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“The People of Fallujah Love Cindy Sheehan”

Posted on Nov 30, 2005

Sunni leaders who are still willing to participate in the Dec. 15 elections told Marines in a meeting in Iraq that they are encouraged by the actions of activist Cindy Sheehan and others who are calling for a U.S. withdrawal.

According to a Washington Post report:

“The people of Fallujah love Cindy Sheehan,” declared Farouk Abd-Muhammed, a candidate for National Assembly in Dec. 15 elections, referring to the mother of a slain Marine who became a U.S. antiwar activist. He spoke Tuesday at a pre-election meeting of local leaders in Fallujah, 35 miles west of Baghdad, scene of the largest U.S. offensive of the war in November 2004.

Abd-Muhammed described watching recent television reports with his family showing Americans waving banners that read “Stop the war in Iraq.”

“I salute the American people because we know after watching them on satellite that they are ready to leave,” Abd-Muhammed said.

“We know that there are now voices, even in the Congress, that want America to leave Iraq as soon as possible,” said Fawzi Muhammed, an engineer who is the deputy chairman of Fallujah’s reconstruction committee. “It makes us feel very happy and comfortable because it is the only solution to the problems in Iraq.”

Sheehan should be congratulated for showing the Iraqi people and the rest of the world what democracy is all about.






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By Pablo, December 10, 2005 at 8:44 pm Link to this comment
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If Iraqis were in your mind full humans like Americans, you would have no trouble understanding this, because if Americans had to endure the same treatment, they would undoubtedly respond the same way - including with suicide bombings.

That’s pretty sick, Peter. I’m sorry for you.

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By Peter Attwood, December 8, 2005 at 6:57 pm Link to this comment
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1) Among other things, there are lots of suicide bombings in Iraq now, and other car bombs and such like directed against civilians.  Before the invasion, these things never happened in Iraq.  From zero to the present level is an increase.

If Iraqis were in your mind full humans like Americans, you would have no trouble understanding this, because if Americans had to endure the same treatment, they would undoubtedly respond the same way - including with suicide bombings.  Remember that the American hero in the movie “Independence Day” was a suicide bomber who flew his plane into the alien ship, and the American audiences thought he was a hero - a shahid!

Indeed, this is just what happened with the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, which with American help became a swell training ground for bin Laden and his friends.  The difference here is that the Americans are also antagonizing people themselves instead of just training people to attack somebody else.

2) Biological identity and therefore descent has little importance, except in biological matters like genetic diseases you might have inherited biologically.  We’re not talking about your biology here, but about your politics and spirituality, and that you’ve taken not from where your biological ancestors came from, but from where you were born and grew up. 

Wherever in Europe is not your homeland anymore, and their history is no longer yours.  Your homeland, as you’ve shown by your adherence to American mythology and your identification with American power, is the United States of America, and the Americans who made the US you grew up in are your fathers.  They are the ones from whom you’ve learned to identify with the US and to approve its actions today.

And that mentality, Americans as a superior form of life and the rest of the world inferiors to be educated, pitied, dominated, and most of all exploited and controlled proceeds directly from the mentality of the slave plantation and the terror of the wilderness which had to be subdued and tamed, its inhabitants annihilated to make way for the American master race. 

Hitler was quite frank in confessing that the American Indian genocide was the inspiration for his plans for the east, and that American slavery inspired his ideas for enslaving the west.  The kinship is in the common belief both of the Nazis and the Americans that they are just naturally superior, and that others are inferior.  That always leads to slaughtering and enslaving people for their own good, and the resulting guilt in turn demands the herrenvolk philosophy that explains it away.

The downward spiral in this feedback loop is obvious.  But the answer, while difficult, is simple and obvious.  It is simply to admit the truth and find mercy.  Americans, like others, are not defined by our origins and the lies we have inherited unless we seek to justify them.  We can, in the words of Alcoholics Anonymous, undertake “a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves,” and that would change everything.  We’re stuck simply because we have continued in brazen self-righteousness these 400 years, thereby perpetuating the problem we have sought to anesthetize by it.  Rightly did Eric Hoffer say, “There is a guilty conscience behind every brazen word and deed.”  Americans would do better to make that “searching and fearless moral inventory” than to continue brazenly electing themselves to fix others, thereby multiplying guilt.

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By Pablo, December 8, 2005 at 2:36 am Link to this comment
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Peter, once again you’ve attempted but failed to address my very simple question: Is there any evidence that American policies have created/are creating more terrorists?

