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Posted on May 9, 2010
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Faisal Shahzad was pulled off a plane bound for Dubai last Monday for allegedly leaving a bomb-rigged SUV in New York’s Times Square.

The bumbling alleged Times Square bomber had backing from the Taliban in Pakistan, Attorney General Eric Holder said Sunday, claiming the U.S. has evidence that the Taliban helped facilitate, and likely financed, the attempt. —JCL

Al Jazeera English:

The Pakistani Taliban was behind the failed attempt to detonate a car bomb in the heart of New York City, the United States attorney general has said.

Eric Holder’s revelation on Sunday came almost a week after US authorities arrested Faisal Shahzad, a naturalised US citizen born in Pakistan, blamed for planting the bomb in Times Square.

“We’ve now developed evidence that shows that the Pakistani Taliban was behind the attack,” Holder said on ABC’s current affairs talk show “This Week”.

“We know that they helped facilitate it. We know that they probably helped finance it, and that he [Faisal Shahzad] was working at their direction,” he said.

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By Go Right Young Man, May 18, 2010 at 3:58 pm Link to this comment

Jack,

Thank you for taking the time to share information.  I’ve seen it all before. 

There is zero evidence that bin Laden and/or Hussein was under the employ of the Central Intelligence Agency.  Rumors, accusations, the scant “unidentified sources” and supposition does not make a fact. If one builds an “actionable theory” it must, necessarily, be based on a solid foundation before action proceeds. - In this way we can mitigate the kinds of mistakes, I believe, you have so far made.

And to that very point:  Can you share with me the context of the James Angleton quote you repeat here several times?  I believe you misunderstand what Mr. Angleton was inferring.  I believe you are heavily relying on a mistake of context in support of an even greater misconception.

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By jack, May 17, 2010 at 8:38 pm Link to this comment
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GRYM - clearly we can respectfully disagree. As I mentioned, some fine old friends were
recruited as well, though they didn’t sign up - had they, we’d probably have never met - I respect
their education, erudition, sensitivity to the arts, culture, food and wine; and we too respectfully
disagree.

As for the extensive investigations, etc.,  Operation Phoenix was acknowledged in the Church Hearings only a few years following the Vietnam debacle, but curious that it took 40 years for
The Gulf of Tonkin Incident to be officially acknowledged as a phony ginned up provocation - history may mark it as the beginning to of the end of the American Empire.

Certainly you know that raising the notion that tens of thousands have to be in on a conspiracy for it
to succeed is a red herring - among compartmentalized operatives, the imperative to function so as
to avoid ever running the risk of hearing those fateful words: “sorry, you know too much,” is SOP -
any who really understand what their into, know the limits of their need to know - still some run off
the reservation, e.g. John O’Niell -
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/could/911commission.html

A simple reading of the John O’Niell story tells us “incompetence” is to blame for the “failure” to
“stop” 9/11 from happening, which, of course, is essential to the scripted cover up: blow back and
incompetence - a more scouring analysis points to a handful of carefully positioned “moles,” tasked
to keep the “patsies” in play until the “professionals” executed the black op. O’Niell perished on
9/11… how and where exactly, who knows? How much too much he know, who knows?

Daniel Pearl perished a few years later - presumably beheaded by zealots, again… the simple
reading - essentially Pearl knew too much, as did O’Niell -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2989053.stm - how limited is that BBC hangout is hard to
say

There is also Sibel Edmunds - now public enough that she may survive - remains to be seen if she’ll
ever be legally permitted to divulge what she knows -  http://www.justacitizen.com/KillTheMessenger.html

As for Saddam - there is this article, the result of exhaustive research
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/217.html
- you’ll probably dismiss it - from it, it’s clear why only
contradictory articles or “limited hangouts” ever make it into the MSM.

As for Bin Laden… a few articles:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/RIC111B.html

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/binladen_cia.html

http://preview.tinyurl.com/23bx4rp

Google books reveals that what’s written covers the spectrum, how much is true and how much is
disinformation… hard to say - as I previously pointed out:

2 things to never forget:

1. “Deception is a state of mind and the mind of the state.” - James Jesus Angelton - Director of CIA
Counter Intelligence (1954-74)

2. “The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media.” - William
Colby - Director of the CIA (1973-76)

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By Go Right Young Man, May 17, 2010 at 5:03 pm Link to this comment

Jack - ” The question was posed on the premise that 9/11 was in fact a coup d’etat…”

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I believe the premise has been exhaustively proven to be highly unlikely. I believe that particular premise requires more than a handful of wild assumptions rooted in one supposition upon another. 

