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Single-Payer Health Care: $570 Billion Cheaper

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Economist Gerald Friedman has what looks to be the silver bullet against the claim that single-payer health care is infeasible on economic grounds, showing how “Medicare for all” could save billions of dollars while improving millions of lives.

Study his easy-to-grasp charts and figures explaining how to fund the plan and how much it would save in the two-page document linked below. —ARK

Gerald Friedman at Dollars & Sense:

The Expanded & Improved Medicare for all act” (HR 676) would establish a single authority responsible for paying for health care for all Americans. Providing universal coverage with a “single-payer” system would change many aspects of American health care. While it would raise some costs by providing access to care for those currently uninsured or under-insured, it would save much larger sums by eliminating insurance middlemen and radically simplifying payment to doctors and hospitals. While providing superior health care, a single-payer system would save as much as $570 billion now wasted on administrative overhead and monopoly profits. A single-payer system would also make health-care financing dramatically more progressive by replacing fixed, income-invariant health-care expenditures with progressive taxes. This series of charts and graphs shows why we need a single-payer system and how it could be funded.

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By Justin Case, April 18, 2012 at 8:22 pm Link to this comment

URL keeps getting mangled
http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/health/health_stew/2012/03/statins_chronic_disease_—_and.html
or google search for terms:

statins chronic disease html

the first boston.com link will be the right one (for now)

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By prisnersdilema, April 17, 2012 at 9:06 pm Link to this comment

People are catching on.

http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/health/health_stew/2012/03/statins_chronic_disease_—
_and.html

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By bob zimway, April 17, 2012 at 11:55 am Link to this comment

The mandate means more government control. If I were a healthy twenty year old
living away from my parents there is no way that I would pay ‘dues’ simply to be
subservient to the same corporations that have lied to and cheated us all along. If
the mandate passes, watch for a massive throw down, especially by young men.

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By Not One More!, April 16, 2012 at 11:40 pm Link to this comment

You won’t be able to change the health system until you are able to pry the cash out of the insurance industry’s claws. Cause they aren’t going to just hand it over for the sake of health care for all.

That extra $570 billion can go a long way to pay off our elected officials and for Obama to say single payer is off the table.

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By Justin Case, April 16, 2012 at 9:47 pm Link to this comment

“In fact in the last 20 years they have successfully destroyed universal [single payer] health care in Canada”
Are you in Canada, Jimmy? No one here is saying it’s destroyed.

People get surgery, people get medical tests, people get stitches, people get vaccines, people get pills paid for in many cases.

“Milton friedman declared”
Well he’s an asshole, I’d suggest we don’t listen to him.

“I am quickly coming to the conclusion that moving to Bangkok where I could probably pay for an angioplasty out of pocket, would be wiser for my health care than waiting around for the health care industry to decide:” - El_Pinguino

Just remember that some painkillers, maybe other meds, are illegal there. No prescriptions for morphine, so some surgery would be horrific after. In the world there’s no replacement for it.

Cliff: “Out of an annual Health Care Bill for the U S of about $2.5 Trillion at that time, it would cost a shade under $2 Trillion if nothing changed except Privatized vs. State Administered Single Payer - a savings figure of slightly over $500 Billion per years”

Such nonsense. In Canada your taxes can put less than 3k/year into health care and cover everyone.
Just imagine 3k x 313 million (http://www.census.gov/population/www/popclockus.html). 940 billion a year for the nation would cover it. All of it.

“Thank you Mr. Friedman for saying truth to the people”
Disgusting evil fraud.

Marshall : “Private insurance suffer nowhere near this level of fraud because there’s an incentive to prevent it, unlike with socialized entitlement programs. “

bzzzt WRONG
there’s incentive to CAUSE fraud by collecting premiums, using them to hire lawyers, then lying about the conditions of the claim or pre-claimant so that no money is ever paid out, driving up the cost of health care 10x. You always pay for treatment and never receive it. That’s fraud.

