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Reid: Iraq War ‘Lost’

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Posted on Apr 19, 2007
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President Bush may still be in denial, but Sen. Harry Reid is at least telling him the raw truth:  The surge isn’t working, and the Iraq war is not likely to result in any kind of victory.  The Democratic majority leader says he told Bush on Wednesday that the war “is lost,” judging by the “extreme violence” in Iraq lately.


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“I believe ... that this war is lost, and this surge is not accomplishing anything, as is shown by the extreme violence in Iraq this week,” Reid told journalists.

Reid said he had delivered the same message to US President George W. Bush on Wednesday, when the US president met with senior lawmakers to discuss how to end a standoff over an emergency war funding bill.

“I know I was the odd guy out at the White House, but I told him at least what he needed to hear ... I believe the war at this stage can only be won diplomatically, politically and economically.”

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By JNagarya, April 23, 2007 at 8:34 pm Link to this comment

#65851 by Bob Malo on 4/23 at 4:19 pm
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We have already won this war three times! 

We won when the Bush administration demanded that the weapons inspectors be allowed back in Iraq.  Hussein relented and after months of research they announced that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq but they wanted to remain in the country to ensure that Iraq remained weapons free.  Bush would have none of that.  With the mid term elections approaching he had to keep the news focused on Iraq so he pulled out the weapons inspectors and invaded. 

We then won a second time when our victorious troops took control of Baghdad and the rest of the country.  Finally, we won a third time when Hussein was found a brought to justice.

How many times must we win this war?  We now have a huge sectarian conflagration that has its roots that are 1000 years old that will never be solved by our military.  We freed the Iraqi people from their dictator, ensured that the weapons inspectors were correct: there were no WMD in Iraq, and are now caught in the crossfire of a huge civil war that is the Iraqi’s problem not ours.  We gave them a foundation of democracy and they responded by viscously murdering each other.  Now is the time to declare victory and get out.  Harry Reid is a master of the obvious and you are nothing more than defeatists who are apparently incapable of understanding that we already have achieved victory in Iraq.

That would be hilarious if not so off the wall.

That “huge sectarian conflagration”—_CIVIL WAR_—was caused by Bush, et al.  The US has the responsibility of having destroyed IRaq’s stabilitiy and governmental infrastructure.  Let someone break into your house, beat you up, rape your wife, and kill your children.  And then set up camp and occupy your house.

That is Iraq.  But it is not democracy, or anything near becoming democracy. 

The US has increased the number of its enemies—and that is an undermining of national security, and that is a violation of the oath Bush took on 1/21/2001.

Should I mention that torture is a war crime—and a _loss_ for the country which committed it?

The illegal invasion and occupation of a non-threatening sovereign nation is a crime against humanity.  That is a loss for the perpetrator.

This war was lost before it began.

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By Bob Malo, April 23, 2007 at 10:49 am Link to this comment
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We have already won this war three times! 

We won when the Bush administration demanded that the weapons inspectors be allowed back in Iraq.  Hussein relented and after months of research they announced that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq but they wanted to remain in the country to ensure that Iraq remained weapons free.  Bush would have none of that.  With the mid term elections approaching he had to keep the news focused on Iraq so he pulled out the weapons inspectors and invaded. 

We then won a second time when our victorious troops took control of Baghdad and the rest of the country.  Finally, we won a third time when Hussein was found a brought to justice.

How many times must we win this war?  We now have a huge sectarian conflagration that has its roots that are 1000 years old that will never be solved by our military.  We freed the Iraqi people from their dictator, ensured that the weapons inspectors were correct: there were no WMD in Iraq, and are now caught in the crossfire of a huge civil war that is the Iraqi’s problem not ours.  We gave them a foundation of democracy and they responded by viscously murdering each other.  Now is the time to declare victory and get out.  Harry Reid is a master of the obvious and you are nothing more than defeatists who are apparently incapable of understanding that we already have achieved victory in Iraq.

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By JNagarya, April 20, 2007 at 3:51 pm Link to this comment

#65312 by gogogeo on 4/20 at 12:40 pm
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“Reid never voted “for the war”. He voted to allow Bush to use force in the event it was necessary. He mistakenly thought Bush was a reasonable person and would show proper restraint; allowing weapons inspectors to finish their jobs. Only Congress has the authority to declare war, and they have NOT done so.”

Absolutely correct.  Bush was required by Congress to follow a sequence of steps.  That included, before using force, which was—only if necessary—to be the last resort, returning to Congress for permission to do so.

He ignored all but the use of force, including the requirement that he first get permission from Congress to do so.

And what did the Republican-controlled Congress do about it?  Nothing—except defend his violation of the Constitution, Federal laws, and international law.  Exactly as they _ex post fato_ enacted an unconstitutional law in order to give his commission of the war crime of torture the false appearance of legality.

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By gogogeo, April 20, 2007 at 1:40 pm Link to this comment
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Reid never voted “for the war”. He voted to allow Bush to use force in the event it was necessary. He mistakenly thought Bush was a reasonable person and would show proper restraint; allowing weapons inspectors to finish their jobs. Only Congress has the authority to declare war, and they have NOT done so.

