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Statement From Tea Party Express on Arizona Shooting

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The following statement was released by one of the more prominent tea party groups in response to the Saturday shooting in Arizona that killed six people, including a federal judge, and injured 12 more, including a Democratic congresswoman.

Tea Party Express Chairman Amy Kremer issued the following statement today:

“We at the Tea Party Express are shocked and saddened to hear about the terrible tragedy that took place in Tucson today. It is appalling that anyone would commit such unthinkable violence against Congresswoman Gabrielle Gifford[s], her staff, a sitting federal judge and the many other victims and families impacted. 

“These heinous crimes have no place in America, and they are especially grievous when committed against our elected officials. Spirited debate is desirable in our country, but it only should be the clash of ideas. An attack on anyone for political purposes, if that was a factor in this shooting, is an attack on the democratic process. We join with everyone in vociferously condemning it.

“Our thoughts and prayers will be with all those affected today as the details unfold.”

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By ardee, January 11, 2011 at 8:49 am Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man

Gryms fairy tales are not stopped by tragedy, by horror, by murder. Shameless politicizing continues, showing plainly the shallowness of some.

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By Go Right Young Man, January 11, 2011 at 8:28 am Link to this comment

It would be merciful if, when tragedies such as Tucson’s occur, there were a moratorium on sociology. But respites from half-baked explanations, often serving political opportunism, are impossible because of a timeless human craving and a characteristic of many modern minds.

The craving is for banishing randomness and the inexplicable from human experience. Time was, the gods were useful. What is thunder? The gods are angry. Polytheism was explanatory. People postulated causations.

And still do. Hence: The Tucson shooter was (pick your verb) provoked, triggered, unhinged by today’s (pick your noun) rhetoric, vitriol, extremism, “climate of hate.”

Demystification of the world opened the way for real science, including the social sciences. And for a modern characteristic. And for charlatans…

This McCarthyism of the left - devoid of intellectual content, unsupported by data - is a mental tic, not an idea but a tactic for avoiding engagement with ideas. It expresses limitless contempt for the American people, who have reciprocated by reducing liberalism to its current characteristics of electoral weakness and bad sociology.

Don’t allow haters to get away with suggesting violence only comes from one side of politics. Only small-minded bigots believe in such nonsense.

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By RayLan, January 11, 2011 at 7:47 am Link to this comment

ITW
Nice psychoanalysis. But the Reps attempt to disassociate themselves from the TP doesn’t have a lot of credibility.
Even though TP didn’t make too much headway in the election, the Reps’ owe them a debt of gratitude for fanning the fear and dissatisfaction that got them into a majority in the House. If the Reps don’t condone the TP tactics, they should have denounced them vociferously during the elections, which I didn’t hear them do.

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By Inherit The Wind, January 11, 2011 at 7:26 am Link to this comment

It’s a really simple analysis.  The Tea Party and its apologists and fellow travelers are defensive and on the defensive—because THEY know, as do most Americans, they THEY have been setting up a climate of violence, moving it from the fringes and the militias to mainstream politics.

They ARE on the defensive—that is an unimpeachable fact, and the rest of the Republicans, the ones that grudgingly had to accept the TP, and its apologists and fellow-travelers, are carefully denouncing violence and NOT defending the TP.  That, too, is a fact.

Democrats and the Left of American politics is decidedly NOT on the defensive, but rather on the offensive.

These are simply the currents of the public discourse and the inference is obvious.  One is on the offensive, because it can be, the other is on the defensive, because it must be.

I’m sure everyone has fantasies about the deaths of those we find really offensive on the other side, whether it’s Barney Frank or Michelle Bachmann, Rush Limbaugh or Keith Olberman.  But the politicians have had to face REAL threats in the last couple of years have all been those that opposed Tea Party positions. There is no analogue to the shooting of Dr. Tiller or Cong. Giffords on the Right.  None.

And EVERYONE, from Bill O’Reilly (“Tiller the Killer”) to Rachel Maddow knows it.

In a nutshell: The TP is making excuses BECAUSE IT KNOWS WHAT IT HAS DONE!

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By RayLan, January 11, 2011 at 6:19 am Link to this comment

“Can you allow me to be a conservative “
Who’s stopping you? Real conservatism is as dead as true liberalism. The so-called right and left don’t map nicely to party lines. It’s just that what passes for conservative nowadays is a self-centered warmongering ideology that denies even the minimal of social concern for the less priveleged.

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By RayLan, January 11, 2011 at 6:09 am Link to this comment

Raylan
“Spot on- except for the bigot part. That would be you. “

I reason and provide facts - as opposed to using unsupportable sweeping characterizations. GRYN’s posts speak for themselves on that subject.

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By Leefeller, January 11, 2011 at 1:50 am Link to this comment

Rico, no outrage here.  Can even say GRM dost outrage me, ....“annoy” would be a better choice of word for GRM!

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By Go Right Young Man, January 11, 2011 at 1:31 am Link to this comment

Manchin: Gun Imagery in Politics Doesn’t Cause Madmen to Kill
5:55 PM, Jan 10, 2011

  In a statement to RealClearPolitics, Joe Manchin, who served as West Virginia’s governor for six years before winning a special election to take over the seat once held by former Sen. Robert Byrd, defended his record and the ad itself.

  “I’ve spent my whole career bringing people together, avoiding the rancor of partisan politics, and that will continue to be the focus of my work as U.S. Senator going forward,” Manchin said in the statement. “The act of a deranged madman who commits a horrific act should not and cannot be confused with a metaphor about a piece of legislation.”

  In a conference call with reporters on Monday, however, he said he likely wouldn’t release the ad today.

  “I can’t say that we would, I really can’t,” Manchin said. “Because it’s a much more more sensitive thing we’re dealing with right now.”

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By Inherit The Wind, January 11, 2011 at 12:15 am Link to this comment

Yeah, Rico, I’ll probably get flamed, by both sides.  Nothing new under the sun.  I know the difference between a true Conservative and a foaming-at-the-mouth right-wing troll, and between a Liberal, a TRUE Progressive, and a foaming-at-the-mouth left-wing troll.

“You shoot defenseless tin ducks strapped to a conveyor belt at carnivals??? And take stuffed teddybears as a prize? You heartless bastard!”

You betcha!  And I grin like a crazy sonuvabitch when I nail ‘em! “Infallible Inherit”, aka, “Terror of the Carnival Booths!”  leaves grown carny pitchmen crying and shaking!

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By reynolds, January 10, 2011 at 11:54 pm Link to this comment

right on cue; little suave lost, the misunderstood
mutant, the good heart and social conscience whom a
touch of kindness will bring to bloom. horatio suave
channels rodney king. spot on. tally fucking ho.
insufferable fool.
i’m buying the paid distraction theory, the black
poster business. secret suave as dull witted
provocateur (when not handing out tiny pretzels).
he likes a longer fuse.

