O.K., sure, it is just a coincidence he is drawing this heat while running for POTUS and gaining some traction.  Of course there is no politics involve. And I’m a jackwagon.  When you don’t have a valid position just resort to name calling.

The talk of Pauls sympathies for Stormfront is not new, as you very well know, but your status as jackwagon gives the lie to your insistance that it is such. Of course any history will be rehashed during a presidential run, but that rehashing doesnt automatically call for the dismissal of the photos, the statements of Paul’s top aides or the evidence of campaign contributions, at least one of which was personally handed to Paul by a top Stormfront officer.

You have consistently posted crap here at TD, personal opinion riddled with invective and stupid hatreds. So pot meets kettle and you dont like it…Stuff it.

Ardee

“this is not about Paul’s position on the middle east but his position at the table with American Nazis”

O.K., sure, it is just a coincidence he is drawing this heat while running for POTUS and gaining some traction.  Of course there is no politics involve. And I’m a jackwagon.  When you don’t have a valid position just resort to name calling. 

Please tell me, do you have anything concrete occurring over the last 10 years to conclusively demonstrate Ron Paul is a Neo-Nazi?  Just what policies reflecting your fears is he promoting?

Plain and simple might describe your complete closeminded history of rants here,Glider. I repeat:

Now, Glider, don’t hold back now. Show everyone what a jackwagon you are. I , unlike you I guess, remember the photos of Paul sitting with the Stormfront crew. I remember one of his top aides being a member as well. This is not about Paul’s position on the middle east but his position at the table with American Nazis.

Ardee,

Your definition of holding back is instead to insinuate that Paul is a Neo-Nazi? 

The motivating factor here is that Paul is a threat to the billions/trillions of dollars of direct and indirect military aid to the Israel first crowd who seeks Israeli territorial expansion rather than peace.  It is that plain and simple.

PatrickHenry, December 21 at 5:39 am Link to this comment

ardee,

I have looked over that website and come to the conclusion that it is as biased and zionist as they come.  Just read some of the archived tripe and see who’s who on their list of editors and will know who pushes their buttons.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. Most of the comments are not from “zionist” sources, unless by zionist you mean anyone who disagrees with your own opinion.

glider, December 21 at 10:41 am Link to this comment

Ardee,

Your link reeks of a baseless smear campaign against Paul by Israeli militant types.  It is not a surprise that Paul’s appeal to end American criminal military adventurism in the Middle East would elicit such attacks from the Israel First Crowd.

Now, Glider, don’t hold back now. Show everyone what a jackwagon you are. I , unlike you I guess, remember the photos of Paul sitting with the Stormfront crew. I remember one of his top aides being a member as well. This is not about Paul’s position on the middle east but his position at the table with American Nazis.

Ardee,

Your link reeks of a baseless smear campaign against Paul by Israeli militant types.  It is not a surprise that Paul’s appeal to end American criminal military adventurism in the Middle East would elicit such attacks from the Israel First Crowd.

Read the link yourself.  Imagine the audacity of Ron Paul “not commenting” on an antagonist’s question of whether it is true that he is a Neo-Nazi Scumbag and Holocaust Denier.  I don’t recall Obama clarifying these points for us either even though people were carrying Hitler moustache impressions of him!  Hopefully the public is a little smarter than to fall for such contrived attack schemes.

ardee,

I have looked over that website and come to the conclusion that it is as biased and zionist as they come.  Just read some of the archived tripe and see who’s who on their list of editors and will know who pushes their buttons.

I can see your point though, when I hear of an AIPAC or ADL endorsement for President or see the candidates pandering for their financial support, I think the same thing you think about Ron Paul.

They are racist organizations as well.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/11/the_ron_paul_campaign_and_its.html

For those seeking the truth regarding Ron Paul and his ‘Stormfront’ connections.

Whatever others may think, if you read that article from 1992 it is pretty racist.  I don’t know who wrote it, but Ron Paul endorsed it.  I actually like a lot of Paul’s views on things and still welcome him to the presidential campaign as someone who says something different from the rest and gets people thinking.  That being said, he is not a viable candidate.  The past writing displayed here is enough to sink the campaign, but I bet there are a lot more little blotches out there.

