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Scientists Predict the End of Religion in These 9 Countries

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Researchers have adapted to religion a model used to forecast and explain the deaths of languages, and are predicting that in Australia, Austria, Canada, the Czech Republic, Finland, Ireland, the Netherlands, New Zealand and Switzerland, religion is destined for extinction.

The basic principle is that there are advantages to being part of one social group or another. As nonbelievers expand their ranks in these mostly secular countries, the advantages to joining them also multiply.

The scientists involved in this study concede that their findings are overly simplistic and say they are working to create a more complex formula.  —PZS

BBC:

The team’s mathematical model attempts to account for the interplay between the number of religious respondents and the social motives behind being one.

The result, reported at the American Physical Society meeting in Dallas, US, indicates that religion will all but die out altogether in those countries.

The team took census data stretching back as far as a century from countries in which the census queried religious affiliation: Australia, Austria, Canada, the Czech Republic, Finland, Ireland, the Netherlands, New Zealand and Switzerland.

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By Maani, March 25, 2011 at 12:36 pm Link to this comment

Schmuck (you have to tell me how and why you chose that moniker!  LOL):

Thank you so much for your kind words.  They are truly appreciated.

Re your query about behavior and law, I believe in the strict separation of church and state.  In fact, I am one of only a handful of clergy who have signed the American Athiest’s petition for that.

I have always been mortally (and morally!) against the imposition of ANY belief or set of beliefs on the general populace through legislation.  One of my most common statements is “You cannot [i.e., should not] legislate morality.”  Yes, this country WAS founded on Judeo-Christian principles.  That is an unarguably fact.  But the founders (mostly deists, a few theists, but only a smattering of Christians) knew very well - not least from their own experiences in England - that it was CRITICAL to make sure that religion and politics NOT be mixed: the possibility of either situation - i.e., religion dictating politics, or vice versa - was anathema to everything they stood for.

As an aside, re abortion, most people are unaware that although the majority of Americans are pro-choice, the majority are also anti-abortion.  How can this be?  Because most of those who are anti-abortion do not believe that the “pro-life” position should be LEGISLATED; i.e., they are anti-abortion, but they believe it should be the choice of the woman (without government interference) to make the decision.

In a perfect world, elected officials (and judges, including SCOTUS) would not have their legislative and legal decisions informed by personal feelings and beliefs, or by popularity polls.  They would make their decisions based on a dispassionate review of the issue, and be guided by legal precedent and principle.  Unfortunately, as we all know, this is not how it works in reality; indeed, with the rise of a new, particularly virulent (and arguably ignorant) “religious right,” we are seeing exactly the opposite - perhaps even moreso than ever before.

I hesitate (a little) to say this, but this is why I will vote for Obama in 2012, even though I, too, am very disappointed in much that he has done (and not done): because I fear - seriously - for this country if the GOP/TP take control of both the Congress and the White House.  It may well be that we have only one party in the U.S. - the transnational corporate party - and that both parties are bought and sold by them.  But it would be ridiculous (and historically incorrect) to argue that the “Democrat” side of the corporate party has not been traditionally “better” re “the people” (as a whole) than the “Republican” side of the corporate party.  And with the rise of the TP and an increasingly extremist GOP, this has never been clearer.

Peace.

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By schmuck, March 25, 2011 at 4:08 am Link to this comment
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@ Maani:

Wise words Maani, you’re one of the most matured Christian i’ve ever encountered. Wish all of them would be like u, then there would probably be no need for religion repulsion. Now i met my second matured Christian thx 2 u. Open mind and common sense r the best ways to gather a congreagation or flock people to ur banner. U should really think about running ur own church.

Btw. do u believe that all aspects, rules, patterns of behavior of faith should be applied only on believers of the certain religion and the non-believers(atheists, agnostics) should be left to act according what they believe or more precisely what they DO NOT believe? (Abortion x saving life, euthanasia x dtto)

There is a dichotomy, when u believe u tend to impose ur worldviews on everyone, for example pro-lifers trying to impose laws that would deny the abortion, which would affect non-believers, the same with euthanasia. Do u believe that certain laws that r more or less based on christian morality rather than scientific discoveries and common sense should not be applied on those who form their morale on rational thinking?