I can’t get behind any conspiracy that requires the participation of tens of thousands of like-minded people across the globe - Both before and after each event - and then to keep mum about their respective rolls.

There is a 20 plus year history of hundreds of first hand accounts, thousands of man-hours in law enforcement investigations, hundreds of Federal and State court proceedings, numerous congressional oversight meetings, U.N. commissions, NATO actions etc. etc. to draw upon.  None of which support such a theory.

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I believe I know this issue well. There is zero evidence which supports the theory that bin Laden or Hussein were ever on the Central Intelligence Agency payroll.  To be blunt; it is simply false.

Clearly we couldn’t be farther apart in our respective world views.

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By jack, May 15, 2010 at 4:42 pm Link to this comment
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Are you asking whether or not I believe events such as Sept. 11 are examples of Central
Intelligence Agency “False Flag”  operations?

That wasn’t the question. The question was posed on the premise that 9/11 was in fact a
coup d’etat, staged by the shadow government to force Bush II to launch the War of
Civilizations, and the actual question: if Obama were not cooperative, would they try
something similar with him?

From the analyses I’ve read, the elements you hint at in the Middle and Far East as the so-
called responsible parties are primarily rich asset agents provocateurs and pasties while
Saddam and Bin Laden were both confirmed former CIA operatives - indisputable facts…
Bin Laden still on the payroll up till his death, probably in 2002 - Saddam, of course, was
turned into a bitter enemy after being set up, encouraged and permitted to attack Kuwait in
‘91, then stabbed in the back. In any case neither could execute 9/11 - a major black-op
by any standards - the shadow network probably comprised elements of CIA, NSA, MI6 and
MOSSAD.

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By Go Right Young Man, May 15, 2010 at 3:12 pm Link to this comment

Jack,

Are you asking whether or not I believe events such as Sept. 11 are examples of Central Intelligence Agency “False Flag”  operations?  My answer would be a resounding and unequivocal no.

I believe I can prove, with little reasonable doubt, that 9/11 and other events were designed by a few men in the Philippines, Pakistan and a U.S. Federal prison who desire a war between Islam and most of the rest of the world.

As an aside: I have a bias in my thinking.  When the second plane struck the WTC I was on the phone and watching the television.  I was asked who would do such a thing and my answer was immediate.  Saddam Hussein or Usama bin Laden.  Within roughly two minutes, however, I ruled out Hussein.

To this day I trust that I was correct.

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By jack, May 14, 2010 at 1:38 am Link to this comment
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GRYM, I typically do not address anyone personally in any blog - I comment on postings but usually don’t get personal - counters I engage and usually leave off if they become uncivil; essentially why I’m no longer registered here - the incivilities go largely unmoderated and many are downright brutish. As I mentioned, diamond ain’t even close to going over the edge.

I addressed you personally because you seemed to be pointedly ignoring all my counters to your assertions - anyway doesn’t matter - I’ve had friends over the years who were recruited but didn’t join - very smart fellows - just didn’t feel they’d fit in, even though they’d been profiled to do so - and we too agreed to disagree… so I guess we know where we stand.

BTW, I called up a local newspaper a few years back to discuss their lack of coverage of a scheduled anti-terrorism drill, to be staged in this local - many suspected it might go live and I joined those working to make people aware - the guy I spoke with was an editor and by the way he talked he sounded like a rich asset - eventually he asked me if I like living like this, which took me by surprise - I said it wasn’t much fun researching military drills and envisioning the outcome of one going live, but that since the 9/11 coup, responsible citizens among us should do what we can to raise awareness so as to stay clear of other possible incidents like it and hopefully get the planners to shut them down - of course you know there were about 25 military and intel drills running on 9/11- one even simulating exactly what happened - anyway, then I brought up Bush’s security stripping on the morning of 9/11 and the “Angel is Next” threat just as AF-1 lifted off (of course you know that too), but then he asked me this: if Obama were elected did I think they’d try it with him? Curious question, eh? What do you think?

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By Go Right Young Man, May 13, 2010 at 5:42 pm Link to this comment

jack, (Unregistered commenter) - “GRYM, diverting the discussion to focus on diamond’s style rather than content, seems, more than anything else, intended to ‘pester’ and distract’ - compared to many bloggers, diamond is pretty civil.

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It must be clear just how little time I’ll invest in those who offer easy insults and childish barbs. Yes?  To be frank I could not care any less how “others” conduct themselves on any given blog.  You want a discourse with me?  Approach me as an adult.