Here are a few nice quotes from that article.

“Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks three days after rioting began.”

Always got to love it when African Americans are referred to as “The Blacks”  Nah, no one will find that racist. 

“I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.”

The city is Washington DC, the author uses some arrest statistic to make a giant leap in assumption.  Seems pretty racist to me.

Its not how racist or not racist Ron Paul is, its whether or not his writings and news letters can be considered racist.  The whole tone of that published piece smacks of racism, and a dislike of “the blacks.”  Ron Paul is toast as a real candidate.

..ok, Ron Paul projected Iowa winner, but remember this is the same Nate Silver who, on Election Day 2010, had Sharon Angle with an 80% chance to beat Harry Reid and pulling away.

(...evidently, someone forgot to poll in Espanol.)

We’ll see, though.
So far this race has featured the Romney Tortoise vs. a field of Republican Hares.

Is it now Paul’s turn to be the rabbit?

I don’t know if Ron Paul is a racist or not; the same article from 1992 from the
Ron Paul journal that Truth Dig has 2 links for doesn’t substantiate it.  I would
accuse the writer, whoever he or she is, as being right wing reactionary before I
would racist with how freely terms like Communists are thrown around for the
LA rioters. Furthermore, it’s framed in a way to where you can only see a limited
amount of the article.

I find it dishonest that Truth Dig would post the same link twice, as if its
readers typically don’t follow their author links and they’re being misled to
conclude that they’re providing more evidence than the same 1992 article.  The
link to the New Republic article of 2008 contains allegations, but the only link
again is to the same 1992 article of the Ron Paul Journal.

This TD article hardly substantiates any racism from Ron Paul.  More than
anything, it substantiates some cheap editorial tricks. 

It looks like some Democrats are more concerned that Ron Paul is going to
siphon more votes from Obama than Romney. They’re really going to have to
try harder at their race card if that’s the case.

I don’t know if Ron Paul is a racist or not; the identical 1992 article from the
Ron Paul journal that Truth Dig has 2 links for doesn’t substantiate it.  I would
accuse the writer, whoever he or she is, as being right wing reactionary before I
would racist with how freely hyperbole like Communists are thrown around for the
LA rioters. Furthermore, it’s framed in a way to where you can only see a limited
amount of the article.

I find it dishonest that Truth Dig would post the same link twice, as if its
readers typically don’t follow their author links and they’re being misled to
conclude that they’re providing more evidence than the same 1992 article.  The
link to the New Republic article of 2008 contains allegations, but the only link
again is to the same 1992 article of the Ron Paul Journal.

This TD article hardly substantiates any racism from Ron Paul.  More than
anything, it substantiates some cheap editorial tricks. 

It looks like some Democrats are concerned that Ron Paul is going to
siphon more votes from Obama than Romney. They’re really going to have to
try harder with their race cards if that’s the case.

@Gregory Ardison-Gardner

God forbid we find a cure for cancer… think of all those people in hospitals, all those doctors and nurses who would lose their jobs!

I see the zionists comming out of the woodwork to oppose a Ron Paul presidency.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2008/010808_yellow_journalism.htm

He thinks gays should be able to get married, he opposes a marriage amendment.

He wants to release non violent drug offenders from prison as he considers the laws racist and he is against federal drug laws.

He voted yes for Martin Luther King day to be a holiday.

Nelson Linder from the NAACP says Paul is not a racist.

Being head of one of the three branches of government is a spoiler for most banking and corporate interests but is not the end of it all for them.  There are legions of paid off shills to replace and vote out of office.

Those racist papers published in this very article show that any hopes for Ron Paul are dashed before they begin.  It doesn’t matter if he wins Iowa, when the first thing people who don’t know much about him learn is racist newsletters, its game over.  There is probably worse stuff lurking out there too, waiting to be revealed.  The corporate media has all the ammunition for a character assassination and you better believe it will happen full force if Ron Paul ever gets close to winning anything.  Hell, this article shows it already is happening.  He’s getting close and the ugly past is starting to be illuminated.