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By Maani, March 24, 2011 at 7:37 pm Link to this comment

TDoff:

You can hardly accuse me of underestimating your awareness if you deliberately feign ignorance.  LOL.

Re “situational humility,” not so.  I have an understanding and belief with respect to my faith.  It is informed by both my own personal faith and my understanding of the “religion” (dogma, doctrine, etc.) of my faith.

My undrestanding may ultimately be right, or it may be wrong.  But simply OFFERING that understanding is not “unhumble.”  It would be unhumble if I were “coercing” people to believe me, or judging them if they did not.  If I simply offer it - allowing them to accept or reject it, without any judgment either way - then there is nothing unhumble about it.

Peace.

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By TDoff, March 24, 2011 at 6:33 pm Link to this comment

Maani, I did not ‘unwittingly’ answer my own question. I purposely posed it that way to see if/how you would react. You gain a point for recognizing the dichotomy. You lose a point for underrating my awareness. So you are even.
Good luck with running a church your way, the ‘right’ way. Sounds a bit ‘unhumble’. Are you afflicted with ‘situational humility’?

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By Leon, March 24, 2011 at 6:17 pm Link to this comment
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This is the best news I’ve read in a long time.  I’m so happy to see superstition, i.e. religion, dying away.  I look forward to the day when humanity as a whole liberates itself from religious mythology and institutions.

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By richard roe, March 24, 2011 at 4:17 pm Link to this comment
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Only with the end of religion and the education of mankind about reality will humanity ever truly be free.

Religion is a tool of oppression. Always has been.  Always will be.

Follow your “shepard” baaaaa…

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By eso, March 24, 2011 at 4:05 pm Link to this comment
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If one thinks of God as being unconscious, then it is we who have to reach consciousness.

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By Night-Gaunt, March 24, 2011 at 3:22 pm Link to this comment

The scientists involved in this study concede that their findings are overly simplistic and say they are working to create a more complex formula.  —PZS

Sums it up. We were aware that certain of these countries were losing religion. So was the UK. That is measured in who goes to church and who relies on it in their daily lives. Other than that the idea of it “dying out” in those countries seems contrived language.

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By Maani, March 24, 2011 at 2:16 pm Link to this comment

marriea:

“It doesn’t mean that folks no longer believe in a higher entity, GOD, it’s just that they no longer accept the idea that one religious practice is better than another.”

At the risk of sounding pessimistic, I doubt that is the case.  ALL religions/faiths/belief systems are “exclusive” in one way or another, whether it is with regard to ritual, dogma, doctrine, behavior, etc.

The Jews believe they are the “chosen people” of God.  This will never change.  And to become a Jew if you are not already one is almost unarguably the most difficult conversion to achieve.  And there are many specific rituals and behaviors one must follow to be a Jew.

The Muslims believe that Mohammed had the “final word” from God on how we are supposed to worship Him.  They probably have more “rituals” than any other religion, all of which must be followed to remain a Muslim.  As we all know, they also have one of the strictest sets of religious and political laws of any religion.

The Christians have few or no “required” rituals (even Catholic rituals like the eucharist are not “required” in order to attain salvation).  Rather, their strongest exclusivism lies in their belief that Jesus was the only begotten son of God Himself, and that one cannot attain salvation without “professing Jesus with your lips, and believing in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead.”

Even Hinduism and Buddhism have required rituals and behaviors that are “exclusivist” in nature.  And so does almost every belief system in the world.

So while it is certainly possible for all religions, faiths, belief systems to inhabit the planet together peaceably, none of them are likely to give up their individual exclusivist nature and principles.

Peace.

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By therese, March 24, 2011 at 2:15 pm Link to this comment
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Personally?  I am a recovering catholic.

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By marriea, March 24, 2011 at 11:35 am Link to this comment

As people began to understand the whys,when and hows about religions, I think folks start to think about more about excluding themselves from the actual practice of religion for religion sake.
It doesn’t mean that folks no longer believe in a higher entity, GOD, it’s just that they no longer accept the idea that one religious practice is better than another. I can deal with that philosophy. It sound rational to me.

