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Posted on May 7, 2010
AP / Pablo Martinez Monsivais

Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee Chairman Joseph Lieberman takes his seat Wednesday at the start of a committee hearing.

A new bill by everyone’s favorite Sen. Joe Lieberman and newly elected Massachusetts Sen. Scott Brown aims to give the State Department permission to yank the citizenship status of individuals who allegedly ally themselves with terrorists and terrorist groups.

While tough-on-crime folk may see revoking U.S. citizenship as a tool in their holy war against terrorism, civil rights groups are already crying foul. —JCL

The New York Times:

Proposed legislation that would allow the government to revoke American citizenship from people suspected of allying themselves with terrorists set off a legal and political debate Thursday that scrambled some of the usual partisan lines on civil-liberties issues.

The Terrorist Expatriation Act, co-sponsored by Senators Joseph I. Lieberman, independent of Connecticut, and Scott Brown, Republican of Massachusetts, would allow the State Department to revoke the citizenship of people who provide support to terrorist groups like Al Qaeda or who attack the United States or its allies.

Some Democrats expressed openness to the idea, while several Senate Republicans expressed concern. Mr. Brown, who endorsed aggressive tactics against terrorism suspects in his campaign for the late Senator Edward M. Kennedy’s seat, said the bill was not about politics.

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By purplewolf, May 8, 2010 at 9:04 am Link to this comment

If this goes through let’s see which politicians are first in the line up of these terrorists.

Cheney comes to mind, he made our interceptor planes stand down when they could have intercepted the plane/missile that hit the Pentagon at 9-11-definitely the act of an informed terrorist, just his company connection with Halliburton and KBR(G) with their shoddy practices, work quality and equipment failure time and time again(BP’s caps that blow out with 20 hours in installation or less) that have reeked havoc upon the Gulf, electrocuted military in showers built by the spin off of Halliburton. Then there is Gov. Perry of Texas encouraging the succeeding of Texas from America along with Sarah and Todd Palin with that of Alaska for the same game plan years ago.

These are true traitors to America and it is obvious through all of their lies that they truly don’t love America so as they tell us, Sarah says to get the hell out. Take away their citizenship as their true colors have already been exposed, they are certainly un-American and they will not be missed anyway. And take that idiot talking box known as Joe “LIE"berman along with them.

Then Rush, Glen and Billy’O can go. Hey Rush, why are you still here, thought you stated that if the health care bill went through you would pack up and leave this country, then why are you still here?

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By samosamo, May 8, 2010 at 8:11 am Link to this comment

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Then why didn’t old joe doubleblow liarman turn his citizenship
card in and go strait to saudi arabia, oh, that’s right izrael is his
terrorist state of choice.

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By Charles, May 8, 2010 at 3:14 am Link to this comment
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I don’t understand the purpose of this. If a foreigner commits a crime in this country, aren’t they still allowed Miranda rights and a trial?

I don’t get where embracing fascist-sounding ideas is going to make us safer. Personally speaking, these type of laws scare me way more than the terrorists. Who will protect us from government abuse of these laws? And it’s not a matter of if they would ever abuse them but when and how.

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By mcthorogood, May 7, 2010 at 10:02 pm Link to this comment

Rather than revoking citizenship for terrorists, why doesn’t the U.S. sign and ratify the International Criminal Court treaty, so that we can begin to prosecute the real terrorists.

http://www.bushtothehague.org/about/

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By Daniel, May 7, 2010 at 9:20 pm Link to this comment
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This reminds me of the old joke they had in Nazi
Germany they told on “Hogans Heroes.”  The Gestapo
guy, Major Hochsteder would say something like “You
vill be taken to Berlin, given a fair trial and
afterwards you vill be shot!” This is the logic, or
lack thereof, proposed by those two fascists from the
Northeast, Lieberman and Brown.  RIP Bill of Rights!

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By SteveL, May 7, 2010 at 9:18 pm Link to this comment

Talk and act like a complete idiot and find yourself in the headlines. Joe
Lieberman obviously has it figured out.

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By B. Carfree, May 7, 2010 at 7:33 pm Link to this comment

If people begin to lose their citizenship for supporting terrorists, there goes the Republican party.

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By CPerez, May 7, 2010 at 6:04 pm Link to this comment
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Aren’t these some of the same people who are screaming against ANY type of legislation that would deny the right to buy a gun from people who are on a suspected terrorist watch list???  Yet they have no problem stripping a naturalized American citizen of their rights and citizenship based on their suspected ties to terrorist organizations???  Really??  So tell me something, if it’s found that there is a naturalized citizen participating in the KKK, will his citizenship be stripped? 
The Black Panthers? 
The Russian Mafia?? 
Those who support Jewish radical groups?
The white militia groups who promote the overthrow of our government?

This is just more of the reactionary, knee-jerk, xenophobic nonsense that sends a message to those who would have us destroy our own country by acting in fear that they are succeeding in their goal.

Strip them of citizenship based on suspicion?  So what happens when someone goes on to, oh say, Fox news and presents a story that “exposes” someone as having terrorist ties?  And then it turns out that the story was a blatant lie?  But it isn’t put out that it’s a lie until the damage is done?  You know, like the whole ACORN - Pimp/Prostitute tapes.  Pure fabrication widely trumpeted on Fox news.

“We’re going to keep the country safe!”  Yeah.  Tell me, how many of the people that took over the planes on 9/11 were naturalized citizens?  Was Jihad Jane a naturalized citizen?

And send them to tribunals instead of a court of law???  What happened to this country that our justice system is not adequate for trying people for crimes they commit?  We used to be a nation of laws.  We used to be a nation that did not fear it’s own shadow and we were stronger as nation for it.  I guess after all those years of fear-based politics, it’s pretty much accepted as part of who we are now. 

