“Diamond: Please clarify. Was there no plane over
Shanksville or was a plane over Shanksville shot down
by the Air Force?”

There is a book that answers these questions and many others called ‘Flight 93 Revealed’ by Rowland Morgan. It’s well worth a read and it will certainly strip away a lot of illusions about what went on that day.

“9/11 was merely a fifteen minute long incident to have the USA taste its own medicine.  Rest assured, the USA has done ten times worse for ten times as long to other nations than 9/11, even today.”  RDNZL

Yes, and No.
You write as if you believe the Conspiracy Theory, published as the official report of 9-11, by the GHWBushSr entourage. A few million Americans and even more Europeans believe the scientific facts surrounding the “false flag” event.  The first accurate report was published by Dr. Andreas von Bulow, “The CIA and 9-11”.  More recently, organizations of scientists, airline pilots and investigators have dissolved the Conspiracy Theory, official report, churned out by shills of the GHWBushSr entourage. Some of which now state that the report is erroneous.  In addition, a German lawyer published copies of official documents revealing the original hole in the pentagon to have been made by a US Cruise missile. As I recall, fifteen of the original 19 alleged “Muslim” saboteurs have been located; alive.  A couple may have choked to death on the $100 bills in briefcases the CIA paid them. Three of the four aircraft were located six months later, still in service of their original airlines. 

All scientific information indicates that cabinet-level leaders of the USGOV, including the US Military, coordinated the events of 9-11.  Especially the explosions in the Pentagon, after the Cruise missile, that killed the team investigating the “disappearance” of over two (2) trillion dollars.  If you believe that a 757 could crash into the pentagon without depositing tons of aluminium, blood, guts and baggage on the pentagon and the grounds beneath, you are neither a former pilot, nor an aviation mechanic. Nor a critical thinker.

Unless you are speaking categorically, it is not precisely accurate to state that “the USA has done ten times worse for ten times as long – etc.  Millions of Americans are grieved at the decisions of USGOV leadership, and its tool, the NAZI element of the CIA, in creating coups around the world, and continuing to murder millions of innocent people in their homelands.  Not to speak of the hundreds of Americans who have been assassinated, such as John F. Kennedy, Sr. and John F. Kennedy, Jr., who planned to turn control of the USA over to Americans.  The industrial-military complex intervened, led by a double-handful of individuals, whose continued fortunes were placed in question.  Nor were Americans polled by the Dulles brothers, who paid NAZI SS General Gehlin to reconstruct the duties of the OSS into an organization named the C.I.A., while 200 NAZI scientists were provided falsified family histories and falsified US Passports and secreted into the US, against the directive of President Truman, 1945-1947.

Even former NAZI scientist, Dr. Werner freiherr von Braun grew to appreciate the USA so much, that he began in 1974 to reveal to his cohort, Dr. Carol Rosin, the disinformation plan to frighten Americans into slavery.  Fortunately, Dr. Rosin is again active, and spreading the truth about the false flag events and fairy tales about comets hitting the earth, and extraterrestrials planning to attack the earth. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/exopolitica/exopolitics_vonbraun.htm 

The latest question relates to the 55 bunker-busters that the Obama entourage has turned over to the Zionist leadership of Israel.  Is their plan to use them on Iran exclusively?  Or does the crew in the USA and Israel who presented the world with 9-11, plan to use a few of them creating additional false flags?  Some of us have a good idea of what to anticipate from the US and Israeli crew that presented the world with 9-11.  MORE OF THE SAME.

D.R. Zing:  Thanks—glad you liked the poem.

Just one thought:  No one is God, not even god.

We need more notable commentors like professor Krugman who people listen to and TPTB find hard to censor.

Billy Pilgrim, We went over flight 93 being shot down, are you that thick?

@OzarkMichael
“The substantive arguments were not included”
And you are still not forthcoming with these devastating truths, except to claim that they are.

Cool poem, Moonraven. 

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As for symbolism: Paul Krugman is God.

RayLan said: And what pray tell might that substance be, since the attacks on Krugman were quoted verbatim

That was clever, but a lie. The substantive arguments were not included, so it certainly isnt ‘verbatim’ as you implied.