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Have you addressed me directly in any way?  Clearly you wished others here to see your own contrary opinions to my own.  I thought you did that well.  You made your points.

Clearly we disagree.  I felt no need comment nor justify my own experiences.

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By jack, May 13, 2010 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment
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GRYM, diverting the discussion to focus on diamond’s style rather than content,
seems, more than anything else, intended to ‘pester’ and ‘distract’ - compared
to many bloggers, diamond is pretty civil

one gets the feeling from your, almost passive aggressive tone, that
the work you cite, with so many who hold views not unlike diamond’s, might
be something akin to an undercover operative, tasked to instill failure, and
when you say you get things done (what ‘things’ (?) one is forced to wonder) -
could it be that your visits here are related to that work… that you’re ‘getting
something done’ here?

- moreover, it’s noticeable that you’ve fully avoided commenting on my posts,
all directed specifically toward the black-op/psy-op nature of The Global War
Of Terror, and the history supporting that - knowing full well, or so it seems,
that the more it’s discussed, the more people think about it, and the more
people think about it, the more clearly this is seen to be genuine:

1. “Deception is a state of mind and the mind of the state.” - James Jesus
Angelton - Director of CIA Counter Intelligence (1954-74)

2. “The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the
major media.” - William Colby - Director of the CIA (1973-76)

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By Go Right Young Man, May 13, 2010 at 3:09 pm Link to this comment

The many people I work with come from all walks of life.  Many of them hold a few of the same opinions you appear to hold.  The idea is to put personal feelings and emotions aside in order to get things done.

Understanding of course that when people of tangible action come together in person it’s a good deal easier to be respectful.  To listen.  To share experience(s).

Nonetheless, that is no excuse for childish jibes and easy insults when one feels anonymous.

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This I am sure of. Whether in a Board Room, Judges Chambers, Union Commission or the House or Senate caucus, you would not be invited to return.  Speak to people as you do here and no one would listen.

While I applaud your attempts, you have a rather pedestrian, narrowly focused, understanding of history and contemporary global events.  I hope you find a way to tamp down your emotions and learn to earn authentic respect from others.

Good luck to you in all things

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By diamond, May 13, 2010 at 1:10 pm Link to this comment

I doubt that I would want to participate in anything with you GRYM and if you call having a conscience and being well-informed being emotional well, frankly, that’s your problem. The meaning of life is not ‘getting things done’ - we’re human beings not human doings and your warped view of America’s place in the world does you no credit at all. You’re either ignorant or devious, either way you’re wrong.

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By Go Right Young Man, May 13, 2010 at 3:55 am Link to this comment

diamond, - “I refuse to believe you’re as stupid as you make yourself out to be…”

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Daily I speak and work with people who get things done.  People who are not satisfied with simply talking about what may be done.  People who put time into understanding a subject before they act.

With your attitude and demeanor you would never be invited to participate.  Simply put; you are far too emotional and it clouds your judgment.

Good luck to you.

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By diamond, May 12, 2010 at 2:51 pm Link to this comment

Oh come on. Don’t try that tired old trick on me GRYM. If I see a wall I know it’s a wall and you can say it’s a pile of roses until your mouth hurts but just try walking through it and see how far you get. Everything is NOT relative and there IS such a thing as truth which you, being the enemy of truth are reluctant to face. The claims you’ve made are not only ridiculous they are deceptive, misleading and yes, untrue, and I base that assessment on knowledge of historical fact.

I refuse to believe you’re as stupid as you make yourself out to be so I assume you see your task as spreading misinformation. Don’t waste your time: 99% of the people on this site are far too smart to believe your nonsense. Israeli society is neither free nor open: it is a fascist state run by the intelligence services, the military and the police and America is heading in the same direction. The IDF shoots nine year old boys in the back and we all know they gunned down entire families in Gaza. The Israeli intelligence services have minor children in their custody that they have plucked off the streets and locked up for years with no charge and no trial. Their use of torture is so well known that they passed on handy tips to the US torturers of Bagram, Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo. People have been held in Guantanamo for periods of seven years without charge or anything resembling a fair trial even though a report from the Department of Defense claimed that over 90% of those held had committed no crime let alone any act of terrorism. Most of them were sold to the US army for $10,000 after the invasion of Afghanistan. Your farcical view of America as a benevolent uncle going around the world lifting billions out of poverty makes me want to vomit. Just so you know. You should also remember that the devil is referred to in the Bible as ‘The Father of Lies’. You’re in bad company: so you might want to rethink your position.

