Since Gadhafy was the only, genuine, Arab hold-out against U.S.Military
colonialism, the U.S. string-pullers had their puppet, N.A.T.O. remove him.  And
now, Russian leadership coalesces, removing any sort of world balance - ?

All “nations” that assisted in the wipe-out of Gadhafy and the Libyan military have
violated international law. They have also identified themselves with the WWII NAZI
entourage, which attempted to overthrow the U.S. Government in 1934, and establish
an extension of the NAZI empire in the U.S.A. Which has been slowly accomplished
since WWII via the NAZI element of the CIA & the GHWBushSr entourage. 
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread426623/pg1

The Congress of the United States established that the Bush family illegally funded
the NAZI movement during WWII.  Since the “appearance” by George H.W. Bush Sr., in
Texas in the 1950s, he has headed the U.S. family Bush.  He was the secretive CEO
of the CIA from before the murder of JFKSr, until F.B.I. documents removed the veil
of secrecy in the early 1980s.  The friendly “cover front” of GHWBushSr is unveiled
by the publications of John Stockwell, former CIA Station Manager in the 1970s. 
Similarly, the Chronicles of Chip Tatum reveal the secretive activities of
GHWBushSr during the 1970s and later.  That Jeb Bush, Governor of Florida, son of
GHWBushSr, violated the U.S.Constitution by vote theft and computer manipulation of
voting machines in the U.S. Presidential election of 2004, in order to convey the
Florida vote to his brother George, requires judicial attention. 
http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=8252175042329977626#

The events of 9-11, especially the firing of a Cruise Missile into the Pentagon,
under the guise of an airliner crash, reveals the naïvete´ of Americans and the
western world.  Anyone who has seen the results of an airliner crash, knows the
appearance of the aftermath.  Absent TONS of aluminium, blood and guts spattered on
the outer wall of the Pentagon, with similar rubble covering the grounds, and fire
from the fuel, the initial TV coverage proved that NO AIRLINER crashed into the
Pentagon on 11Sep2001.  Neither scientific committee nor airline pilot organization
is required to unveil this preposterous lie.  The belief systems of Americans and
the western world have been impregnated with the NAZI-Zionist (perhaps vice-versa)
belief system which teaches: “believe what we say, not what you see.”  Americans
are slowly recognizing the lies, fraud and deceit that the leadership of the USGOV
has trained them to accept without question.  Finally. . .

PatrickHenry

Your mention of bad things by all and of Gitmo and its detainees brought to mind the Senate Hearing I watched several years ago.

The investigation of the Gitmo detainees there at the time was done using the U S Records about the detainees.

Heading up the investigation was a Professor Mark Denbeaux of Seton Hall University.

He gave his report live to the Senate, which I watched on C-Span and after the hearing I went to the Senate Report and copied it.

Google Gitmo Mark Denbeaux Senate Report and see what you think of our failure to hold open court trials of those at Gitmo at the time.

One hint:  You could probably count on your fingers the number of detainees that could be convicted of anything in a fair and impartial trial in an open Courtroom, yet so many who have done nothing have lingered there for years.  I seem to recall that the report showed that 93% of every one through there was sold to the U S Army for the bounty offered to anyone who brought in a combatant.  I think that at the time just one detainee had been caught on a battlefield.

I think the detainees are denied open court trials because our Government doesn’t want to be embarrassed for what they have done.

Thanks for the explanation PatrickHenry.  And please accept my apology.

If you would like to read a report on the evidence presented at the trial of Abdelbaset al-Megtahi I can give you a link.  Some more from Wikipedia:

“Bollier testified at the trial that the Scottish police had originally shown him a fragment of a brown 8-ply circuit board, of a prototype timer which had never been supplied to Libya. Yet the sample he was asked to identify at the trial was a green 9-ply circuit board that Mebo had indeed supplied to Libya. Bollier wanted to pursue this discrepancy, but was told by trial Judge, Lord Sutherland, that he could not do so.[24]

On July 18, 2007 Mebo’s electronics engineer, Ulrich Lumpert, admitted he had given false evidence about the timer at the trial.[25] In a sworn affidavit before a Zurich notary, Lumpert stated that he had stolen a prototype MST-13 timer PC-board from Mebo and gave it without permission on June 22, 1989, to “an official person investigating the Lockerbie case”.