“After reading Chris Hedges this morning it seems crystal clear to me that America is finished. We have become a lawless country run by a criminal cartel of madmen. If you are young I would encourage you to immigrate elsewhere. Before you are victimized by these lunatics.”
- prisnersdilema

DING-DING-DING we have a winner.
that IS the right answer.

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By Not One More!, April 16, 2012 at 3:53 pm Link to this comment

The corporate elite have their henchmen and women (who are our selected, I mean elected, officials) actively avoiding any mention of single payer. The silence is for the benefit of the corporate elite’s bottom line, not for the public’s benefit.

And the remarkable thing is that we still keep voting for both the democratic and republican party leadership while they waste no effort to act against the interests of the American people.

If Obama’s behavior (re: taking single payer off the table, bailout of wall street etc) has not risen to the level of stopping your support for him, what would it possibly take? I know, you are stuck voting for Obama because there is a republican candidate.

It is time to start voting third party, or write in anybody, and stop voting for the status quo and giving your consent.

Is this any candidate’s priority? Let us know.

- Ending the war and war based economy

- Providing Single payer health care for all

- Protect our food supply by promoting organic foods and stop support GMOs

- Protect our environment for future generations

that is a short set

Change will only happen with change at the top. It is misleading when they tell you that change has to happen at the bottom. That may be where is starts, but if the top never changes, there hasn’t been real change.

There is no peace if there is injustice, and there is no justice if it is based on lies.

stop supporting the status quo, vote third party

Silence is consent.

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By Cliff Carson, April 16, 2012 at 11:36 am Link to this comment

Marshall, April 15 at 9:54 pm

“Cliff - I wasn’t responding to your post, but was referring to the report (or more accurately, the “article”) cited on this page.  It doesn’t mention fraud.”

MY bad Marshall.  I thought you were alluding to some article somewhere that you didn’t link.

As to the pay to doctor’s.  My wife and I are friends with our Doctor and his wife. During a visit with him in our home I asked him about this question.  He said that Medicare did in fact pay a starving wage for most protocols but he would never refuse a patient simply because they were on Medicare or Medicaid.

However he did say that his experience was that there was likely to be more trouble collecting from a Private Insurance Company than there was for Medicare.

They think America would be way better off with a Single Payer System.

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By moonraven, April 16, 2012 at 10:32 am Link to this comment

prisner wrote:

“After reading Chris Hedges this morning it seems crystal clear to me that America is
finished. We have become a lawless country run by a criminal cartel of madmen. If you
are young I would encourage you to immigrate elsewhere. Before you are victimized by
these lunatics.

THE USA HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE ROGUE STATE YOU DESCRIBE.  YOU JUST DID NOT WANT TO SEE THAT.

I LEFT IT TWENTY YEARS AGO AND THAT WAS THE SINGLE BEST LIFE DECISION I HAVE MADE TO DATE IN MY 67 PLUS YEARS OF THIS LIFETIME.

I think that it’s quite likely that other nations may impose economic sanctions against
this country, in the future. Because of our human rights violations, and the danger we
pose to the freedoms, and the economic well being of the rest of the world.

OTHER NATIONS ARE ALREADY TALKING VERY DIRECTLY TO OBOMBER—WITNESS LAST WEEKEND IN CARTAGENA WHERE EVEN THE RIGHTWING PRESIDENT OF COLOMBIA GAVE HIS SKINNY ASS THE BLAST.  (NOT TO MENTION THAT 12 SECRET SERVICE AGENTS WERE CANNED FOR BOOZING IT UP WITH PROSTITUTES AND STARTING STREET FIGHTS—AND OLE HILLARY THE HAG PUT ON HER STREET SUIT YESTERDAY AND GOT BLASTED ON BEER AND RUMBAED HER FAT ASS ALL OVER THE BARS OF CARTAGENA.  GRINGOS DO NOT KNOW HOW TO BEHAVE THEMSELVES—NOT AT HOME, AND DEFINITELY NOT IN OTHER VENUES.  THAT’S WHY THEY ARE CALLED THE UGLY AMERICANS—AS OPPOSED TO THOSE AMERICANS IN THE OTHER COUNTRIES OF THIS HEMISPHERE.)