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By rico, suave, January 10, 2011 at 11:30 pm Link to this comment

RayLan:

“GYRM is a bigoted typical right-wing troll fiedling every opportunity to turn the tables and accuse everybody here of his own profound bigotry and defense of self-centered ideology.”

Spot on- except for the bigot part. That would be you.

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By rico, suave, January 10, 2011 at 11:22 pm Link to this comment

ITW:

I appreciate you going out on a limb with your support, qualified as it is. I really do. Hope you don’t get flamed for it.

Can you allow me to be a conservative without tarring me with the language of extremist wackos? Is it possible to be against big government, for liberty, and also hate the crime, and the criminal, in Tucson?

As you can tell by the quantity, as opposed to quality, of posts to this thread, there’s a lot of heat, and not much light, even from me.

I must admit, I’m having more fun with the rhetoric than the substance, such as it is. Some of the hyperbole is too much to pass up.

Events like this shooting bring out all the base emotions on both sides of the fence, and blog sites like this, right or left, are not serious forums for coming to an understanding, let alone a meeting of the minds, of the issues at hand. They are free-for-alls where people can vent their spleens. Better here than the OK Corral, don’t you think?

You shoot defenseless tin ducks strapped to a conveyor belt at carnivals??? And take stuffed teddybears as a prize? You heartless bastard!

I don’t own a gun either. I hate guns. Really. They’re dangerous.

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By RayLan, January 10, 2011 at 11:11 pm Link to this comment

GYRM is a bigoted typical right-wing troll fiedling every opportunity to turn the tables and accuse everybody here of his own profound bigotry and defense of self-centered ideology.

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By RayLan, January 10, 2011 at 10:46 pm Link to this comment

“Don’t allow haters to get away with suggesting violence only comes from one side of politics”
I haven’t yet seen any post that says ‘only’ - mostly and much more - is the only point that needs to be made. Radical callous opposition totally open to physical violence is central to right wing ideology.

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By Go Right Young Man, January 10, 2011 at 10:26 pm Link to this comment

Peetiwink,

You will be unable to sway me from my point on this thread.  Try as you and others may.  I will persist in exposing the prevalent and unapologetic bigotry and hate I witness here daily.

Don’t allow a few individuals here to lie with impunity.  Don’t allow haters to get away with suggesting violence only comes from one side of politics.  Only small-minded bigots believe in such nonsense.

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By Peetawonkus, January 10, 2011 at 9:58 pm Link to this comment

Rico Suave and GRYM get a lot of flack because they routinely deliver a lot of flack. When their arguments fail, and they almost always do, they deliver personal attacks…and then cry foul when they get some of what they so generously give. If they got their hair mussed in this recent dust up then I would like to suggest that they find a new place to post their usual lies, distortions and racist ramblings. Yahoo has many kindred spirits. Or they could try rational discourse for a change and see if that brings any change to the climate here. But what are the odds of that.

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By RayLan, January 10, 2011 at 9:48 pm Link to this comment

My referenced statement about the First Amendment was made by Michelle O’Donell. - But Sarah backed it up.

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By Holly Lolly, January 10, 2011 at 9:46 pm Link to this comment
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Nice of the Tea Party Express to wait exactly one day after their statement to then issue a fundraising email where they try and pin the blame on liberals…and hit up their marks for more money: http://republicanifi.com/news/Tea-Party-Express-Raises-Cash-Over-Arizona-Shooting-Smears-1524059.html

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By RayLan, January 10, 2011 at 9:31 pm Link to this comment

Rico “Give me one quote in any post of mine where I characterize Obama as a violent person. After all, the “bring a gun” quote has been debunked by SuperMike, so I got nothin’.

I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are making some rational point - that you are providing evidence of ‘hate’ violent - inciting speech which happens to be the subject matter of this blog. No you didn’t write those very words, but if that is not your meaning then it is a pointless quote. It’s like Sarah Palin saying that the first amendment doesn’t mention separation of Church and State. Like that is some sort of argument.

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By Inherit The Wind, January 10, 2011 at 9:15 pm Link to this comment

Rico,
I know you’ve gotten a lot of flack, some of it unfair, and it makes you want to dig in your heels.

But come on—the military and quasi-military language that permeated the fall campaign from the right was damn near close to calling for armed insurrection, and it was coast to coast.  Only the Unabomber was a leftist of all the major attacks since the Weathermen attacked that armored car in, what? 1980?  The rest, from Timothy McVeigh to the murderers of abortion-performing doctors to the Olympics attack to this guy have been advocated extreme right-wing positions. I’m not saying EVERY Republican advocated shooting Dems in the head, but certain the language of the extreme ones in the last year or two has ramped up the rage of the rhetoric to a near-constant pitch.

I think if a the occasional military metaphor popped out nobody would notice, but it hasn’t been that.  It’s been gun-sights and “Lock and Load!” and “Don’t Retreat: Reload!” and “2nd Amendment situation” and threats that if “things” don’t change…

Rather than pretending it doesn’t exist, how about looking to tone it down?

And I won’t deny that there are posters here from the left calling for violent change—literally!  And I hope TD kicks their butts outta here!

I don’t know many Lefties who own guns.  But I sure as hell know a lot of Righties who do! I’ve never needed a gun for anything in 55 years, except to shoot a target at a carnival!

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By rico, suave, January 10, 2011 at 9:14 pm Link to this comment

Mike:

I’d rather talk with Amanda. Your fuse is too short.

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By rico, suave, January 10, 2011 at 9:12 pm Link to this comment

Mike:

“Like comments on the reputations of certain kinds of young ladies, the source DEPENDS.  If you are just meeting the young lady for a “one-nighter” you are not terribly interested in her credentials.”

I thought you were serious. Sorry.

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By rico, suave, January 10, 2011 at 9:10 pm Link to this comment

RayLan:

Give me one quote in any post of mine where I characterize Obama as a violent person. After all, the “bring a gun” quote has been debunked by SuperMike, so I got nothin’.

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By Go Right Young Man, January 10, 2011 at 9:10 pm Link to this comment

RayLan and reynolds,

You can hold any opinion you wish.  You can write any opinion on the latest, so-called, right-wing incendiary comment. 

Just Be Sure to remind people that it was the current democratic president who called on constituents to “Punish Our Enemies”.  You could simply remind people that the current Vice President talked openly about strangling any GOP who disagree, right after you recount how the previous Vice President called a, so-called, left-leaning reporter an asshole. wink

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By SuperMike1661, January 10, 2011 at 9:06 pm Link to this comment

WHAT IS A LEGITIMATE SOURCE DOCUMENT?

Like comments on the reputations of certain kinds of young ladies, the source DEPENDS.  If you are just meeting the young lady for a “one-nighter” you are not terribly interested in her credentials.  However, if you are looking for a wife to be the mother of your children, then a certain amount of rigor is NECESSARY.

