By rfidler, December 2 at 1:24 am

Where did you get this quote from as I believe it is mine:

‘we could all sing kumbaya and world peace would reign.’

but I cannot find it anymore especially in this post/article or at any other posts
here so I figured I didn’t hit the submit button or maybe someone ‘reported it’ and
it was removed.

RobertinWestbury said “Obama voted against the war in Iraq because Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.  And he campaigned against the war in Iraq.  He NEVER campaigned against the war in Afghanistan, and has always supported the war there.”

Dead wrong pal.
In 2007 he campaigned and said “the first thing I will do is bring the troops home from Afghanistan and you can take that to the bank.” There’s a video clip of this and I’m sorry I don’t have the link for it to give you but it is fact. Obama has continued to say things and then go an do just the opposite. He’s counting on people forgetting his past utterances. Thankfully we can review the video to confirm the lie.

Problem:  Pakistan’s nukes—which they should never have been permitted to get. (and India’s)?
Problem:  Pakistan’s weak government that does not—probably cannot—control the Swat Valley radicals?
Problem:  Does America have a responsibility to try to “help” Pakistan’s government secure its nukes?
Problem:  If so, is there another, better way to do that soon, or quickly?  If not, what if ... ?
Problem:  If this is a reason for the “surge”, what can (will) be done about nukes in that region—and everywhere else—after the “surge” “succeeds” (which we had better hope it does!)
Problem:  What is the surge really about?  If we are not being told, why not? (I may be wrong, but I don’t think this one is about oil or “nation-building”—or empire, or opium or religion.) It’s about stopping violence with counter-violence, and perhaps a “lesser violence.”  Even if it “succeeds” it will only be a temporary “answer”.
Problem:  Once we get through this tight squeak, what long term changes must be made in the entire weapons of mass destruction policies worldwide?
Problem:  Adopting Taowalker’s term “closed loop” for our present dependence upon the military/industrial feeding tube etc., specifically what steps will help us humans open the “loop” and move toward less “artificial” more “natural” systems?
  I myself believe that this is the question behind all the other questons, and it will be either faced or ignored.  If ignored, we will go from this crisis to the next, blind, deaf and dumb. I also believe that Obama knows this and hopes to help answer it, but knows he can’t do it without massive, enduring help from ordinary people. A demonstration now and then won’t be enough.  “Now is the time . . . .“for a worldwide ethical shift.  I think that many people sense this but don’t know how to respond, specifically.

Well, my fellow BOHONK, I guess it doesn’t matter because most people just don’t want to face the fact that America has limits. Yea, I remember my father dragging me half way around the world, after a long separation as refugees, to what he called this “Paradise of Freedom.” Until he died he tried to hide his disappointment. But America was getting there in the 60s as young Leftists called for MEANINGFUL DIALOGUE instead of Red Revolution—imagine me a Conservative then saying that (but Cal Conservatives for Poitical Action was 100% behind Betina Aptheker’s FSM at Berkely, calling for MEANINGFUL DIALOGUE. But with time we only heard “red revolution” because we have to be polarized to be mobilized so we followed neocon campaign of hate. Look where that got America now. And yet, Americans have done so much good for makind when their avarice and hubris doesn’t get in the way. Now we are as a nation as we let the blacks be in our nation—POOR—yet Obama likes NOW to pretend that we’re still powerful and can kick anyone’s ass. He should have stuck to the principles that guided him all his life instead of listening to the Clintonisquas that run his White House. Noew Hillary thinks she’ss run in 2012 because Obama will be in the toilet. Already her sucking up to Netanyahu proves she’s going after neocon support and her congratulations to Karzai on his electoral victory that she’s going after Right Wing “America’s gotta win” vote. It is so sad that as the ship of state is sinking all the politician rats are looking for the cheese instead of bailing water. But you’re different, mu fellow East Euro and make me proud. Thank you.

Photoshock said,

“President Obama, started his campaign for president, on the foundation of strength through peace, not war, now it has become a policy of war not peace, and peace through the barrel of a gun.”

This simply is not true.  Obama voted against the war in Iraq because Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.  And he campaigned against the war in Iraq.  He NEVER campaigned against the war in Afghanistan, and has always supported the war there. 

His position was that the Bush administration diverted resources away from where the legitimate fight was.  That they let Bin Laden get away because we didn’t have sufficient manpower in Afghanistan because our man power was primarily in Iraq. 