God help us.

GOD DOES NOT GIVE A RAT’S ASS.

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By mrfreeze, April 16, 2012 at 7:22 am Link to this comment

prisnersdilema - Our government (and the wealthy interests that own it) know exactly why they’ve been able to dominate and conquer us: it’s the whole value of individualism that we’ve been taught to cherish that is our Achilles heel.

Everyone believes that we’re all “modern day pioneers” who are responsible only to ourselves and who believe that we’re all just modern versions of Clint Eastwood’s wild, wild west. What people don’t realize is that individuals have NO real power. It’s in organizing and creating community that power is created. Unfortunately, our consumer culture, our unwillingness to work with each other and a government more-than-willing to sell all of us “pioneers” down the river has brought us to this precipice. As Fibonacci65 stated correctly: we will never have universal health coverage in this country.

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By prisnersdilema, April 16, 2012 at 6:36 am Link to this comment

After reading Chris Hedges this morning it seems crystal clear to me that America is
finished. We have become a lawless country run by a criminal cartel of madmen. If you
are young I would encourage you to immigrate elsewhere. Before you are victimized by
these lunatics.

I think that it’s quite likely that other nations may impose economic sanctions against
this country, in the future. Because of our human rights violations, and the danger we
pose to the freedoms, and the economic well being of the rest of the world.

God help us.

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By Fibonacci65, April 16, 2012 at 5:10 am Link to this comment

Look, I’ve been there, done that—lived in the States, Canada, England.  The U.S. will NEVER have a single-payer, universal health care sytem for many of the reasons others have pointed out.  But also because it does not have the value system to support a system through taxation (Americans have no clue what taxes are about or for) and doctors would never accept being public servants, poor dears.  Forget it, you’re screwed and it seems odd everyone in the world but Americans recognize this.  The most you’ll ever get is the rotten partial payment system, Medicare, which still requires private insurance.

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By Cliff Carson, April 16, 2012 at 3:17 am Link to this comment

Thanks Jimmy

To me the biggest fraud in History is the Government claim that Medicare and Social security is bankrupt.  Solvency wouldn’t be in question if Congress both Republican and Democratic hadn’t stolen several Trillion dollars from collected funds and then blamed the victims - the rate payers for the fiasco.

I will check out the HMO thing see if I can discern what you are talking about concerning the 8 Billion.

As to scale keep in mind that a Trillion dollars is a thousand billion.

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By Marshall, April 15, 2012 at 10:54 pm Link to this comment

Cliff - I wasn’t responding to your post, but was referring to the report (or more accurately, the “article”) cited on this page.  It doesn’t mention fraud.

mrfreeze - I haven’t tried to get a disputed claim resolved through insurance, but nor have I tried to get a disputed claim resolved through Medicare.  What I do know from my father’s experiences is that Medicare appears to be accepted by fewer and fewer doctors while it’s annual costs continue to rise (given inflation) - all under the shadow of projected insolvency which will simply be forestalled by raising taxes… which solves nothing.  I see expanded medicare not as a cure-all for our healthcare problems, but as trading one non-working system for another.  Instead, I believe that changes in the overall incentives under the current system is a better solution.

The issue isn’t public vs. private; that’s a red herring and a convenient excuse to hide the problems behind an ideological debate.  The problem is how the current system is structured and where we put the focus on cost cutting.

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By Ryan, April 15, 2012 at 10:50 pm Link to this comment
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Fraud is ever present, the best solution is one that provided 1) transparency and 2)
accountability to results and performance. Oh! ‘til the day!

The question is if we as a free market can know that our dollar-vote is fueling the best
bang for its economic buck. In this reality a single payer system would hold the trump
card. Now, whether or not it could maintain it’s own viability would then come down to its
management, transparency in numbers, and accountability to the free market for
ensuring performance.