If you are quoting Wolf Blitzer when he rambles on about some third-rate politician’s culpability in the latest political scandal, you probably do not need to be too rigorous. However if you are quoting Wolf’s comment to the President of the United States about ANYTHING… get it right because ANYTHING that a President is involved in is history.

This is a tricky area but bloggers owe their readers some effort… after all, readers give you the respect of their time. 

For some standard background see:


http://www.uncp.edu/home/rwb/hst300q3.htm

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By RayLan, January 10, 2011 at 9:03 pm Link to this comment

“You may want to compare scripts with SuperMike. He seems to think there’s doubt. (Whatever happened to solidarity?) “
There is no need for solidarity since your point is moot and desperately disingenuous. To characterize Obama as a violent person is laughable. I wish he did show more spleen to stave off the rabid right wing dobermans.

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By rico, suave, January 10, 2011 at 8:53 pm Link to this comment

GRYM:

You’re right, of course. There is no video proof that the Congresswoman was shot by Loughner. You can’t believe a bunch of partisan bystanders with an agenda to maintain! It’s all a fabrication of MSNBC, and the rest of the MSM has merely followed along like good little lap dogs. Let’s adopt SuperMike’s standard of “proof”: No video, no audio, no fact. (There is no truth, hell, no existence, prior to Edison.)

RayLan: You may want to compare scripts with SuperMike. He seems to think there’s doubt. (Whatever happened to solidarity?)

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By reynolds, January 10, 2011 at 8:47 pm Link to this comment

to be plain; uncle rico is an asshole. but there is a
page from the wall street journal, easily accessed via
google, real or otherwise. who’s the black poster?

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By reynolds, January 10, 2011 at 8:45 pm Link to this comment

you waste a lot of time for someone averse to wasting
time. ok, you’ll bite.

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By SuperMike1661, January 10, 2011 at 8:45 pm Link to this comment

Let us end this point of contention.  Neither GRYM or rico suave will be able to supply legitimate source documents verifying that Barack Obama said he “would bring a gun” because THERE IS NO SUCH DOCUMENT…. ANYWERE. 

How do we know this?  We spent a tiny pot of gold this morning determining that this so-called QUOTE is, more than likely but not totally certain…  a McCain Campaign Disinformation Product.

In the future, when you quote a very senior politician in a blog that purports to be a “Truthdig”, get your facts STRAIGHT.

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By rico, suave, January 10, 2011 at 8:40 pm Link to this comment

Mike:

Ok, I’ll bite. Is video/audio the sine qua non of proof? Just asking if you want to go there before I waste any more time. I’ll go there, but just want to know the ground rules.

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By RayLan, January 10, 2011 at 8:39 pm Link to this comment

There is no doubt that Obama made the statement about guns - but to use that to justify the claim that the violent rhetoric is equal on both sides - is ridiculous.

The righ-wing defense had to reach all the way to the 2008 campaign
Here is some context

Mobster wisdom tells us never to bring a knife to a gun fight. But what does political wisdom say about bringing a gun to a knife fight?

That’s exactly what Barack Obama said he would do to counter Republican attacks “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said at a Philadelphia fundraiser Friday night. “Because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.”

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By SuperMike1661, January 10, 2011 at 8:31 pm Link to this comment

@ Rico Suave

If Barack Obama made this statement in a speech, THEN I WANT THE SPEECH. 

DO YOU ACTUALLY EXPECT ME TO TAKE YOUR WORD FOR WHAT BARACK OBAMA SAID IN A POLITICAL SPEECH?

Do you have the goods or not?

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By Go Right Young Man, January 10, 2011 at 8:30 pm Link to this comment

rico, suave,

I, quite literally, know and understand nothing, whatsoever, about the shooter, his motives or his state of mind.  I’ve been waiting to see one other clearly write the same thing. - You, and only one other early on if memory serves, eluded to it.

- According to Super61 there is no shooter, no congresswoman(D), no murdered Federal Judge(R) and several more dead individuals in morgues this day.  I am unable to display an original document before his/her vast and ongoing research concern. wink

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By SuperMike1661, January 10, 2011 at 8:27 pm Link to this comment

@ rico, suave,

Once again on January 11 at 1:17 you stated that “there are a number of sources” for what appears to be a McCain Campaign INVENTION in 2008.  We have found hundreds of “sources” but they all end with a statement from the McCain campaign.  There is no video, there is no transcript of the whole statement, there is NOTHING.

Once again, I ask YOU… do you have a verifiable SOURCE document or are you just recycling old campaign claims??

IF you are a person of HONOR, it is time for you to stand up.

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By rico, suave, January 10, 2011 at 8:25 pm Link to this comment

Mike:

Original source- Barack Obama, Radnor, Pa, June 14, 2008, in a campaign speech. What else do you need?

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By rico, suave, January 10, 2011 at 8:17 pm Link to this comment

Amanda for:

Did you Google it? There are any number of sources. Let me know what you find, or what you don’t like about the sources.

Where’s SuperMike?

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By SuperMike1661, January 10, 2011 at 8:14 pm Link to this comment

If a President of the United States once stated that he would, “bring a gun” to some altercation, the world will be interested.  Therefore, when writers on the WWW quote a President to this effect, they should try to get it RIGHT.

What does get it RIGHT mean?  In the case of the most powerful politician in the world, getting it RIGHT means that you are diligent enough to get the ORIGINAL SOURCE document.  The world will want to know if the President made such a statement in jest, or if the statement was a serious threat to a political opponent or if he was just threatening his wife… or … or what?

All politicians are subject to “spin” whereby the politician’s opponents create or augment his statements to suit an Opposition POV.  This is why DILIGENCE is required when quoting a President of the United States.

Can ANYBODY HERE cite an original SOURCE for the SO-CALLED Obama quote, “we will bring a gun”?

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By ardee, January 10, 2011 at 8:08 pm Link to this comment

My goodness, I became so interested in the erudite and long overdue chastising of GRYM  and his fairy tales ( with special thanks to Leefeller) that I forgot the direction of the thread.

This tragedy in Arizona is obviously the product of a deranged individual. This is not about politics, not about right or left, not even about the vituperative nature of our current political climate either. This is about the murder of actual people, one of them a nine year old girl, and I think those who attempt to make political hay on such an occasion are assholes.

An interesting supposition, supermike,regarding supposed “BP’s”, though I’ve no idea whether it holds any substance beyond entertainment value.