You might remember Ulrich’s original trial testimony that I reported in the earlier comment.

Anyway, Qaddafi has done many horrific things but the reason for invading Libya had nothing to do with anything he had done other than seek to form a United States of Africa.

Now that Egypt has opened up the border to Gaza and the Yemen thing is going badly and the Palestinians are going to petition the U N for statehood this September, the Empire builders only have three months to end this madness before things get very serious.

Every Nation except Israel in the Mid-East is turning against our Government because of Empire building.

We all need to go read Uncle Remus and the Tar Baby.

Cliff Carson, May 27 at 6:59 pm,

A United States of Africa would be a good thing for the people of
Africa.

No Cliff, I was just funning ITW, who believes most printed stories.  Basing guilt on media editorial is not the same as trial by jury.

The Lockerbie bombing smelled like a false flag, and absent any real proof, saying Gadaffi ‘did it” is upproven.  I’m sure he is guilty of far worse but so are many of our own.

With OBL and many of the gitmo detainees being made out as guilty without trial is a disturbing trend as trial by press is not our rule of law. 

Lock anyone up and waterboard them for years and you will have confessions.

PatricKHenry said:

“Only at Truthdig is fiction spouted as fact and fact, fiction”.

And you didn’t read anything or admit to reading anything that you don’t agree with.  Therefore your truth is what you wish truth was. PH, that is not how truth is discerned.  All lies should be proven on this site.  Was your statement a truthful one ( that only lies are found on truthdig), or is your statement a lie? 

Just think about what you said.  Could you be calling yourself a liar?  Since you posted on here how do you avoid that paradox?

I would like to keep the name Truthdig to mean that this is the site where truth can be found.  If you are not going to strive to be truthful what should your moniker be?

Just go read what I posted on my earlier comment and get back on here and tell everyone on this thread what I lied about.  Now that would be telling the truth and it wouldn’t be fiction.

Only at Truthdig is fiction spouted as fact and fact, fiction.

Kinda like 19 arab with boxcutters did 9/11.  LMAOROF.

Inherit the wind

I have to agree with you with the following exception:

I am not defending Qaddafi, I am seeking to defend truth.  What I said in my comment was fact.  It has nothing to do about whether Qaddafi is good or bad.

What I said about how most African Nations feel about Qaddafi is fact.  Those African people see what he has done for them and they don’t believe that he gave an order for the bombing over Lockerbie.

If you are actually seeking truth you might read about the Lockerbie trial itself.  There is really serious doubt that the evidence presented in that trial wasn’t “manufactured”.  You really need to read the entire thing to come to a conclusion.  I have read much about the trial and I believe that the final outcome will be that the tainted evidence will in the end allow an overturning of the verdict.

Before condemning that position please read what transpired.  Here is an excerpt from one issue about which I have written here:

“A circuit board fragment, allegedly found embedded in a piece of charred material, was identified as part of an electronic timer similar to that found on a Libyan intelligence agent who had been arrested 10 months previously, carrying materials for a Semtex bomb. The timer allegedly was traced through its Swiss manufacturer, Mebo, to the Libyan military, and Mebo employee Ulrich Lumpert identified the fragment at al-Megrahi’s trial. Mebo’s owner, Edwin Bollier, later revealed that in 1991 he had declined an offer from the FBI of $4 million to testify that the timer fragment was part of a Mebo MST-13 timer supplied to Libya.”

The statement that I made to prompt you to issue your post was that Qaddafi had constructed the Great Man Made River and that the Northern African Nations were very appreciative of that deed.  This is a fact.

Some other things you might need to read up on that preceded the Lockerbie bombing and might have influenced the tainting of the evidence would be the Bombing of Tripoli in 1985 by Reagan, the downing of the Iranian Jetliner by the U S Navy in the Persian Gulf, and Qaddafi’s supporting of the Al Nidal organization.

ITW the point is that in this cesspool of intrigue and clandestine propaganda, 1984 is alive, well, and functioning.

Only at TruthDig is a psychopath like Qaddaffi, who ordered a bomb placed on a 747 full of civilians, and then let a flunky go to jail for it, defended as a “great humanitarian”.