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By jack, May 12, 2010 at 9:04 am Link to this comment
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RE: GRYM’s statement:
...the United States, Western Europe and Israel. The free and open nations on the globe.

The validity of this premise is justifiably questionable. The countervailing premise is that international intelligence networks and their attendant operational resources have systematically deceived and terrorized their own populations with deadly attacks, commonly referred to as “false flag provocations” in order to turn public opinion against those who resist oligarchy and toward acceptance and support wars beneficial to the oligarchy.

Taking a single example, directly germane to the subject of this article: NATO’s Operation GLADIO.

NATO has yet to come clean on Operation GLADIO, an undisputed historical fact. Gladio was part of a post-World War II program set up by the CIA, MI6 and NATO supposedly to thwart future Soviet/communist invasions or influence in Italy and Western Europe. In fact, it became a state-sponsored right-wing terrorist network, involved in false flag operations and the subversion of democracy.

The existence of Gladio was confirmed and admitted by the Italian government in 1990, after a judge, Felice Casson, discovered the network in the course of his investigations into right-wing terrorism. Italian prime minister Giulio Andreotti admitted Gladio’s existence but tried to minimize its significance.

The main function of the Gladio-style groups, in the absence of Soviet invasion, seems to have been to discredit left-wing groups and politicians through the use of “the strategy of tension,” including false-flag terrorism. The strategy of tension is a concept for control and manipulation of public opinion through the use of fear, propaganda, agents provacateurs, terrorism, etc. The aim was to instill fear into the populace while framing communist and left-wing political opponents for terrorist atrocities.

Copious info. online - the above from here
http://www.truthmove.org/content/operation-gladio/
and in print
http://www.amazon.com/NATOs-Secret-Armies-Operation-Contemporary/dp/0714685003

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By Go Right Young Man, May 12, 2010 at 5:00 am Link to this comment

diamond, - “When do you intend, go right young man, to stop this endless stream of lies and disinformation?”

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I could go on about the many and varied lies you spread here.  You, in turn, could repeat the same of me.  Of course all that would be accomplished is to show everyone here how childish we both are.  How small and insecure we are.  How closed-minded and, frankly, bigoted and myopic we are.

Correct me if I’m wrong.  Would it not be better to knowledge that well meaning and educated people can disagree?  That adults can be respectful toward one another?

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So you openly blame the United States, Western Europe and Israel.  The free and open nations on the globe.

Frankly, I believe you and others have convinced yourselves that freedom, capitalism, a free and open press, representative forms of government with an independent judiciary are some the causes of the world’s ills.  I can only repeat myself and say; I disagree.

Is there a model of government and commerce you would rather see as the single “Super Power” on the globe?

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By diamond, May 11, 2010 at 2:09 pm Link to this comment

You should also remember GRYM what Bill Blum of the CIA is alleged to have said: “A terrorist is someone with a bomb but without an airforce.” Who would know better than a CIA man how very true that is?

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By diamond, May 11, 2010 at 1:25 pm Link to this comment

When do you intend, go right young man, to stop this endless stream of lies and disinformation? The whole world and its dog knows that Saddam Hussein attacked Iran at the instigation of the United States. America not only instigated the war they armed both sides and turned blood into gold: one of America’s most ingrained vices. Around 1,000,000 people died in this war. Israel armed Iran: and before you claim it’s not true this information was contained in a book written by an Israeli officer who was given the task of overseeing the sales of weapons to Iran and presumably organized the ways in which they were shipped around the world so that no one would know they were going to Iran. Ari Ben-Manasche, an Israeli military intelligence officer, was involved in some of the secret deals and gave details in his memoir called ‘Profits of War’. In 1983, Ben-Menasche negotiated the sale of 4,000 TOW anti tank missiles to Teheran. The missiles were part of an old stock and their power supply was due to run out in two years time. This was followed by more shipments of a similar quantity. The first supply came from NATO stock in Europe, the second came from America but was shipped via Guatamala and Australia. 12,000 TOWS went to Iran between 1983 and 1987. Ben-Menasche believes these weapons completely changed the course of the war. According to this whistle blower, Israel used a slush fund supplied by weapon profits to buy the silence of politicians in the U.S. Britain and Australia. Democrats on the Iran Contra panel also received payments: some of them through the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.

And you’re wrong to claim I only blame America: I blame the entire west and I blame Israel. Their collective behavior towards the rest of the world has been shameful and evil for decades and they are now drowning in their own greed and violence. All actions have consequences and the consequences of Israel’s activities haven’t even begun to unfold yet, though America and the west are already twisting in the wind as a result of their inhuman and immoral economic system and their manufactured wars.