Was there no plane over Shanksville or was a plane over Shanksville shot down by the Air Force? Perhaps drbsenile can give us his up to the minute version of what happened on 9-11?  by Billy Pilgrim

There is much more to the Shanksville, PA, element of the 9/11 event than a “yes – no” answer to your rather boxed-in question permits. A great deal of information has been on-line for nine years, which you may have overlooked, not to mention the various books. Other bloggers have repeated some of it in other blogs. In summary, all three airliners, alleged to have been destroyed in 9/11, were subsequently located, in-service with their original airlines.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/26/us/26agent.html?pagewanted=all

I decline to return your insult. You do an adequate job on yourself, without my assistance.

Intimations of the Next World

18.

Pompeii was buried
under ash in just 2 days;
the Paricutín
appeared 1 day in a field
in Michoacan, erupted

belching boulders and
buried a church up to its
bell towers. Silence
is a page of history
written just after the fact

and continuing
through this moment in which past
becomes the future.
10 years ago in New York
an ideological

sleight-of-hand reduced
the twin towers to rubble,
and still no one can
determine for sure under
which shell the pea is hidden.

38 years have
passed since Pinochet’s planes bombed
La Moneda on
orders from Kissinger and
Nixon, when Allende’s skull

erupted in an
AK-47 blast
of ideas still
marching, alive in the streets
of Santiago, Chile.

The state of siege still
prevailing in Indian
Country has not yet
silenced the prediction of
Chief Seattle that the white

man’s time of decay,
the implosive finale
to his exemption
from the common destiny
will arive. Will he survive?

@OzarkMichael
“Of course , the substance of our(conservative) criticism of Krugman’s article isnt addressed here at Truthdig.”
And what pray tell might that substance be, since the attacks on Krugman were quoted verbatim

Of course , the substance of our(conservative) criticism of Krugman’s article isnt addressed here at Truthdig.

The cowardice of the Left is legendary.

I’ve always viewed the events of 9/11 and afterward as the fruits of conspiracy..

The questions are how many conspiracies? who was involved?

Without question their was a successful conspiracy to shield those in charge at the time from most any responsibility or even scrutiny.. This crime itself is in my view the solid ground for many other conspiracy ‘theories’. That conspiracy of secrecy and silence and protection is ongoing and picking up power and
speed as Americans tire of trying to get any full truth from our Government. It’s poisonous to our democracy.

The Big Conspiracy theories? Friendly Missiles and gangs of demolition experts bringing down the Towers. Brainwashed President’s with chips in their heads. . and the like. It’s too much. Sorry.. right or wrong I’m founded in a smaller reality. Please don’t try to convince me here! .. I have seen and read it all.. It’s provocative and even fun.. I just don’t buy it.

Yet I’m not opposed to the idea of other conspiracies or theories.. the Theory of Evolution, Theory of Flight, Quantum Theory (as much as I grasp of that) Climate Change Theory.. those all seem perfectly sound to me! .. just referring to something as a theory doesn’t automatically debunk it.

Here’s something that would make a positive difference in our basic understanding of 9/11 and actions afterwards.. should be easy to do as well.. From now on when somebody on any side of the issue says ‘only 100’ or ‘100,000’ or ‘11’ or whatever number of civilians or children or wedding guests were actually killed (in response to a larger figure).. never again argue the numbers.. say instead OK! we’ll use your numbers.. now bring us the people who killed that many children and doctors and nuns and taxi drivers and mothers and teachers and plumbers.. in chains.. and let’s try them for war crimes and murder.

Simple!

Adios!

Thank you Paul Krugmans of the world.

This truther business is to be expected on the decade long orgasm that is
9/11, but come off it already.  You’re missing the big picture.

As a student of history, I believe we should always question authority, ALWAYS. 
However, questioning the authoritative narrative on 9/11 is not to expose
conspiracy.  A much more relevant task is demonstrated in Krugman’s courage. 
The collapse of Building 7 is child’s play.  Understanding the true motivations of
why so many would kill themselves to destroy us is the true task. 
Understanding how our own fears will ultimately bring us down requires the
real investigation.  I don’t ever doubt the intelligence of many truthers; you’re a
smart lot. Just focus your energy on the big picture.  Use your talents to educate
your friends and neighbors.

