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Tensions High Between Colombia and Venezuela

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Posted on Dec 20, 2009
Venezuelan helicopter
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Venezuelan soldiers, shown in 2008, watch over a military helicopter about 50 miles from the Colombian border.

Tensions are running high, and relations running low, between Colombia and Venezuela. The latter’s president, Hugo Chavez, told his generals to prepare for war, while the Colombian government announced a new base on the countries’ border and activated six air battalions.  —JCL

The BBC:

[President Hugo Chavez] moved 15,000 more troops up to the border, accusing Colombia and its ally, the US, of planning an attack.

[...] Colombian Defence Minister Gabriel Silva announced the formation of a new base in La Guajira in the north, near the Venezuelan border.

At the same time, the Colombian army activated the new airborne battalions, which are equipped with US helicopters.

The helicopter fleet, made up mainly of Blackhawks, now numbers 120, making the Colombian Army Air Corps the best equipped and most experienced in Latin America, the BBC’s Jeremy McDermott in Colombia says.

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By samosamo, December 25, 2009 at 8:56 am Link to this comment

By Ulises Jorge, December 25 at 5:02 am

No apology needed and it is good to know that basically we
are of the same mind set, I just call my self an independent
and after observing the dems taking over congress in 2006
and the white house this year or won it in 2008, I find myself
really to be libertarian as you claim.

There is absolutely something horribly wrong with this
country and its facade of a republic using democracy as the
governing system because it absolutely is an oligarchy,
plutocracy, corptocracy well just owned and operated by the
corporations and their ambition is milton sh*tf**k friedman’s
economics of the ‘free unfettered global market’ which as I
have mentioned that every time it has been forced on any country
the country’s economy basically goes to hell and the only
winners are the few heads or owners of these corporations
and I don’t need to go any further than saying just look how
lobbyists are allowed to criminally bribe the people WE elect to
make and pass laws that benefit them and if anyone thinks
that isn’t so, just try to go to your elected representatives in
the senate or the house and do the same; you can’t because at
the least you would have to have that sack/briefcase stuffed
with a lot of money and that is one of at least two main
problems that needs to be fixed now or yesterday.

Your mention of the unwillingness of the people to do
anything about problems as I just described or stop our
military meddling in other countries brings me to the other
major problem and that is the neoconservative ownership of
the mainstream media( tv, radio, newpapers, magazines) and
these 4 owners now, I believe, control everything you see,
hear or read and the only thing left besides a few places like
NPR, PBS that will do a decent job of informing the people, are
books.

But the neocon owners what to inform you or not by
providing disinformation, no informaton, fluff/celebrity crap
of useless never ending stories about nothing(tiger woods is
the current fluff du jour), movies that are huge mental
magnets that most or a lot of people have come to believe is
what real life is all about, and the advertizing, again trying to
make people feel like they are what the are not in the
propaganda of commercials and the never ending round of
spectator sports.

All of that is to keep people’s minds from the real issues and
it mostly never allows a person to think for themself.

Any way, I am running long and have to go eat with the
family.

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By Ulises Jorge, December 25, 2009 at 1:02 am Link to this comment
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Samo,