@Gregory

“Ending the war economy is going to require massive amounts of government intervention at all levels to retool it to a peacetime economy”

You make a very good point that I agree with 100%. However, the only way we will have that discussion may be through Ron Paul.  Obama and the other garden variety viable Repugs will only continue and expand the killing for profit machine.  One must recognize evil and act against it.  Otherwise your just a gear in that machine.

One other item for the anti- Ron Paul types to face.

How responsible do you people feel for the millions of innocent people murdered by the American MIC machine?  Are you so greedy about your imagined effects on domestic affairs (and remember that is versus the degradation you will suffer with Obama) that these murders are acceptable collateral damage for you?

Just who is bat shit crazy?

Bat shit crazy or corporate entrenching tool? I’ll try door #3 with green tea party Roseanne.
Throwing away my vote?
Like it really counts. That’s a good knee slapper.

Voting LOTE for decades has evolved the former republic known as the U.S.A. into Wars R U.S.; strangers grope children publicly in airports; raw milk is more dangerous than global financial terrorism; and corporations have constitutional rights. Yeah, that LOTE vote is really working out well, isn’t it?

It is refreshing to see Ron Paul doing well despite the alignment of the MSM against him.  If he does well enough I will desert the Greens and register Repuglican for the primaries.  I agree that he sucks on domestic policy but I think the actual outcome of a Ron Paul presidency would be constructive and a once in a lifetime opportunity.  My take is that he would have the power to largely shut down the MIC imperial machine, starting with Afghanistan, and with Iraq (which is far from over) and the whole fucking bullshit endless “war on terror”.  The President in theory can have a huge effect on these matters but much less effect on the domestic affairs.  So this is a huge reason for “progressives” to bite the bullet and vote for Paul!  I will also agree with others here that should Paul win he will be assassinated in short order.  Should that transpire it will at least help reveal just who controls the U.S. government. 

Secondly, since the government has ceased to serve the people and is increasingly directing tax monies away from social services and towards the war machine, homeland “security”, the “war on drugs”, and other fascist machinations, perhaps it is time to think like the teabaggers and consider the idea that smaller government is better.  While Paul is horrible with regard to social services and education, he could be an effective warrior against the criminal Federal Reserve and Banksters.  Had Paul been President at the time I highly doubt we would of seen the bailouts and the 26 trillion dollar taxpayer Fed ripoff.  He is at least not a friend of the Crony Capitalism we get now from Republican/Democrat fucks in office.

“Privatization of social security, ending the remaining regulatory powers of
government, abolishing the social safety nets we so desperately need are now
considered refreshing to real progressives.”

Social security is already being systematically taken down through the
enactment of bipartisan payroll tax cuts that eliminate SS taxes.  The Deficit
Commission, AKA the Cat Food Commission, was hand picked with the majority
of its members pro-privatization.

I was not aware of any strengthening of the regulatory powers of the
government within the last four years, particularly in the financial sector with
the largest institutions that need it the most.  Perhaps I’ve missed something.

It’s too bad American politics has become so personality oriented and
stereotypical, to the point of little to no meaningful dialogue.  It’s like there’s no
debating the issues, just the taking of ideological sides—in this case Ron Paul
is evil or the greater evil who will attack the economy and social services, as if
that isn’t already being done in a blatant manner.

The spectre of single issue voters raises its ugly head in the support for a candidate, Paul, whose many political ideals I find reprehensible. Anti war via isolationism appeals to so-called progressive voters? Privatisation of social security, ending the remaining regulatory powers of government, abolishing the social safety nets we so desperately need are now considered refreshing to real progressives.

Cultists not withstanding, Paul is batshit crazy as was his hero, Ayn Rand.

“It remains unclear whether the Tea Party movement has a leader – or if it wants one, according to a new CBS News/ New York Times poll. But when asked specifically about a few notable figures, Tea Partiers named Fox News personality Glenn Beck and former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as favorites.

Fifty-seven percent of Tea Partiers also think well of former Republican President George W. Bush.

The poll showed that GOP Rep. Ron Paul of Texas is not as well-known, even though Paul could be credited for starting the Tea Party trend. Only 28 percent of Tea Partiers said they have a favorable view of him, while 56 percent said they hadn’t heard enough about him.”