It should be clear that 9/11 was blowback resulting from United States dominionist foreign policy.  Just as forts were employed to extend American dominion over the Native Americans, foreign military bases are being used today for world dominion. There are roughly 1,000 foreign military bases across the globe.  That is attempted dominion.  Foreign Peoples know this and are fighting to prevent the West, in particular Western banks and corporations, from dominating and supplanting their cultures.  Wealthy Western entities are not just attempting to establish World Government but also World corporate dominance.  It’s damn the torpedo’s full speed ahead.  It’s an all out, winner take all attempt by elite Westerner’s at World domination.  It’s an ill fated attempt and will lead to Western economic collapse.  If truth is what people want, there it is.

People who accuse Krugman of cowardice ignore the courage that it took for Krugman to speak truth to the overwhelming power of 9/11 sentiment on 9/11. Krugman courageously put his status in jeopardy with his 9/11 comments. Truth is more important than status to Krugman and such is a profile in courage, his integrity is safe and secure while his status as a commentator and journalist has been placed in jeopardy.

Bush and Cheny, are first class creeps and traitors, and should be tried in Nuremberg
for war crimes.

They believe they are above the law, but they are not.  Krugman is right. Are you
listening Obama, stop kissing their butt and start kicking their asses.

The timing of P. Krugman’s statements was excellent. Writing about this many
years from now would not have the same relevance. Thanks, Paul, for your
perspective and courage.

Uncounted tragedies can be placed on the alter of 9/11. The biggest one, IMO is the final shredding of what little remained of our Constitution and the Bill of Rights on 9/10.

Just as the towers collapsed, so too did our morality and belief that we could rebuild after the damage of the post Reagan years.

Now we are photographed, spied upon, and bullied, by the very people who claim to be “protecting” us. Fear is spread before every holiday - and especially when 9/11 is due to be re-experienced on every TV program, front page, and editorial page in the Nation. Even the comics don’t give us a break - no, we have sappy hearts and flowers from the best of them.

The International Agenda is worse. Neither the UN [god help impoverished Haiti], nor NATO, are anything more than Bully Boys for the EMPIRE. Even the World Court and the Nobel Committee echo the corruption of most Governments and Corporations. I don’t even want to think about the Politicians, Bureaucrats, Military, and Wealthy - Most of them offer new definitions of Evil and Greed.

I spent most of the weekend nursing a sick cat and avoiding any public events, newspapers, and even the internet most of the time [including the majority of my left-wing commentary sites]. Fantasy books and Sci-Fi have become a refuge, rather than a joke these days.

Viva Fidel, Chavez. and the ILWU! Without them, the world would be bleaker still…

Diamond: Please clarify. Was there no plane over
Shanksville or was a plane over Shanksville shot down
by the Air Force? Perhaps drbsenile can give us his up
to the minute version of what happened on 9-11? Twits
like me must be educated.

Krugman speaks well for America. He loves America and thinks highly enough of it
to criticize it, because he expects better. And so should we.
http://abledanger.de

“What we do know is that 9/11 was a horrible crime. What we do know also is that crime is being covered up by a conspiracy, we have names of 103 involved against whom we have sufficient evidence to warrant an immediate criminal investigation.”

It was a horrible crime and there’s never been a criminal investigation into it. This is astounding or would be if I didn’t understand why that has happened. There’s a wonderful movie called ‘Five Moons Square’ about the kidnapping and murder of Aldo Moro, Prime Minister of Italy. At the end of the movie, Donald Sutherland, who plays a venerable Italian jurist goes to see a group of judges and politicians to whom he intends to hand all the evidence he has gathered about what actually happened to Aldo Moro. But when he gets there he sees his ‘friend’ and ally, the man who stood at his side all through the gathering of the evidence standing there with the corrupt judges and politicians and he realizes that he wasn’t actually there to help him gather evidence but to spy on him for the people who arranged the killing of Moro. He realizes that all the evidence he has gathered is useless because there is literally no one to give it to. If he gives it to these people they will destroy it to protect themselves. He realizes finally that every institution in Italy is corrupt and has people in it who are complicit in the crime and in that circumstance justice is not only denied it literally cannot exist.