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By rico, suave, January 10, 2011 at 8:04 pm Link to this comment

Hey BP (GRYM):

Have you heard from Rove yet today? What are we supposed to say about the Giffords thing now? All I know is this guy Loughner is GOOD! Pretending to be an atheist, doing pot, (but not inhaling, ha, ha!). Perfect! “Saying” he reads Marx (ha, ha). He must mean Bill Marx, who writes for Guns and Ammo Magazine! Ha, ha! BTW- where is the latest list of fake hate quotes from Louis Farahkan and Olbermann? We need to get those out there to deflect attention from Sarah.

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By SuperMike1661, January 10, 2011 at 7:59 pm Link to this comment

@ Go Right Young Man,

On January 11 at 12:47 you stated that, “At the risk of sounding immodest, I will say that my work, particularly in global affairs, has demanded that I know a great deal more than anyone on this Web space.”

Therefore you can supply us with the original SOURCE DOCUMENT that verifies that Barack Obama said, “we will bring a gun”, etc. 

???

Amanda for SuperMike1661

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By reynolds, January 10, 2011 at 7:56 pm Link to this comment

leefeller; did he say something to offend you
personally? citizen suave, laugh out loud.

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By RayLan, January 10, 2011 at 7:51 pm Link to this comment

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said at a Philadelphia fundraiser Friday night. “Because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.”

It’s comical that Obama would use such violent language since he has been mostly described as bloodless and dispassionate. It’s not a characteristic remark. He was probably responding to that kind of critism. But leave it to Rico to grasp at this straw, when there a bails of hay in the alternative camp.

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By SuperMike1661, January 10, 2011 at 7:51 pm Link to this comment

@ rico, suave

We have searched for an Original Source for the Barack Obama comment, “we bring a gun” and DEFINITELY do not find a source document. We believe that this quote was fabricated by the McCain Campaign in 2008, but we can not totally verify this.

When you repeat and EXPAND the quote, you DO NOT VERIFY it.  DO YOU HAVE AN ORIGINAL DOCUMENT OR NOT?

Amanda for SuperMike1661

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By Go Right Young Man, January 10, 2011 at 7:50 pm Link to this comment

irishboy,

Thank you.  Thank you.  An excellent post!  I hope you continue here.

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By Go Right Young Man, January 10, 2011 at 7:47 pm Link to this comment

rico, suave,

This is not the first time some tinfoil donning conspiracy theorist here has suggested I work for “Them”!  It seems the more solid my reasoning, the less some are able to dispute the rationale I employ, the more sinister I become.

I have never mentioned, precisely, what it is I do for a living.  If these people knew they would absolutely lose their collective minds…LOL.  At the risk of sounding immodest, I will say that my work, particularly in global affairs, has demanded that I know a great deal more than anyone on this Web space.  No offense to you, Ricoh.

Suffice it to say, if SuperMike understood who I am, and what I do, there would be no changing his mind that I am part of Them! - I am well past making an hourly wage. wink

TruthDig, and one clearly conservative site I visit, is a quirky hobby for me.  Usually performed on a Blackberry with, by choice, no television in sight….LOL Television news, in my very strong opinion, is only to be used as a starting point during any given current event.  People who do what I do usually, and quite simply, pick up the phone.

Post Script: You may have noticed that I comment on only a few types of stories.  Largely on those things I actually know something about.  And I always mean what I write and always write what I mean. - Lying is for children and those who don’t know what they’re writing about.

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By rico, suave, January 10, 2011 at 7:46 pm Link to this comment

Leefeller:

No wait. Come up with any quote of mine that outrages you, from any thread in the last two years, and I’d be glad to explain myself. Thanks again or your interest.

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By rico, suave, January 10, 2011 at 7:42 pm Link to this comment

Leefeller:

Please review every single comment I’ve made on this thread and tell me what you’d like me to explain. Come up with a quote from me and let me elaborate. Thanks for your interest.

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By reynolds, January 10, 2011 at 7:42 pm Link to this comment

i think whacko swerve` is a blech poster. who would use
that picture who actually looked like that?

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By rico, suave, January 10, 2011 at 7:35 pm Link to this comment

SuperMike1661:

June 14, 2008, Radnor, Pa, fundraiser:

” “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said at a Philadelphia fundraiser Friday night. “Because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.”

Do you know how to use Google?

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By RayLan, January 10, 2011 at 6:40 pm Link to this comment

The use of words is what this is all about - sloganism and thought cliches are what justify war and every form of killing from blowing up abortion doctors to occupying a country.
The use of the word ‘hate’ to characterize strong disagreement especially about criticism of those who make judgments based on labels like ‘Truthdig’ ‘Democrat’, ‘Socialist’ or even ‘Republican’ is a perfect example. Real hatred or at least callous indifference is exemplified by the politics of greed and exclusion of the citizens with fewer oportunities, such as those who can’t afford health insurance, seniors and/or veterans, and generally the welfare of the common citizen. This is a substantive definition of hatred not just simplistic stereo-typing.
To then justify ‘second amendment remedies, locking and loading, with military language’ against all those who don’t buy into self-centered ideology, is what is dangerous.

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By Peetawonkus, January 10, 2011 at 6:21 pm Link to this comment

Here’s something for all you righties, a piece of eloquence from William Rivers Pitt.

http://www.truth-out.org/the-wrath-fools-an-open-letter-to-far-right66686

Read it. I double dog dare ya.

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By irishboy, January 10, 2011 at 6:18 pm Link to this comment

ok im irish so this is probably none of my business
but reading your comments but it seems to me that the media in the us has taken over the american people/you communicate anonymously / your ideas are formed by whats on tv not by whats in front of you ie your fellow american. I grew up admiring usa now when i listen to your media and watch how the people on both sides are manipulated it saddens me.You are dissappointing the world pull yourselves together and remember what you used to stand for

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By Peetawonkus, January 10, 2011 at 6:06 pm Link to this comment

Hey, Rico. Your buddy seems to have left the party. Was it because he was outed? Or did he have to go back, hat in hand, to his masters and get a new script? I do have to agree that 15 bucks an hour is a cheap price to sell your fellow human beings out. Even Judas got more than that. What’s your price? Or do you like to work for free?

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By Leefeller, January 10, 2011 at 5:35 pm Link to this comment

So what is being said in the more recent posts here makes about as much sense as Tea Baggers swarming like a heard of cock roaches at a Glen Beck sobbing fest!

Rico, wold it be possible to explain your comments and to whom you are speaking?

GRYM, what was your question below with my name and a list of others in it? It does not make sense, ..... but why change?

You know Super Mikes black listing of GRYm makes sense, but what seems interesting is people have said the same about me and others here.  ONe thing about GRYM he is consistent for he never contributes anything worthy to the article, idea or conversation, he blindly attacks the author, article or anyone who says something he disagrees with, which seems to be just about everything!  Yes GRYM his mother of all offensives,  attacks using a mental walker, for the handicap is obvious!

