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Surge, Humanitarian StylePosted on Jan 15, 2010
The horrors of the Haitian earthquake continue, but so does the outpouring of international support. Along with hundreds of millions of dollars in public and private donations, the U.S. has announced it will send up to 10,000 troops to Haiti to assist in the relief effort. The influx of American troops will add to the thousands of United Nations personnel already present in the impoverished country. —JCL
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By DieDaily, January 17, 2010 at 10:13 am Link to this comment
Holy cow you guys have to read this:
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/columns/Maxwell-Jan-17
If we had more real journalists this is what we would
be reading here. This is an amazing, amazing article.
RFID-ler what are you talking about? I’m talking
Report thisabout using the military to give aid. The only tasks
they need to perform are clearing the drop zones and
then dropping crap. The rest is criminal BS. Read
this article, man. It is really good and expresses
what I’m talking about far more clearly than I have
the talent for personally.
By rico, suave, January 17, 2010 at 9:29 am Link to this comment
die:
Who flies the C-130s? And who makes sure that looters and gangs don’t scarf up the landed pallets of food and medicine and try and sell the stuff instead of making sure it’s distributed properly?
Report thisBy DieDaily, January 17, 2010 at 9:16 am Link to this comment
“When we could fill the skies with C-130s and rain a
Report thisliteral storm of food and supplies instead, we go all
imperial on them instead and land a small army.” was
what I said.
By rico, suave, January 17, 2010 at 8:56 am Link to this comment
die:
Who will land the supply trucks and where will the trucks come from? ACORN? PETA? Name for me an organization that you like that could do any of that. The US military is best at it and they should do it.
Report thisBy DieDaily, January 17, 2010 at 7:11 am Link to this comment
RFID-ler, shiller on the roof…whatever you are, the facts are pretty straight forward, even for shills, so listen up. What we did was land troops instead of supply trucks, we offered “long-term aid” (how very helpful, it’s code for we’re taking over for a good long while) while the people start to starve. When we could fill the skies with C-130s and rain a literal storm of food and supplies instead, we go all imperial on them instead and land a small army. Forgive me if this is too simple a solution for you, but last time I checked, whenever there are hundreds of tons of food and supplies lying around then there will be no looting. RFID-ler, I know this article will be way too long for you, but it’s the most detailed on the web:
The Militarization of Emergency Aid to Haiti: Is it a Humanitarian Operation or an Invasion?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17000
It even goes into the back story. You know, the US-sponsored 2004 coup, the UN occupation since then, the constant destabilization efforts, the corrupt puppet government fascist antics, and many of the other goodies we’ve given them in our imperial generosity. Canadians should look into this too, as they are very heavily implicated in the run up to all of us. They were a nation already starved half to death. That was us. This disaster is just a coup de grace. We had already beaten them down.
Report thisBy Commune115, January 16, 2010 at 11:11 pm Link to this comment
Here rfidler, get some information into your skull:
http://hondurasoye.wordpress.com/2010/01/16/us-fearing-political-tsunami-in-haiti-rolls-in-the-troops-and-media-propaganda-haitians-are-not-fooled/
Report thisBy Pauline Mott, January 16, 2010 at 8:58 pm Link to this comment
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I agree with Samosamo. My first reaction to the announcement that 10,000 US troops were being dispatched to Haiti was Why? They need medical personnel, field hospitals and heavy equipment not men with guns. Then I researched the history of Haiti, curious as to how such utter poverty could exist in the Western Hemisphere, poverty that makes Bangladeshi garment workers seem privileged in comparison. 80% of the population lives on less than $2.00 a day. They have no water, no food and no electricity. Almost every minute of the day a Haitian child dies of starvation. 1% of the population owns all the wealth. They live lives of unbelievable privilege without any urge to share the country’s wealth with the impoverished majority. Most of the impoverished live in and around Port au Prince. They are the remnants and descendants of the agrarian class which was forced off the land by US agri-business. This lead to the movement of people off the land to the city inb search of work. The US plan was to set up manufacturing plants and use the displaced and desperate people as a source of slave wage labour. But the US got distracted by other concerns and abandoned their plans leaving a country with huge unemployment and an inability to feed itself or support basic infrastructure. Although this scenario played out before the term became common the Haitian situation is the ultimate consequence of globalisation.