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By mary fisher, April 20, 2007 at 9:36 am Link to this comment
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Way to go, Harry!! Keep it coming!! The truth is SO refreshing. Now, when do we begin the open debate on initiating impeachment procedures?

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By James L. Goodson, April 20, 2007 at 8:48 am Link to this comment
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Senator Reid The Real Americans including the House and Senate must step up to the plate and empeach this rogue tyrant, Doing so will save lives. Drop everything else and get the job done. To do less you will lose your job and your Country. Please do not play games with our soverienty.

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By Dr. Richard blackmoor, April 20, 2007 at 5:43 am Link to this comment
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I hope Harry will stop funding this lost war.
  What is the Bush-neo-con definition of winning now anyway?
  Oh yes…get oil for my big oil buddies and make us lots of money.
  Worst President Ever.  Actually worst administration and last Congress was worst congress ever.
  neo-cons and bush…worst of everything…unless you are an enemy of the USA and Freedom

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By JNagarya, April 20, 2007 at 1:28 am Link to this comment

The war was lost before it began—as is obvious to those who know the consistent results of Western interventions in “Iraq”.  Even though the Brits cobbled together the “country” of “Iraq,” they were nonetheless driven out—and the puppet gov’t the installed was overthrown.

The same will happen with the US.

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By Tom Doff, April 19, 2007 at 9:21 pm Link to this comment
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Duh, Harry, so you think the Iraq war is lost?

The only person slower than you on planet Earth is THE DUMMY.

The Iraq war was lost in October, 1945, when Herbert Walker Bush ran out of condoms, and spawned THE DUMMY.

But if you think we feel bad, insiders say old HW breaks into sobs each time he thinks of it.

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By Hammo, April 19, 2007 at 8:54 pm Link to this comment

Thinking in conventional terms, the Bush-Cheney goals and methods in Iraq are highly unlikely to result in “victory,” “success” or similar concepts.

However, it may be possible to achieve some kind of reasonably positive outcome if new thinking is utilized.

A new kinds of operational method, based on emerging discoveries could be very helpful. “Soft power” approaches can also be effective.

However, people other than the Bush-Cheney gang will need to lead the way on these. Take a look at:

“Unconventional Human Intelligence Support: Navy SEAL’s report”

PopulistAmerica.com
January 7, 2007

http://www.populistamerica.com/unconventional_human_intelligence_support

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By rowdy, April 19, 2007 at 8:47 pm Link to this comment

seems to me reid voted for this war,now he has buyers regret. bush seems to have a no refund/no return policy. all sales are final. take it up with the better business bureau.

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By detectivediana, April 19, 2007 at 8:27 pm Link to this comment

There will always be loss in war. That’s what it ends in: one side winning, and another losing. The “‘extreme violence’ in Iraq lately” is a way of trying to justify why Senator Reid would only now say that the war is lost. According to antiwar.com, the latest number of total official number of casualties stands at 24,645. It has taken over four years to think that the war is lost? If Senator Reid was really the odd guy out at the White House, you really gotta wonder what the others were saying. It’s too late; there has already been so much loss.

The war is not lost, because it has spoken volumes with atrocities, violence, torture… and that’s what war is. What is lost is tens of thousands of human lives, and even more have been affected. What is lost is the personalization of these individuals. The increasing dissociation and dehumanization of the wounded and killed and affected only helps to keep the war going.

So it appears that life has been lost, and with it, humanity.

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By DennisD, April 19, 2007 at 8:17 pm Link to this comment
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Tell it like it is Harry. I read today that Bu$h’s Defense Commissar, Gates said “the clock is ticking on Iraq”. He must be talking about the cuckoo-cuckoo clock because the reality clock stopped along time ago. DEFUND THIS DEBACLE NOW AND SAVE LIVES.

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By Hank Van den Berg, April 19, 2007 at 7:35 pm Link to this comment
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Well, better late than never, Sen. Reid finally admits that the war is lost.  The fact is, we lost the war the day we started it because we did not invade Iraq for the reasons given by the administration, we were not prepared to occupy Iraq in a civil manner, and the people in charge generally had no plan or clue what they were doing.  This has been known now for some time by anyone who has the interest to read the information available.  Sen. Reid had this information long before the public ever did, so why did he continue to let the the White House get what it wanted these past years? 
Then again, I suppose we should be grateful that at least now he is willing to publicly accept reality. But will he cut the war funding off now?  Will he pass legislaation shutting down the bases in the Iraqi desert?  Will he openly oppose an attack on Iran?  Oh, there are so many things Sen. Reid could do to make up for his past passive approval of the war.  And it is so necessary that he do these things.

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By QuyTran, April 19, 2007 at 6:51 pm Link to this comment

Dear Senator Reid,

The invasion war in Iraq was lost since the very first day but not now. We all have only and sole avenue to resolve this dirty war is to impeach Bush/Cheney and their whole lawless administration.

Hopefully,

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