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By SuperMike1661, January 10, 2011 at 5:11 pm Link to this comment

@ Go Right Young Man

Once again we have exhausted our capacities in attempting to verify your quotation of Barack Obama, “If they bring a knife to the fight, we’ll bring a gun.”  Can you cite a date and VERIFIABLE ORIGINAL source for this quotation?

Thank you.

Amanda for SuperMike1661

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By SuperMike1661, January 10, 2011 at 5:02 pm Link to this comment

@ Go Right Young Man,


On January 10 at 4:14 pm you quoted Wolf Blitzer as saying, “The question is, is there any evidence that…” and so on.

We are analyzing the sources of your research and can not locate an ORIGINAL source for this quotation ON THE INTERNET.  Can you provide a date AND the ORIGINAL source, ideally the CNN recording.

Amanda for SuperMike1661

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By rico, suave, January 10, 2011 at 4:49 pm Link to this comment

GRYM:

Busted!! Can I call you BP for short? And you only make $15/hr? Chump! Suggest you avoid researching your topics from now on and stick to pure flaming like so many of the loons here- it’s far easier and requires hardly any thought.

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By rico, suave, January 10, 2011 at 4:44 pm Link to this comment

Now we’re hearing that Obama’s jackbooted thugs from the FBI are trying to break into Loughner’s parents’ house looking for “evidence” (yeah, right). Loughner is an atheist, smokes a little pot, reads Marx- sounds like the stereotypical Teabagger to me, a real Palin wannabe.

Why are all you progressives so hateful of the “other”?

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By reynolds, January 10, 2011 at 3:35 pm Link to this comment

you haven’t read anything but “bob damron’s address
book” since the onset of your addiction to phonics.

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By SuperMike1661, January 10, 2011 at 3:28 pm Link to this comment

Black Posting by Go Right Young Man

Definition:  A Black Poster, BP, is a paid political operative who is assigned the task of “Clogging” or “Retarding” sophisticated political debate on the internet.  BPs are used almost exclusively by wealthy and Conservative political forces to mount high budget political counterinsurgencies.  A few small companies in London and Washington employee approximately 7 BPs as of January, 2011 for English speaking counter insurgencies.  BPs are paid approximately 15 USD per hour. B Posters are characterized by:

1 – Timely Research.  On-point research is costly.  Black Posters are supplied with their research by the employers who in turn pay professional database researchers who use expensive databases like Lexis Nexus to rapidly acquire research to buttress the posts of BP Operatives.  This research is never attributed to high cost databases, but is “re-sourced”  before posting to make it appear that the research was acquired directly via less costly but very time consuming Google search.  As psychological positioning BPs often BOOST of their immaculate research… Virtual Trash Talk.

2 – BPs consistently display sophisticated analytical arguments: The employers assign Blog sites to the BP, they construct “today’s” argument, supply research and timing to the BP.  Normally, the BP must send the posting link as proof of “work done” to his employer within 4 hours of receiving his instructions.  Example:  At the Truthdig site on 1-10-11, a likely BP,  Go Right Young Man, posted the IMPLICATION that a single left-wing TV personality was equivalent to News Corp, the world’s largest news production company that supports the Consolidated Wealth Class.

3 – BPs can be spotted by their inclusion in highly organized and coordinated attack systems… a System of Systems.  Example: At the same hour that Go Right Youngman was posting at Truthdig, his counterparts at Fox News were posting nearly identical “push back” on the Fox News site.

Recommendation:  Ignore them.  BPs are only present to divert analytical energy AWAY from attacks on their employer’s objectives.  Commenting or otherwise engaging with BPs is precisely what their employers seek.

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By Peetawonkus, January 10, 2011 at 3:21 pm Link to this comment

C’mon, Rico. Seriously, you can tell me. What kind of uniform is that? I wanna get one, too.

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By rico, suave, January 10, 2011 at 3:00 pm Link to this comment

reynolds:

“how absolute is the world of simpletons. give me your lunch money or i’ll make you cry.”

The best autobiography I’ve read in awhile. Thanks.

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By reynolds, January 10, 2011 at 2:56 pm Link to this comment

the reasonable man who scorns the prejudices of idiots
necessarily makes himself the enemy of those
simpletons, but that is unimportant and one must simply
put up with it-  d.a.f. marquis de sade


how absolute is the world of simpletons. give me your
lunch money or i’ll make you cry.

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By Peetawonkus, January 10, 2011 at 2:41 pm Link to this comment

I also see you never bothered to list your documentation for your assertions. We’re all still waiting for that. Or should we wait until you grow a conscience? I realize that could be a long time.

And I’m not sitting in my parent’s basement, though they have a very nice one. I’m sitting in my office, the place where I like to work after graduating from school and passing the bar a few years ago.

How’s your daughter, by the way? Did she ever forgive you?

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By reynolds, January 10, 2011 at 2:40 pm Link to this comment

stereotyping is so easy, especially for rednecks in
trailers poring over myspace.

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By Go Right Young Man, January 10, 2011 at 2:32 pm Link to this comment

Petwinkus,

You asked if anyone could “Name One”.  I named several.  You’re now attempting, miserably we see, to change the subject.

You will be unable to give us one example of ugly discourse or real violence that is unmatched on YOUR bigoted side of politics.

Give us One.  Just One.  I’ll match it word for word. Deed for deed.

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By Peetawonkus, January 10, 2011 at 2:24 pm Link to this comment

Little blustering slave, so tall and racist in your chains. Sad little lonely peasant who imagines himself sitting at the Master’s table. Slave to his prejudices, to his hates. Clueless as to what contempt his master holds him in. So willing and eager to fetch his master’s wood and haul his master’s water, to lick his master’s ass with such a eagerly lying tongue. And when he hears truth spoken, becomes enraged that other peasants should be so bold and so twists truth, soils it, makes everything filthy with his touch. Little slave, collecting your Social Security, all day at the computer posting lies, making your Medicare appointment, hating the government. Foolish old man.

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By Go Right Young Man, January 10, 2011 at 1:54 pm Link to this comment

Peetawinkus - “What is that? Is that a bell hop uniform? That’s so adorable.”

Is there anyone aside from reynolds, ITW, aacme88, Leefeller, RayLan and ribbie149 who would like to associate themselves with this petulant child sitting in his parents basement?

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Don’t allow the individuals above to lie with impunity.  Don’t allow haters to get away with suggesting violence only comes from one side of politics.  Only small-minded bigots believe in such nonsense.

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By Saoirse, January 10, 2011 at 1:45 pm Link to this comment
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A simple question for the right wingnuts who so desperately grasp at straws trying to make the left as culpable as their violence-first brethren…. Assuming that there were some exhortations to violence from the left, just how many were actually carried out?? You’ll really have to dig up (or make up) enough stories to get anywhere near McVeigh et. al.

