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Syria on the Verge of Civil War

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Posted on Jan 15, 2012
AP / Muzaffar Salman

A Syrian man stands beneath a banner of President Bashar al-Assad during a rally in December.

The Arab League and the rest of the international community seem at a loss to prevent rising tension and violence in Syria from driving the country into full-blown civil war. “Stop the violence. Stop killing your people. The path of repression is a dead end,” U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon pleaded Sunday at a conference in Lebanon.

“Day by day, Syrians are closer to fighting each other,” an activist near Damascus was quoted as saying. “Bashar has divided Syrians into two groups—one with him, one against him—and the coming days will bring more blood into the streets.” —ARK

The New York Times:

The opposition speaks less of prospects for the fall of President Bashar al-Assad and more about a civil war that some argue has already begun, with the government losing control over some regions and its authority ebbing in the suburbs of the capital and parts of major cities like Homs and Hama. Even the capital, Damascus, which had remained calm for months, has been carved up with checkpoints and its residents have been frightened by the sounds of gunfire.

The deepening stalemate underlines the extent to which events are slipping out of control. In a town about a half-hour drive from Damascus, the police station was recently burned down and in retaliation electricity and water were cut off, diplomats say. For a time, residents drew water in buckets from a well. Some people are too afraid to drive major highways at night.

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By heterochromatic, January 17, 2012 at 10:08 am Link to this comment

Pat—- I appreciate parenthetical endeavors, but asked
for you to explain which international laws and
protocols we broke in Libya.

We can’t apply Iraq to Libya because they are far
different and we can’t apply Nuremberg to Libya without
any explanation at all…it doesn’t quite fit.

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By PatrickHenry, January 17, 2012 at 4:15 am Link to this comment

Tic,

The first post outlined what a ‘war of agression’ in the Nuremburg trials.

It fits this case well.

http://www.apj.us/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3828&Itemid=2

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By blogdog, January 17, 2012 at 1:21 am Link to this comment

Arab League Observer Mission Teams Continue Tours of Syrian
Governorates, Observer Team in Homs Denies Reports of Coming Under Fire

Jan 15, 2012
http://sana.sy/eng/22/2012/01/15/394502.htm

GOVERNORATES/CAIRO, (SANA) – The Arab League monitor mission teams
continued their tours of Syrian governorates and areas.

A team of observers visited Bab Hood neighborhood and al-Mazraa village in
Homs and the town of Tadmur in Homs countryside.

In Hama, a team visited the National Hospital and Masyaf countryside, while
another team visited Salkhad area and al-Karia village in Sweida and met with
families of maryurs.

An observer team also toured the city of Banyas in Tartous and al-Bukamal
town in Deir Ezzor, with one other team visiting the Railways General
Establishment in Aleppo where they were briefed by its Director George
Mukabari on the damages caused to the Establishment’s facilities, vehicles and
railways by terrorist attacks.

In Raqqa city, a team of observers witnessed a mass rally in one of the city’s
squares in which citizens expressed their unity and devotion to Syria.

Arab Observers Team in Homs Denies Reports of Coming Under Fire

The Arab League observer mission team in Homs on Sunday denied media
reports that they came under fire.

A statement by the Arab League said that the team in Homs couldn’t reach a
place where a car exploded at Bab Hood, leading to the burning of a number of
shops and cars without casualties among civilians, and that the monitors
couldn’t reach the place because of the crowds there.

The statement added that the observers tried to reach the scene of explosion
later, but they heard random and sporadic shootings, so they didn’t go to the
location.

Mazen / H. Sabbagh

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By heterochromatic, January 16, 2012 at 8:09 pm Link to this comment

Pat—-the first link was about something other than
Libya, the Pravda thing was an anti-NATO rant from
the Russians and is last is an allegation from a
South African politician that the mission to protect
Libyans was justified but the actions went too far
because Gaddafi’s hold on power was broken.

Mbeki didn’t happen to mention which international
laws were violated by this action. merely says that
the result was excessive.

Mbeki himself was part of a struggle to overthrow
another despotic regime (quite admirably and
justifiably so in my view), and as Mbeki’s formal
studies were of economics and not of law, I’m not
surprised that he hasn’t any citations or direct
references.