O.k… first, let me apologize. Forget about that
“leftist brain” stuff I wrote, it was the right wing
in me who thought I was in the typical leftist-
ideologue web site..You’re right, I don’t know you…
and you don’t know me, so introductions are in
order.
Ulises is my real name and I’m from the Dominican
Republic.  I moved to Puerto Rico in 1985 after high
school and to Florida last year.  Politically, I’m
really the libertarian-live-and-let-live type, or
what they call now a classic liberal who believes in
the individual and not in the system. 
My country, the Dominican Republic is really “fuck
up”, to use your terminology.  Yes, the economy has
been growing, we get oil at good terms from our
“friend” Hugo Chavez, but basically we are governed
by a political mafia.  We have two major political
parties; the Dominican Liberation Party (PLD) and
the Dominican Revolutionary Party (PRD), supposedly
the “socialist”. 
Both parties are nothing more than a political mafia
and the only difference between them is that the PLD
is more efficient in screwing up the people so that
they don’t feel so much pain. Whatever you think
political corruption is, is nothing compared to what
these two parties has done to my country.  And guess
what.. this is where you and I really diverge.. it
has nothing to do with your country.
Yes, the U.S. is the big bully in the neighborhood…
but the U.S. are not to blame for how “fucked up” we
are as a country.  Is a convenient excuse, but fact
is, we as a people are getting what we deserve. 
Democracy and liberty is hard work.  They demand
citizens willing to fight for what they believe in…
and I can tell you.. we don’t have it in us… and
there’s nothing that the U.S. did about that.
What really bugs me about the way you see our
situation is that it implies that we, Latin
Americans, are helpless people unable to take charge
of our own destiny… and that is what led me to
write in the way I did in my previous comments.  I
just don’t like condescension.  The U.S., like every
country in the world is just looking after its
interest… and you can bet that if it was not your
country, it would be somebody else… that’s the way
it’s always been, since the time o the Romans.

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By samosamo, December 23, 2009 at 3:09 pm Link to this comment

By Ulises Jorge, December 21 at 11:40 pm

Since you won’t declare from where in South America you
originated from, I can’t say too much how ‘fucked up’ the
country you’re from may have been but, let’s see, you’re 41
means you were born in or around 1968, which means you
could or may have experienced or remember Chile’s or
Argentina’s ‘privatization’ of either or both country which was
just the beginning of the ‘unfettered economic policies’ for a
free private’ market in several and eventually all of the those
S.A. countries, where any or all of the social services that
helped the populace were privatized for the benefit of the few
and instead of creating jobs and thus lower unemployment , it
did the opposite and drastically, like unemployment from 25%
to 60% since it was an american, little milton turdf**k
friedman, whose policies were carried out not just by the
opposing side in those countries, it was also AIDED by
american’s especially in the cia and with the new breed of
american creep, the economic hit man.

There are books around all about this and how it also spread
to many other countries in the world and every time the
country’s would experience a virtual total economic collapse
that would take decades to recover from and many S.A. have
recovered enough to not to rely on any jerk off from america
whether he is with the IMF, WTO or World Bank coming to ‘make another deal’. They learned not to trust american ‘economic help’ and I am happy about it because the idea of a ‘global economy’ or should I say ‘globalization’, is what
gives corporations the ability to ‘fuck the people’.

I still want verifiable evidence that the 7 new bases in
Colombia, I think it is 7, are NOT U.S. bases or controlled by
the U.S.

And if you think america is just such a wonderful honest
country and would do nothing to create animosity between
countries be they friendly to each other or hostile, then you
are the biggest cabbage head in that msm garden that that
special fertilizer can produce.

One credit to you, you are looking at stuff on this site and
hopefully you are not just a troll trying to keep repeating a lie so
that some here might just believe it.

And last, you’re hispanic, good for you, I have known several
fine people are hispanic in my life.

I don’t suppose you have read Naomi Klein’s ‘The Shock
Doctrine’ have you?

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By Ulises Jorge, December 21, 2009 at 7:40 pm Link to this comment
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samosamo,

I’m 41 and although I technically arrived in the
U.S. in 1985, up to last year I’ve been living in
Puerto Rico. Now I’m in Florida, close to Orlando
which you may have heard is heavily hispanic. 

With that, let me explain my response to your first
comment.  You said:

“Now the new american military bases in colombia can
get to work on fucking up South America again.”

The bases the article is referring to are
Colombians, fully funded with Colombian taxes.  Yes,
the U.S. is Colombia main military ally. So what?
Nice to have the world only superpower on your side
when facing murderous leftist mafiosos masquerading
as as guerrillas.

Your comments about the “american military” “fucking
up South America again” reflects your ethnocentrism
in which everything is about “America” and what
Americans supposedly have done to the rest of the
world.