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By Go Right Young Man, January 10, 2011 at 1:38 pm Link to this comment

Peeta,

You asked if anyone could “Name One”.  I named several.  You’re now attempting, miserably we see, to change the subject.

You will be unable to give us one example of ugly discourse or real violence that is unmatched on YOUR bigoted side of politics.

Give us One.  Just One.  I’ll match it word for word. Deed for deed.

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I hear John Wilkes Booth listened to talk radio before venturing to Ford Theater to murder a republican president.  Can you match that?

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By Peetawonkus, January 10, 2011 at 1:28 pm Link to this comment

Rico
What is that? Is that a bell hop uniform? That’s so adorable.

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By Go Right Young Man, January 10, 2011 at 1:25 pm Link to this comment

rico, suave,

The haters and bigots are showing themselves here.

How many times did you personally see or hear someone from the ‘left’ call for the murder of Bush and his evil cohort, Frankencheney?

These things happen on all sides of politics.  Only small-minded bigots believe otherwise.

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By Peetawonkus, January 10, 2011 at 1:25 pm Link to this comment

We could sit here all damn day and list the murders, bombings, shoot outs with police, threats, disappearances and intimidation from the Right. And things like GRYM—a tortured, lonely man 6 feet deep into his own pathetic and twisted ideology—continue to throw up equal signs and claim the Left is as bad as the Right. The link that Magginkat so kindly provided should be illustration enough. But of course they never bothered to read it. Perhaps deep down inside, underneath all that pseudo-intellectual bluster and desperate need to please Big Daddy, they know the Left has never made the relentless death threats to political opponents that are daily bread for the Right Wing. Go over to Yahoo and read what these creatures really think, when they think they have the floor. The murderous swagger and racism rampant on the comments sections there is truly sobering—and that’s a mainstream site. Dig deeper into the Right and try not to be sick to your stomach. These people have been pumping violent insanity into the body politic ever since Reagan empowered these pricks. Hate radio, hate speech, calls for “2nd Amendment Solutions”—and now the chickens are coming home to roost. The entire world is holding up a mirror to what you’ve said and done—and look at you squirm. Ugly in there, isn’t it?

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By Go Right Young Man, January 10, 2011 at 1:07 pm Link to this comment

Worth repeating!

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we’ll bring a gun.”-  Barack Obama

Thank you, Ricoh.

Unhinged public discourse is thrown from all sides.  Don’t allow individuals here on TruthDig to lie with impunity.  Don’t allow haters here to get away with suggesting violence comes only from one side of politics.

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By rico, suave, January 10, 2011 at 1:05 pm Link to this comment

GRYM:

Don’t bother. These people have their panties so tied in a wad over this, they’ll never listen. They live for superficial shit like this, where it’s easy to bloviate with having to put a lot of thought into it. Name-calling and stereotyping is so easy, especially when preceded by a long hyperventilation.

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By Go Right Young Man, January 10, 2011 at 12:54 pm Link to this comment

Before some hate-filled bigot here on TruthDig goes on incoherently about how I make things up, allow me to give an clear example of my, always verifiable, research.

As Reported by the Huffington Post: Keith Olbermann’s Idea For Beating Hillary: Literally Beating Hillary

“Olbermann was discussing the election with Newsweek’s Howard Fineman, a frequent guest. Said Olbermann: “Right. Somebody who can take her into a room and only he comes out.”

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Did Olbermann intend to imply that Mrs. Clinton should be beaten to death?  Only Olbermann has that answer.  It sure sounds like a clear call to violence by most sane people.  No telling how far some crazy liberal Moonbat will take Olbermann’s “Special” comment.

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By rico, suave, January 10, 2011 at 12:52 pm Link to this comment

Tobysgirl:

Good post.

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By rico, suave, January 10, 2011 at 12:50 pm Link to this comment

If they bring a knife to the fight, we’ll bring a gun.”-  Barack Obama

So much for non-threatening imagery.

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By Tobysgirl, January 10, 2011 at 12:48 pm Link to this comment

Are all Muslims being blamed for 9-11, or are extremist Muslims being blamed? Do you feel bin Laden bears any responsibility for 9-11, despite not being directly involved?

Now you have answered the questions about right-wing extremists. No, not all right-wingers are responsible for what happened. If you answered yes to the query about bin Laden, then you must apply the same standards to the people in this country who indulge in vicious rhetoric. If there is one thing more despicable than a man who murders a nine-year-old girl, it is men and women who sit behind microphones inflaming people then denying any responsibility when someone takes them up on their suggestions. They are obscene ranting COWARDS, who are content to make large sums of money with not one thought given to the effects their words might have.

I’m sorry, but I find COWARDS and BULLIES to be one and the same, and I am sick of lily-livered COWARDS. At least bin Laden lives life on the edge while these folks live life on the edge all right, the edge of a golf course.

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By Go Right Young Man, January 10, 2011 at 12:30 pm Link to this comment

Peetawonkus, - “Please name for me one, a single, Democratic leader, progressive radio host/pundit or civic leader from the left who has called for someone’s death, who has publicly stated that certain Americans shouldn’t be Americans, who has smeared entire groups as Nazis/Socialists/Terrorists, or has argued that children of a different faith, sexuality or born of an immigrant should not be granted full citizenship rights. Name one.”

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Using the same rationalizations employed by some of the unhinged Left? Gladly.

Keith Olbermann, Randy Rhodes, Bill Maher and the current President and Vice President of the United States. - “Enemies” - “Pitchforks” - “Strangulation”.

I do find it fascinating that those individuals on this Web space who write the most unbalanced and hate-filled things are the same individuals who are most offended by my drawing attention to the fact that course discourse and violence come from all sides of politics.

Liars and haters get extremely angry when the truth is told.

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By reynolds, January 10, 2011 at 12:21 pm Link to this comment

“today, the palin people defended the cross-hair map
saying it was a SURVEYOR’S level-sight, not a gun-
sight.” 

talk about a twisted standards transit;

don’t retreat, resurvey.

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By reynolds, January 10, 2011 at 12:12 pm Link to this comment

peet; and how. especially uncle rico. spank him good
and he becomes citizen suave, horatio suave, rainbow
warrior, one world team player. what a yutz.
the other one is an incorrible liar, as hardened as his
arteries.

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By Leefeller, January 10, 2011 at 12:03 pm Link to this comment

Sobering doses of reality, thank you J.D Mystic and ITW! The long list of hate-mongers from the right seems to be even longer then a river in Egypt. I do not know if Truth Dig is the capital of left thought, but as for hate mongering, I do not see any here, unless one points to Chris Hedges weekly whinings or possibly the regular contingent of Zionist poster pointers.

I suppose hate is a commodity like anything else and when coupled with fear makes a nice package. Religion has always been a successful penetrating father of fear, so those inclined have a indoctrinated 3000 year old template track recored to work with.

