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Two young Jewish men in the crowd at Liberty Plaza.

NEW YORK—A right-wing, pro-Israel group called the Emergency Committee for Israel has released a commercial that portrays the ongoing protests against the cozy relationship between government and corporations as anti-Semitic.

The ad begins with a voice-over claiming that some political leaders are sympathetic to Occupy Wall Street, followed by sound bites in which Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, President Obama and commentator Eliot Spitzer make statements in support of protesters.

Viewers are then asked to consider what the protests are really about and shown clips in which supposed protesters connect Jews to the media and the financial industry and berate an elderly man wearing a yarmulke. Then the voice-over asks: “Why are our leaders turning a blind eye to anti-Semitic, anti-Israel attacks? Tell President Obama and ... Pelosi to stand up to the mob. Hate is not an American value.”

As the OWS movement becomes a threat to entrenched power, smear campaigns against it are sure to come from the political and media establishment. Fortunately, there are reporters at Liberty Plaza who can see through such efforts. As one of them, I can tell you that I have not witnessed any acts of anti-Semitism and that there is even a growing Jewish presence inside the park.

All of the Jews I have met at Liberty have seemed comfortable among the protesters. Men wearing full beards with their hair in side curls have talked freely with just about every kind of person in the park and one group has even erected a sukkah—a temporary hut in which Jews pray to celebrate the festival of Sukkot. The only heated conversation I heard between Jews and non-Jews was on the subject of whether children should be raised with religious instruction—a topic that struck me as appropriate and necessary for a group of people that have gathered to talk about the kind of world they want for themselves.

Social tension is to be expected in the microcosm of society that protesters have created at Liberty Plaza. While the gathering may not perfectly replicate the social relationships of American society at large, its members are inevitably drawn from the public, and they bring with them a fair measure of its diversity of values, customs and beliefs, including, without a doubt, some ugly ones. —Alexander Reed Kelly

 

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Truthdig reporter Alexander Kelly has been reporting on Occupy Wall Street from Liberty Plaza. For more, visit truthdig.com/dig/occupy_wall_street

 

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By PatrickHenry, October 25, 2011 at 2:46 am Link to this comment

hetero,

Point made, now go back to your cubicle, someone is posting something bad about Israel somewhere and your shift isn’t over.

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By heterochromatic, October 24, 2011 at 5:27 pm Link to this comment

PatH—it resonates with me whenever people want to dismiss arguments entirely
because of who it is advancing them.

I spent lots of time arguing with people who say that we shouldn’t listen to
anything said by a Muslim…or by Al Gore…or it’s funded by george Soros!!!! it’s
lies.


So PatH sit on the innuendo and dance till you’re happy…..

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By PatrickHenry, October 24, 2011 at 4:48 pm Link to this comment

By PatrickHenry, October 24 at 7:46 am Link to this comment

Paid pro Israel shills are nothing new, they have been around since before that nation was founded.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LofScCiJT4c

Plenty of them around here.

Hetero,

Interesting that I didn’t refer to you in any way when I posted this.  I see it resonated well with you.

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By heterochromatic, October 24, 2011 at 4:41 pm Link to this comment

@By PatrickHenry
What content?

——now ya see, PatH?  THAT’S what happens when you go screaming that it’s
Israeli’s or something…

you don’t even get to hear what they’re saying. 


let’s listen, then provide better answers to whatever crap they’re talking…rather
than go with ....bad jews…or bad rich people…or whatever.

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By PatrickHenry, October 24, 2011 at 4:12 pm Link to this comment

What content?

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By heterochromatic, October 24, 2011 at 4:04 pm Link to this comment

deal with content of the opinion, PatH.

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By PatrickHenry, October 24, 2011 at 3:06 pm Link to this comment

hetero,

Childish but unfortunately true.

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By heterochromatic, October 24, 2011 at 2:57 pm Link to this comment

PatH—mr spell-checker sez ——y’ain’y spelled emmmmmminent reel gud.


=====

in other news, yes, Pat, we all have opinions and trying to discredit other people’s
opinions by saying that the opinions are not their own, but are hired opining, is
puerile.

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By PatrickHenry, October 24, 2011 at 2:20 pm Link to this comment

Yes imminent, we are there now.

If it was emminent it would be tied up in the courts.

Thank you for pointing that out mr. spellchecker, is that all you got?

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By heterochromatic, October 24, 2011 at 2:11 pm Link to this comment

PatH——- imminent?

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By omop, October 24, 2011 at 1:34 pm Link to this comment

Anarcissie.

  So you do care.

