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Spies Gone Wild: Afghanistan

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Posted on Mar 15, 2010
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A U.S. Special Forces soldier on horseback in Afghanistan in 2001.

A Defense Department official may have diverted millions from a Pentagon-funded research website to hire a rogue band of spies he reportedly called “my Jason Bournes” (as in the Matt Damon super assassin). These Jason Bournes, The New York Times reports, allegedly spent time running around both sides of the Afghanistan-Pakistan border looking for militants to have killed.

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The official, Michael D. Furlong, hired contractors from private security companies that employed former C.I.A. and Special Forces operatives. The contractors, in turn, gathered intelligence on the whereabouts of suspected militants and the location of insurgent camps, and the information was then sent to military units and intelligence officials for possible lethal action in Afghanistan and Pakistan, the officials said.

While it has been widely reported that the C.I.A. and the military are attacking operatives of Al Qaeda and others through unmanned, remote-controlled drone strikes, some American officials say they became troubled that Mr. Furlong seemed to be running an off-the-books spy operation. The officials say they are not sure who condoned and supervised his work.

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By PatrickHenry, March 18, 2010 at 2:46 am Link to this comment

Samo,

Nit picking about grammar here is sort of an anal retentive act when such larger issues are being discussed such as extrajudicial assassination by hired mercenaries in the name of you and me as we are paying for it.

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By rico, suave, March 17, 2010 at 6:36 pm Link to this comment

samo:
whatever

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By samosamo, March 17, 2010 at 6:18 pm Link to this comment

By rfidler, March 17 at 7:47 pm

Now the grammar czar? Oops I left a word out, which I know you
wouldn’t do or really couldn’t as your perfection and short
criticisms leave little to leave out of your attacks and yet you still
come up with nothing in the way of bona fides to show why you say that something is absurd that I said about the ‘special privilege of murder and death by american imperialism’, so you jump to grammar thinking that you ‘cleared that one up’.

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By rico, suave, March 17, 2010 at 3:47 pm Link to this comment

samo:
“What I do see on these blog sites is a whole lot of dark sarcasm and facetiousness that seems to either confuse you or irritate you to ‘know’ end and I’ll with this, you should come up with better reasoning for slamming my comments than what the above snippet quotes.”

I make my point. This isn’t even an English sentence.

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By PatrickHenry, March 17, 2010 at 3:03 pm Link to this comment

By rfidler, March 17 at 6:18 pm #

Actually I am very calm and confident in stating it.

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By samosamo, March 17, 2010 at 2:51 pm Link to this comment

By rfidler, March 17 at 4:50 pm
““You and those like you just rant. For instance, the comment
you made, which I cited earlier, “isn’t murder and death a
special privilege of american imperialism?”, is patently absurd
and does absolutely nothing to advance any rational argument
about anything.”“
****************************

First of all, show the bona fides that what you say is absurd is
absurd or do you do PR work for the cia; and jeez I guess those
hard working boys a blackwa… sorry Xe are providing comfort
and shelter to victims of american imperial wars in their times of
strife. So no, you won’t be able to ‘bony fide’ your part of the
argument unless you’re on the high end of the power pyramid at
the cia, you know, that place where they ‘know’ everything and
like it or not, murder in the name of amerian imperialism just
may be the ‘special priviledge’ more than you want to admit.

You did get something correct in the snippet you wrote above;
there may be reasonable arguments going on here and other
sites but even you have to admit that at best most all of the
griping, whining, complaining is venting of frustrations that
people feel and with some very good reasoning provided; and
for there to be a cohesive movement or such, it just will not
happen IF that is what people try to do at blogs as TD.

Most one could do is hope that may a protest march or a
boycott could come of all the rhetorical verbiage, but as far as
real solutions, and take this as advice, the best way to get
something accomplished would be to vote all members of
congress out, and the president, and put in office people who
are not beholding to corporate criminal bribers and that is
surely an improbability as most people who want in congress or
the pentagon or the white house is because those are the places
where some poor old soul can quickly rise up from despair and
get on the fast track of becoming an ‘elite’, so fix that.

What I do see on these blog sites is a whole lot of dark sarcasm
and facetiousness that seems to either confuse you or irritate
you to ‘know’ end and I’ll with this, you should come up with
better reasoning for slamming my comments than what the
above snippet quotes.

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By rico, suave, March 17, 2010 at 2:18 pm Link to this comment

Pat:
I suggested before that your moniker is a disgrace to Patrick Henry. You again support my claim.

As for, “just another JDL bigot”, it’s that type of comment that lends nothing to any argument. It’s a blind flail, animated by blind rage, at an undefined “other” that you have no understanding of, or control over.

Pathetic.

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By PatrickHenry, March 17, 2010 at 1:29 pm Link to this comment

By rfidler, March 17 at 4:50 pm #

“There are those rare posters who demonstrate rational, logical thought. ardee and Inherit the Wind are two such posters” .

I see you are just another JDL bigot, obnoxious, insulting and condesending as the other two.

Birds of a feather.

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By rico, suave, March 17, 2010 at 12:50 pm Link to this comment

samo:
There are those rare posters who demonstrate rational, logical thought. ardee and Inherit the Wind are two such posters.

I strongly disagree with them philosophically, but nevertheless enjoy arguing with them for that reason.

You and those like you just rant. For instance, the comment you made, which I cited earlier, “isn’t murder and death a special privilege of american imperialism?”, is patently absurd and does absolutely nothing to advance any rational argument about anything. Why do you say stuff like that when you know it bears no relationship to reality?

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By samosamo, March 17, 2010 at 11:20 am Link to this comment

rfidler:

What bothers you so much that nobody on any page can get
anything more than that special criticism at which you’re so well
practiced; and that you believe you are the ultimate ‘decider’ for
all of us, like the ‘hall monitor in school’, making your
pronouncements as to whether you liked or understood some
one’s or anyone’s view and they way they say it.