He has always said the war in Afghanistan (and Pakistan) needed to be waged and must be won. 

I love Dennis Kucinich and agree with him on almost everything.  But I have to disagre with him on this one.  It was the valley’s of Afganistan and Pakistan where the plotters of 9/11 launched that effort.  It is there that the radical anti-American terrorists still are, and where they will regroup and plot another attack on us if we just leave. 

It’s unfortunate that with Iraq the Bush administration tired out the American public on the war effort against those in Afghanistan and Pakistan.  Nevertheless, Obama would be irresponsible if he ‘did the popular thing’ and walked away.  In another year or two when they blew up the US Capitol, everyone would then blame him (and they’d be right to). 

On this one I say “Bravo Mr. President.”

I love the argument whiny libs make about how killing terrorists only provokes otherwise peace-loving Muslims into becoming terrorist. So if we’d only stop killing Muslims, we could all sing kumbaya and world peace would reign.

Funny how the folks who brought us 9/11, London, Madrid and Bali didn’t share the same circumspection, and how the whiny libs don’t suggest to the Islamofascists that beheading people might be a bit infra dig.

melpol:

It’s the “Sword of Damocles” you idiot

“as we attempt to stride aside the globe as some Colossus” (!!!)

Dennis is almost as illiterate as Folktruther

A coalition of peace groups are organizing protests against the escalation in many cities across the country. Some of the sponsoring organizations are ANSWER, Code Pink, United For Peace And Justice, and the American Friends Service Committee. To find a demonstration near you, go to:

http://www.answercoalition.org

In most cities it will be Wednesday, December 2nd, at 5:00 PM. You can also call some of your friends and hold up signs at an intersection near your home. It’s time to take a stand!

peace

Once again Dennis Kucinich has spoken the truth and is representing the working class people of America.

Dennis is a true Progressive Leader unlike the bogus Corporate puppet that we have as president.  I for one will never again vote for another Corporate funded /sponsored, Democratic or Republican candidate.  I urge Mr. Kucinich and the few other politicians who still actual represent the people, to leave the Democratic and form a new, strong 3rd party alternative. 

It is obvious that neither of the two Parties represents the interest of working people or offer any real choice or change from the Banker and Corporate greed centered agenda now so entrenched in government. As President Obama has vividly demonstrated it make no difference what these candidates say when campaigning. There actions will always favor Big Money interests.  As in this case, Obama’s decision to send more troops, will benefit the Military, Industrial, Corporate Complex, and their puppet politicians at the tragic expense of treasure and lives of the working class. It is not the Bankers sons who will be sacrificed for this needless, insane war but the lives of the sons and daughters of the working class and the poor. The only good that can come of this is that the American people may perhaps wake up to the fact that they have once again been stealthy conned and lied too.

The sword of Damascus will soon have the blood of infidels on its blade.
Politicians in Kabul will run for their helicopters and fly to Las Vegas when
American forces are withdrawn. Karzai will be the first to leave. Those left behind
will be forced to shovel camel dung to save their heads.

photoshock “start another people’s movement for peace and prosperity.”

absolutely will not happen. Rep. Kucinich’s role is to represent “hope” of reforming the party.

Rep. Kucinich, you are exactly correct that the policy of escalation in Afghanistan, is wrong-headed and a disappointment for this administration.
President Obama, started his campaign for president, on the foundation of strength through peace, not war, now it has become a policy of war not peace, and peace through the barrel of a gun. What happened in the interim to make him, start this obscenity of an escalation?
It is not him and his family that will pay the price for this idiotic and insane policy, the people of the US are again going to be used as cannon fodder for the hopes and dreams of the elite. The few who do not have anything like the economic policies, the lending scam, the banking policies touch them, do not care about real people, the people who will be doing the bidding of a ‘progressive’ president.
This election was rigged from the start, the people have not received any of the promises made during the campaign and are going to be mired deeper in the policy of fighting a war we cannot win.
Please Rep. Kucinch, start another people’s movement for peace and prosperity. The Democratic party has abandoned its core principles for the promise of campaign money and money for the health care of the elected officials. The people have yet again been screwed and tatoo’ed. No one in Washington seems to give a damn about how their votes affect the people at home. We again have been suckered into believing that the representatives care about the ‘little people’ and how their votes mean something to us.