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By PatrickHenry, October 24, 2011 at 1:31 pm Link to this comment

hetero,

Yes I’ve had to be an asshole in the military, the building trades and business, even briefly as an instructor.  If you haven’t had the pleasure of being one, you haven’t lived.

Assholes are like your opinions, we all have one and they all stink, some more than others, like your opinion.

Some of the well funded pro Israel advertisement which in effect attempts to smear a larger proportion of nonIsraeli loving protesters who see their hand in much of the mess we are now in.

I miss the old days of equal time for rebuttal, it used to be a mainstay of reporting and editorials of any of the reputable news media.

Regarding property rights, imminent domain rules all and the people rule it.  Put it to a referendum on hand ballots.

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By Anarcissie, October 24, 2011 at 11:05 am Link to this comment

omop—Could you troll elsewhere?

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By Anarcissie, October 24, 2011 at 10:40 am Link to this comment

heterochromatic—It appears, then, that you do believe the rights of property defeat other rights, since a person without property in land would be unable to associate with others, and so on, without the permission of a landlord (including government as possible landlord).  A power subject to the permission of another is not a right.  Sorry to be so repetitious, but many people hold confused and contradictory views about the subject matter.

Moving on, I would like to know on what your ideas of property are founded.  As I see it, property is simply a political fact—the people, or at least those of them who have political power, decide on one structure of property or another, modifying this view from time time to time.  This historical fact, for me, casts considerable doubt on whether property rights can be assumed to have the primacy and superiority over other rights and political facts which you’re giving them.  Of course one could take a religious view and simply hold all property, however configured at the moment, to be ineffably sacrosanct.  This does not seem to be the opinion of the people who wrote the Bill of Rights, however, or they could have saved themselves a lot of trouble.

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By omop, October 24, 2011 at 10:12 am Link to this comment

This man is not hiding behind masks. But judge 4 youselves.

Last Thursday a friend was driving to work listening to Bill Handel, a
Jewish LA-area talk show host discussing the protests. He said he was not
angry with Wall St.—”It’s my tribe that controls Wall St. Why would I be
upset?” (available here beginning around 24:40) (followed by nervous
laughter from his co-host).

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By heterochromatic, October 24, 2011 at 9:54 am Link to this comment

PatH, there have always been assholes around, even before there were masks for
them to hide behind and whether or not people were paying them.

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By heterochromatic, October 24, 2011 at 9:51 am Link to this comment

Ana—“Well, obviously, if people have a right to freedom of expression, freedom
of assembly and association, and so on, they must have to occupy a place while
they express themselves or assemble. “

All I can do is to repeat, Ana, there is NO absolute right to assemble in the
Constittution . there is the right to PEACEABLY assemble…...that’s is all.

You have only the right to assemble on your own private property or on public
property within the limits that the public allows.

You do not have the right To assemble in Yankee Stadium during the second
inning of the first World series game and set up your tents on the infield.

You do not have the right to assemble, with your petition of grievances,  on the
grounds of the White House, and lay your bodies down until the petition is
addressed.

——

the sit-ins were always undertaken knowing that they were illegal and that
there would be arrests, Ana.

after a while, when sit-ins became common, the organizers of the sit-ins and
the police brass would get together and they would sometimes, before the
demo, agree on just who would be getting arrested on that day. 9strange, but
true).

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By heterochromatic, October 24, 2011 at 9:15 am Link to this comment

RayLan—“The hippies and war protesters of the sixties and seventies can be said
to have ‘occupied’
the places in which they did their ‘sit-ins’ and various protests “


yes, that’s right. and we knew we were breaking the law when we did.

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By PatrickHenry, October 24, 2011 at 7:46 am Link to this comment

Paid pro Israel shills are nothing new, they have been around since before that nation was founded.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LofScCiJT4c

Plenty of them around here.

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By Anarcissie, October 24, 2011 at 7:16 am Link to this comment

heterochromatic, October 23 at 6:43 pm:

Ana==
heterochromatic—Are you saying that property defeats
all other rights, should they come into conflict?
=====
no, that’s not what I said…I did say that property
rights are real ...and that the “right to occupy” is
not real. there’s no such right, express or implied
by the First Amendment.

Well, obviously, if people have a right to freedom of expression, freedom of assembly and association, and so on, they must have to occupy a place while they express themselves or assemble.  So if the right to occupy is ‘not real’ then the rights which depend on it are ‘not real’ either.  So I think that is what you said, or rather, the strong implication of what you said.