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By rico, suave, March 16, 2010 at 10:01 pm Link to this comment

samo:
You know, I think you’re a computer program. It’s hard for a human to make this shit up.

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By samosamo, March 16, 2010 at 7:57 pm Link to this comment

By rfidler, March 16 at 10:07 pm

No, YOU NEED’NT GO ON because I don’t give a pass for all the
death and murder this country condones, participates in with
great enthusiasm AND PLEASURE AT THEIR LEISURE when some
twit decides they have discovered another terrorist; and that
doesn’t apply to all those apologies given to the innocent victims
of such myriad and occasional bad shots from drones or artillery
or just plain out right attacks at downtown intersections that just
happen to kill a score of those rag heads that YOU OBVIOUSLY
approve of that killing and the couple of grand to the remaining
family members to ‘smooth things over’ and give them
something to live and think on.

And if I am a bit too sarcastic for your uppity sanctimonious
disapproval, then just haul you ass out back and cut the grass.

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By rico, suave, March 16, 2010 at 6:07 pm Link to this comment

samosamo:
“isn’t murder
and death a special privilege of american imperialism?”

You poor blind bastard.

Mao.
Stalin.
Hitler.
Fidel.
Al Qaeda.
Need I go on?

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By samosamo, March 16, 2010 at 3:40 pm Link to this comment

No voices, Just waxing poetic at the time because isn’t murder
and death a special privilege of american imperialism?

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By gerard, March 16, 2010 at 11:16 am Link to this comment

“They don’t value life like we do?”  What a crock!

But of course it’s a very useful crock when you are killing people because it enables you to become soul-less by believing the lie and using it to excuse yourself. Just like the “just war” theory that enables me to kill you—even when you believe the exact same seen from your point of view.

Trouble is, such prejudicial nonsense doesn’t work if you come home, start hearing things, can’t sleep, can’t eat, hit your wife for no reason, don’t want to play with the baby, wake up screaming with nightmares.  Then you gotta find out how to make a “just peace” with yourself and others. You gotta go back to Nam and talk to the guys you missed when you were shooting the place to smithereens and make sure they forgive you, etc.

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By heavyrunner, March 16, 2010 at 8:40 am Link to this comment

Does this not sound disgustingly similar to the German S.S., with their jeeps with skull hood ornaments, on their murderous rampage through the Ukraine and Russia during WW II?  Many were hung after the war.  Some were brought to the U.S. by Bill Casey’s O.S.S. to help design the C.I.A.

Last week I met a recently retired Lt. Colonel from the U.S. Army Special Forces and his wife when they were visiting a mutual friend.  In the course of the afternoon’s conversation the wife told me her husband thinks that was is needed in Afghanistan is a “mass killing” so they could “start over with a clean slate” and that “Asians don’t value human life the same way we do in the west.”  Sounds like a quote from General Westmoreland, doesn’t it?

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By rico, suave, March 16, 2010 at 8:23 am Link to this comment

samo:
“assassinating at leisure for
their pleasure which I have heard that is a possibility.”

Where, oh where did you “hear” THAT? You gotta do something about those voices, man.

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By gerard, March 16, 2010 at 8:15 am Link to this comment

They still look like a cross between Lawrence and the Sundance Kid.  Sad thing is, their meddlesome ventures are likely to be a lot more destructive than either of the former.

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By Alejandro, March 16, 2010 at 7:52 am Link to this comment
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It’s rather ironic that today the press seems to think that the American people must be aware of every on-going operation that our government takes to apprehend and or eliminate real threats to the difficult mission that our soldiers have been tasked by us, to undertake.

I detest war and those that would conspire to send our children to war. That being said. I know first hand that some operations are very sensitive and should never be revealed to the general public. If the press and the people want to end this war? Then call for a general strike and the War will end. Call for 20 to 30 million Americans to surround the White House and the Pentagon, and the war will end. But, please don’t reveal sensitive information that puts our soldiers at risk.

That is totaly irresponsible and to me, borders on treason.

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By rico, suave, March 16, 2010 at 6:22 am Link to this comment

gerard:
If you knew anything about the terrain, you’d know that horseback is about the best mode of transportation there. And if you knew anything about the photo, you’d know that the horses were provided by the local tribesmen, who were HELPING the SF find and kill the Taliban.

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By Mild Mannered SuperHero, March 15, 2010 at 9:48 pm Link to this comment
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What’s the problem?

I mean really! What’s the problem? Is the body count too low?

Give ‘em all the $$$  they need.

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By samosamo, March 15, 2010 at 5:29 pm Link to this comment

Hey, give a bunch of highly paid demented gung-ho steroid
monkeys(not sure about this part) a gun sacks full of cash and
unfettered reign and what would anyone expect even if it meant
that they would come over here to exercise their new found
dream job of basically killin… sorry, assassinating at leisure for
their pleasure which I have heard that is a possibility.

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By PatrickHenry, March 15, 2010 at 5:06 pm Link to this comment

Christ, I always wonder about the imaginative ways of how my tax money is misspent.

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By gerard, March 15, 2010 at 12:11 pm Link to this comment

The picture alone looks like somewhere between “Lawrence of Arabia” and a sepia reprint of “Sundance.”  Chances are, that’s the way these guys actually see themselves, sad to say. 
  Or are they “simply doing a job like any other job”?
  As to the way we see them—well, that really doesn’t seem to matter at all.
  And how does “the military” see them—if it sees them?  A useful and irresponsible adjunct that can pull off things the regulars wouldn’t dare?  A way to dispose of Old Soldiers that Never Die and got nothin’ else t’do?

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