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U.S. Debt Deal FAQPosted on Aug 3, 2011
Still foggy on the basics of this week’s debt and deficit deal? The Guardian has published a no-nonsense guide explaining the meaning and function of the congressional “super committee,” the “trigger,” the “balanced budget amendment” and more, including the deal’s potential future. —ARK
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By tropicgirl, August 4, 2011 at 8:05 am Link to this comment
They got the money, that’s all that matters. Of course the “deal” is ridiculous and always was a total joke.
Played like a fiddle.
Report thisBy Marian Griffith, August 4, 2011 at 6:30 am Link to this comment
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@Gerard
I am guessing that both parties involved are gambling heavily that after the 2012 elections they have a short time in which they control house and senate and can push through their agenda. This may be why they agreed with a deal that objectively speaking is not to their advantage.
And grassroots organisation is very very difficult. Throwing a bag of money at a problem and hire people to convince the voters is much easier. Grassroots is limited by two problems, the first being that few people are sufficiently activist to do more than mouthing plattitudes and stop well short of taking action. The second being that it is very difficult for any to escape out of the social circle it originated in. Few people bridge communities and as per problem one fewer still will be active enough to try to bring the grassroots movement over into another social group.
@erichwwk
There is nothing inherently wrong with trying to balance a budget during a crisis. Or at least trying to reduce the deficit. The difficult part is to do it in such a way that any action taken will not have the opposite effect. Keynesian spending sprees are easier to arrange but they too can make matters worse instead of better (e.g. spending 1.2 billion dollars on ‘quantitative easing’ has done nothing for the economy but instead is largely responsible for the current sad state of the budget, debt and deficit).
If you want to cut cost you must do it where it will not drain spending money out of the economy (which is what much of the planned cuts are going to do). If you raise taxes you must do it on luxury or excess income, not on the necessities (e.g. raising capital gains tax is a lot less damagaging than raising the value added tax).
But ultimately the real problem is that there are trillians of dollars being pushed around that are not real money but invented money by the banks(*). Draining that out of the economy again will be extremly painful and I do not see any politician willing to stand up for that until after the complete economic collapse when it really does not matter anymore.
(* thanks to fiat currency and fractional reserve banking, and the unfortunate deregulation which caused far too much of that created money to flow back into the rest of the economy till the point where it could not be untangled anymore and was taken for actual value instead of currency.
Report thisIn our pursuit of more money we forgot what should be the First Law of Economy (as immutable in its way as the first law of thermodynamics): ‘In any closed econommic system the amount of risk can only stay the same or increase. It can never decrease’.
With that law in mind we could have avoided the subprime mortgage and repackaging bubble (and most other bubbles before I might add), and start prosecuting the perpetrators for fround instead of sort of accepting that they operated within the law while they first drained billions of dollar out of the economy for their own profit and then did it again with the public money that was intended to keep their banks upright in the face of the crisis they had caused themselves.
By gerard, August 3, 2011 at 3:14 pm Link to this comment
Quoting the Guardian: ” Depending on the outcome of the 2012 presidential election, and the state of the economy in 2013, it seems all but certain the deal will be revised and possibly discarded entirely.”
Specifically, what is this “revision” likely to mean for lower middle class people? Or “discarded?”
What does “state of the economy” really mean in this case? What, if any, is the likelihood that the hyper-expensive wars will be ended and the Pentagon will cease bleeding the nation? And increasing corporate taxes—how about that? Or might corporate taxes be precisely what is “discarded entirely” if the short-sighted Republican right minority is allowed to continue to dominate?
Or will Democrats come to their senses? Or what?
Surely there are better alternatives to work for. Why not use the coming election for tens of thousands of nation-wide door-to-door training session? How about “focus groups” on “Liberty and Justice for All?” or “How come I can’t find a job?” or “How come I don’t have anyplace to live anymore?”
The situation is so out-of-balance it’s on the tipping point due for a compensating change. What are we waiting for? Grassroots organizing isn’t all that difficult!
Report thisBy erichwwk, August 3, 2011 at 3:03 pm Link to this comment
The money lines from The Guardian article:
“Will it help balance the budget?
No. Experts say that the amendment as
proposed has significant practical flaws
that make it unenforceable. Further,
economists argue that it is based on
questionable assumptions.”
Indeed. Why would one want to balance the budget during a recession? How can the US dollar be the world’s reserve currency without running deficits?
“The truth is, they want you, you see, to be poor,” Aristophanes wrote in his play “The Wasps.” “If you don’t know the reason, I’ll tell you. It’s to train you to know who your tamer is. Then, whenever he gives you a whistle and sets you against an opponent of his, you jump out and tear them to pieces.”
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