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By jack, May 11, 2010 at 10:22 am Link to this comment
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A Khokar may Blame America First and from Khokar’s perspective, he is
probably right to do so - however, that’s not my premise, which I have made very
clear and which Go Right has yet to engage in this discourse

my premise is based on analysis that concludes this: the global intelligence
networks and military resources paid for by US citizens - and let’s be clear, it’s not
US-based corporations that pay, it’s 98% of wage earners in the US who pay - and
to further clarify, those resources are now more and more being contracted to
mercenary enterprises, e.g. Black Water (Xe), Dyncorps, etc.

these resources now, almost exclusively, serve the global finance oligarchy, their
global corporate enterprises and their minion (US Foreign Diplomatic Corps), as
their private security and coercion thugs, and for no other reason than to advance
their agenda of global hegemony - this activity is currently obfuscated and shilled
to the US taxpayer as the “war on terrorism,” through a wholly owned corporate
media

the evidence to support this premise is overwhelming; moreover, about all of this,
there is no need to speculate - we have it from the source:

1. “Deception is a state of mind and the mind of the state.” - James Jesus
Angelton - Director of CIA Counter Intelligence (1954-74)

2. “The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major
media.” - William Colby - Director of the CIA (1973-76)

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By Go Right Young Man, May 11, 2010 at 9:32 am Link to this comment

A Khokar,

Saddam did not fight a war against Iran at the behest of the United States.  That is the notion of those who believe U.S. is the cause of the world’s ills.  Saddam gave his reasons for attacking Iran.  It’s time people held Saddam accountable for his actions.

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I never suggested that Hussein could construct a monopoly on the world’s oil.  But by holding the world’s largest oil reserve he would have held greater power to control output. 

Hussein also unequivically proved, via Oil For Food, that anyone can sell crude off of the open market.

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You appear to have a desire, above all else, to Blame America First.  To seek a single villain.  That context dictates your world-view.  That is the root of our disagreement.

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By A Khokar, May 11, 2010 at 6:45 am Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man,

Saddam fought war against Iran on the behest of US.

This was a war of attrition and nobody has come out winner. They both had depleted each other and left the battle ground only, when their economies has dipped down hitting flat on rock bottom; when a tooth paste tube of 2 Riyal touched the price of 200 Riyal.

Anyhow this is utter absurdity that Saddam would possess the entire areas pitted with oil wells and will have a monopoly on oil supplies.

So what; if he possessed even the entire well system in the area..! He had to sell oil and bring it in the open market; then market may dictate the rates and set price.

Well we all know that man had shown his desire then that oil price be increased from18-20 dollars per barrel to 34 dollars but we are witness to all this that soon after Iraq war the rate shoot up to 134 dollars per barrel. To what avail was this war then?

The exercise of attacking Iraq and toppling Hussein to save guard the oil resources did not benefit any one. US has spent some trillion of dollars; the hard earned money of US taxpayers for just destroying one small country Iraq.

This is utter nonsense.

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By Go Right Young Man, May 11, 2010 at 3:55 am Link to this comment

diamond,

If you elect to use a different tone in your writing we can hold a respectful and honest discourse.  For now I will simply write that we disagree on contemporary world history.

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By Go Right Young Man, May 11, 2010 at 3:46 am Link to this comment

A Khokar,

Let us not miss the point.  The world’s oil reserves could have been influenced by Germany, China or Japan.  It could have been controlled by the Soviet Union.  Not the open market for all the globe to draw upon.

If Saddam Hussein had won the eight year war against Iran, or had been allowed to dominate and assimilate Kuwait, Hussein would have controlled the single largest oil reserves on the globe.

With the United States and Western Europe heavily influencing events the world’s oil goes to the open and free market.

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By A Khokar, May 11, 2010 at 3:08 am Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man.

The Hegemons; Yes they always do this in the name of peace.
How fascinatingly this is revealed by Glorious Quran:
[Al-Baqrah. 2:13] “And when it is said to them: ‘Create not disorder on the earth,’ they say: ‘We are only promoters of peace.”

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By diamond, May 10, 2010 at 10:33 pm Link to this comment

‘First and foremost; Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, from the early 1990’s on, presented one of the most pressing threats that faced the globe’. 

Where’s the proof for this outrageous claim, go right young man? Saddam Hussein was a tinpot dictator put in place by the CIA and was not a threat to the globe or anything like it. This is arrant nonsense.

‘I have myself never seen a suggestion or hint of a working relationship amongst the CIA and Pak-Talib.  We’re talking about bitter adversaries.’