Makes me want to barf.

Yes PatrickHenry

One of Qaddafi’s accomplishments was the GMMR ( Great Man Made River) A 400 mile pipeline to send water to the parched areas of North Africa.  That is why he is well liked in Africa.  Libya was also selling water to Italy and France. 

Old Colonial Powers that once exploited Africa are after good things Qaddafi did.  He had already placed $32 Billion in American Banks to begin the formation of the African United State.  This money was confiscated by the U S. 

I don’t think any of us peasants need worry that we might receive some of it.

Evil sometime comes wrapped in the flag of Humanity.

I don’t think the Russians have a choice, Gadaffis pretty much on the ropes but he is still alive, might as well go along with the good ol’ boys world leader clic.

The U.S. and NATO used the UN authorization for a ‘no fly zone’ by turning it into ‘ground attack zone’.  Trying to kill Gadaffi directly is simply illegal.

I think the International corporate party set its eyes on Libya’s recently completed water pipeline and decided to get rid of him. 

Imagine water worth more than oil.

http://www.galenfrysinger.com/man_made_river_libya.htm

JMD

this is exactly like Iraq and Afghanistan, plus Iran, the subjugation of Palestine, The demonetization of Syria, Hamas, Hezbollah, anything that can be used as an excuse to further the control of resources.

As I said below, the Libya thing was to stop the African Nations from forming -  can I say a Democratic Union of African States, with its own currency, Army, and getting away from a dependence on the IMF?

Iraq Reason = Oil
Afghanistan Reason = Lithlium and Oil routing access
Palestine Reason = eradication of the Non-Jews to please Israel Zionists and complete their ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
Syria Reason= to stop it from supporting Hezbollah
Hamas reason=To end the Palestinian people from having a champion ( Hamas ) an organization formed by Israel to compete with Fatah or to put it mildly, a subterfuge that resulted in unintended consequences.
Hezbollah reason= To remove an organization that supports the people of Palestine while they are being murdered by Israel.  Hezbollah was formed in Lebanon to expel the invading Israeli Army back in 1980.

There are two things stirring the Middle East that seems to go unmentioned in Main Stream Media:

1)  The U S lusts after control of the Middle East for its Oil and its location to support Empire.  It also supports the excesses of Israel because of the common effort of building Empire in that Region.

2)  The Zionist Plan has been since 1907 to occupy and cleanse of Non-Jews the Biblical Israel defined as bounded by the Litaini River in Lebanon, The Nile River in Egypt, The Euphrates River in Iraq, and the Empty Quarter in Saudi Arabia.
This is why Israel has no agreed to borders and will not have such until they have annexed and cleansed all the territory defined as the Biblical Israel.

Quadaffi’s departure to a not so safe - safe haven - would clear the air of Quadaffi’s stench, but does anyone believe that Quadaffi’s departure will end the violence? Does anyone believe that quadaffi’s departure, or death, will lead to a mutually agreed upon democracy? Behind the scenes of continued violence will be the Western Powers, the African Union, the Arab League, Religious conflict, Religious extremism, tribal conflicts, power struggles great and small. This is not at all like Iraq and Afghanistan is it?... Is it? Did I hear anyone say Oil, or Geopolitical influence?

Paraphrasing Chomsky,”They destabilize in order to bring stability. [Sic]”

Hopefully I’m wrong in this bleak assessment. Time will tell.

Very Interesting

Since the War was instigated by the Western Powers, that includes the U S, as a favor, or at a command from the IMF, what does this have to say about the power of the IMF?

If you have read much about this part of the World you know that Qaddafi has been pushing for a United States of Africa, with a Union having common currency, a United Army, and an integrated Economy.  He was also asking some Non-African Islamic Nations to join in the Commerce and currency.

This meant a money not depending on the Dollar, the Pound, or control by the IMF.  In other words Qaddafi’s dream was a United Africa Independent from the West especially and the World Financial Monopoly in particular.

So does this mean that Russia is going to profit from dumping Qaddafi?  By profit, I mean get concessions from the U S that we Peons will never know about until we catch Uncle Sam with his hand in our back pocket?

Is there a Moral and Ethical Nation still in operation in this World?