Oh what is the fuss about, we are talking about a national health system for all Americans. My goodness is it not the right of all to have reasonable health care regardless of social standing and wealth.

I favor the French health care system and
Cuba has a wonderful health care system for their
citizens, but no fascist country like the United
States will ever provide health care for all their
citizens, because corporations want to keep nearly
all the nations money for themselves and consider
average people expendable and a waste of
taxpayer money—it is much better to be used as
bonuses for their better rip off artists, like pulled off
the bankster mafia bailout fraud.

Great headline and one that should be on every media site. The country of the USA must ensure that a basic health care service is available to all Americans not just a select few who can afford the outrageous level of insurance. Believe me, the world still looks to the USA as the ultimate land of hope and freedom! So what is going wrong?

Why don’t journalist pick up on that stuff?

so the ins companies get a single payer system
that uses public money to update infastructure
when ever they want.  The single payer being us.

it is a thought to be pondered…

we have have a privatized wasteful, exclusive,
expensive, system

Our frinds inside the beltway gave the ins companies
more billions to straighten out the records and
make them uniform.

so that money was a give away,,,
if we were to get a single payer, 
it would have been money well spent rather than
corporate welfare.

Why did the public have to pay for this….

computerizing all health care systems?

it seems that the health care ins companies are
the ones that should have done this with their
profits…..
this benifited them….they should have done that
long ago…
another 3 billion handout to ins companies to do
their job. (i believe it was 3 billion obama threw
        at this, not sure, might have been more)

I just hope the United States has the resolve to set up a Single Payer Health Care System and provide health care for all like the rest of the civilized world, because they can if they will and it will be better for the country as a whole in the long run. If Democrats have to put the health care program through by themselves, then Democrats should by all means do the Single Payer Health Care System.  May Democrats have the resolve to do it, because really the private system doesn’t work well for the populace.  Corporate CEO’s are way too greedy.

I’m sure i will need some intellectual property
rights on that one, wouln’t you think?

I would say ofersince72 is getting drunker and drunker today.

dis fer u ardee

People often ask me
just where it is i come from
i just scratch my head and tell them
i don’t know where it begun, but im a

redneck, nigger, and a hippie
all wrapped up in one
a redneck , nigger and a hippie
and its been a lot of fun !!!!!

Plenty of verses to it, simple G & D strum on the git.  its a sing along ardee, kinda john prine

“if it weren’t fer oil, no one wud care bout
an arab or a jew… “

Here is a really good video history related to what you have said.

A historical satire about oil and war:

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/32.html

because ofer keeps pertinent national issues
in front and don’t let them get buried discussin
da bible of 3000yr ago

i will repeat this one liner ardee

if it weren’t fer oil, no one wud care bout
an arab or a jew…

or are you just circlin wagons around the
dimocrits and their pardy??

If the essense of your critisizm of me is my
composition, grammer, and spellin….......

a point well takin

Certainly Ardee,  if I relied on TD to understand
issues I would remain the vision you portray.
I am sure that i have studied the Climate collapse
longer than most readers of TD.

Well Ardee , I like one liners,
What issue do you believe that i am ignorant of?
Are they the issues that you disagree with me on?
I agree that I may be wrong about mandates, i really
don’t know and that is why is was asking the question.  Someone related the proposded mandates
to auto ins mandates. Driving is an option, if you
do choose to drive most states require liability ins.
I agree with with ins mandates required there.

So purchasing ins to drive is an option, it is not
mandated unless you drive.

I do agree with you, I could take a little more time
and put a paragragh together better,  most on here
have excellent writing skills if nothing else.

ofersince72, February 26 at 5:40 pm #

Hey Ardee

Why don’t you and your word.smith buddies
go spew some more about intellectual property
rights on the sewer….for a few more months

excuse me for being such a stupid, coward baboon.

I speak only for myself of course, but I ‘spew’ about that which I am passionate, as do you of course. The difference is , or at least one significant difference, I try to use actual syntax, spelling and intellect when doing so.

Further, I do not post multiple one liners, one after the other, monopolizing the thread and saying nothing in the process. I do not know who my “word.smith buddies” might be, or why, for that matter, that period inserts itself there…

As to baboons, I think them a rather brave species in fact, capable of great heroism in fighting off lions and such. Nothing cowardly about them at all. I think you are no coward either, that I can discern, but I do think you rather ignorant of the issues, and seemingly incapable of proper use of language as well.

Don’t know who Don R of Va. is but

this person has never demanded anything from anybody, nor called anyone any names on TD; this is
if don r was refering to ofer72.  but, if it is
refering to me, I don’t believe anything that i have
communitcated inferred me denying anyone the right
to vote in a manner they choose.  I have been very
guilty in hogging post space, apologizes.
I am very aware that what I have posted is not
mainstream TD.  That is also why I understand posters
wanting to put me in a box in which i don’t fit
such as a bigot that is also being inferred upon ofer.  Uncomfortable, yes.
Such as,  hedges, robinson, dionnne and other
contributors dance around problems we all know exist.
Hedges calls for boycott FedEx.
Why doesn’t he call for a boycott of credit cards
for six months, or fold up cell phones except for
earning a living , for six months.
Solutions as these would be just as easy and more
effective,  however, as with most TD digs..nevermind.
I will leave you all alone…it was fun…
if you really want to know it ain’t don r of va,
and not afraid to give name, address, phone#, email
to whoever wants to say what they have to say to my
face.

Don R in Va is a typical American who is willing to deny rights to anyone who doesn’t do as he demands.  I imagine he would gladly deny the vote to anyone who doesn’t vote the way he approves.