Again where is the proof to back up this brainless, ignorant and historically inaccurate claim? Are you so blind to history that you don’t know that the CIA armed and funded the Mujaheddin for years while they fought the Soviet Union in Afghanistan? The Taliban was created by the ISI (Pakistani intelligence) under the guidance of (who else?) the CIA out of the 4 - 5 million Afghan refugees who had fled into Pakistan to escape the war in Afghanistan. The proof that this is true is a matter of history and is inescapable and irrefutable. If you want to know the truth, which I doubt, read ‘The Sett’ which details the intimate (indeed intimate to the point of being sickening) relationship between Pakistans’s fundamentalist dictator Zia al Haq and the CIA. Long before the war against the Soviet Union ever started Zia al Haq was hosting parties for CIA bigwigs where drinking alcohol and other un-Islamic practices were rife. That cosy relationship between the Pakistani intelligence service which created the Taliban and the CIA continues to this day. It’s appalling that you know so little about what I’m assuming is your own intelligence service.

‘As an aside: The United States has been the Goose that Laid the Golden Egg for almost 100 years.  The United States has lifted billions of human beings out of abject poverty and misery all over the globe.  Not Middle-Eastern oil.’

Again where is the proof for this dim-witted and completely outrageous claim? Are you perhaps referring to Chile, Argentina, Brazil: countries which the United States all but destroyed by forcing their insane free market ideology down their throats through the use of torture, illegal detention and genocide carried out by their paid thugs. Name me one country that America has lifted out of poverty and into social justice and social democracy. Just one will do. I can, however, name you a long list of countries that America has invaded, occupied and bombed or where America has overturned the elected government and instituted a reign of terror at the hands of the usual paid thugs.

I can only conclude that you’ve learned your history from Bill O’Reilly or Dick Cheney. Get an education before you spout crap. Since America has lifted all these billions out of poverty it must be one of the most loved nations on the planet. No? Well obviously not if they need 700 military bases stationed in other people’s countries all over the globe. Do you include Vietnam in that happy list of countries liberated and lifted out of poverty by the United States? What complete and utter bullshit.

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By Go Right Young Man, May 10, 2010 at 7:13 pm Link to this comment

A Khokar, - “If tomatoes and cucumbers were the only export from Iraq; US would never had invaded and occupied it.”

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I have myself never seen a suggestion or hint of a working relationship amongst the CIA and Pak-Talib.  We’re talking about bitter adversaries.

Oil

- First and foremost; Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, from the early 1990’s on, presented one of the most pressing threats that faced the globe.  Three U.S. Presidents, a majority in the House and Senate (for over a decade), The United Nations Security counsel and several dozen other nations all agreed on that too often overlooked context.

- Correct me if I’m wrong, however, wasn’t Japan, China, Britain, Germany, The Soviet Union and more, including the United States all attempting to influence the direction of Middle East Oil?  Is it not, even today, all of the above and more whom feel the “national security” need for oil?  Is it not correct to fully knowledge that U.S. interests are in no way unique?

- If I understand correctly it was, in large measure, the lack of oil and gasoline which lost Japan and Germany WWI and WWII. The U.S. and Western Europe could get it and they, thankfully as it turns out, could not.

As an aside: The United States has been the Goose that Laid the Golden Egg for almost 100 years.  The United States has lifted billions of human beings out of abject poverty and misery all over the globe.  Not Middle-Eastern oil.

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By A Khokar, May 10, 2010 at 4:24 pm Link to this comment

Very well said jack and Diamond,

This reminds of saying of one wise man from South America some times ago;

If tomatoes and cucumbers were the only export from Iraq; US would never had invaded and occupied it.

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By A Khokar, May 10, 2010 at 4:09 pm Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man,
Baitullah Mehsud, Wali-ur-Rehman, Hakimullah Mehsud and Noor Sayed all the tribe leaders you have mentioned; they come from this most arid, mountainous and inaccessible barren area.
 
Why this area is so inaccessible, void of civic amenities or without road linkages—unlike other more progressive areas of Pakistan—- that is just for one sole reason that they want to keep this area like that. What could be the aim, their motive? There simple aim is to safe guard their personal businesses and trades——which is growing poppy fields and production of narcotics, kidnapping and arms smuggling.

Making this area accessible or allowing the government writ in this area will jeopardise their entire business empires and they will be deprived of the cheap labour too, which they employ through manipulation of poor local labourers.