But this is also where a single payer system breaks down. What such system for actual
transparency and accountability exists? It is in the seemingly ever present lack of
efficiency within bureaucratic systems that we can expect failure in time. Which in my
observation comes down to a lack of driving motivators like incentive based pay models.
Proof? Go to any office where there is little to no room for advancement and look at the
level of strategy and motivation for performance and thus efficiency the employees bring
to the table, in contrast to a highly driven and passionate sales and marketing team.
Night, meet Day.

Luckily our forefathers got it right and realized that a true democracy is nothing more
than a mob-ocracy. That’s why we as the United States are a Republic: because there is
nothing more dangerous than the apathy of a citizen in a democracy. And while it may
seem a bit simplistic, when you consider the underlying mechanics it becomes eerily
accurate that… We don’t have time to care. I honestly don’t think that the average
person out there doesn’t care. I think we just are just simply too busy with work,
commuting, family, entertainment, fitness, etc, etc, etc… Who has time for reviewing what
local, regional, municipal, state, and federal government offices are up to?

Even back then, without the modern conveniences of documentation and
communications systems, transparency was difficult. It required an active and educated
citizenry.

We have fantastic capabilities in tracking and dynamically displaying information that our
forefathers didn’t… Which gives us a unique ability to more effectively monitor and report
activities and outcomes. This is an essential ingredient for a republic to work. Because if
we as a collective aren’t monitoring the efforts, activities, and results generated through
our elected and/or appointed officials than we are inviting fraud in through the front door. 

Simply put, if we are individually NOT empowered to and furthermore invest sufficient
time to monitor and review and strategize to ensure the viability of our societal systems,
then we are entrusting that power to others… Which is the quintessential ingredient for
fraud: trust.

Trust but Verify.

Cheers!

Note: wrote this on an iPhone, please excuse any fragments or typos or ish.

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By jimmmmmy, April 15, 2012 at 8:53 pm Link to this comment

Cliff Carson , Rick Scott is currently the Gov. of Florida committed the biggest medicare fraud in history up until recently, while running a large HMO. He walked after paying a large fine in a plea bargaining arraingement. the largest fraud in history was recently done by Obama when he turned over 8 billion dollars to big Pharma for a player to be named later as it were . No charges have been filed.

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By Cliff Carson, April 15, 2012 at 8:05 pm Link to this comment

Jimmy

There is fraud in Medicare.

Who do you think is committing that fraud - the patients or the Insurance Companies or the Doctors or the Hospitals or the Government.  Don’t forget there are Private Companies involved in Medicare - check it out.

I’m going to bet on everyone cheating except the patients.  The patients are the ones getting screwed.  They pay more than enough in premiums every year to cover all cost for provided care, Administration, and yes, fraud.

I don’t know who Rick Scott is so give me a link to get started and I will check him out.

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By jimmmmmy, April 15, 2012 at 7:55 pm Link to this comment

Cliff Carson ,Do you know who Rick Scott is? If you want to talk about fraud against medicare look at him first.

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By Cliff Carson, April 15, 2012 at 7:40 pm Link to this comment

Marshall, April 15 at 6:26 pm

“Nowhere in the report is there mention of whether it factors-in the massive fraud
in medicare, where 10% of all claims are fraudulent, adding $60B annually to the cost.”

Get your glasses on Marshall, I didn’t cite a report, so lets see the one you are talking about.  I am one of those on this site that actually goes and reads provided links.

And if you will give it some thought I spoke of the TOTAL cost of both Government and Private.  Total means it involves everything including fraud.

Just between you and me I don’t trust an Insurance Company any more than I trust the Government to make a just decision when money is involved.

If you think that the Private Insurance Industry won’t take advantage of you at every possible instance I might have some property to sell you.

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By mrfreeze, April 15, 2012 at 7:31 pm Link to this comment

Marshall - I think you raise a valid point about fraud, but I think you’re being a bit naive to think that “private” companies have any more incentive to prevent fraud than the government. Far from it. What about all the kick-backs doctors receive from big pharma? What about the fact that prices are all inflated due to the insurance companies being involved in the first place. Every try to get a disputed claim resolved through a private insurer? They spend a HUGE amount of money obfuscating, losing paperwork, lying and cheating the system and adding on huge costs that don’t need to exist.