But most Latin Americans (such as myself) are smart
enough to know who is “fucking us up” and keeping us
down.  It’s our own politicians, both from the right
and from the left, who keeps blaming “external
factors” when they mess things up (see, Chavez, Hugo
and Castro, Fidel).

Somehow, small countries such as Costa Rica, Uruguay
managed to prosper, even with the U.S. trying to
“fuck them up”.  Does that register in you little
leftist brain? Gee, when you take care of the basis,
educate your people, feed them and keep them
healthy, there’s no amount of imperialistic
maneuvers that can “fuck you up”.

This blame America crap you keep spousing is passe,
you know?  You just don’t know it because “you a
very fine example of the very well cultivated
mainstream media vegetable garden.”**


** I stole that phrase from you…

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By ender, December 21, 2009 at 6:15 am Link to this comment

Of course we do not need another war in the world, much worse in Latin-America, but it would very much sparks if Chavez continue advocating and asking for it.
Both south american countries are known for their weak economies and for not giving human basic needs, such as drinking water, better health and housing opportunities, jobs and education as well to its citizens.
Harmony is the best tool for peace, especially if history and nieghborhood are the core of brotherhood, therefore, Chavez must break such war tension, which was created and builder by himself. 

Kirk Nelson, from New York, USA


What universe do you live in Kirk?  We supported regimes that were committing genocide agains the native inidos tribes and used death squads to stifle protest.  Venzuela has what we cannot seem to do..Universal Health Care.  The literacy rate under Chavez has gove from the lowest to one of the highest in South America.  Chavez isn’t paranoid.  The US really has tried to stage two coups to overthrow his democratically elected gov’t.  It’s public record.

Columbia is not building new bases, THE US IS, MORON. We are the ones trying to pick a fight.  A working democratic socialist gov’t in an oil producing state SCARES THE HE77 OUT OF WASHINGTON.  Chavez has every reason to gear up for war.  We are set on another campaign of nation destruction.

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By samosamo, December 21, 2009 at 5:47 am Link to this comment

By Ulises Jorge, December 20 at 10:38 pm

You don’t know me and you damn sure don’t know anything
further back that who won the last game you watched and that
makes you a very fine example of the very well cultivated
mainstream media vegetable garden.

‘Leftist’, you sure don’t know me but you do support the past
administrations of the last 40 years and most likely smile on
them with your twisted approval, and just like a chicken hawk,
just keep talking ‘america can’t do no wrong’ and keep
believing in milton turdf**k friedman’s disaster economics;
and btw, how much do your senators and representative send
you in earmarks and pork money?

Who was your favorite head jerk, rear-end ronnie reagan or slick willie clinton?

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By Kirk Nelson, December 20, 2009 at 8:26 pm Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

Of course we do not need another war in the world, much worse in Latin-America, but it would very much sparks if Chavez continue advocating and asking for it.
Both south american countries are known for their weak economies and for not giving human basic needs, such as drinking water, better health and housing opportunities, jobs and education as well to its citizens.
Harmony is the best tool for peace, especially if history and nieghborhood are the core of brotherhood, therefore, Chavez must break such war tension, which was created and builder by himself. 

Kirk Nelson, from New York, USA

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By Filler Crowley, December 20, 2009 at 7:45 pm Link to this comment

Well, I guess now we get to see whether oil money and revolution is enough to overcome American money and death squads.

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By Ulises Jorge, December 20, 2009 at 6:38 pm Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

Samo, Monta:

Where do you get your ideas that this has anything to
do with the USA? WTF? Can you quit with the
americentric crap long enough to really pay attention
to what’s going on? Colombians have a right to build
bases where ever they please inside their borders…
*sigh*... why am I wasting my time with brainles
leftist..?

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By samosamo, December 20, 2009 at 11:29 am Link to this comment

Now the new american military bases in colombia can get to
work on fucking up South America again.

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By montanawildhack, December 20, 2009 at 11:10 am Link to this comment

God damn the Ulcered Sphincter of Amnesia… Is there any acre of this globe that we can’t keep our stinking, greedy little paws out of?????

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