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By Anarcissie, March 23, 2011 at 10:58 pm Link to this comment

OzarkMichael—On another site, Alternet, I found a reference to the actual article, provided through a URL to, I guess, the BBC.  The ‘science’ was still non-science, but at least those responsible and their place of business were named.

The point of such articles is to attract attention.  Scientists make a dumb speculation, media pick it up and misstate it, knees start jerking, and it’s another day, another dollar.  But it is discouraging to find it on a leftist web site.

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By OzarkMichael, March 23, 2011 at 9:41 pm Link to this comment

Anarcissie said “Unnamed scientists in unnamed fields produce an unreferenced and unquoted article making an improbable prediction with no evidence to support it, and it’s a news item?

Nicely spotted and nicely said, Anarcissie.

These Truthdig article titles are so suggestive and the articles themselves are so empty of substance that it seems we are reading the National Enquirer here.

Now one ought to ask: Why does Truthdig do this?

One ought to wonder if these stupid articles serve some point, some purpose. This time perhaps it is merely to attract internet surfers, which is harmless enough.

More often though, these articles are red meat for the pack of wolves around here, keeping far Left anger and prejudices stirred up.

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By Maani, March 23, 2011 at 8:47 pm Link to this comment

TDoff:

You unwittingly answer your own question.  There is a difference between starting a new religion and leading the congregation of an established one.

I would have no problem leading a church, if one were offered to me (i.e., I was asked to be pastor).  After all, that would be a marvelous opportunity for me to express the Christian faith as I see it, rather than as it is (or can be) portrayed.  It might take time to “win people over” to a “new way of thinking” re faith, but that is to be expected.  And it is not as “radical” as it might seem; many churches (both mainline and, moreso, alternative) have begun looking for pastors who have exactly the kind of thinking - i.e., re “religion” vs. “faith” - that I mention.  Contrary to what you may believe, Christianity is not a monolithic, unmoving, unchanging faith: although the “fundamentalists” may have their heads buried in the doctrinal sand, they represent only a relatively small portion of Christians; many (perhaps most) other Christians can and do recognize when changes can and should be made (though they admittedly can only accept so much at one time).  After all, today’s Catholicism would not be recognizable to Catholics of 500 years ago - or perhaps even 100 years ago.

Yes, there are plenty of sheep in wolf’s clothing leading congregations (particularly in Islam, but also in Christianity), and a great deal of hypocrisy.  But even if it is more rampant than it seems, it is still the exception rather than the rule.

As noted, I confront the “jokers” whenever I meet them, and let them know that they are doing a serious disservice to their faith.

Peace.

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By TDoff, March 23, 2011 at 6:54 pm Link to this comment

Maani, I find it significant that you think it ‘spiritually obvious’ that to consider starting a religion one would have to be ‘almost frighteningly unhumble’. I presume that, in addition to the ones who have started religions, this would also apply to those who think themselves qualified to operate major branches of religions, e.g. churches, mosques, et.al.
Since most, if not all, of these folks then proceed to profess themselves ‘humble servants of ‘god’’ and in awe of their founder, isn’t that itself a steaming pile of pusillanimous hypocrisy?
And why would you associate in any way with an outfit run by jokers such as that?

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By Maani, March 23, 2011 at 6:30 pm Link to this comment

Mike:

Thank you for your measured response.  You are absolutely correct in that supposition.  The old saw is: “Religion is about laws, statutes and behavior; faith is about a relationship with God.”  That is, “religion” is dogma, doctrine, etc.

There is a certainly a place for “religion” within faith, but the latter must come first, and take precedence.  Otherwise, it is “blind faith” and, as many here have pointed, can quickly become (or be tuned into) slavish devotion to dogma and doctrine.

TDoff:

I am not as “rare” as you probably think.  I know many, many like-minded believers (mostly Christians, of course, but also Jews and Muslims) who, as I noted above, certainly have a place for “religion” within their faith, but are not “slavish” to it.