As a number of us have already mentioned on this thread: health care is nothing more than a huge profit center for insurance companies and other interlopers who suck the system for every penny they can get…..and then some.

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By Marshall, April 15, 2012 at 7:26 pm Link to this comment

Nowhere in the report is there mention of whether it factors-in the massive fraud
in medicare, where 10% of all claims are fraudulent, adding $60B annually to the
cost.  Private insurance suffer nowhere near this level of fraud because there’s an
incentive to prevent it, unlike with socialized entitlement programs.

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By Cliff Carson, April 15, 2012 at 6:01 pm Link to this comment

I think it was in 2008 or 2009 that I posted just what Friedman seems to have recently discovered .

It was an extremely easy exercise because all the data was available to anyone with a computer and some basic knowledge.

I looked up the total spent annually for Health Care in the United States and then looked up the Amount of Insurance premiums paid to the Insurance Companies annually.  Yes I know that the Insurance companies don’t cover all the U S Citizens. So I looked up the total payments by Insurance Companies giving apples to apples and I then had a per-capita cost of Health Insurance for the population of the country from both perspectives.

Then I looked at the Administrative costs expended by the U S Government for their portion of the aggregate United States Health Care Costs.  Now I could look at what it would cost the American citizen if the Federal Government Administered a Single Payer System.  Out of an annual Health Care Bill for the U S of about $2.5 Trillion at that time, it would cost a shade under $2 Trillion if nothing changed except Privatized vs. State Administered Single Payer - a savings figure of slightly over $500 Billion per year.  I compared this figure to the Insurance cost of coverage per covered rate payer.  The difference was in the Administration and profit margin costs to keep the Insurance Companies in Control.

When I posted this in comments on a thread concerning Health Care and Single Payer, the Republican Trolls came out from under their rocks telling jokes akin to Little Black Sambo, watermelon patches, and stuffed Monkey dolls.  Other than telling me I was stupid (or a moron as would IMAX) the realities of the comparison were ignored.

Thank you Mr. Friedman for saying truth to the people.

Don’t put anything past the Republican party, I encourage everyone to visit the current article on Truthdig concerning Arizona’s latest ignorance in ruling that a woman is pregnant before conception.  And them suckers want the people of America to vote them back into control.  They will have to make it without my support.

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By mrfreeze, April 15, 2012 at 2:33 pm Link to this comment

El Pinguino - Yes, here’s an interesting episode from the Vanguard Documentary series about being “under the knife” in other countries:

http://current.com/shows/vanguard/episodes/season-five/under-the-knife-abroad/

At one point in the story the journalist is speaking with the director of the hospital who basically laughs out-loud when asked about the competition that Indian health care poses to the U.S.. It’s a telling moment and something more Americans should see.

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By El_Pinguino, April 15, 2012 at 1:51 pm Link to this comment

I am quickly coming to the conclusion that moving to Bangkok where I could probably pay for an angioplasty out of pocket, would be wiser for my health care than waiting around for the health care industry to decide:

*Oh you are right. We’ll give your money back and play nice. How silly of us to think health care should be for profit. Pleas accept our apologies*

By the way… if you want a real primer in the health care industry do a google search on ex-pat health insurance. Fill out the quotes as if you are moving to say Spain or Thailand or even Costa Rica. You’ll be surprised at the cost. Then add in the fact you would be in USA 1 month a year and watch the costs skyrocket.

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By moonraven, April 15, 2012 at 1:17 pm Link to this comment

But that’s why THEY (the ones with the power) are against Single Payer!

Precisely because it is so much cheaper,

there are fewer profits to be made.

DUH.