So again, thanks for the reading list, but “where’s
the beef, er brief?”

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By blogdog, January 16, 2012 at 12:39 pm Link to this comment

RE: ...I’m entirely opposed to he Syrian Baathists… - so what - now I’m
really done

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By heterochromatic, January 16, 2012 at 12:23 pm Link to this comment

doughboy, first, for the record, Jordan has joined the GCC, second,

and if Turkey, the Arab League states and Ban Ki-Moon are up for throttling the
Baathists, you’re ignoring all the evidence and simply dismissing it as US meddling
is not good.

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By heterochromatic, January 16, 2012 at 12:13 pm Link to this comment

PatH—- which “international protocols” did we violate in Libya’?

(perhaps a more salient argument would be that we contravened US law, BTW)


as of the present, I don’t support any direct American intervention in Syria. either,
also BTW. ....


so maybe my shift hasn’t yet begun….

I’m entirely opposed to he Syrian Baathists, but don’t wish it to be the US kicking
them out.

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By doughboy, January 16, 2012 at 8:38 am Link to this comment

The first statement is a blatant lie. US, Britain, France and its NATO ally Turkey
plus the democratic loving states of the GCC and Arab allies like Jordan have
contributed to the spiraling of violence in Syria. Their aim to destroy the Asad
regime would use the dissidents to further that aim. As much as there are genuine
opponents of the government, there are as many foreign sponsored groups that
care little about democracy. The American-Iran “cold war” is heating up. The
present target is Syria, but the next round of violence will be Tehran. After the
quagmires of Iraq and Afghanistan, the policymakers of DC haven’t learned a
thing.

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By PatrickHenry, January 16, 2012 at 6:37 am Link to this comment

Tic,

Thomas Mountain makes alot more sense than you do.

We violated international protocols going into Libya and are meddling in Syrian state business where we don’t belong.

I don’t support Syria in any way but I sure don’t support American intervention in what is a civil war.

So who covers your shift when you go to sleep?

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By heterochromatic, January 16, 2012 at 12:39 am Link to this comment

my apologies, dog, but Mountain is entirely batshit. If you ever ge a chance, read
his stuff about Eritrea. and then see if you can find the piece he did accusing Bill
Gates of attempting genocide via the billions he’s donated for medical care in
Africa.

I’ll read you new links later, but it’s the wee hours here and I’ve got to get some
sleep.

‘night.

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By blogdog, January 15, 2012 at 11:53 pm Link to this comment

fine, shoot the messenger again - what’s new - you got squat - you got agitprop -
how quickly the pistol of insanity is upholstered by the imminently insecure
 
btw - here’s the shoot for the Syria massacre footage in your morning MSM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlJxqlNEtbA&feature=player_embedded

here’s TM on China, Africa etc.,over which you claim to be expert
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYrHKPAa5uw

fianlly - here’s your Libyan revolution in the ginned up MSM - and I’m done here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fAl2oombx4&feature=player_embedded#!

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By heterochromatic, January 15, 2012 at 11:16 pm Link to this comment

dog—-Thomas Mountain is the craziest muthafunker writing shit on the
intenet….and if Jennifer Rubin and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had a child together
and fed it 500 mikes of acid a day until it was 21, Mountain would be crazier than
that.

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By blogdog, January 15, 2012 at 10:46 pm Link to this comment

RE: ...blowing the shit out of his own people.

pure agitprop - never confirmed - later denied by human rights NGOs - and stop the name calling
you pathetic sod

Libya war lies worse than Iraq
By Thomas C. Mountain
http://www.intrepidreport.com/archives/2683
Posted on July 28, 2011 by Thomas C. Mountain

ASMARA, Eritrea—The lies used to justify the NATO war against Libya have surpassed those created
to justify the invasion of Iraq. Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch both had honest
observers on the ground for months following the rebellion in eastern Libya and both have
repudiated every major charge used to justify the NATO war on Libya.

According to the Amnesty observer, who is fluent in Arabic, there is not one confirmed instance of
rape by the pro-Gadaffi fighters, not even a doctor who knew of one. All the Viagra mass rape
stories were fabrications.