Mind you Pakistan is the most liberal country in the world; free of any discrimination. If they like to come in the main stream of Pakistani society; I mean in politics; by all means they will be given the free hand and may have even the whole command of the entire province but they prefer to remain aloof within their own domains.

In all this the overriding factor is that they consider themselves Scot free and love to work as mercenaries that it is their centuries old ancestral profession. They may do anything for money.

When boxes stashed with dollars are opened by CIA in front of them to bring them in their fold; and tells them to act against the government of Pakistan or its Army; they will love to do that and they are doing it. At the moment they are paying some 5 time more to their foot soldier than the regular military soldier. They are equipped with most modern weapons and other IUDs. The transport they use. They have got the FM jammer that even Pak army has been struggling hard to jam their FM radios that they were previously using; they could not till such time that military got some superior jammers from China.
From where they got all this; what are the resources and what are their motives. They happen to be the most money misers; they may not spend a penny out of their own pocket.

The TTP through their subversive suicidal actions and bomb blasts has brought havoc to the main stream society and Pakistan is literally so depleted that it is at the brink of its collapse.

Here is a litmus test; Pakistan is the only nuclear state in the world of Islam; they also consider this country a fortress of Islam. If they are so caring that they love Islam and may do or sacrifice anything in the name of Islam—then why to do anything which brings harm to this country?
Sorry; this is getting lengthy and——Many thanks for your time.

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By diamond, May 10, 2010 at 3:23 pm Link to this comment

You’re hard pressed to imagine it are you, go right young man? Well I’m hard pressed to imagine why you’re hard pressed. Osama bin Laden worked for the CIA in both Pakistan and Afghanistan. He ran MAK which was a CIA funded organization that passed funds and intelligence on to the Mujaheddin. The Taliban’s links with the ISI, Pakistan’s intelligence service (the ISI being a close ally of the CIA), are well known if not notorious so why are you denying any link? It’s simply not credible to do so based on historical fact. The CIA has plenty of foot soldiers to do its bidding and I don’t believe a word the mainstream media says on terrorism, the war on terror or so-called terror attacks. It’s not just smoke and mirrors it’s an entire constructed narrative, scripted by the CIA and acted out like a movie. To call these activities wicked or perverted is to have to face the failure of language to be able to describe some things.

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RE: These groups consider themselves, and openly teach others to be,
mortal enemies of The United States, the Pakistani government, the current
Afghan government and others.

Your logic presumes that the CIA is the “protector” of the USA - think again -
there is overwhelming evidence that global intelligence networks serve the Global Finance
Oligarchy, which holds allegiance to no nation, ethnicity, religion or ideology,
only to its own overriding agenda of global hegemony - if that means aiding
and abetting hundreds of militant Islamic schools and training camps in order to instill
chaos and fail states, to them it’s a justifiable gambit - read what you will of
this: “What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the
collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Muslims or the liberation of
Central Europe and the end of the cold war?” - 1998 interview Zbignieu
Brzezinski - member, Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations,
Bilderberg Group… Berzinski’s real masters, even while presumably serving the
POTUS and his constituents

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By Go Right Young Man, May 10, 2010 at 2:33 pm Link to this comment

A Khokar,

I have studied the Pak-Taliban for many years. I’ve studied Baitullah Mehsud, Wali-ur-Rehman, Hakimullah Mehsud and Noor Sayed.  I am hard-pressed to imagine TTiP in association with the CIA.  The same would go for TTeP as well.

These groups consider themselves, and openly teach others to be, mortal enemies of The United States, the Pakistani government, the current Afghan government and others.

From my position it would be wise to look toward a different context than what you have come to believe.

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By A Khokar, May 10, 2010 at 10:59 am Link to this comment

Sorry for the Typo.

In the main paragraph starting with;
“Matter of the fact is that this Tehrik is the brain child of CIA….”

For: they are pay role of CIA
Please read: They are on the pay role of CIA.

Thanx

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By A Khokar, May 10, 2010 at 10:44 am Link to this comment

Even just for argument sake if we agree that Faisal Shahzad was working for Teherik e Taliban Pakistan (TTP) and he plotted this bomb at Time Squares on their behalf; (reportedly at one stage this was claimed by TTP.)

Then question arises that what is this Tehrik E Taliban (TTP), they work for whom and what are their motives.

Matter of the fact is that this Tehrik is the brain child of CIA; which is financed, supported, trained and guided by CIA. They are payrole of CIA. The main aim of this Tehrik is to deplete Pakistan; through extensive subversive actions; draw in its military forces in the areas of their choice and make them thin out on different fronts and to prove that in the state of anarchy nuclear weapons of Pakistan remain vulnerable.