So sad.

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By amunaor, May 7, 2010 at 3:18 pm Link to this comment

Yes CaptRon, Joe Liebermann, definitely has a plumbing problem; I suspect even an overdose of fiber would have capacity for clearing such an acute clog as this!

Perhaps if someone in the audience could stand up and produce ‘Joe the Plumber’s’ phone number and forward that to the other Joseph’s over-reaching hand.

It is much deeper than this!

The ‘global war on terror’ has simply overwhelmed these trigger-happy brains, they become easily startled by all sorts genie’s escaping from dark lanterns; whose manufactured fumes are a result of their own ignorance; venting from the overworked imaginations, they begin to see terror, do terror and hear terror everywhere.

Joe has become a walking textbook example for such a malady. They reflect what they do to others. The answer is: stop the bloody, savage murder that is being carried out in order to satisfy and fullful our selfish addictions!

Peace, Best Wishe and Hope

“Just look at that pile of dead bastards over there”
WikiLeaks—Collateral Murder
http://wikileaks.org/

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By CaptRon, May 7, 2010 at 2:12 pm Link to this comment

I put this out for opinion:
Why not just charge these “citizens” with treason, which is already in effect? No need for any new legislation. This also keeps these people in control of the USA via life imprisonment or death sentences instead of releasing them out to the world. They get Miranda or legal representation rites either way. If Lieberman is saying use covert torture interrogation prior to having to litigate, I still don’t agree. Has anybody noticed that less and less experienced politicians are getting into bed with Lieberman? He and McCain need to eat more fiber as it seems their bodily sewage system has backed up into the brain.

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By grumpynyker, May 7, 2010 at 1:08 pm Link to this comment
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It’s always Muslims.  Pay no attention to the thieving
“MUSLIM” Wall Street hedge funds owners using
derivatives to rob countries blind. Ignore the
apartheid Jewish state carved out of Palestine some
sixty-odd years ago to appease religious
zealots(Muslims naturally) to create a “homeland” for
European jewish survivors of another ethnic cleansing
program (caused by Muslims again) smack dab in the
nexis between Western Asia and Northeast Africa. 
Feign ignorance over the blatant WAR CRIMES committed
by this occupying military and its NUKES, the
PALESTINIAN ETHNIC CLEANSING, the land potable water
theft INSIDE/OUTSIDE the region.  The REAL terrorists
are the zionist/neocon GNATS INCESSANTLY whispering in
any President’s/politician’s EAR (who bother’s to
listen or accept their blood money) OR MAKING
PRONOUNCEMENTS ON TV/RADIO/NEWSPAPERS/BLOGS, ETC. that
America must attack unarmed Muslim countries
IMMEDIATELY because they have the temerity to attempt
to develop nuclear technology to protect their sovereignty(and natural resources) from rapacious
corporations.  Strip
Madoff,Perle,Kristol,Wolfowitz,Feith,Rice,Summers,
Rumsfeld, Cheney,Bush family, CIA plant Barry Obama,
Wall Street CEOs, et. al. of THEIR CITIZENSHIP/ASSETS
AND SHIP THEM TO GUATANAMO ASAP!!!!!!!!!!

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By amunaor, May 7, 2010 at 12:56 pm Link to this comment

This is precisely why one should not give matches to imbecilic children to play with!!!

I vote to strip Joe Liebermann of his citizenship, simply for being a power mad leach! Someone, please take these matches away from this fool, please!!

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

“Just look at that pile of dead bastards over there”
WikiLeaks—Collateral Murder
http://wikileaks.org/

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By Nova, May 7, 2010 at 12:43 pm Link to this comment
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Wouldn’t it be interesting to hear these guys scream if they were suspected of
terrorism and had their rights taken away. No lawyers, no trial, just render them
and torture them until they confess. All based simply on suspicion.

If they feel it appropriate to take away citizenship AFTER conviction in a fair trial
(per the U.S. Constitution) as a punishment let them discuss it. But to take it away
based simply on suspicion? I shudder to think of the dictators we have fought
both hot and cold wars against who would agree with Lieberman and Brown.

Perhaps we should all send supporters of this bill copies of the 14th Amendment
to the U.S Constitution. Especially since they seem to have not ever read it.

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By lapdogs, May 7, 2010 at 12:38 pm Link to this comment

And “I’m Sure” Senator Lieberman thought of everything with this new
Gestapo Law (trial, what trial) - like what he would have done with Richard
Jewell (Atlanta Olympics) and Steven Hatfill (Anthrax Attacks).

What?  You didn’t think of innocent people who were arrested for a
terrorists act they had nothing to do with - and they didn’t get their
reputation back right away?

This law has FAIL written all over it!!!

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By Jason, May 7, 2010 at 10:45 am Link to this comment

Hello Americans,

Why do you elect people like this?

Thanks,

A Canadian

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By felicity, May 7, 2010 at 10:35 am Link to this comment

WHAT THE HELL IS THIS?  These are the same people who want to ‘suspend’ the reading of Miranda rights to someone suspected of engaging in terrorism. 

I remember when the Miranda ruling came down from the Court.  Conservatives went ballistic.  Nevermind that the right to remain silent, the right to have an attorney present, the right to be represented by an attorney provided by the court were well established by their beloved Constitution.  But informing some poor slob that he had those rights?  What’s this country coming to?

And now they’re set to revoke citizenships from people suspected of belonging to, sympathizing with the philosophy of some Muslim group (terrorists or non, there won’t be a difference.) 

All I can say is you don’t belong in a democracy because you never cease to try and undermine it.

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