You could apply the same reasoning to the Greensboro sit-ins and decide that the protesters in that case were violating the right of White Southerners to exclude African-Americans from certain public space, like the Woolworth’s lunch counter (or the legislature) and the property rights of Woolworth’s to accomodate their preferences.  But then someone will ask you what other courses of action would open to the protesters.  I don’t think ‘shut up and go away’ can be considered a viable option.


all the “right to occupy” is….is a very big mistake
based upon thinking if the cause id morally
just…then any action is right…and must, somehow,
be legally permissible or hold priority over law. ...

No one in this discussion (that I have read) has claimed that because a cause is morally just then any action in support of it must be legally permissible.

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By OzarkMichael, October 24, 2011 at 5:57 am Link to this comment

“I’m mostly concerned that OWS needs to mature enough to figure out some
next steps before the winter comes and the spotlight departs.”

My fear is that OWS might become more radical instead of less so. I am concerned because any success obtained via ‘revolutionary methods’ will prompt OWS or other groups(even opposing ones) to use the same tactics or worse, to go a little farther with various methods of force. “All for a good cause”, whatever the OWS or other groups wish to define that as.

I am not interested in rewarding ‘revolutionary methods’ with success, nor do i think those methods require less scrutiny and less criticism than normal political means. In fact, such methods deserve more scrutiny, the very utmost scrutiny since they claim a special status for themselves. Such methods ought to be answered for, discussed openly, but that is proving difficult to accomplish.

You can see the possiblity of our political system unraveling, and either a Leftist or Rightist Occupation that would lead to a dictatorship. Anarcissie might say that it wouldnt matter, that we already lost democracy in fact if not in name. I think things could get a lot worse.

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By RayLan, October 24, 2011 at 3:18 am Link to this comment

@heterchromatic
“the right to peaceable assembly doesn’t really include the right to occupy.”
Semantics - The hippies and war protesters of the sixties and seventies can be said to have ‘occupied’
the places in which they did their ‘sit-ins’ and various protests - even on college campuses ( the legal pretext for police arrest and brutality)

More Semantics - ‘one to one’ - does not necessarily mean in every respect - but the primary response to the ideology is what is important - the populous rage of the Tea Party is directed to government -  as opposed to the finacial private sector of the OWS.

Parsimoniously, You grasp at straws a typical strategy from the right.

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By heterochromatic, October 23, 2011 at 9:12 pm Link to this comment

Oz, OWS is worth defending. It’s raising points worth discussing.

Tactics and platform will have to evolve, but since the Brooklyn Bridge arrests,
OWS and the cops are working things out. Since the threat to kick them out of
Zuccotti Park if they don’t clean up after themselves, things are cleaner.

Things need to get more clean and something will have to be done so that the
park doesn’t smell quite so much, but i expect that those things will work out.

I’m mostly concerned that OWS needs to mature enough to figure out some
next steps before the winter comes and the spotlight departs.

Economic imbalance is probably the primary concern and it’s not an easy thing
to address in a reformist manner in the midst of poor economic conditions.

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By OzarkMichael, October 23, 2011 at 8:56 pm Link to this comment

heterochromatic said:

they just haven’t thought it through and don’t remember or never learned about all the southerners “occupying” the space in fron of public schools to prevent little black children from integrating.

they’re not thinking about the “right to occupy” the space in front of medical clinics where abortions are performed.

Exactly. I refuse to discuss any good goal of Occupy Wall Street until this sort of thing gets clarified. In fact i really dont attack or defend any policy of theirs or even my own, I am too busy trying to figure out if the Left will extend to me the same rights and methods that they claim for themselves.

I seek to establish a level playing field, but in 4 years of effort i have not had much success. There is a thicket of double standards here and I dont think i have ever penetrated it. The only one who comes close to giving a fair shake is Anarcissie, who is also the and the only one that actually tries to discuss issues, and will take a stand and defend an idea instead of resorting to name-calling.

Interesting that in the past four years Anarcissie is usually unattached to a political side, flying solo as it were. Not liberal or conservative in the common usage. Measuring each event and issue by his/her own unique philosophy. Gets a lot of grief from many Truthdiggers.

OWS is a new game. Anarcissie is tied to it and defends it. Which is cool. I get to play the distant critical objective person(or the accuser with a barrage of complaints) while Anarcissie defends.

So lately I give Anarcissie a hard time about OWS but in fact Anarcissie is courteous and creative in response.

What i am trying to say is that Anarcissie is the best Leftist on Truthdig, worth reading, and worth arguing with. Hardly anyone else will discuss these things at all.

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By heterochromatic, October 23, 2011 at 6:43 pm Link to this comment

Ana==
heterochromatic—Are you saying that property defeats
all other rights, should they come into conflict?