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By jimmmmmy, April 15, 2012 at 11:32 am Link to this comment

Prisnrsdilema,  as you can see by my post we are in agreement , good post. Mr Freeze the middle men who number in the millions and make more than a hundred Ks are the real impediment. They see change as a threat to their life style and will resist mightily. Can you blame them? Justin , I live in Canada and they have been actively dismantling universal health care for 20 years or so . Since the first free trade deal was signed , a coincidence I’m sure. Mike Moore painted a far to rosy picture of Canadian Health care in Sicko than the reality. Milton friedman declared the middle class a needless expense in the 60s. Reagan gave him free rein to impliment his theory domestically in the 80s. So called single payer health care can’t exist without a middle class . Unless we vote none of the above enmasse, both these ideas are finished at least for this generation.

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By jimmmmmy, April 15, 2012 at 11:10 am Link to this comment

The article misses the point Health care in Amerika is about profit not cost. The several million benificiaries of the U.S. Health care racket will not be dissuadeed by any argument. In fact in the last 20 years they have successfully destroyed universal [single payer] health care in Canada and Britain.Reminds me of an OWS guy being interviewed and referring to wall street denizens as Fat Cats. He’s made a fatal error. These are not fat cats but Bengal Tigers and Bengal Tigers don’t do negotiation.

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By bigchin, April 15, 2012 at 10:27 am Link to this comment
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why are you censuring comments?

very democratic, that…

very “progressive” indeed.

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By Mojambo, April 15, 2012 at 9:49 am Link to this comment
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“Regarding the funding, five different taxes!”

Five different taxes that result in significantly more money in the pockets of every
single person in this country under the top 5%.

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By prisnersdilema, April 15, 2012 at 6:36 am Link to this comment

Try to understand something. The intent of health care has never been about health, and
that’s why it doesn’t work.

The intent of health care is to make astronomical profits for large insurance
companies,and their investors. To do this, they limit competition by having a monopoly
exemption, shift care from expensive doctors to cheaper nurses, prescribe medications
that cost 50 cents a pill to make for $150 a pill, control the regulator process by political
bribery, limit care to sick and dying patients by excluding expensive treatments,
substitute advertising for infrastructure, limit the amount of their liability by capping
medical law suits, removing any alternative health treatments people my pursue, sending
jobs overseas, and just generally lying cheating and stealing.

Then they turnaround and try and project an aura of care and concern for people, when
in point of fact the profits they make, result in the deaths of small children, babies, the
elderly, and people whose medical care is not profitable for them. 

Its as if those, who manned the ovens at Dachau, Breslin, and Auschwitz, failed only
because they didn’t have the right public relations firms. The result is the same, money
made from killing people.

So take a look at your insurance deductible, is it Two thousand dollars, 4 thousand
dollars, 7 thousand dollars. Can you even afford to use it?

Consider health reform, as a tithe you pay to the corporate state, like a modern day
version of a serf’s collar, but you are owned none the less. You are the cattle, and our
health is only important to them as long as you are productive, but when you reach the
point where your shelf life has expired, then you will die via one of the usual means,
typically via one of the usual degenerative diseases, than can easily cured, just not by
them.

So, health care is not health care, and the idea of saving money is scary to them,
because it will cut into the gargantuan profit that they need, so that a few people can live
lives of luxury and wealth, while controlling the political class….

It’s never been about health,  they don’t want cheaper, they want more profitable.

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By Justin Case, April 14, 2012 at 9:21 pm Link to this comment

“Economist Gerald Friedman has what looks to be the silver bullet against the claim that single-payer health care is infeasible on economic grounds, showing how “Medicare for all” could save billions of dollars while improving millions of lives. “

So simple.

Just look at Canada and any other nation using it. Lower unemployment, less sick days, more productivity, higher wages, higher satisfaction with taxes because what’s returned by tax-dollars is WORTH something.

