Vote in ranked-ballot fun-poll for Ron Paul’s vice president!

http://www.demochoice.org/dcballot.php?poll=PaulVP2012

They are scared shitless enough to ‘juke the stats’ on Ron Paul, Diebold, Media misreporting and all.

Just shows there is a man behind the curtains.

Eric Sapp, in an article, entitled GOP Must Choose: Ayan Rand Or Jesus, published in The American Value Network, a Christian Right Group, on May 27, 2011 – had called upon American Christians that they must choose between Jesus and Ayan Rand. He quoted Rand saying “she is out to destroy the Church and Judeo-Christian morality. She argued that people had to choose between following her teachings or those of Christianity and other religious traditions. Rand said religion was “evil,” called the message of John 3:16 “monstrous,” argued that the weak are beyond love and undeserving of it, that loving your neighbor was immoral and impossible and that she was out to undermine the idea that charity was a moral duty and virtue“. Watch a video below.

http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/07/01/christians-must-choose-christ-or-anti-christ/

Hey Wind
Ayn Rand attended Greenspan’s “swearing in ceremony” for “The chairman of the board of economic advisers” in 1974.
Thanks for keeping me honest.

Rob
I attended a tea party here in Kansas City hoping it was against the Wall St. bailout.
All they spoke about was wanting a flat tax.
(They just changed the name to fair tax)
There was a Ron Paul booth there with some young folks around but not much support. The tea folks I asked about Ron Paul said they didn’t like him because of his foreign policy.
You really can’t lump him in with the tea nutz.

ps.If you google (greenspan/ayn rand) THIS truthdig artical comes up third (sorta funny I thought)

Ron Paul’s beliefs and other characteristics are probably irrelevant.  It’s interesting, however, to watch the boss media carefully throttle his candidacy.

@madisolation,

“Robespierre115, Paul would not give special consideration to corporations and they are essentially on their own, with no bail-outs and no tax breaks. he says he’d go after the corporations that committed fraud or broke the law in any way, and we know they’ve done that over and over.”

The problem with that sort of American brand of libertarianism stance is that it’s based on a fantasy land where corporations and CEOs will on their own choose to behave and be decent citizens. Paul will surely leave corporations on their own without bail out and tax breaks, but the flip side of his philosophy is that there would be less regulation on how these entities operate, so yes they will be on their own…literally!

As for the second half of your response, I will not vote Democrat or Republican. I support the idea of forming new, popular movements as they’ve done in Latin America over the last decade, molded and suited for our own conditions of course, to overthrow the old state and establish new systems. It’s the only way. What’s sad is how people apparently think Paul is the only option here, instead of doing the hard work of creating and building.

“the real guy” - probably a done deal - Neocons swinging back into the saddle
with their kind a guy:

“...the Victor of Mesopotamia, the Thinking Man’s War Monger, the Eisenhower of
our Era, darling of the MIC and of the MSM: Generalissimo Augustus Petraeus…”

If Ron Paul was to get the attention of the media as any of the other candidates, he would elevate the the level of discussion of real issues by which the Democrats would have to address in their campaigns.

Defunding the wars and reining in Wall street are very popular with the rank and file Americans but the mainstream politicians besides Paul refuse to make them real campaign issues.

Notice how Truthdig has relegated this blog to the bottom of the page, even though it’s gotten more comments than the drivel Eugene Robinson wrote. They put it at the top for a little this morning and then did exactly what they’re saying other news places do.

SarcastiCanuck said:

“The problem is that Ron Paul isn’t Hollywood enough for the masses,where Bachman is kinda foxy,has good legs and says and does stupid shit now and then.She even has a hubby who can cure homosexuality.Now thats Hollywood. Ron,get a few tatoos,get some leather pants with the arse cut out,ride a chopper without a helmet and go deer hunting with a bazooka.That will get the media’s attention and you the presidency.The masses want ‘reality’ t.v.,not intellect….Boot that hawg, Mr.President…”

You are, sadly, more correct than most people would accept.

