It is not the fault of voters who believed Obama campaign platform and voted for him on the strength of his promises and “hope and change” idealisms. Objective people understand that this is way beyond just circumstances beyond his control and political pressure, Obama never had any intention of fighting for a public option for the health care reform, or push for a reinstallment of the Glass Steagall Act for financial reform, or allowing the Bush tax cuts for the rich to expire, or investigate the fraudulent and criminal activity of financial institutions. Obama is the Trojan Horse who enabled the Republicans to push through all their neo-con wet dream agendas, and this debt ceiling scam is just another manufactured crisis to cut into Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. Now there’s something Obama can brag about in his Presidential Library, that it took an African-American Democratic president to end the New Deal and Great Society programs. Now there’s a legacy to be proud of. I wonder how welcome he will be in Democratic circles after his presidency is over. My guess is that he will be a social piriah.

If there is no solution to the debt crisis, and the government defaults, there will most
likely be a military take over of the country.

This will be almost unavoidable, because our dysfunctional government, will have even
more difficulty functioning under the circumstances of default.

That our government is unable to function would be apparent to the whole world, and
would have disastrous strategic implications.

Therefore, it would be unlikely that a normal election year cycle would continue. Martial
law would prevail. Our nation would then be run by those forced into the military,
because they couldn’t get into college.

The destruction of our government as engineered by the conservatives would be
complete, we would become citizens living under a military dictatorship, without
recourse, without rights.

The Democratic Party is so wedded to the corporate/security state/9/11 Big Lie
world that voting that ticket is a recipe for further disappointment, if not outright
disaster.

The system is completely corrupt. I won’t participate in the next presidential
election except to write in a protest vote.

I will work at the state level, however, because the states can lead the way on
health care, medical marijuana, clean energy, and the economy. I live in Oregon,
where that is already happening.

Some of us are working on this.

Join us

New Progressive Alliance

Serious problem is that so far no-one has stepped forward

Dennis Kucinich who is being gerrymandered out of his seat (and took that big airplane ride for corporate healthcare) will not.

Bernie Sanders will not

Russ Feingold who has nothing to do right now will not.

Cynthia McKinney will run for her Congress seat in Georgia (as an Independent not as a Dem) so she will not.

Ralph Nader has already said he will not. After the way he was treated and virtually no-one protested it, can you blame him?

The only ones so far to “step up” is a kind of nerdy unknown guy, Kent Mesplay with the Green Party and Stuart Alexander with the Socialist Party.

I will support and work with the Socialist Party guy. It is the only real option that I have right now.

This is all our own damned fault. We created the evil of two lessers by being willing to support it.

Sigh. Prove me wrong someone. Please

As an aside I have announced a run for US Senate 2012 in Minnesota against a blue dog Democrat.

In the Dem primary, I plan to write in Bernie’s name.  For the presidential election, however, I will be forced to vote for whoever is the party choice—if only to keep a Rethug out of office.

Nothing has changed.  We’re still voting for the lesser of two evils, and I’m sick of it.  Time for some social unrest, among other things.

Actually, there is a profound logic to this. The democrats have become so
conservative and timid, the republicans have to move even further to the right,
just to differentiate themselves. So maybe if the dems actually moved back to the
left, there would be room in the middle for some rational, *real* republicans.

A “progressive” Democrat challenging Obama?

Now there’s an excellent way to MoveOn to get the same result… again.

The “progressives” are the liberals who vote for Democrats so they can keep protesting against what they keep voting for.

The Devolution of Liberalism:

http://chenangogreens.org/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=496&Itemid=1

Run Dennis Run! Bring forward the DEED act, sign on to the Green Party platform,
or at least align with it, and RUN!

So, Sanders is recommending that support should be given to a Democrat who can sound like Obama did when he was running for office.

I’ve heard people say that one is morally obliged not to vote for persons who order or support aggressive, unprovoked wars, that is, murder.  Some trial they had at Nuremberg after World War 2.

But in any case, it does look like Mr. O means to put us all on cat food.

There has to be a point where you won’t back up any more, regardless of the consequences.  If Democrats haven’t reached that point, they’re going to get backed up some more, right into cat food country.

I’ve heard people say that one is morally obliged not to vote for persons who order or support aggressive, unprovoked wars, that is, murder.  Some trial they had at Nuremberg after World War 2.

But in any case, it does look like Mr. O means to put us all on cat food.  Seriously.

There has to be a point where you won’t back up any more, regardless of the consequences.  If Democrats haven’t reached that point, they’re going to get backed up some more, right into cat food country.

It sure would show the Democratic Party is something besides a pack of go-along get-along wimps, like Obama, if a serious liberal would challenge Obama.

But, isn’t “serious liberal” (excepting Bernie Sanders) an oxymoron?

“That won’t happen. Sanders is not a Democrat”

I got news for you, that is a positive!

To Obama’s detractors:

Congratulations.  I respect your principles.
  But…............

Despite Sen. Sanders’ correct and well-stated ideas, voting for the Repug next year just means 4 years even worse than W’s.

The Tea Party assisted by a Tea Party Pres and a Tea Party Senate will cut the US economy to ribbons. We will be lucky to have tea to drink and cat food for dinner.  Millions of Soc Sec recipients will either spend entire checks on Ryan’s 6K premiums or go without Medicare entirely.  Grandma and Grandpa must take advantage of all those reverse mortgages on TV - their kids will get no inheritance, the bankers win again. And kids will be happy - there will be few schools left open and fewer teachers. 

History books will declare it the “Tea Era”.

Cynthia McKinney.

Primary problem, IMO:  Along with the disillusionment due to Obama’s failure to follow through on principles, came a disillusionment with the electional process itself.  It’s as if we have to go clear back to square one and start over to rebuild democratic processes—and that in the face of an overpowering, fear-ridden Surveillance State.
  Time for a lot of statesmen—and women—maybe mostly women, plus all the young people we can possibly engage in the process.  (How I wish I were 50 years old again!)

Primary primary issue, IMO:  Along with disillusionment because of Obama’s lack of leadership came disillusionment with the entire election process in general. It’s as if we have to
go clear back to Square One and start to rebuild basic faith in democratic methods—and that, in spite of the slow rot of fear and suspicion engendered by the over-militarized Surveillance State.
  Time for real statesmen and women—especially women, I daresay—and all the young people we can recruit.

I, who supported and was deceived by Obama, will not vote for him or anyone from the “duopoly” again. If a republican wins I feel strongly that violent civil unrest will ensue initiated not by peaceful protesters but by the fascist response of the government to the exercise of the peoples’ civil rights. If Obama gets re-elected the same will occur, only not as fast since his glibbness and facility with doublespeak will keep the last of the liberal dupes on the sidelines indulging in false hope. The only way that a third party can in anyway succeed is to take unchallengable control of the legislative branches of government thereby neutralizing the imperial executive and enabling a systematic dismanteling of the current reactionary and fascist leaning SCOTUS!

We don’t have time to deal with another four years of Obama (supreme court nominations or not). Enough said.

You can’t primary Obama, you can only vote for a third party candidate in the general election (as I plan to do), but anyone who tries has my respect.