J Nord: don’t you mean 5, 10 or 20 seconds rather than minutes? If that with some men.

We are shifting from the right of women to elect to abort to the human rights of a couple who choose to have casual or not so casual sex and find themselves pregnant. Wow! This is a difficult issue. Really it is!
I must say, I hope this is not too far off topic, that when I was speaking with some men friends this past weekend, the theme was common. Men generally desire a women to be dependent and adopts a traditional role. I will add these were American men of mid 40’s to early 50’s. I wonder if this is an indicator of the psychological thinking for a vast majority of men, hence the current situation described in this article?

Hell yeah Mr Freeze/ chaotic good. 
So, I will say that at most a woman should feel free to discuss it with the suspected father, not obligated.  the female will be carrying the fetus for 9 months.  the male took 5, 10, 20 minutes until he ejaculated.  Millions of sperm. If he wanted to he could do this many times in the same day.  Out of 9 months—-20minutes calculates to .005 percent of 9 months.  Who should have the final say?

Women who love children abort all their fetuses rather than birth them into places like Oklahoma.  Thinking fetuses cry out to be aborted.  Thomas Hardy said it:  “The death of a child is never really to be regretted, considering how much he has escaped.”

That’s a little like the pot calling the kettle black..

Actually no, what I object to is men not having any parental rights.

And your right, soon their will simply be no more concern for this, because men simply won’t marry women with your point of view.

G. - I’m far from delusional. I just think your comment about men’s rights is pointless if you want things both ways:

You object to not being consulted about an abortion and you also object to having to pay for a child when a birth happens.

I do agree with you about one thing: Men, do everything you can to avoid having children. Use a 1-inch thick condom, get a vasectomy, become a priest or become gay. This way you can all avoid the expense of having children and women can avoid having abortions.

MFreeze, the only delusional thinking is yours.

If men don’t have any legal rights in regards to their children then don’t ask them to pay for them.

It takes two people to make a child, for now. And as long as both of them are obligated to support that child under the law, then fathers are entitled to legal rights when it comes to their children, not property rights.

Hopefully, at some point men will realize, that paying for a child that they will never see, and have no legal rights to, is not something they want to do for 18 years. And instead they will seek vasectomy’s in record numbers. Actually I think that day isn’t that far off.

The first commentator on this thread makes this comment:

“And since, it has been decided that fathers have no rights when it comes to making a decision on whether to abort, they will quite probably never even know that they might have been a father.”

This sort of thinking is why the “abortion issue” will never go away: males hold this strange notion that they have some sort of property rights on the bodies of women (and even women they haven’t had sex with).

“they will quite probably never even know that they might have been a father…..”

What the hell is that supposed to mean? So, should women have men sign paperwork before having intercourse that explicitly state: “this particular act of sexual congress is for the purpose of procreation…or not?”

You can see just how convoluted and downright delusional men are when it comes to controlling women, their reproductive rights and even child gender, etc.

I’ve heard this stated over and over again and it’s still true: NO ONE is “pro-abortion.” No one gets up in the morning, takes a shower, has a cup of coffee and says, “gosh, I hope a huge number of abortions are performed today!” Unfortunately, the very people who revile abortions are the same people who help “manufacture” them by making the lives of women difficult.

“Oklahoma law requiring doctors to report the personal information of women seeking abortions to a Web site.”

On the top of my head, this would violate at least 3 federal laws.

If OK does not want to follow the law of the land, secede and GFY!

I will never understand how it is a man’s business whether a woman has an abortion.  A man should have absolutely nothing to say about it.  If men got pregnant the right to a safe abortion would be in the Bill of Rights.

A little language clarification might help here.  These people are not “anti-abortion supporters”; they are antichoice supporters. Other antiabortion people are accurately referred to as prochoice.

  Personally, i’ve never met anyone who is “proabortion,” but i’ve met large numbers of people who are prochoice.

  Nor are prochoice people “proabortion.”  Ask any woman who has had one.  An abortion is strictly the last card in the hand, a last resort when all else has failed.  No one likes them.  No one is for them.

They are far from Pro Life; they are Anti-abortion zealots with diminished
faculties.

Funny, a person cannot get “privileged” medical information about family members care in many cases and that is not asking for “personal information.” Yet these anti-abortionists strangers demand private information about women who seek an abortion.Whatever happened to all that B.S.privacy papers that Bush made law for all of us that a person has to sign every time they go to a new doctor, got to the hospital, go to a lab to have test run etc..you get the drift.

Personal information for these possible women seeking this legal procedure has no business being posted on the Internet.It is time for these interfering pro-life busybodies to tend to their own lives,the lives of the adult women that these anti-abortionists feel they have the right to invade and violate should be strictly off limits to the like of these zealots,which in many cases,are mentally unstable.

If this personal information is posted,which BTW violates the medical privacy papers we all have to sign(thank you bush?)for every zealot who feels that these women have murdered their babies,then who is to say that these pro-lifers will not go after these women and stalk,harass,do violence against and in some cases even murder these women and their families and friends. It has happened in the past and it will continue to happen,regardless of current laws in place to protect women against the violence from the Right to Lifers,Operation Rescue, etc.. members now.

These are the same groups of right wing fringe that want to deny medical coverage to the poor in many instances,social services for these women who may need some assistance in the care of these babies that they are forced to carry.As for putting these children up for adoption,many are never adopted,that is a tired excuse these groups use to try to force women to carry an unwanted pregnancy.How many of these unwanted babies/children have they adopted?

They seem to forget that every baby should be a wanted baby,which all to often is not the case in the real world.Are they willing to take on it’s total care from birth to 18?If so,make them prove it by adopting all the unadoptables we have in this country today.Once a baby is grown up a little,they are harder to place.

It should be mandatory that all the personal information of all the right-to lifers and their followers be posted on the Internet,easy for everyone to find them before they put any personal information about those who may or may not have had an abortion.Women who have this legal procedure only do this as a last resort,not a method of birth control.Nothing is as personal as a persons right to choose to have children or not and no stranger(s) should be allowed to demand that all women carry every pregnancy to term every time.After all these anti-abortionists are very unlikely to all have the medical expertise and training pertaining to the women who have gone through this medical procedure on a case by case basis.And since they are probably not doctors,they are trying to practice medicine without a license.Last I knew this was still illegal.By denying this legal procedure to remain legal and available,we are returning to the days that women are nothing but an incubator for the war machine.

It would make more sense for these pro-lifers to go after the governments,MIC,who promote war,they are the real murders of life on a massive scale,to people who already exist now.The planet is already overpopulated with humans,whom do great damage to it.Ever hear the comment,“less is more”.The more there are of a thing,this included humans,the less value it has,as it is commonplace.Less humans on a planet with limited resources would be valued more highly than they are today and maybe then we wouldn’t need all these wars to keep the population in check-sort of.

When men give birth,then they should be allowed to dictate legal procedures about abortion,until that day comes,men should have NO say into a woman’s control of her own reproductive system.

And since, it has been decided that fathers have no rights when it comes to making a decision on whether to abort, they will quite probably never even know that they might have been a father.

Unless, of course the mother decides to keep the child and to collect child support. In which case the father still won’t have any rights to be a part of his childs life, but he will have to pay for it anyway.