Morri Creech said:

“Paul is being ignored because he has ideas and takes actual positions on issues; politicians must not be allowed to do this. Those who refuse to conform to the prevailing narrative, the accepted “talking points,” and the reigning ideologies of the day must be marginalized as cranks. Meanwhile Bachmann, who is comforting to many because of her ignorance of basic facts (a grasp of facts is deeply intimidating to those who do not have it themselves—especially when facts conflict with passively received cultural myths, however confused or incoherent), her desperation to please the public by avoiding any substantive economic or foreign policy stances, her eagerness to equivocate, her conformity to media and popular expectations of style over substance, and her moral egotism make her a much more suitable candidate for public office. The mainstream media in particular do not abide candidates who advocate real ideas because they fear losing control of the political narrative which they feel entitled to dominate—one that can be shrunk to sound bytes and talking points bereft of any historical context. None of this, though, should be surprising to anyone.”

This is the other side of the same coin.  Between the two of you, you have pretty much nailed it.

I think Bachmann’s and Paul’s job is to bemuse certain segments of the party.  When the time comes the real guy will be inserted, almost certainly not a theocrat or a libertarian.

Also, pumping up people like Bachmann, Palin and Perry gets the proggies excited and they use up all their energy fighting the demons.  But they probably like it.

No,not everyone,but enough to affect election results.                              Ralph Nader,was and is absolutely right,marginalize
people who will attempt to ameliorate “our” condition.
Entertain the public,distract and confuse them with rhetoric that can be taken by either party.This,is sold and bought,at our own peril.
Thanking you for your attention to this matter -
8/16/2011

While I’m no fan of Ron Paul, he actually, of all the Re-thugs running, is the only for whom I have a shred of respect.
He’s as much a threat to the Republican establishment as he is to the Democratic one.  He’s probably the only authentic anti-neocon in the race.  All the rest pretend to be, if at all.

Even the dumbest Re-thugs realize that the neos did more damage to the nation than anyone imagined.  Nobody even TALKS about the Cheney/Rumsfeld policies on their side.

But only Paul is truly against them.

Still, I don’t trust a guy who speaks to neo-nazi and racist groups and who advocates anarcho-capitalism.

Wow.  That is soooooo surprising.  Nobody could ever have foreseen that.  That is inexplicable.  I sure can’t think of any reason why the corporate media wouldn’t love Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is entrenched in the Austrian economic model, which, I think is very sound as far as monetary policy and its stand towards the Fed and central banking. On the other hand, it seems a very nationalist agenda, with twinges of John Bircherism mixed in. Go to the Lew Rockwell site and Mises.org and hang there awhile to get a true feel for what Paul is about. I can’t help but think that the Keynesian model is an economic model that we need to get away from. At this point, it would almost seem that any viewpoint that gets us away from rampant militarism would be a good first step.

Alphysicist—You’re quite right.  Ron Paul’s ideas, especially his anti-imperialism, are anathema to most of the Republican Party and to the ruling class.  It won’t matter how many polls and votes Paul wins.  If it looks like he might win the nomination, he’ll be removed by whatever means are necessary.  But there is very little chance that, with Wall Street and religious money against him, he’ll get that far.

You don’t see anything similar in the Democratic Party because the Democratic leadership spent years getting rid of their leftists, or at least making sure they had no influence.  In the last decade, they also did what they could to manipulate and then destroy the anti-war movement as well.  They can do this because they can pretty well count on the proggies to come home on election day.

kevsmif80, I’ve also noticed how little attention left wing sites are giving Ron Paul. Well-known liberal sites publish crap on Bachmann or Perry all the time, but they—just like the corporate media—won’t even discuss Ron Paul. It makes me suspicious of their goals. I think the “leaders” on those sites have their own agendas, whether it be “access” or advertising revenue or just trying to stay relevant.
If they won’t urge people to look around and see what non-Democratic Party candidates have to offer to challenge Obama, then they aren’t worth a crap when it comes to helping the people in this country. Heck, they won’t even urge people to re-register as an independent. Their agenda seems to be a combination of “Obama’s Screwing Us Over,” but “Look! Scary Republicans!” It keeps their followers asleep until it’s too late to do anything effective.