Report thisMention has been made of the need for a Marshall type plan to set Haiti on the road to recovery. It is the setting up of just such a plan that has Haiti in the state it was in at the time of the earthquake. The most important thing is to control the US and not permit them to be in the driver’s seat regarding reconstruction. The UN is also compromised by their actions in protecting the interests of the Haitian elite rather than defending the poor. The Canadians and French were all complicit with the US in the removal of the democratically elected President Aristide. There is probably not one Western nation qualified to build a fair society - free of interference from the US, the World Bank and the rest of the global exploiters. The one nation that has all the qualifications to get the job done is Cuba. Had they not had the good fortune to be saved from US control by Fidel Castro they would no doubt be in the same situation today as Haiti. They may not have much materially but they have their pride , their health and enough to eat. Interesting to note that the Cuban medics who were already on the island had field hospitals set up and completed 90 surgeries within hours of the earthquake. This is in comparison to the US who’s first reaction was to send in men with guns. Of course even in their homeland the US sends in guns first - New Orleans was a horrifying example of this - secure tv and liquor stores first - rescue fellow citizens whenever.
Interesting also to note that the Chinese got their men on the ground ahead of the US. Recent reports indicate that there may well be significant gold deposits in Haiti. Hmmmm.
By Existentialist, January 16, 2010 at 8:11 pm Link to this comment
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By rfidler, January 16 at 7:50 pm #
samosamo:
“I would rather think that those 10,000 and I assume fully armed troops are going to protect the on coming corporate raiders…”
Which is why your ideas will forever dwell on the lunatic fringe.
Uh oh, I see straw men…The funny thing is that samosamo is not on the so-called ‘lunatic fringe.’ There is substantial evidence of the brash levels of tampering the US government and US businesses have done to Haiti, for the worst, for many decades.
“The U.S. government, the UN, and other powers have aided the Haitian elite in subjecting the country to neoliberal economic plans that have impoverished the masses, deforested the land, wrecked the infrastructure and incapacitated the government.
The fault line of U.S. imperialism interacted with the geological one to turn the natural disaster into a social catastrophe.
During the Cold War, the U.S. supported the dictatorships of Papa Doc Duvalier and then Baby Doc Duvalier—which ruled the country from 1957 to 1986—as an anti-communist counter-weight to Castro’s Cuba nearby.
Under guidance from Washington, Baby Doc Duvalier opened the Haitian economy up to U.S. capital in the 1970s and 1980s. Floods of U.S. agricultural imports destroyed peasant agriculture. As a result, hundred of thousands of people flocked to the teeming slums of Port-au-Prince to labor for pitifully low wages in sweatshops located in U.S. export processing zones.
In the 1980s, masses of Haitians rose up to drive the Duvaliers from power—later, they elected reformer Jean-Bertrand Aristide to be president on a platform of land reform, aid to peasants, reforestation, investment in infrastructure for the people, and increased wages and union rights for sweatshop workers.
The U.S. in turn backed a coup that drove Aristide from power in 1991. Eventually, the elected president was restored to power in 1994 when Bill Clinton sent U.S. troops to the island—but on the condition that he implement the U.S. neoliberal plan—which Haitians called the “plan of death.”“
http://www.counterpunch.org/smith01142010.html
According to “Toxic Sludge is Good For You,” by John Stauber and Sheldon Rampton, ‘Baby Doc’ Duvalier was a client of the US PR firm Gray & Company (pg 151). After Duvalier was kicked out and fled, Americans represented the remaining junta, even taking money from it. One lobbyist is Robert McCandless. He also represented a group of American businessmen “headed by Gregory Brandt” that had interests in Haiti that “included cooking oil, cars, tomato paste, and coffee” (152). This was at a time when there was a US embargo on the junta, and McCandless was asked by the US govt to stop representing a regime the govt had an embargo against. McCandless took over 100,000 dollars from the junta as part of his contract. I recommend reading the rest of the section, because there’s a lot of well-sourced information I don’t have room to type.
other sources to check out:
http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/23640
http://www.zmag.org/zvideo/3323
http://www.counterpunch.org/patrick01152010.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/dimaggio01152010.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/reeves01152010.html
All you did was attack his intelligence, NOT debate his claims by well thought out counter-arguments with sources. This is what Bill O does all of the time.