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By Robert, April 14, 2012 at 9:21 pm Link to this comment
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Where are the profits, where is the overcharging, where are grossly overpriced pharmaceuticals, where are unnecessary procedures, where is employment provided healthcare blackmail and where are pseudo insurance policies to milk even the poorest.
Everybody knows the issue has nothing at all to do with healthcare, neither it’s quality or it’s costs, it’s all about the profits, “SHOW ME THE MONEY” and, screw everybody else.
This message is brought to by Uncle Tom Obama, despair and trapped, that’s the reality behind hope and change.
Your favourite Uncle is currently trying to force this on Australia and Canada because their healthcare system make the US high profit version look bad. So rather than improve the US system, Uncle Tom Obama is working hard at destroying other countries universal health care systems.
Uncle Tom Obama making the US health care system ‘look’ better by making other countries health care systems worse, despair and trapped.

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By bigchin, April 14, 2012 at 4:57 pm Link to this comment
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On January 14th, 2009, just a week before Obama’s inauguration, the National Nurses Organizing Committee/California Nurses Association released a co-sponsored study asserting that “Medicare for All (Single-Payer) Reform Would Be Major Stimulus for Economy with 2.6 Million New Jobs” ( http://yubanet.com/usa/Study-Medicare-for-All-Single-Payer-Reform-Would-Be-Major-Stimulus-for-Economy-with-2-6-Million-New-Jobs_printer.php ):

“...Expanding Medicare to include the uninsured, and these on Medicaid or employer-sponsored health plans, and expanding coverage for those with limited Medicare, would have the following immediate impacts:

* Create 2,613,495 million new permanent good-paying jobs (slightly exceeding the number of jobs lost in 2008)

* Boost the economy with $317 billion in increased business and public revenues

* Add $100 billion in employee compensation

* Infuse public budgets with $44 billion in new tax revenues…”

It was totally ignored by Obama and the Democrats.

This was before Max Baucus had the single-payer contingency thrown out of his conference room and arrested, while joking that he needed more police.

I posted a largely unread “diary” (eyes roll) about the study over at dailykossip but the Obamatons there weren’t interested, too busy pushing the “public option”  - the one their infallible leader had already lied to them about, had already sold down the river in a back door deal w/ “the industry.”

We know what dailykossip is all about now.

But who are YOU going to vote for in 21012?

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By vector56, April 14, 2012 at 4:45 pm Link to this comment

Republicans use the Abortion issue as a Linus test for their candidates running for office, if 50% to 70% of Liberals in the Democratic party want single payer why do 90% of the Democrats in the House and Senate not support such a plan?

If the answer is that they are “bought off”, why do they still have a job?

Mrfreeze is right; the Health Care Insurance lobby is powerful and to be feared.

Allowing ourselves to be turned into “consumers” (spectators) has neutralized our power as citizens.
Consumers only live to support corporations (buy their shit); citizens are why nations exist.

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By mrfreeze, April 14, 2012 at 3:22 pm Link to this comment

What a great idea! Let me quote the one sentence in the report that will make it impossible to become a reality:

“While it would raise some costs by providing access to care for those currently uninsured or under-insured, it would save much larger sums by eliminating insurance middlemen and radically simplifying payment to doctors and hospitals.”

“...by eliminating insurance middlemen….”

It’s precisely these “middlemen” who OWN our government and who aren’t about to be eliminated from the equation. After all, there’s no other industry in America today with growth potential as is health care.

And one final thought: “health care” today has little or nothing to do with ensuring all Americans have access to it. It’s about money. It’s about profit. It’s about turning anyone who has medical bills into an indentured servant. It’s about all the ancillary businesses that flourish due to the HC industry.

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By JT, April 14, 2012 at 3:05 pm Link to this comment
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Save 570 billion dollars! Over what period of time? Regarding the funding, five different taxes!  For individuals and corporations, how much would a flat tax rate have to be in order to pay for single-payer annually? Even though I favor a single-payer system and a non-profit based healthcare system, the series of graphs and charts failed to show me why we need a single-payer system.

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By Carl Quinlan, April 14, 2012 at 2:47 pm Link to this comment
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Single payer would also encourage small business. Imagine quitting your dead-end job (that you cling to because you’re afraid of losing “benefits”) and launching your own business.

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