Robespierre115, Paul would not give special consideration to corporations and they are essentially on their own, with no bail-outs and no tax breaks. he says he’d go after the corporations that committed fraud or broke the law in any way, and we know they’ve done that over and over.
What I’d ask you is this: What are we going to be living under if you elect the same Corporate Party candidates over and over? Do you honestly think the status quo parties are better? How do you propose to make conditions better for the people living here? Maybe write an email to Obama and your Congressperson, asking them to please change their ways?

Thats a question that Truthdig should challenge the msm to to respond
to. Given the msm dedication to ignore any candidate that stands for
Americans first and foremost the answer is obvious to most.

Why is everyone ignoring Ron Paul?

Several reasons:
+ The Iowa straw poll means exactly nothing. Romney won it last time but it wasn’t his turn so he didn’t get the nomination. This year it may be his turn. This goes double for 2nd place.
+ Paul won the Virginia straw poll last time. So what?
+ Wacko right wing Dominionism Christianity is pretty far out there but not as far out there as a political philosophy based on the ravings of a crazed sociopath enamored of a serial killer.

RE: @blogdog, please enlighten us on how Paul plans to control or keep at bay the further corporatizing and privatizing of the country by applying his libertarian (American brand, in Europe it means something else), no government values? There’s a reason why much of the Tea Party sees him (and his son) as visionaries.

failure to cite Paul’s proposal to rest the Federal Reserve from global money changers displays lack of differentiation between productive industrialists and financiers - and there is a significant difference between those who produce something of value, precipitating productive job creation and those who simply push paper and collect interest

Paul’s far from my ideal - Nader, DeFazio, Sanders, Kucinich maybe - at least DeFazio proposed a Tobin Tax (Wall Street Sales Tax) - would go a long way to reining in speculation and getting a fair-share contribution out of Wall Street… but there’s little hope anyway

as for the so-called Tea Party - get real - they’re dupes and buying into their presumed ‘power’ is taking on a fools- mission of a debate - the Tea Party are useful fools and little more - useful in further dividing under classes and distracting them from the common enemy: THE GLOBAL FINANCE OLIGARCHY

what the Tea Party’s so-called representatives did with the phony debt-ceiling crisis led to a total sell-out by the puppet POTUS - the 14th Amendment trumps the entire faux crisis - the whole circus was a grand-standing orgy - they should all get a spanking!

As for the Iowa Corn Pone Circle Jerk - it’s all theater - the one personage never to stoop to such a grovel, is now waiting in the wings as the virtual Deus Ex Machina, 11th hour, GOP salvadore entry, at the last minute descending to do his duty for the nation, after being ‘drafted’

I write of none other than the Victor of Mesopotamia, the Thinking Man’s War Monger, the Eisenhower of our Era, darling of the MIC and of the MSM: Generalissimo Augustus Petraeus

He will deny seeking office, will not stoop to seek office, to campaign - will mount and command his chariot from one victory parade to another, across the nation - saluting and addressing the citizenry as their protector and champion…  Obomber will crumple like the feckless creature that he is

the empire will expand and continue its demise, initiated 9/11/2001 - http://vimeo.com/21358374

Ron Paul is ignored because he is not favoured by any of the dominant Washington lobbies: the military lobby and Wall Street.  He is actually taking on both of them: he wants to end stupid wars and bring the troops home,  and he is a fiscal conservative (anti-Fed, pro-gold-standard).  He is the real Tea Party (not Sarah Palin or Michele Bachmann).  I hope he wins!

One has to give some credit to the Republican Party (at least in a relative sense).  In 2000 the left-wing maverick, who campaigned on real progressive change, as opposed to never-ending compromise with the afore-mentioned lobbies, namely Ralph Nader, was treated with unlimited contempt by the Democrats.  Paul has not been sidelined nearly to the same extent as Nader.