Calm down ofersince72, before you stroke out and have to incur huge medical expenses that will have you bankrupt within no time at all in the good ol’ USA.

Hey Ardee

Why don’t you and your word.smith buddies
go spew some more about intellectual property
rights on the sewer….for a few more months

while they are expanding the Patriot Acts
at Capitol Hill

excuse me for being such a stupid, coward baboon.

The insurance/corporate cabal has kited the medical care for Americans to a 2 trillion dollar a year churning of “business”. Half of that is in the profit and expense column of their spreadsheets. The other half is spent keeping the business going by letting some get medical care. They are not going to voluntarily disassemble this cash cow. Now they find that they might have the power through bi-partisan Congressional bullshit to force everybody to buy in…not into medical care, but buy into the insurance racket through this mandate. Truly disturbing. Next they will mandate that the families of soldiers buy insurance for their sons or daughters that are sent to the Empire’s Front Lines to kill the patriots and freedom fighters resisting the confiscation into the “Free Market Place of Commerce and Ideas” of their resources and cultures. It’s a nightmare and it is getting worse. No betterment is allowed. No sharing, no community, no sense of mankind’s true position on this planet is allowed. It might actually be too late…it’s as if aliens have taken over the planet for their own benefit and we humans are fighting the battle against ourselves to insure we lose on every point. Mind control is in the air. Run for your lives and take your guns, ammo and likker!!

Please remember this about my no good purpose Ardee,
I believed education was more important tha bombs

or that discussing middle east peace was more
important than discussing the bible of 3000 years ago

go cast your Democrat Vote Ardee

Usally the way it works ardee

I will get out of all your hair,

go get your progressive change…

This blog is no more than a protection for
Democrat lawmakers.  Go talk about what it means
to be jewish 3000 yrs ago some more, or discuss
intelluctal property a couple more weeks,  I am
sure i disturbed more than a few and you

see ya

ofersince72,

That you are cobnvinced of your (various) positions is obvious. That you monopolize the conversation, and to no good purpose is also obvious, perhaps not to you though.

Evrybody talks about what a controlled media we
have then in the same breathe goes lock and step
with whatever is said on it.  its amazing.!!

They are taking your constitutional rights away from
you right in front of your face and making you
like it.

I watched this for thirty years….its amazing
and five years from now you will have no health
care but the government will still have the mandate
to make you buy anything they want… its amazing

How big of a sledge hammer is it going to take
to wake you up

they sent trillions over to Wall Street of our
money to pass around

they totally destroyed two countries so far in
ten years with the military killing untold numbers
,1000 yr old temples.. children ect.
not to mention about 20billion every month ,at least

letting out schools crumble
the nerve to tell us that bombs are more important
than education,,,,making even more world wide enemies

then going to pass into law a bill that allows our
government to mandate to you what they want you
to buy, today its ins…TOMORROW WHAT???

There are tons and tons of reasons to be upset
with this bill…..they belong behind bars…

This bill needs to be trashed for your sake , my
sake,  our childrens sake.

and the constitutions sake !!!!!!!!!

(whats left of it)
hear me Kucinach with your pocket constitution???/

After this bill is put into law….

Our government is going to have the power to

mandate to you to buy anything they want you to

buy from one of their doner companies….

Whats next.??  A mandate to buy a camera to set
in your house…
Anything…this bill sets that precedent..
where in the fuck are the constitutional lawyers
out here???????????

They have you believing that anyway…
They are playing a game.
the ole good guy , bad guy routine…
You buying it???
The heart of this bill is not universal health care
The heart of this bill locks us into what we have
right now for ever and ever…
it should be trashed…....!!!!!!!!!!!

Besides the mandates will be challenged in court.
How rediculous to pass a bill into law that you
already know its constitutionality is going to be
challenged… and probably lost.
if they can make you buy health insurance…
just what else can they make you buy?? its sets
a terrible precedent that they would loooovvveee.

I don’t know if the populace will ever get any real help, but I guarantee you it is nice that health insurance is actually being discussed in the Obama administration.

If Republicans were in power, there wouldn’t even be a remote possibility that health care would even be discussed, much less passed, because Republicans do not represent the populace, they only represent big monied interests, and deceive the populace through their excellent hyperbole rhetoric.

The revolutionary heart of the current Health Care Reform legislation is the universal mandate.  Most commentators treat it as a mere incidental.  But for the first time in American history HCR if passed in this form, will establish a right to health care for every American.  This is every bit the equal of the rights granted to Americans by the Voting Right Act and maybe greater because it grants this new right to all Americans.  It is a right that the citizens of all other civilized nations enjoyed, but Americans were deprived of.

I heard, on NPR this morning, that the current Democratic proposal for health care reform matches rather closely the GOP alternative to the Clinton attempt. Yet, despite there still being four members of Congress who supported that GOP proposal then none of those four do so now.

It seems quite obvious that the Republican Party, rather than honestly attempting to deal in a bi-partisan fashion, is using the lies they tell about said proposals from the Democrats to quash any and all reform.

While I am of the opinion that the Democratic efforts do little to really fix our sorry health care insurance industry it seems to me that they should simply go ahead and use any means necessary to pass whatever they can now. Reconciliation will enable to them to do exactly that.

Perhaps, once said bill is passed into law we can address added to it and making it better. Its the best we can hope for at this time I think.

So…now we see that the TRUE GOP mentality is “I deserve free, top-notch government-funded health care. You don’t.”  It’s actually quite consistent with their deregulation, and non-compete contracts positions.
Wealth is for the wealthy, and the more they have in fewer and fewer hands, the better it is for all of us!

Why?  Damned if I can figure the logic other than: We think you are too stupid to figure it out!