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/11/04/a-tea-tray-in-the-sky/

Ron Paul may win Iowa? Who gives a shit what the machine polititians from a podunk state do in a phoney “caucaus” every 4 years?

Let me know who wins NY, texas, california, and florida.

As for everyone circle-jerking their Ron Paul bobble heads, we have been living in a libretarian economy for nearly 30 years now. How’s that working out for the majority?

Anyone with half a brain (ron paul) is against our policy of neverending war. But his policy of handing the nations fate over to big business oligharchs, well that’s Fascism folks, and its also treason against the majority of the people.

You know why many americans feel powerless to change their nation and or just don’t care any more? Because when you cut taxes and eliminate reasonable and responsible government regulation you take ownership of government away from the masses and hand it over to the wealthy. And what do you think the wealthy will do with our military? They will do exactly what they have done for the last 30 years, fight wars to help further enrich and protect the already wealthy.

Ron Paul would be Ronny Ray-guns, sans the personality.

If Paul were to be elected, and if he truly attempted to put an end to the MIC, he would be felled by an assassin’s bullet faster than Obama rolls over for K Street. C’mon folks, you really think they’d let him get away with closing military bases and ending aid to Israel?

A Ron Paul martyrdom might have interesting conseqences for our corporate junta, however…

Ron Paul is a lightning rod for both Democrats and Republicans.  Unlike
GIngrich, Cain, and the flash-in-the-pans before him, I think he’s in for the
long run. That’s because he’s presenting choice, something which can scarcely
be found in our one party system disguised as two. 

People are fed up across the political spectrum with the economy and the
perpetual warfare we were promised in 2001. It can hardly be denied how the
two are intertwined with defense demands feeding opportunistically off our
economy. 

Ron Paul is gaining popularity not despite his anti-war or non-interventionist
stance, but because of it.  He’s appealing to a collective need that’s survival
based and cuts through political identity and labeling.  More power to him. 

Having communicated that, I’ll also maintain that I find his pro-life positions
threatening to women and I feel little to no resonance with his economic
policies. But he’s an alternative, and the times are so in need of them.

Since the primaries, Paul’s surges have been ignored.  I believe as they become
increasingly hard to ignore, the Democratic pundits and strategists will be the
most eviscerating.  Not so much from dueling partisanship, but from concern
that he is too much of a reminder of how much representative Democrats have
acquiesced to the foreign policy doctrines of the preceding Republican
administration.  Not to mention their shielding of financial crimes that have
impacted the lives of countless millions. 

So far Paul is the only one speaking out consistently on the non-sustainability
of our out-of-control military, the profound absence of accountability with the
largest banking institutions, and our increasingly dangerous loss of civil
liberties.  His voice is needed so it prevails despite the media and punditry
attempts to silence it through the extremes of either ignoring or attacking. 

I wish him well, though I can’t see myself voting for him. I figure my posting
has angered Democratic apologists and hawks alike.  It’s funny how they
overlap these days.

This isn’t a real surprise as Paul has been the busiest at actually building an organization in Iowa and the traditional route of retail politics in a state where the path to a good showing in the caucus has always been apparent.  The other participants in the dog and pony show have depended on the reality TV series of
debates and appearances on Faux News.  But then a majority of the “candidates” have merely been on extended book tours, following the Sarah Pallin model of using conservative politics to enrich yourself.

Paul will be excoriated by “mainstream” conservative media and punditry and he will be treated as a greater threat than terrorism as he is not a true member of their club.  His win in Iowa will not really be that meaningful as a complete look at what he stands for in his entirety will begin to alienate his ala carte supporters.

Chris Wallace should be demoted to weatherman.

http://dailybail.com/home/if-ron-paul-wins-iowa-it-doesnt-count-fox-news.html

Paul advocates the reduction of an evergrowing government and military and the withdrawal of those US assets intervening on behalf or US corporations.

The Ron Paul cultists cheer, but he’s not much better than the other candidates when it comes to domestic policies. Paul would have us all live in some Ayn Rand, hyper-capitalist society. Only the people insane enough to read all of “Atlas Shrugged” would be happy zombies.