Douglas Chalmers on 4/19 at 3:13 pm
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”...How dare you tell a twelve year child she MUST bear her own father’s child…!”

Really, Logician, stop being so sanctimonious! It wouldn’t be as if she didn’t know what had happened .....and the direct implications for herself. You guys live in such a fantasyland. Instead, you want to “...tell a twelve year child…” that she MUST have an abortion!!!
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So she’s partially to blame???? That is the MOST morally bankrupt statement short of the Virginia Tech killer’s “manifesto”. Next you’ll tell us that there’s no such thing as rape because…“she was asking for it.”

Nobody is DEMANDING that she be forced to have an abortion—we are demanding she
NOT be forced to have a child while she’s still a child.

If you haven’t adopted one of these unwanted children yourself, if you don’t support funding for orphanages and infant health care, and ALL the support systems needed to bring this child up, then you know what you are:

Nothing more than a hypocrite who expects OTHER people to live by his morality, and OTHER people to pay for it.  And those 5 men on the Supreme Court expect other people to pay for it.

Douglas Chalmers,

In Logician’s world, there are never any natural limits placed upon the human being. Other than our own impulses, there is simply no moral context for our behavior. All such requirements are considered intrusions in such an environment and human relations devolve of necessity into a kind of sociopathology. Now, of course, none of this would be complete without the accompanying outrage. And oy, the outrage! It serves as an ersatz conscience in the absence of a real one. But if your looking for adventure, Logician’s planet is just ideal. Surrounded by the all the imaginings of human power, you can have any sexual identity you might decide upon for the moment or perhaps even bring children into the world with someone of your own sex and no one will ever think you’ve been in consultation with Dr. Mengele. Its really quite extraordinary, Logician’s world, and fun just like the day care center.

John Lowell

Logician,

Sorry, chief, but someone’s consenting to an abortion works out purely and simply as self-serving no matter what the rationale for it or a guilty conscience’s wish to explain this uncomfortable fact away. I mean, really, you’d thought that the baby somehow benefits from the experience? Maybe its just that you’re not quite old enough to post comments here.

John Lowell

Another typical judgement by arrogant, overprivileged Republicans. Let’s keep the poor, poorer and of course this proves we are Pro-Life. Now let us send more bullets to kill more Iraqi people in their own homes, own country, never mind that we never had a real reason to invade in the first place, unless it was to steal or control their oil.

George Bush and Dick Cheney are murderers. It is beyond reason to believe they didn’t know the war they launched was unjustified. The attempts by their supporters to exempt them and the people who cooperated with them in the invasion of Iraq is further proof that they knew it was a crime when they did it. And this is Pro-Life?

Some of these women will undoubtedly try to self abort. Will we need to build new prisons to house, control and watch over them until they give birth? If they do self abort while in prison, should we charge them for the crime and keep them in their, and for how many years? If they attempt self abortion and fail, should we take their babies from them? Shouldn’t they be sterilized?

Are the people who want to eliminate sex education in the schools and deprive youth of contraceptives, the same ones who want to end all abortion? Are the ones intent on eliminating social programs that care for children the same ones who think abortion is so hideous? Are the people who see life of the unborn as so supremely precious, the same people who support the massacre of children in other countries, with American taxpayer money?

‘is a great victory for those of us who believe in protecting innocent human life at all stages of development. It’s about time our country ends the barbaric practice of . . . ‘

Pro-life ?  What is “Pro-life” about killing innocent civilians (650,000) in the last stages of human development . . . children, teens, adults in Iraq and Afghanistan.  The so-called “pro-lifers” sadisticaly like to watch people suffer and die once they are OUTSIDE of the womb.

What is “pro-life” about Capital punishment.  Decapitating humans on television; that is really civilized !  How many innocent humans have been mistakenly put to death on death row ?  Another great example of the non-barbaric “pro-lifers”. 

And, as long as there are unwanted children being born who don’t have many other options in life; the military will have sufficient numbers to go to war and sacrifice their lives for the whims of war-mongers and profiteers.

What is “pro-life” about destroying the very planet (EARTH) which sustains ALL life.  We are self-destructing.  There is nothing “Pro-life” about that !

Chalmers,

You say:

“Quote: JasonTromm - “...This is a great victory….’

Oh, really? Are you a woman, Jason? As much as the unborn have a right to life and to be free of the abortionist’s scalpel, women are the ones who should be choosing what happens in their own lives.”

Now, now, there you go shoulding all over yourself.

This decision is indeed a great victory and for women most especially. Women don’t exist in some kind of free zone that excludes truth, you know. Any human being, male or female, is free to make choices within limits but murder’s a shade outside the pale, I’m afraid. And to cast abortion as a responsible choice when the sexual act carries with it from the very outset the possibility of pregnancy is about as morally cogent as Holocaust denial.

