaint in comparison. and the twisted, perverted, dishonest and destructive, immoral church of wall street has not been around long enough to qualify for the title….who will rid us of these troublesome priests?

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By samosamo, May 17, 2010 at 10:13 pm Link to this comment

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By turbamagna, May 17 at 10:36 pm

Not a shortage of wood by slow roasting the heretics and
blasphemers, but for melting and forming glass for the
‘magnificent castles and cathedrals’ doting the landscape all
around europe.

I would not feel very remorseful if the pope and his hooligans
were boiled in oil and/or tarred and feathered and run out of
town on a rail.

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By turbamagna, May 17, 2010 at 6:36 pm Link to this comment

Burn all of these bastards at the stake - the Pope being the first. Was there not a shortage of firewood in Europe for some 600 years during the “Dark Ages” because it was used to slow burn hundreds of thousands of innocents?

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By Gabriel Wilensky, May 17, 2010 at 5:58 pm Link to this comment
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The Vatican’s legal position, namely that each diocese is an independent entity
and therefore the Vatican is not responsible for the diocese’s actions, is
preposterous. Even if it was true of the Vatican, still the Catholic Church would
be liable. I think that the church is making things worse for themselves by
denying any responsibility. It might be legally correct, but it’s morally
bankrupt.


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By samosamo, May 17, 2010 at 5:23 pm Link to this comment

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Reminiscent of bishop w and bishop dick not being liable for
what they did in a sick kind of way. But religion and government
are old friends you know.

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By Smudge Martens, May 17, 2010 at 4:37 pm Link to this comment

Often in politics and business it is said that the cover-up is worse than the original crime. In the case of the Vatican both the cover-up and original crimes are equally heinous.

•  Where are the good Catholics who have the courage to step-up and collectively demand Ratzinger’s resignation?

•  Where are the good Priests who should have been whistle-blowers decades ago? Are their ethics such a thin and unsubstantial veneer that they swallow whole the simplistic “greater good” argument?

•  Do Catholics worship their Tri-Headed God or the Pope – if you need to be intimate with the imaginary triplets, why can’t you find Jesus, et. al. via the alternative Protestant faiths?

Better yet, reject the nonsense and embrace reality, for this short, sweet, wild ride called life. And you can live forever in the memories of those that you’ve touched with your flawed, but beautiful human heart.

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By Amos50, May 17, 2010 at 4:19 pm Link to this comment
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So Bishops are not “employees” of the Holy See. I bet if a few of our bishops decided to ordain women, there would be a few ex “non-employees” in the U.S. episcopacy.

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By unabletotrust, May 17, 2010 at 3:50 pm Link to this comment
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If the vatican is entittled to ‘soverign immunity” then this will open the door for other religious institutions to demand the same treatment.  Who does the holy see rule and what laws do they make and for who ? If the bishops don’t work for the vatican then why do they go there and does any parrish money find it’s way into the bank of the vatican ? This is just some b.s. that some politican or president gave to the ‘pope’ to me it is like getting an honorary Ph.D. from some University, because you have the tittle it doesn’t make you a scholar !

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By Desertdude, May 17, 2010 at 1:40 pm Link to this comment
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If they are not employed by the Church then they are
not accountable to Rome. Yet every time the Roman Catholic church does something that Rome dosen’t like they tell them to stop. Sorry your busted and are liable for all the abuse in the church.

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