Re starting my own religion, I realize you are being at least partly tongue-in-cheek, and I do appeciate the kind words.  Needless to say, I would not do it for the tax breaks.  LOL.  But perhaps the far more important - and spiritually obvious - reason is that it would be almost frighteningly unhumble to do so.

Instead, I simply preach what I am led to believe is the “truth” (a loaded word, of course) about my faith, and hope that my “example” (such as it is) will turn people to that truth - or at least away from some of the worst predilections of our faith.

Peace.

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By TDoff, March 23, 2011 at 5:35 pm Link to this comment

Maani, Er…perhaps I erred. If you are, in fact, a non-hypocritical believer in ‘god’, thus a non-member of a religion, my apologies. And my awe, because, in my experience, you are the rarest of creatures.
Peace be with you…and have you considered starting your own religion? As an honest believer, you’d be very lonely, but think of the tax deductions…which might offset the threat of being nailed to a cross.

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By Mike, March 23, 2011 at 5:12 pm Link to this comment
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It’s a mistake to equate participating in organized religion with having faith in God and a desire to adhere to the spiritual and humanistic aspects of the major religions. 

I’m sure many people leave organized religion because they feel their religion’s leadership/bureaucracy does not live by example, nor really believe in, the principles associated with faith and spiritual/humanistic values.

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By Maani, March 23, 2011 at 5:05 pm Link to this comment

TDoff:

Uh…when have you heard me “defend the false, self-appointed, hypocritical ‘representatives’ of ‘god’ who form and profit from their ‘religions’?”

I have railed against the hypocrites, etc. as loudly here on TD (and elsewhere) as any atheist.  I have pointed out that a majority of Christians wouldn’t know Jesus if He bit them on the ear.  And as for heaven or hell, I have noted that Jesus’ ministry was not mainly about “pie in the sky” (i.e., salvation), but about how we interact with each other HERE, as human beings.

I would now add one of the most famous quotes in all of anti-hypocrisy Christianity.  Spoken by Richard Wurmbrand, a Protestant minister, it was considered highly controversial in Christian circles - but only because it was, of course, correct: “The biggest problem with Christianity is Christians, who confess Jesus with their lips and then go out and deny Him by their lifestyles.  This is what an unbelieving world finds simply unbelievable.”

By “lifestyles,” he was not talking about gay, straight, etc.  He was talking about the hypocrisy of claiming the “mantle” of Christianity,” while ACTING (and speaking) in hypocritical ways.

You will get no argument from me that there is an awful lot of hypocrisy in Christianity (and religion in general).  But painting with the broadest brush is almost always wrong.  As is throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

Peace.

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By NZDoug, March 23, 2011 at 4:51 pm Link to this comment

Hey TDof,
If you believe in re-incarnation, be nice to animals or you could you could come
back as a big mac, a Palestinian.
If your god is a Chjristian god, the West is going to hell.

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By samosamo, March 23, 2011 at 4:27 pm Link to this comment

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Maybe that these 9 countries will shuck organized religions. It
would be great to see people open their minds by doing so.
But to totally get rid of them would be overly optimistic.

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By Night-Gaunt, March 23, 2011 at 4:01 pm Link to this comment

Though a passel of Dominionist Families have been sent to New Zealand to lay the land for a growth of that particular form of Christian militarism. Hope it fails.

Hinduism isn’t secular at all if you just looked up all those gods, demons etc. And a minority of them are fascist militants who want to remove all other religions from their shores. Sound familiar? The Dominionists are their counter parts here.

Even if religion fades in those countries they will be out numbered by those who are militant like the USA, who will be pushing their version of religion on everyone else.