Remember the Big Tsunami a few years ago? Why weren’t two former US presidents (like how Obama appointed Bush and Clinton whom both served in administrations that interfered with Haiti) brought in to help with the aid situation in that case? Why weren’t 10,000 troops brought in after the Tsunami as is the case with Haiti and the earthquake? Why did the US give nearly the least amount of aid monies in the tsunami situation, and gave the most out of all the donating countries in the case of Haiti?
The answer is because there are American corporate interests in Haiti.
Report thisBy rico, suave, January 16, 2010 at 7:52 pm Link to this comment
samosamo:
I responded to a post from a European commentator the other day, offering my wild ass guess as to the typical profile of a truthdig poster. I offered that he/she was probably a homeless beggar who pushed his shopping cart up to the local library and jumped on the free computer therein and spent his day bitching about how life so sucked.
Guess I hit the mark with you.
Get a job and help the Haitians. Match me dollar for dollar or shut up.
Report thisBy samosamo, January 16, 2010 at 6:40 pm Link to this comment
By rfidler, January 16 at 10:52 pm
Hmm, you sure do presume a lot and think you know by casting
me with your lot all there is to know about me and there you just
reveal yourself to be unworthy of recognition of conversation as
before we have had words so I am correct in your fealty to
corporate america and I don’t appreciate your confounding me
with your ungiving greediness of not giving to the Haitian’s plight
and I am not employed but spare what I can.
What you are really doing and I have seen you do it to other
commenters is drag them around in useless banterings that have
no other purpose but to disrupt what people who try to write out
what they think but you do as much as you can to cast them in the
negative as your purpose is that you are right and nobody else is.
Further recognition of your claptrap will not require any more
Report thisrebuttal as it IS a total waste of time.
By rico, suave, January 16, 2010 at 5:52 pm Link to this comment
samosamo:
Where, in any of my posts, do you have evidence that I owe fealty to corporate America?
“I ain’t putting down my wariness of corporate america and their nefarious intentions and agendas.”
I can guarantee that you ain’t puttin’ down no money either to help the Haitians.
Ooooh, a ‘fiddler on the roof’ reference!
Report thisBy samosamo, January 16, 2010 at 4:54 pm Link to this comment
By rfidler, January 16 at 7:50 pm
You sure hate it when anyone presents a probable scenario that
fits quite well with the american imperial empire’s disaster capitalism which has all sorts and manner of real evidence of happening because your fealty to corporate america is just the ticket for not just ‘no change’ but NOT A CHANCE OF CHANGE!
I think it, not ‘rather’ think it, a wonderful example of the PEOPLE
here in america doing what they can to help Haitians in their
hours/days/weeks/months of need, but I ain’t putting down my
wariness of corporate america and their nefarious intentions and
agendas.
Why don’t you take your fidle on up to the roof and jump off as
Report thisyour contribution.
By rico, suave, January 16, 2010 at 2:50 pm Link to this comment
samosamo:
“I would rather think that those 10,000 and I assume fully armed troops are going to protect the on coming corporate raiders…”
Which is why your ideas will forever dwell on the lunatic fringe.
Report thisBy samosamo, January 16, 2010 at 2:41 pm Link to this comment
I would rather think that those 10,000 and I assume fully armed
troops are going to protect the on coming corporate raiders who
will be staking out their choices for ‘rebuilding’ what will be the
‘new’ Haiti via that old tried and true ‘disaster capitalism’ that
turd face milton friedman invented in his quite greedy economic
models.
If the wto, imf, world bank and other such ‘organizations’ are
Report thisnot there yet, then they too are waiting for those 10,000 troops.
By rico, suave, January 16, 2010 at 1:26 pm Link to this comment
The latest headline is that looting has started. That was of course inevitable. How would you two stop the looting?
Your cynicism is grotesque under the circumstances. I seriously doubt that the Haitians are printing up “Yankee go home” signs. Maybe you could get on that.
Report thisBy gerard, January 16, 2010 at 10:30 am Link to this comment
The sure sign of empire is a public show of force at every possible occasion. The more insecure the empire, the stronger the show of force. What else would be the “meaning” of seven or eight hundred bases worldwide—many in countries too poor to pay for a decent hospital. (Back to kindergarten: “My Dad is bigger than your Dad, so there!”)
Report thisBy Commune115, January 16, 2010 at 3:04 am Link to this comment
The last thing Haiti needs is 10,000 U.S. troops on its soil. We’ve invaded the country over 15 times and overthrew its elected government in 2004, installing a death squad regime.
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