Any movement that claims the welfare of women as its purpose and at same times opposes their interests to those of their own children understands neither women nor children. Time’s come to turn Kate Michelman’s picture to the wall and for all of those terribly ideological “wymin” out there finally to make a start on adulthood, eh?

John Lowell

All of you “Pro-Life"ers stick up your hands.  Now leave them up if you adopted a kid.

WHOA!!! Almost all of them went down!

Now leave ‘em up if you adopted a kid even though you and you spouse aren’t infertile…Wait, are there ANY there?  I don’t see any…ANY of you adopt a kid?  If it was because you couldn’t HAVE kids, put your hand down!

Anyone?  What’s that deathly silent sound???

Wait! Wait! I see a hand!  Oh, that’s a mirror—it’s MY hand….But I’m pro-choice—and we have an adopted kid—our younger. 

Which of you Pro-Lifers can say you did what we did—adopted a kid? Not because of infertility, but just because you wanted to.

If you are pro-life you have an OBLIGATION to adopt an un-wanted child, love ‘em and raise ‘em.  Otherwise you are just a big hypocrite—yet again, like all the right-wingers, loudly pushing for someone ELSE’s morality, not your own.

“Partial Birth Abortion” is an invented sin. It doesn’t exist.  There is a perfectly legal procedure, that under EXTREME circumstance, requires IN THE MIDDLE OF SURGERY, a change.  It is THIS change that the dogmatics on the USSC just made, in their medical “wisdom” illegal.  Schmucks.

This is a great day for the pro-life movement.  We have Senator Sam Brownback to thank for rejecting the Miers nomination and getting Justice Alito on the court.

This may reveal amazing self-awareness on the part of the Supreme Court. Imagine, five abortions ruling against abortion.

Could it be they realize their inadequacies, and are attempting to preclude future editions? But that makes no sense.

Aha, that explains it. It is SCOTUS, after all, which is an affliction for which no cure is yet known. But current extensive research in the psychotropic field may yield results, one can only hope.

Am I the only pro-choicer here who thinks that abortions past 12 weeks is horrible (barring some exceptional cases where the mother’s/child’s health is at risk)? 

I think 12 weeks should be enough time for a woman to realize she’s pregnant, and make the appropriate decision.  This is probably the only legislation to come out of this administration that I agree with, but it absolutely mustn’t go further than this.

NOW maybe all you Kucinich fans and Hillary-haters can see WHY all Democrats MUST unite behind whoever is the nominee—100%!

THIS is why competition amongst Democrats must not be bloody and damaging!

THIS IS THE RESULT OF FOOLS LIKE RALPH NADER REFUSING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE DAMAGE HIS EGO AND SELFISHNESS DID!

Had Al Gore been RIGHTFULLY awarded the Presidency (which would have happened w/o Nader) neither Roberts nor Alito would be on the Supreme Court today.

THERE’S Ralph Nader’s “Dime’s worth of difference” for you!

What’s next? The Supreme Court just declared itself the determiner of Good Medicine, which mean science as well. Is the Morning After pill banable? How about ALL birth control? (Reversing Griswold).  Maybe they can outlaw Darwin and enforce “Intelligent Design” as well.

Remember: The Papal Inquisition determined that the planets, especially the Earth, did not revolve around the Sun—and kept Galileo under house arrest, and prevented him from doing research to “prove” it.

That’s what we get with NOT facing reality: Fascists given the job of sitting on the Supreme Court, so they can TAKE AWAY rights!

How much more do you need? Iraq, WMDs, Taxes, the Deficit, MCA, Habeas Corpus, Katrina, and, now, outlawing medical procedures that aren’t blessed by Pat Robertson, Jerry Fallwell, and the Pope! You all are as blind as the Fox Noise ditto-heads!

A tremendous victory for the human race! In the United States, at least, infanticide is no longer countenanced.

It has been for decades now as much commentary on our country that it has been its pleasure to grant legal approval to an unwanted child’s having its skull crushed by some for-profit murder-surgeon with the permission of some utterly self-absorbed mother that it has been willing to launch unjust and unjustifiable wars and torture its enemies. We’ve a long way to go but it won’t be over until were out of the Middle East and have ceased with our baby-killing.

It will always be true that abortion ends a human life as much as bombs dropped in war kill wholly innocent civilians. And an end must be brought to both practices.

John Lowell

This is just one more example of why it is asolutely essential that the next president be a Democrat.  It is a certainty that if right wing ideologues continue to be appointed to the Supreme Court and the federal judiciary, the Constitution will soon become a bittersweet memory.