Amnesty could not verify a single “African mercenary” fighting for Gaddafi story, and the highly
charged international satellite television accounts of African mercenaries raping women that were
used to panic much of the eastern Libyan population into fleeing their homes were fabrications.

There were no confirmed accounts of helicopter gunships attacking civilians and no jet fighters
bombing people, which completely invalidates any justification for the No-Fly Zone in Security
Council resolution used as an excuse for NATO to launch its attacks on Libya.

After three months on the ground in rebel-controlled territory, the Amnesty investigator could only
confirm 110 deaths in Benghazi which included Gadaffi supporters.

Only 110 dead in Benghazi? Wait a minute, we were told thousands had died there, ten thousand
even. No, only 110 lost their lives including pro-government people.

No rapes, no African mercenaries, no helicopter gunships or bombers, and only 110 deaths prior to
the launch of the NATO bombing campaign; every claim was based on a lie.

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By heterochromatic, January 15, 2012 at 10:25 pm Link to this comment

dog—- you’re a wag all right and you’re barking mad.


the re-colonization of Africa?????  the only ones really interested in that are the
Chinese and even they are not all that interested. the creeps running half of the
African nations will strip off any assets that anyone wants for pennies on the
dollar and throw in all the ill-treated workers you want to do the work of
carting the stuff to the ports for you.

NATO wasn’t all that anxious to topple Gaddafi, who was dropping wads of cash
in Britain, until Gaddafi made himself too ugly to keep around by blowing the
shit out of his own people.

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By blogdog, January 15, 2012 at 10:02 pm Link to this comment

right the Saudis, the little king in Doha - the stooge in Baharain - all followed
their script - but he warned them before he left - transitional councils are being
planned for them too - they too will have their heads on the chopping block -
the empire is rapacious

taking out the Colonel had nothing to do with his 40 years, only about his
standing in the way of the re-colonization of Africa - his plans to launch the
African Gold Dinar - to fortify the African Union, the African Development bank
- when he rejected Africoms plans for a base on the Libyan med his fate was
sealed as was that of Saddam’s when he priced his oil in Euros

the empire supports any despot until he’s no longer useful - the naivete of the
‘freedom fighters’ scenario is such a joke - anyone buying it is a dupe - wag
the dog

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By heterochromatic, January 15, 2012 at 9:52 pm Link to this comment

dog——- it was the Arab League who asked the UN who then asked
NATO….....and by then, Gaddafi had nothing left to negotiate except giving up and
going away and 40 = plus years of dictatorship.

he forgot that he didn’t own Libya and that he took power in a coup, thought he
had some right to own everything in the country for as long as he lived…....

it worked out almost that way for him, except that the happy ending for which he
was willing to kill a big bunch of people was turned into a different happy ending

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By blogdog, January 15, 2012 at 9:42 pm Link to this comment

agitprop - no insrugents in Syria nor in Libya have nor ever had any intent in negotiating anything - they did and are provoking escalation toward a NATO bombing campaign

none of this is about human rights - that is the big lie - anyone who buys it and who can’t see what it’s about is being duped

Observers in Syria: Time to separate civilians from insurgents…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Hj9_FgoHMo

BLOOMBERG
Russia Says NATO, Persian Gulf Nations Plan to Seek No-Fly Zone for Syria By Henry Meyer and Ilya Arkhipov January 12, 2012 6:01 AM EST
http://preview.tinyurl.com/8xl2nqk

West Planning No-fly Zone to Aid Syrian “Rebels” January 12, 2012 “Bloomberg” – -Russia received information that members of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and some Persian Gulf countries are preparing military intervention in Syria, the head of the Russian Security Council said.

Turkey, a NATO member, may play a key role, Nikolai Patrushev, who used to head the country’s intelligence agency, the Federal Security Service, told Interfax in comments confirmed by his office. The U.S. and Turkey are working on a possible no-fly zone to protect Syrian rebels, Patrushev said.