With these goals in mind TTP was asked to carry out an extensive subversive attacks. Hundreds of suicidal actions and bomb blasts have so far been carried out by TTP in almost all the cities in Pakistan.

The main Military General Headquarters and other military installations have also been made as targets.

Ex-President Pervez Musharraf was also attacked some three times; many people’s travelling along with him were killed but somehow the man survived. Ex-prime minister Shauakat Aziz was also attacked.

Miss Benazir Bhutto- ex-prime Minister happened to be their next target and she was not lucky eneough to survive her assassinated attempt in December 2007.

Whereas the crudest bomb installed at Time square which was certainly not meant to explode—is just a ploy to pressurize Pakistan and divert the attention of Pak Armed Forces to yet another target in Northern Waziristan.

Pak Military has their reservations not to undertake this operation lest they find themselves too thinned out on ground.Its major forces are already committed in other areas. Pak military has the priority to consolidate its positions where ever they are and undertake next operations subsequently.

Anyhow the prime aim of TTP and CIA remains that Pakistan be pressurised and asked to over commit its forces so that TTP has got a free hand to carry out yet more subversive attacks.

Supposedly next target of TTP is likely to be somewhere in the out skirts of the locations where Pakistan’s nuclear installations are located.

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By Leefeller, May 10, 2010 at 8:49 am Link to this comment

Well at least he didn’t say contrived evidence!

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By jack, May 10, 2010 at 8:44 am Link to this comment
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The phrase says it all, nowdays they develop evidence, they do not obtain it, they develop it.

just as his rich “legend” was developed - it’s called “sheep dipping,” and is exactly what was done to develop the legend for the Christmas Crotch Bomber as well - “dipping” him in an Al-Queda-infested gang in Yemen - now directed by infamous Gitmo detainees, heavily cited for returning to their treacherous mission of terror - obvious “rich assets” running an obvious pseudo-gang

The Global War Of Terror is Gladio for the ME for however long its needed to fail those states and bring the populations to their knees begging for Western “protection.”

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By diman, May 10, 2010 at 8:23 am Link to this comment

“We’ve now developed evidence that shows that the Pakistani Taliban was behind the attack,” Holder said on ABC’s current affairs talk show “This Week”.

The phrase says it all, nowdays they develop evidence, they do not obtain it, they develop it.

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By Go Right Young Man, May 10, 2010 at 7:04 am Link to this comment

According to NY. Police Commissioner, Kelly, describing Shahzad as inept is a gross mis-characterization. According to Kelly the bomb that was constructed was quite elaborate. The problem, it seems, came when Shahzad was unable to obtain the proper materials due to strict State and Federal controls.  He attempted to substitute his materials with much less effective substances.

The ineptitude, it seems, is evident in the media and its shoddy reporting.  Not Mr. Shahzad.

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By venturajohn, May 10, 2010 at 5:04 am Link to this comment
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Let’s see if I have this right.  We’re fighting them there, so we have to face them here?

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By jack, May 9, 2010 at 11:31 pm Link to this comment
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...tea bags near the scene… indeed, says it all - short term goal: set so-called Lefties and so-called Righties at one another’s throats… meanwhile The Global Finance Oligarchy advances its agenda of global hegemony “in the shadows,” (under Left and/or Right cover as suites the tenor of the times) and that IS the “conspiracy” - go ahead an dismiss it - dismiss any damned thing you like - then regret it the day you realize that you have been DUPED!

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By Leefeller, May 9, 2010 at 10:14 pm Link to this comment

It must be an inside job, how else can one explain such ineptness of the whole scripted circus act?

Has to be another conspiracy, the tin foil hat crowd can fly with this one!

I believe Fox News is behind this whole thing, it was reported they found tea bags near the scene of the botched crime!

Why is this man smiling?

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By diamond, May 9, 2010 at 3:12 pm Link to this comment

What absolute garbage. If this character was working for the Taliban how come he didn’t know which fertilizer to use in a fertilizer bomb? The Taliban have been blowing things up for some time now, with great efficiency, and how to make such a bomb is something anyone can find out from the internet. This ‘bomb’ was obviously meant to create a fireball and scare the shit out of everyone and allow the morons of the right to claim that Obama is not protecting America. I know who America needs to be protected from and it’s not people who buy the wrong brand of fertilizer for their ‘bomb’. His father’s in the Pakistani air force. Say no more.

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By Jack, May 9, 2010 at 11:31 am Link to this comment
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PATSY  -  global GLADIO for the 21st C.  -
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/FLO502B.html

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