And what is the tax base of this new Republican / Libertarian paradise? How are they going to pay for their government, their water & power? And what is their job base?

Most of the heavyweight business in Cal are in Los Angeles and San Francisco counties, with their war industries such as Lockheed and Hughes and the software companies & financial giants such as TransAmerica and EON, etc and the shipping ports and the garments and furniture (!) industries of LA. Do those clowns even know that the Mojave Desert starts just north of LA and runs east all the way to the Colorado River? And what does the eastern Mojave give us? Boraxo. What does San Diego have? Several military bases and no railroads and it’s not a shipping port. The central valley is a garden of course, but those farms are all corporate-owned and government subsidized, and use migrant immigrant labor, so I ask again—How are they going to pay for their Libertarian paradise?

So, on balance, sounds like a great idea to me. Hah.

If thine eye offends thee cast it out….

I don’t see Orange and San Diego Counties joining the new state.

But I see this new state extending northward, all the way to the Oregon border, and I see there being East California and West California, with the eastern (“rural” . . . wink, wink) counties joining the new state . . . that makes more sense than North and South California.  The right-wing morons are not exclusively a
phenomenon of the southern part of the state; they are mainly in the eastern part of the state.

Fine with me.  Those of us who live in the far northern part of the state will be so happy to finally have a chance to charge ‘South California’ appropriately for the water and the power that flow from our mountains and our dams. We need the income to buy chard.

Unexpected things can happen when empires collapse.

I live in Kern Kounty. It’s already a Republikan 3rd world country. Don’t come here
without a gun and a flack vest…

Only once has a state been formed from within the territory of another state since the Constitution was enacted.  That was West Virginia, formed from the non-slave owning loyalist part of a state that engaged in treason when it seceded. I believe that Virginia’s acceptance of West Virginia’s creation was a contingency for re-admission back into the union.

From a financial point of view, I expect if all the red states seceded and formed their own nation, the remaining blue states could have a balanced Federal budget in oh, say, 6 months to a year.  The Blues subsidize the Reds despite the assertions of the GOP that they are for “free enterprise” and “individualism”—their reps and sens make DAMN sure they get the lion’s share of federal spending—underwritten by the Blues.

There is a war being played down here. Lawyers vs. the people. The legal ones threaten to bankrupt everyone who challenges them. No sympathy nationally because they have there own problems to attend to. People (like me) who support unions on one hand and promote the absorption of poverty on the other are looking pretty silly, like a dog chasing it’s own tail. I remember an ‘expert’ recently on PBS (from UCSD) explaining it in a very revealing way. First of all any ‘expert’ from UCSD probably isn’t from here and never ventured far from the cushy college campus/beach community (AKA La Jolla) that they preach from but, anyways.

He said that “most economists agree that illegal immigration is negative in the short term and positive in the long term”

Please excuse my ignorance but I am pretty sure that the negative and positive results will always be present unless there is an end to it.

He strikes my as one of the people who benefits from it unlike the rest of us who are having our cost of living increased and incomes decreased whilst being force fed nonsense about workers rights.

California has been a meat market for property/tourist trapping and a lifestyle that never existed (for most people) for a looooooooong time.

Put people into a red box and blue box if it helps you sleep at night.

The sad truth is that BOTH Republican and Democrat Californias are ruled by hypocrite, sell out politicians. “A spokesman for Gov. Jerry Brown had this retort to the proposal: ‘If you want to live in a Republican state with very conservative right-wing laws, then there’s a place called Arizona.’” That is such hypocrisy considering Brown’s economic policies are no different from Republican ones, just ask the students dealing with higher tuition fees, the librarians, teachers and cops losing their jobs.