“We are receiving information that NATO members and some Persian Gulf states, working under the ‘Libyan scenario’, intend to move from indirect intervention in Syria to direct military intervention,” the Russian security chief said.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said yesterday that the Arab League monitoring mission in Syria should end after failing to deter the government’s 10-month campaign of violence against dissidents. She spoke after meeting Qatari Foreign Minister, Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim bin Jabor al Thani, a day after President Barack Obama held talks with Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal at the White House.

Turkey’s Foreign Ministry and NATO’s press service in Brussels didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment.

Russia, which has Soviet-era ties with Syria, argues that United Nations- sanctioned bombing of Libya by NATO to protect civilians was used to bring about regime change and that Western governments are trying to repeat that scenario in Syria.

[...]

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By heterochromatic, January 15, 2012 at 9:11 pm Link to this comment

dog, you kill a few thousand civilians, you keep promising not to do it any more
and you keep right on doing it, people sometimes figure that you offers to
negotiate aren’t worth all that much.

Old fuzzhead got what he earned and the Assads have a chance to negotiate an
immediate retirement far, far from Damascus and not much else and not much
longer.

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By blogdog, January 15, 2012 at 8:52 pm Link to this comment

Prevailing propaganda: NATO on track to deliver freedom and liberty to the
oppressed of Syria - only within the comfort of a death shroud

e.g.  http://tinyurl.com/5rt4wo6

If the Libyan war was about saving lives, it was a catastrophic failure
Nato claimed it would protect civilians in Libya, but delivered far more killing.
It’s a warning to the Arab world and Africa


Seumas Milne
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 26 October 2011 17.20 EDT

[...]

Estimates of the numbers of dead over the last eight months – as Nato
leaders vetoed ceasefires and negotiations – range from 10,000 up to 50,000.
The National Transitional Council puts the losses at 30,000 dead and 50,000
wounded.

[...]

Q: who will join Madeleine Albright in Perdition?

Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million
children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And,
you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the
price—we think the price is worth it.

—60 Minutes (5/12/96)

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By heterochromatic, January 15, 2012 at 7:56 pm Link to this comment

if you live in Damascus…..if you live in Hama it’s a
month shy of 30 years overdue.

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By blogdog, January 15, 2012 at 7:29 pm Link to this comment

regime change starts at home

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By heterochromatic, January 15, 2012 at 7:17 pm Link to this comment

no dog, it’s not the bloody war that’s the good thing,
it’s the removal of a bloody dictatorship that’s good.

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By blogdog, January 15, 2012 at 7:03 pm Link to this comment

those championing a bloody civil war as a good thing - in particular, one
instigated through heinous provocations by globalist proxy mercenaries -
moreover one that may well ignite the entire region and perish millions

such a brave champion of Freedom and Liberty should enlist and enter the fray
alongside the so-called ‘freedom fighters’ - with any luck our champion’s valor
will be rewarded with a gift from Abdel Hakim Belhadj, AKA: Islamic Libyan
Fighting Group, Al Qaeda brigade leader, Butcher of Benghazi, Military
Commander of Tripoli - now leading the Syrian Freedom Army

... maybe he’ll give our hero a whole province to pillage ... all spoils to the hero
- none need be shared - BLOODY HELL - that’s got Liberty written all over it:

GO FOR THE GOLD!

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By IMax, January 15, 2012 at 1:51 pm Link to this comment

Syria, after killing thousands of liberal -Pro Democracy- protesters on verge of civil war.

Across Arab World polls show overwhelming support for Pro Democracy protesters in Syria.

Iran’s single alliance in the world fighting for its own survival.

Lebanese people rejoice in speculation on the end of the Assad era.

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By heterochromatic, January 15, 2012 at 1:06 pm Link to this comment

and the friends include the Arab League, Turkey and the UN SecGen….

destroying the Baathist dictatorship in Syria and toppling the Assads after more
than 40 years is just fine.

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By Fearless, January 15, 2012 at 12:36 pm Link to this comment
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OMG, OMG, the US needs to intervene now!!!! Plus,  think of the benefits this could bring our defense contractors and Israel!

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By PatrickHenry, January 15, 2012 at 11:18 am Link to this comment

Syria on the Verge of Civil War

With a little help from their friends.

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