This is exactly the situation with 9/11. The evidence shows very clearly that all three buildings were blown up and that there was no plane at Shanksville, no plane flew into the Pentagon etc. but there are people in every public institution in America who either had foreknowledge of the event or were actively involved. The law, the media, politicians, corporations, intelligence operatives, the Pentagon and even NORAD are implicated so to whom do you take the evidence? This is why no number of citizens’ ‘hearings’ and ‘investigations’ will have any force, the elites are not going to investigate themselves and find themselves guilty. It’s much, much worse than Watergate where there was still the will to stand against corruption and criminality because most of the people involved belonged to one political party: that’s not the case with 9/11, though it was overwhelmingly a right wing operation. Watergate only explored the political aspect of the corruption of American public life but it goes much deeper than that and 9/11 shows how endemic that corruption is.

Krugman didn’t say anything of any consequence. Its all a distraction and a fuss about nothing. Its a smokescreen. Nearly everyone who reads this website seems to understand nothing anout what really happenned and won’t even look at the evidence.

People like Gordon Duff’s Veterans Today spell it out in Great Detail.

Now why the hell would an American Veteran do that? Don’t you realise that he is risking his life publishing this? Its probably more dangerous than fighting a war, but all you lot seem to be comfortably numb consuming the pre-digested words presented directly to your brains.

Try reading Gordon Duff instead.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/09/12/savagery-911s-legacy-of-crime/

Extract

“Savagery: 9/11’s Legacy of Crime”

“Nothing Dishonors the Dead Quite Like Lies

By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor

“Never have I been as sickened and ashamed of being an American as yesterday. In more than 6 decades of life, I have seen America ignore mass murder, put vicious dictators in office, sold its history of heroism and sacrifice to a pack of international bankers and thieves.

America, as almost every American will tell you, is a nation run by a pack of crooks and tyrants who crush a population being pushed into poverty with the help of a censored and controlled press.

This is one thing almost all Americans agree on, they just blame different people for causing it. I suggest Americans blame themselves.

..there are the groups, families of victims, the first responders, police and fire, the pilots, the military, the veterans, the engineers and architects who all say 9/11 was a staged false flag terror attack that had nothing to do with hijackings.

Only one real poll has ever been held, in Australia, seeing who supported these ideas. The surprise?

77% held these beliefs, beliefs that didn’t receive a single word of mention on 9/11. That is the nature of censorship, of tyranny, of dictatorship under the guise of democracy.

America is simply a dictatorship with a controlled press, where elections are held between carefully screened candidates and even those are rigged.

How do you define a criminal? How many do they have to murder? How many crimes before someone goes to jail? If you are poor, the answer is “one.”

If you are powerful and control the press, there is no answer at all.

...What we do know is that 9/11 was a horrible crime. What we do know also is that crime is being covered up by a conspiracy, we have names of 103 involved against whom we have sufficient evidence to warrant an immediate criminal investigation.

I have certainly lost faith in the US government, no secret there. Not having faith in government is about as patriotic a thing any human can do….

One view of the (dis)honorable guests confirmed the old adage,
“CRIMINALS USUALLY RETURN TO THE SCENE OF THE CRIME.”
Perhaps ten years had lapsed in the meantime. However,
they still returned to the scene of the crime.

To whom did GHWBushJr pray?  To GHWBushSr ?
MK ULTRA techniques can last a long time.

In my opinion the shame lies in the fact that for ten whole years the powers behind the United States government have continued a regimen of self-pity, violence and denial, in spite of the self-evident facts that:  No. 1: The U.S. is by far the richest and most militarilly overwhelming nation in the world, and No. 2: By its murderous and manipulative behavior has continued to turn away from self-examination, confession and reform. 

The conceits supporting the “exceptionalism myth” look to bring us all crashing to the ground unless we can recognize our dark side and bring it under rational and legal control.