It seems to me, the web facilitates and fosters a large percent of unsubstantiated crap which covers every topic under the sun, even including the sun!

Anyone with the electronic hardware can support any point of view they wish by searching the web.  Problem is the web can be very much like Fox News, only with so many different unbalanced points of view.  Attempting to discover a fact though all this towering tottering pile of crap becomes quite a choir, constant sifting becomes mind boggling.  It seems clear to me, many imbeciles stop when they find what they believe they want or when it meets their Point of view.  So why bother, sifting through rivers of crap,  on the web, when there is Fox News?

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By Peetawonkus, January 10, 2011 at 11:56 am Link to this comment

reynolds,
I know. You’re right. But it can be so much fun to poke these f*&%wads with a stick.

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By Peetawonkus, January 10, 2011 at 11:51 am Link to this comment

Please name for me one, a single, Democratic leader, progressive radio host/pundit or civic leader from the left who has called for someone’s death, who has publicly stated that certain Americans shouldn’t be Americans, who has smeared entire groups as Nazis/Socialists/Terrorists, or has argued that children of a different faith, sexuality or born of an immigrant should not be granted full citizenship rights. Name one.

There is NO damn equivalence on the left. Disagreeing is not smearing, hating, racebaiting, fearmongering, shrieking. There is no damn equivalence.

Amy Goodman is not Glenn Beck. Bernie Sanders is not Sarah Palin. Thom Hartmann is not Rush Limbaugh.

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By Magginkat, January 10, 2011 at 11:30 am Link to this comment

Scroll through the article at the link below and look at the number of public officials, Congress people, people running for Congress, etc., who have made vile, hateful statements. Oddly enough Sarah Palin is not included in this list even though she has repeatedly made comments like this & posted them on web sites,Facebook, etc. (and has been frantically removing them since the shooting).

http://www.csgv.org/issues-and-campaigns/guns-democracy-and-freedom/insurrection-timeline

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By reynolds, January 10, 2011 at 11:27 am Link to this comment

peet; gone terribly wrong old man (gfys) and uncle
rico are as edward albee’s george and martha;
sad, sad, sad. truth and illusion, they don’t know
the difference. they are, as albee said, just
walking what’s left of their wits. if you follow
their drivel, you’ll find yourself making very small
circle, one littered with empty bottles. unless it
is to insult them, i ignore them. certainly i would
not expect an honest or sober argument from either
as both are simps in the long run. they find so
little logic here in leftist land that they’ve moved
bag and baggage into it, not soon to be dislodged.

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By Go Right Young Man, January 10, 2011 at 11:14 am Link to this comment

CNN’s Wolf Blitzer with congressional reporter, Jessica Yellin, discussing the Arizona shooting. - “The question is, is there any evidence that the suspected shooter in this particular case was a Sarah Palin fan, read Sarah Palin’s website, was a member on Facebook, watched her tweets, or anything like that?”

“None at all,” Yellin responded.  “And there is no evidence that this was even inspired by rage over health care, broadly.  So there is no overt connection between Sarah Palin, health care, and the [shootings].”

Indeed, there is no “overt” or any other sort of connection between Loughner and Palin. If such evidence came to light, it would certainly be news.  But without that evidence, and after a brief caveat, the CNN group went back to discussing the theory that Loughner acted out of rage inspired by Palin and other Republicans.

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Let us all recall the following

- President Bush was the first President-Elect unable to make the customary walk to the capital on inauguration day as democrats were throwing things at him.

- Vice President Joe Biden told Democrats at a Minnesota fundraiser that he’ll “strangle” members of the GOP who complain about the federal budget. - Wednesday, October 06, 2010

- Reported in Vantity Fair 2004, - San Fran Left Wing Terrorists Kill Two Christian Missionaries

- 2005 CafePress harking T-shirts, ball caps and pumper stickers with the slogan “Save America, Kill Republicans”.

- Let us not forget the Award Winning film depicting the assassination of President Bush.

- Or the popular slogan seen all over the Internet; ““Smoke Out The Taliban But Kill Republicans”

- And the largely ignored Sept. 2008 story of peace loving protesters who hurled sacks of rocks and cement on speeding buses of GOP delegates, media, and participants. Apparently protesters stood on overpasses above an interstate highway and dropped the sacks on passing buses.

- We should all recall Keith Olberman’s unhinged “special comment” - REPUBLICANS ARE PLANNING TO KILL YOUR PRESIDENT!

- And then the March, 2010 indictment of Obama donor, Norman Leboon, who created and transmitted a YouTube video in which he threatened to kill Congressman Cantor and his family.

- We should all keep in mind MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow insistence that protesters calling President Obama Hitler is actually a “code word” as a call to violence.

- Apparently Maddow missed Keith Olbermann’s 30 plus references to Bush as Hitler and the “Hitler like laws passed by G.W.Bush”.


Unhinged public discourse is thrown from all sides.  Don’t allow individuals here on TruthDig to lie with impunity.  Don’t allow haters here to get away with suggesting violence comes only from one side of politics.

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By Peetawonkus, January 10, 2011 at 11:10 am Link to this comment

I see that things like GRYM can dish it out with a shovel but can’t take it with a teaspoon. This lie factory (and his fellow fluffers here, like Fathead Freddy and Rico Suave in his pretty little bus driver suit) demand proof of leftist assertions. But seem terribly reluctant to provide documentation and evidence for their own assertions.

Or could it be that these assertions have long been discredited as fabrications by the Right? In any case, we’re still waiting.

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By JDmysticDJ, January 10, 2011 at 8:58 am Link to this comment

Spokesman from the left, Ben Jealous and others have publically issued warnings regarding the potential for violence resulting from the vitriolic hate and anger inducing speech, false accusations, absurd allegations, and distortions emanating from the Right, but people from the Right have continually discounted these warnings and have attempted to point out false moral equivalencies in defense of this vitriol and distortion. This obfuscation from the Right has been well documented and continues here on this thread.

When the University of Ottawa warns Ann Coulter that hate speech is not tolerated in Canada, and when 2000 students protest Ann Coulters appearance causing Canada’s authorities to cancel her appearance, people from the Right attempt to equate this incident with actual acts of violence, and threats of violence. When police authorities suppress demonstrations against the WTO, people from the Right blame the demonstrators for the violence. When an elderly man, who is being physically attacked, bites off a finger at the joint, the Right uses this abhorrent act as an example of equivalent Left violence.  When a tiny number of perceived left-wing radical black activists make an appearance they are used as examples of left-wing violence. 

The Right has throughout history (both modern and ancient,) demonstrated its proclivity and propensity for violence in terms of militarism and suppression of populist movements. These acts of violence perpetrated by the Right are recorded in the historical record, and can not be denied by any unbiased rational observer of history. These evidences are too numerous to relate here, but the magnitude of the blood and misery caused by reactionary right-wing violence is replete with horrific acts of torture and atrocity.