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By SarcastiCanuck, March 23, 2011 at 3:54 pm Link to this comment
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Maani,yes a lot of Christian groups have done wonderful things and my hat is off to them.Obviously fantastic people,however;there are lots of wonderful secular humanists too that are going to do great things in the future.The only difference will be that they do it in the name of mankind and not God.Also,not going to church and not beleiving in God are two different things…Peace

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By TDoff, March 23, 2011 at 3:41 pm Link to this comment

Maani, one thing is for sure, when you die you’re going to either heaven or hell, ‘cause you BELIEVE. If you are right, and there is a ‘god’, you have a chance of spending eternity floating on a golden cloud.
Unless your ‘god’ is piqued that you did not use the sense of reason ‘he’ gave you, and spent/wasted all your life defending the false, self-appointed, hypocritical ‘representatives’ of ‘god’ who form and profit from their ‘religions’.
In which case you will spend at least part of your eternity hopping from hot coal to hot coal, with a pitchfork jammed up your a**, until you come to your senses. Sure, all humans make mistakes, but the ones who piously, hypocritically claim to be doing the ‘work of ‘god’, while acting like devils, are totally despicable.
I have ‘faith’, too, and I believe that any conceivable ‘god’ would send directly to hell all the religious hierarchy, from the Pope on down, that permitted it’s ‘priests’ to rape children, and protected them from the consequences, and hid those truths from the members of their ‘religion’.
No matter how many bowls of gruel they set out for the poor on Easter Sunday, by ‘donating’ less than one percent of the tithings they extorted from them the rest of the year.

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By TDoff, March 23, 2011 at 3:14 pm Link to this comment

kerryrose, that’s why I said ‘OVER-overrun’.

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By NZDoug, March 23, 2011 at 3:03 pm Link to this comment

Im with Sarcasticanuck, and I worry about the demise of the Easter bunny.

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By alturn, March 23, 2011 at 2:47 pm Link to this comment

Many of these countries are also where acceptance of the information regarding the reappearance of the Christ are most thoughtfully accepted.  As to the head of the Spiritual Hierarchy of Masters, the World Teacher Maitreya, he makes a distinction with what plagues religion - fundamentalism - and the existence of God.


“Fundamentalism and dogmatism are coming to an end. That time is quickly passing. “I have come to teach you not to cry out for me. The gurus and religious fanatics cry out for me and the end result is that they never know me,” said the Master.“You are not born in sin, as they insist on telling you. For I am with you and you are with me.”
“The nearest and dearest to me are the people who do my work without reward. But so is the thief.
Why? Because he does his work without knowing what will be its outcome. He has to fulfill his basic needs and so acts in the only way that he can. He does not set out to do anyone harm. He does not cry out for me.
“The furthest from me are the saints and gurus who have given up all the duties and responsibilities of life. They have closed their minds to the realities of life, and every day and night search for God, wanting to know Him, to find out where He lives, somewhere in Heaven. Outwardly, they appear sane and peaceful. Inwardly they are in chaos, crying inside in their desperate search for God.””
- World Teacher Maitreya through an associate as reported in Share International

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By kerryrose, March 23, 2011 at 2:45 pm Link to this comment

TDoff

The US is home to Evangelical/Fundamentalist crackpots already.

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By Maani, March 23, 2011 at 2:44 pm Link to this comment

SarcastiCanuck:

“Since I consider religion the great divider of mankind…”

Hmmm…  I suppose there are SOME ways in which this comment might be justifiable, if you are talking about Crusades, etc.  However, have you considered the ways in which religion has done exactly the opposite?

For example, every major social movement in the U.S. was either inititated or co-led by Christians, including abolition, child labor, women’s suffrage, and civil rights.  And Christians (first Catholics, and then both Catholics and Protestants) built more colleges, universities, orphanages, hospitals, and community centers in the U.S. than any other group - including the U.S. government.

As well, all three major international aid organizations - Red Cross, Salvation Army, Medecin sans Frontieres - were founded by Christians (though MSF’s offshoot, Doctors Without Borders, is secular).

I would also point out that the “Golden Age of Islam” gave us many advances in agriculture, economics, law, philosophy, science, and the arts - many of which we still use, though we have forgotten their origins.

Yes, religion can be a divisive force.  But it can also be a uniting force, and a force for good - for all.

Peace.