On the other hand it also seems that the neo-con wing of the Republican Party is constantly trying to hi-jack the Tea Party with candidates who pretend to be anti-establishment but in reality they are just the same old, same old (Palin, Bachmann)...

As a “progressive” I would vote for Ron Paul in a heartbeat over the current crop of pond scum being offered, including O’Bummer. His solid record opposing the criminal Bankster Federal Reserve and MIC war profiteering makes up for his faults on the domestic front.  Besides, I am beginning to come around to the Tea Party point of view that we might as well starve the beast, but for the reason that our bought and paid for government is broken and incapable of properly serving the people.  So if we fund the government we simply fund more corrupt Corporatist policies.  Screw it, this rigged game is simply not worth the costs.  Starve the Beast!!

The media is so rigged. I hope Paul shocks the GOP bosses. We’ll never have
enough money to keep up with the Corporate State, so I would relish voting for a
Paul/Kucinich ticket.

Yes, they are…Ron Paul is a real Republican…and he is the only Republican who can
hold the Republican party accountable for its lies and larcenies….

And he is the only man capable of destroying the Republican party by making the public
aware of what its become. 

They fear him.

So support him however you can…

Yeah and the main slime media cannot seem to get the nerve to ask any of the Republicans about their vote substitute vouchers for Medicare.

@chip, ok, then let me revise: We would be living in an even more complete version of an Ayn Rand novel.

@blogdog, please enlighten us on how Paul plans to control or keep at bay the further corporatizing and privatizing of the country by applying his libertarian (American brand, in Europe it means something else), no government values? There’s a reason why much of the Tea Party sees him (and his son) as visionaries.

chip, August 15 at 6:55 pm Link to this comment

hey Rob
We HAVE been living a Ayn Rand novel ever since Regan appointed Alan Greenspan and Ayn Rand (Greenspans hero) attended Greenspan’s nomination.
***********

Can you please explain how this is possible?  Ronald Reagan appointed Alan Greenspan chairman of Federal Reserve system in….
1987
Ayn Rand died in…
1982

oops…

hey Rob
We HAVE been living a Ayn Rand novel ever since Regan appointed Alan Greenspan and Ayn Rand (Greenspans hero) attended Greenspan’s nomination.

Then Obama “fixes” wall street by changing nothing. 

Obama would never share a stage with Ralph Nader either.

RE:

1. “...He would also bring all our troops home from all foreign country’s…(sic)”

this alone would do more for humanity than anything any candidate proposes

2. “...his domestic ideas would be Republican policies on steroids…”

doubtful: his ideas on taxation would do a lot for small business - his proposal
to take the Fed out of the hands of private global money changers would put
half of Wall Street out of work - why not? let ‘em pick cotton

Why are people so obsessed with Ron Paul? His foreign policy ideas are common sense, but his domestic ideas would be Republican policies on steroids, imagine a society with 0 regulation on corporations, private interests etc. If you want to live in an Ayn Rand novel then by all means vote for Ron Paul.

Ron Paul should ask Nader to be his VP.
Let the Media ignore that.
Maybe Kucinich if not Nader, It sounds like he will be out of a job soon. 
Nader and Paul both shared a stage and agreed on many points right after the 2008 campaign.
Ron Paul also said he and Kucinich supported many of the same bills in congress.
When Paul was asked on c-span in 2008 if he would consider Kucinich for VP. He didn’t laugh or even rule it out.
Ron Paul believes the government has no business telling people what they can put in their body.
The media describes this as wanting to legalize heroin.
The Democratic party takes my vote for granted so they do nothing to earn it.
In the primary Ron Paul will get my vote.
If you have not heard him yourself, give him a listen.
We could do a LOT worse than Ron Paul as President.
He would also bring all our troops home from all foreign country’s.

The media (rather the corporations who own it) is scared shitless of Ron Paul and it shows.