This most recent act of violence, focused on a moderate Democratic politician, perpetrated by an individual that can only be perceived as being deranged, does not condemn all people from a right-wing perspective, but based on the historical record, the Right should be condemned, and reviled. There has been an abundance of platitudes and a rush by the Right to disassociate itself with the actions of this deranged individual, when what’s needed is for the Right to cease its distortions and vitriolic speech, which is clearly aggravating the global and local insanity.

This most recent tragedy is horrific, and this act of insanity can only elicit feelings of despair and sorrow, but the deaths of 6 innocents, and the suffering of others because of this insane act, becomes nearly insignificant, in comparison to other global realities, and insanities.

It’s clear to me that the Left has not been immune to being violent in response to right-wing oppression, and that elements of the Left are also not immune from distorting reality, and using hyperbolic rhetoric to serve their political ends. This most recent tragedy should provide a lesson to all concerned, but history has shown that this most recent event, and many similar events throughout the course history are soon forgotten, and that attempting to use these events as tools for instruction will be met with charges of bias, and irrelevancy, by those blinded by ideology, and to history, and by those who seek to distort current realities and revise history to conform with their ideological beliefs, and personal propensities.

The spin masters are currently engaged in subtly attempting to hide their guilt. These spin masters may succeed in hiding the blood on their hands from many, but removing that blood is another matter, and the removal of this blood can only be achieved by repentance, and by abandoning their bloody ideological beliefs.

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By sweetleaf, January 10, 2011 at 1:56 am Link to this comment
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skimohawk… yeah i watched most of them and realized he was a screwed up kid assimilating some powerful/even screwed up information from where ever one looks…a still forming mind synapsing what… is left to be seen. did he read these works, well not in the way maybe they were written and meant to be read, you know not 140 bytes at a time.

the people being discussed, aka ‘that better get their heads outta the dark place’ conservatives (and those who make excuses or redirect attention to both sides) are being identified with reason, and they need to understand the responsibility of their position. violent political rhetoric has been an issue, and what people have feared from it has been realized. i am talking about these public figures being responsible for the result not the intention (to be clever?) of their suggestions/propaganda.

these people/politicians/pundits/tea party members need to address their responsibility in this, it is called being accountable and then strive for impeccability in their word and responsible for their influence.

better yet people need to quit giving these types an audience if they don’t.

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By Inherit The Wind, January 10, 2011 at 12:54 am Link to this comment

Oh, did I forget to mention she’s also a traitor, having aided her husband’s treasonous efforts at secession?

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By Inherit The Wind, January 10, 2011 at 12:52 am Link to this comment

Today, the Palin people defended the cross-hair map saying it was a SURVEYOR’S level-sight, not a gun-sight.

That should speak for itself. Who the hell would use a surveyor’s transit-sight to target Democrats? Like that’s a really good “message” symbol?  All those who buy it please do a triple back flip into a pig-farm’s waste reservoir!

Does EVERY Tea Party denizen advocate this guy’s actions? I don’t know, I’m not a mind reader.  But I do know that the leaders of the TP and their political campaigns used military metaphors for that symbolize killing anyone who stood in their way, from Palin’s “Reload!” to Angle’s “2nd Amendment moment” to Gifford’s opponent saying Dems should be made to be afraid to leave their houses, the metaphor of violence permeates the TP. 

This was, at the least, the third or fourth threat against Cong. Giffords, including a vandalized office, threats against her safety, and a gun left at a rally.

If the language they are using is TRULY metaphoric then they should do what KO did: Say it’s metaphoric, apologize for using it and condemn its further usage.

But that’s not what they’ve done—they’ve made excuses and now, this ultimate bullshit excuse about a surveyor’s transit, not a gun-sight.

Pure bullshit from a nasty, ignorant, corrupt, irresponsible bully of a former 1/2 term governor of a tiny state (as in 1 congressperson and 3 electoral votes).

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By SteveL, January 10, 2011 at 12:22 am Link to this comment

Note to all politicians of all parties and of any office.  Since you have given up the streets and meeting places to the NRA/Gun nuts, stop having pubic meetings altogether.  Use TV, radio and phone to communicate with your constituents.  The gun slingers have made it far too dangerous for you and the people going there.

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By skimohawk, January 9, 2011 at 11:10 pm Link to this comment

I really have to wonder if all those here and on the television espousing their psychoanalysis of the shooter in a futile attempt to determine motive have actually watched his YouTube videos.
Did you WATCH them?
The kid’s screwed up in the head, is barely literate, and is full of shit as a Christmas Goose claiming he’s read Marx and Mein Kampf- horseshit.
While Beck, Limbaugh, Palin, et al are certainly operating far beyond the parameters of what should be considered acceptable dialog, they’re no more to blame for this than my cat.

Stop trying to make sense of a nutball!
He’s nuts! Fortunately for the prosecutor, clearly NOT “insane”, or he wouldn’t have left the “goodbye” notes.

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By aacme88, January 9, 2011 at 9:59 pm Link to this comment

@ rico suave

The difference in collective right-wing guilt for the Arizona shooting and your reference to collective Muslim guilt for 9/11 is that many Muslims do speak out against inflammatory rhetoric of Muslim radicals while American Conservatives uniformly deny responsibility for any results of the actions or statements of their most radical members. Just read the comments on Yahoo about any article on any subject for a sampling of right-wing vitriol.

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By Leefeller, January 9, 2011 at 7:50 pm Link to this comment

After re reviewing the posts here, the only hate filled post seems to come from always right old man!  GRYM listing everyone as a lier and hate filled seems like the hypocrite judging others by himself.

It may only be me,..... but GRYM does seem to have a heart throb infatuation with the N word, his consistent use of it seems to fill the empty space between his ears, but no it is not hateful! Guess GRYM is just makeing sure the N word is in everyones sights and cross hairs like a pizza take out!

NO! I do not hate you GRYM, though I find such a closed minded lack of logic, astoundingly incomprehensible!

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By RayLan, January 9, 2011 at 7:06 pm Link to this comment

GYRM “That what they do here can be dangerous. “
Right. If anybody is going to go postal from Truthig with all consuming hatred and talk about second amendment remedies it will be from the right wing mindset - can you say Timothy McVeigh? So many speeches by Palin and her il make reference to guns and and violent overthrow. The most I can accuse the Dems of is being wimpy and caving in to the barking right.

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By Go Right Young Man, January 9, 2011 at 5:49 pm Link to this comment

RayLan,

This should have read; “A lie to mask lies?  It won’t work, Ray.  I know there are reasonable people on this Web Space.”

I’ll ask you now to be reasonable and stand up against those who claim violence is seen only on one side of politics.  Stand up to these haters and tell them they’re wrong.  That what they do here can be dangerous.

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