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By TDoff, March 23, 2011 at 2:28 pm Link to this comment

If the algorithm for this prediction is correct, this means the US is doomed! For as all the religious folks in these awakening nations find themselves shunned, unwelcome in their homelands, they and their pompous, pious, hypocritically pusillanimous religious ‘leaders’, those self-appointed agents of ‘god’, will flee to someplace that will accept them. Or will allow them to sneak across it’s borders.
So the US will be over-overrun with CrazyChristian EvangelicalFundamentalist BornAgainBoobs, and the equivalents for the other whacko ‘religions’. Might as well start abandoning ship now, US citizens, ‘cause when the Catholics of the world seek the US as their final retreat, the rational amongst us will have to put our children, male and female, in chastity devices until they reach the age of consent. Which is not a good way to bring up the future leaders of a once-proud nation.

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By Egomet Bonmot, March 23, 2011 at 1:34 pm Link to this comment

Anarcissie and Maani—

Unnamed scientists in unknown fields, unreferenced, unquoted and unevidenced?

Richard Wiener of the Research Corporation for Scientific Advancement, in association with the University of Arizona, presenting before the American Physical Society in Dallas.

It was all right there in the article.  Did y’all follow the link?

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By SarcastiCanuck, March 23, 2011 at 1:24 pm Link to this comment
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Since I consider religion the great divider of mankind,this can only be good news.I guess we’ll just have to use other excuses to kill each other off.I’m sure that ethnicity,hunger,greed,political ideology,sociopathy etc. will keep gunmakers very busy in the future.
  Does this mean that Christmas holidays are cancelled?

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By schmuck, March 23, 2011 at 11:57 am Link to this comment
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I hope it will happen. Than the first countries could be free of shackles of dogmatic thinking. A religion as the most basic type of metaphysical thinking is being denounced by more complex form of latter. A good sign.

Next objective - a widespread common sense.

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By Maani, March 23, 2011 at 11:45 am Link to this comment

Anarcissie:

“Unnamed scientists in unnamed fields produce an unreferenced and unquoted article making an improbable prediction with no evidence to support it, and it’s a news item?”

LOL!  Brava!

Over 30 years ago, Time Magazine had its famous cover article, “Is God Dead?,” suggesting that religion was on the wane.  Yet in the 30 years since, religion has GROWN - despite further polls, articles, predictions, etc.  Yes, more people may be “moving around” more, even falling away from mainline churches.  But that is not making them any less “believers.”

As I said, every time this sort of prediction is made or suggested, those making it are ultimately forced to eat crow.  Given how many times this has occurred, I’m beginning to fear the extinction of crows.  LOL.

Peace.

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By DavidByron, March 23, 2011 at 11:18 am Link to this comment

Well the prediction is one everyone knew already was true so you kind of went off the rails there.

Anarcissie,:
“Unnamed scientists in unnamed fields produce an unreferenced and unquoted article making an improbable prediction with no evidence to support it, and it’s a news item?”

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By Egomet Bonmot, March 23, 2011 at 11:12 am Link to this comment

The printing press gave us the Reformation, as it inevitably had to, and the Internet will
put an end to widespread monotheism, as it inevitably has to.

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By Anarcissie, March 23, 2011 at 11:08 am Link to this comment

Unnamed scientists in unnamed fields produce an unreferenced and unquoted article making an improbable prediction with no evidence to support it, and it’s a news item?

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By Jim Yell, March 23, 2011 at 10:02 am Link to this comment
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I wouldn’t be sorry to see religion go. This is mostly because of the offence the believers give to the rest of the population from their arrogance that because they believe they have the ultimate truth, they have the right to inflict it on those who have no interest in the nasty business.

I would imagine that as long as it remains legal to be a non believer that the population will remain a mix of people hostile to religion, people who dumbly follow this devine and that devine and people who try the best they can to stay out of the entire argument. Personally I support the nay sayers.

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By sallysense, March 23, 2011 at 9:47 am Link to this comment

(render unto god the truth…
and unto man the illusion…
lest some first hand might get tied…
by second-hand conclusions!)... smile

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By Fred LaMotte, March 23, 2011 at 8:47 am Link to this comment

Since science died during the Bush administration, this rediculous prophecy is meaningless.