As for my forefathers you have no clue as to who and where they lived, or what they might have done in their lives. You also have scant little evidence from which to proclaim your knowledge of my thoughts and actions, yet you also do that. I have no idea what possesses you to jump to such foolish conclusions as “you distance yourselves from the deeds of your fathers back in the day, but you think just like them, and so you do and talk just like them.”, but such pronouncements are indicative of your deeply flawed thought processes.

BTW, my family was in Europe until the early 1900’s. So, tell me again about the slaves, Peter. And then you can tell me about your father’s male prostitution, ok?

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By Peter Attwood, December 7, 2005 at 11:47 am Link to this comment
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I failed to address a couple of your other points:

The reasons I know the Iraqis want the Americans out are at least three:
1)  The British commissioned a poll, just leaked, that 80% hold that opinion.  Even the United Iraqi Alliance ran on that platform, although they renged on it once they came to power.  But they knew what they had to say to get elected,
2)  Only massive popular support permits a guerrilla force to sustain itself among a population against a militarily superior force.  If the people are against them, resistance movements fail, as Mao Zedong correctly observed.
3)  As Rabbi Hillel stated, “Whatever you hate do not do to others.  This is the whole Law; all else is commentary.” As you may remember, Jesus reworded this slightly.  Now if the Chinese army came to the States and did as the Americans have done, breaking into people’s houses randomly and dragging away thousands of innocent people and disapearing them, appointing a Chinese intelligence agent is our President, devastating entire cities and driving their inhabitants out into the winter cold, rewriting our laws so that Chinese corporations could plunder our economy, and instigating ethnic hatred by having white supremacists patrol black neighborhoods and imposing black militias on recalcitrant neighborhoods of white flag-wavers, I know how Americans would feel about that - and without the British taking a secret poll!

The way you talk about how the Iraqis want the Americans there is just how the white supremacists accused “outside agitators” of “stirring up their nigras.”  Colored people LIKED the white supremacist regime, and northern liberals just didn’t understand that.

It’s as Jesus explained it in Matthew 23 - you distance yourselves from the deeds of your fathers back in the day, but you think just like them, and so you do and talk just like them.

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By Peter Attwood, December 7, 2005 at 2:02 am Link to this comment
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By your own most acceptable definition, attacking civilians with the primary objective being to instill terror in them, there’s no doubt that the principal terrorist force in Iraq is the US military, which is so barbaric that even British commanders have complained in public about their abominable behavior.  That torture is now official American policy should tell you what daily practice is - even the French in Algeria didn’t make it official.

Since the Basra police picked up two British SAS men with explosives, clearly intending a false flag bombing, and the Iraqis likewise picked up Americans with explosives in Baghdad no long ago, the common Iraqi belief that the Americans and their Iraqi agents are doing some of this to blame the resistance has some support.  This is certainly in line with the Pentagon’s denial of Newsweek’s report that they were going to do the “Salvador” option - the policy of sponsoring death squads, which they thereby implicitly admitted doing then, even as they denied it at the time.

The Americans admitted that their sanctions regime had killed 500,000 children by 1996, and Madelaine Albright, who deemed this “worth it” on television, was then confirmed as Secretary of State 98-0.  The lives of Iraqis are worth the lives of Indians back when, aren’t they?  When you come to Iraq, the military welcome you to “Injun country.”  They are so shameless that they themselves freely link that genocide to this one!

People act out of their fundamental beliefs, not according to their illusions about how virtuous they are.  Genocide is the fruit of every ideology that claims that one’s own group is superior, and hence that all others are inferior.  It is precisely the American sense that it is the light of the world, the city on the hill, that makes our nation so barbaric.  In others it is clear.  The Nazis behaved as they did because they knew themselves to be the Aryan master race, and the Stalinists because they were the vanguard of the proletariat.  Such self-conceit is the same in all, and so brings forth the same fruit - including the conviction that we are nothing like all those other monsters.

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By Pablo, December 6, 2005 at 2:35 pm Link to this comment
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Peter, I’ll ignore the reckless ad hominem assumptions you’ve decided to leap to, and I’ll let you frame the question your way just as long as you’ll be so good as to answer it.

Before any sensible discussion of “terrorists,” one needs a definition.  Yours above seems to be anyone who fights the American invaders…

Personally, I think a terrorist is one who commits attacks against civilians with instilling terror as the primary objective. But for the sake of this discussion, and for those who repeatedly claim that we’re “creating more terrorists” I’m willing to use what you somehow assumed my definition is: those who attack the US and our allies/interests, such as the Iraqi people. You know, the ones who keep dying when they suicide bomb mosques and markets and such. I would think that they’d have to rise to the level of plotting or taking violent action, though. I don’t think I can accept that anyone who dislikes us is a terrorist. Can you?

So, assuming we can agree on a definition of terrorists, how do we know we’re creating more of them? Are we? Got any evidence of it?

Speaking of evidence, how about evidence that anything anywhere near a majority of Iraqis think we’re tormenting them, and want us out now? Surely, there are some Ba’athists that aren’t the least bit happy with our presence, but aside from them, where is the Iraqi opposition?

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By Peter Attwood, December 5, 2005 at 7:39 pm Link to this comment
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Before any sensible discussion of “terrorists,” one needs a definition.  Yours above seems to be anyone who fights the American invaders— the way the Nazis used the term in occupied Europe, having an ideology like American exceptionalism of being better than anyone else and therefore doing the world a favor by dominating it.  The tree brings forth its fruit, and similar ideologies bring forth similar deeds.

Another definition, say that of the US DOD or State Department, would reveal that the Americans themselves are terrorists—look them up.  Interestingly, these definitions agree well with the Bible perspective—“spreading your terror in the land of the living.”  Have you noticed that American officials when speaking of terrorism NEVER refer to their own government’s definitions?

Torture, wantonly dragging people away to concentration camps, depopulating cities and driving their inhabitants out into the winter cold, collective punishments of civilian populations - forbidden by the Geneva Conventions because the Nazis did this - are all acts of terrorism.  Terrorism is American policy, and has been since the first “bad nigger” was flogged half to death in front of the others to fill them with terror.

No doubt you approve because of the dire threats being controlled by these actions.  That’s why your fathers tortured slaves, and that’s why the Nazis annihilated Jews.

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By Pablo, December 4, 2005 at 4:46 am Link to this comment
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You don’t seem to realize that by our arrogant and insensitive treatment, we’ve created more.

I hear this all the time, but I’ve never seen a shred of evidence to support it. Got any?

By now, at the rate we’ve supposedly been “creating more terrorists” there should be eleventy million of them. Where are they, and why do so many Jordanians want them dead?

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By Peter Attwood, December 2, 2005 at 4:03 pm Link to this comment
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Well, I’m NOT a “lefty,” as far as I know, although who can be sure until someone gives us a definition?  I am a Christian, one who follows Jesus.  From him I learn that we should heartily support the Iraqi people in throwing the Americans out, because Jesus said to do to others what we would want done to us.  What we would want others to do, if a foreign army was occupying the US and behaving here as the occupiers do there, is to get out the story of what they were doing to us and help us in every way to throw them out.  Therefore, let us do to the Iraqi people what we would want done to ourselves: do all we can to bring about the defeat and expulsion of their tormentors as soon as possible.

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By Gilbert Labiaga, December 1, 2005 at 5:25 pm Link to this comment
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I salute you Sir for continuing your crusade for truth. You were fired by LA Times because you pursued truth!

Keep up the good work.

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By Rush Limbaugh's Rogue Pharmacist, December 1, 2005 at 3:32 pm Link to this comment
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By most insurgents I presume you mean “Iraqis who are tired of us occupying their country”.  You don’t seem to realize that by our arrogant and insensitive treatment, we’ve created more.  And Fallujah?  Well, just check out to see some of the weapons we used on those people.  That city was basically shut down after Bush threw a hissy fit because four of our soldiers were hung up and embarassed on that bridge.  Now evidently even residents need all kinds of proof just to get to their homes and the city is closed off to everyone else.  Just how do you define an insurgent?

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By nathanael johnson, December 1, 2005 at 9:47 am Link to this comment
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um lets see…........a candidate from fallujah…...where did i here that name before…..oh yeah thats where teh insurgents were .......says…........SAYS that the people of fallujah love cindy sheehan….......i dont know whats worse….......that you lefties take what a political candidate who is obviously opposed to the war as fact or that insurgents support cindy sheehan and you think that is a good thing….......i guess critical thinking isnt really very important to you guys…

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By Cherie, December 1, 2005 at 6:09 am Link to this comment
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I’m delighted you have started this site.  It gives me another where I am more likely to read the truth.  I’ve read Robert Scheer’s columns for years and was dumbstruck when the L.A. Times struck his work from their editorial page.  Good Luck!

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By Teddi, November 30, 2005 at 11:07 am Link to this comment
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I am very happy to be able to read your columns and not have to search the LA Times to find you.  You now sit on my “toolbar” and I can find you with one click!
All of the people who can’t see what is happening in Iraq have only to put themselves in the place of the Iraqis and imagine how they would react to being invaded and occupied by another country.  Then they would see why there is an “insurgency.”

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By Antoinette, November 30, 2005 at 9:54 am Link to this comment
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What an irony. It takes a mother of an American soldier to show Iraqi civilians what Democracy is all about? I guess the Willy Pete, Torture and breaking down their doors didnt show them our Governments vision of Democracy.

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