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By Morri Creech, March 23, 2011 at 8:32 am Link to this comment
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The modern world’s loss of religion saddens me almost as much as the idiotic ways that religious feeling has been expressed over the millenia. While there is no doubt religious malpractice has contributed to mankind’s cruelty to his fellow man, the impulse toward religious feeling is nevertheless an expression of man’s belief in the sacred, in justice and mercy; and it is also, along with the arts, a vital escape from the brute domination of reason, an even more terrifying and dangerous faith because it neither values the sacred nor encourages ethics and morality. I am a great deal more ambivalent about this phenomenon than my fellow posters here, despite agreeing with them that religious feeling is often used to justify collosal stupidities of every kind.

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By Craig, March 23, 2011 at 7:22 am Link to this comment
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This is a stark underestimation of the human silly
gene. It’s like someone in ancient Rome saying, “One
day everyone will realize there’s no Zeus.”
My guess is the end of Judeo-Islamo-Christian religions
will just make more room for Hubbard or some new
Internet-based Matrix mumbo-jumbo.

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By kerryrose, March 23, 2011 at 5:31 am Link to this comment

What great news!

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By Mateo, March 23, 2011 at 1:12 am Link to this comment
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I needs to find me a job in Canada or Australia!

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By mrfreeze, March 23, 2011 at 12:12 am Link to this comment

Actually, this is the BEST news I’ve heard in decades. Would that this phenomena blossom in at least 75-100 more countries.

After having grown up in TX (idiotic S. Baptists and insane Bible-thumpers) and in UT (15 long fucking years with those narcissistic creeps), it’s inspiring that there are actually places in the world that off-set the utter stupidity of my former homes.

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By Maani, March 22, 2011 at 10:53 pm Link to this comment

TDoff:

“Today the Pope predicted that science became extinct in the Vatican when Galileo died.”

Nope.  In actuality, the last two Popes probably did more to bring science into the church than the twenty Popes before them.  This include astrophysics, biology, and genetics.  The Pope has been vocal about climate change, based on SCIENCE, not faith.  There is more, but that should suffice to gainsay your tongue-in-cheek claim.

Rollzone:

“Hello. remember to include scientists in your prayers.”

I do.  And so do many of them.  And so did Newton, Copernicus, Galileo, Faraday, Leewenhoek, Pasteur, Curie, and many others - believers all.

Blackspeare:

“Pope Leo X said it best, ‘This myth of Christ has served us well.’”

Actually, the attribution to Leo X has long been debunked, as has the context in which this statement was made.  It was first found in an anti-Catholic work called “Acta Romanorum Pontificum” by John Bale, a Protestant.  Taken in context, Bale noted that Leo X had made this comment SARCASTICALLY to a cardinal who was being contemptuous of certain Scripture.  It was not meant literally.

Peace.

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By Tesla, March 22, 2011 at 10:05 pm Link to this comment

I pray that this article is correct!

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By Blackspeare, March 22, 2011 at 9:57 pm Link to this comment

Pope Leo X said it best, “This myth of Christ has served us well.”

The ancient Hebrews who practiced Kabbalah said it best, “In the beginning God was created.”

Since Islam is a compilation of Hebrew and Christian religion, then it too is just as flawed.

The other major religions of Hinduism, Buddism, Shinto, etc are, empirically, secular religions.

It will take another 1000 years for the world to shed it superstitious philosophy.

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By rollzone, March 22, 2011 at 9:44 pm Link to this comment

hello. remember to include scientists in your prayers.

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By Brent Mosher, March 22, 2011 at 9:42 pm Link to this comment
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Finally, some good news.

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By TDoff, March 22, 2011 at 9:42 pm Link to this comment

Today the Pope predicted that science became extinct in the Vatican when Galileo died.

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By Maani, March 22, 2011 at 9:34 pm Link to this comment

When I first saw this headline, I honestly thought it was one of Borowitz’s humor articles.  That it is not is truly bizarre.

All I can say is, every time someone, some group, some pundit, some media source, etc. claims that “God is dead” or “religion is dying” or similar suggestion, they end up eating crow eventually.

Of course, time will tell…

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By ProgressiveMuckraker, March 22, 2011 at 7:49 pm Link to this comment
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And… how often do those countries go into wars, or have internal conflicts like the more religious countries???

Exactly….

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