=====

no, that’s not what I said…I did say that property
rights are real ...and that the “right to occupy” is
not real. there’s no such right, express or implied
by the First Amendment.

all the “right to occupy” is….is a very big mistake
based upon thinking if the cause id morally
just…then any action is right…and must, somehow,
be legally permissible or hold priority over law.

it has, in the past, proven to be a very dangerous
mistake and used to establish authoritarian regimes,
some of the left-wing variety, but mostly right-wing
ones.

if the cause is just, accept that there will be
actions that will result in arrests and use use the
arrests to demand a day in court and exploit the
resultant publicity.

don’t pretend that your “rights” trump everyone
else’s or be prepared to have all the laws -and all
the legal rights- disappear.


-here’s one of my favorite imaginary quotations,
supposedly by Sir Thomas More—

—-“And when the last law was down, and the Devil
turned ‘round on you, where would you hide, Roper,
the laws all being flat?
This country is planted thick with laws, from coast
to coast, Man’s laws, not God’s! And if you cut them
down (and you’re just the man to do it!), do you
really think you could stand upright in the winds
that would blow then?

Yes, I’d give the Devil benefit of law, for my own
safety’s sake!”——

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By Anarcissie, October 23, 2011 at 5:53 pm Link to this comment

heterochromatic—Are you saying that property defeats all other rights, should they come into conflict?

Property is itself a political institution and practice, so it seems curious if it is held to be superior to all other political practices, although I suppose some people think of it that way.  On what basis, I’m not sure.

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By heterochromatic, October 23, 2011 at 5:19 pm Link to this comment

Oz——Everyone has a right to ‘occupy’ in order to make their protest more
effective? And not get arrested while doing it?

Everyone?”

——
they just haven’t thought it through and don’t remember or never learned about all
the southerners “occupying” the space in fron of public schools to prevent little
black children from integrating.

they’re not thinking about the “right to occupy” the space in front of medical
clinics where abortions are performed.

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By heterochromatic, October 23, 2011 at 5:14 pm Link to this comment

Ana—-the right to peaceable assemble does not include the right to assemble
on other people’s property. You get to assemble on your own property, public
property in manner consistent with the usual regulation or with special
permission, or get to assemble on some other person’s property with the
consent of that other person.

You don’t have any right to assemble—and set up housekeeping—- just
anywhere.

Nothing in the history of the common law preceding the Constitution or law
since the Constitution even vaguely suggests that you have any right to decide
to camp out just anywhere.


The legal theory is based on many centuries development of the laws of
trespass.

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By OzarkMichael, October 23, 2011 at 4:40 pm Link to this comment

Everyone has a right to ‘occupy’ in order to make their protest more effective? And not get arrested while doing it?

Everyone?

Or is it only the Left that has this new privilege?

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By Anarcissie, October 23, 2011 at 4:29 pm Link to this comment

heterochromatic—You haven’t explained why the right to assemble doesn’t include the right to occupy the space on which to assemble, and so forth.  What’s your theory?

I think the question of space has become interesting, as increasing areas of life are propertized and privatized.

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By heterochromatic, October 23, 2011 at 11:31 am Link to this comment

Ana—-The rights of speech and assembly imply the right to control enough
space to speak and assemble.—-

the “implied right” is and has always been a limited one, just as the the “right to
assemble” has always been limited…and is limited in the Constitution.


even still, the right to assemble is not a right to occupy and the right to petition
the government is not a right to disrupt, at will, private citizens or private
property.

never was, and pretending that recent restrictions justify claiming new and
non-recognized rights is not good.

let’s protest injustice and let people who wish to break the laws understand that
if they find it desirable or necessary to break the law, they can’t claim that law
didn’t exist

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By omop, October 23, 2011 at 7:31 am Link to this comment

Money, money for special folks only.

According to news reports 43,000.000 Americans are on food stamps.
The main man at Goldman Sachs on Wall Street got $49,000.000 last
year.

[is this epitome of capitalism or what?]

But thats not all.  More money for everyone outside America and no
money for Americans!!

http://americanfreepress.net/?p=1141

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By Anarcissie, October 23, 2011 at 7:15 am Link to this comment

The rights of speech and assembly imply the right to control enough space to speak and assemble.  One of the interesting and important aspects of control of American community by elites has been the denial of physical space to dissenters, either by privatizing it or by restrictions against it in public space, such as the cynical ‘free speech zones’ set up in recent years at great distances from controlled public events like the major party conventions.

Likewise, until the rise of the Internet, dissent was substantially excluded from common discursive space, that is, the media, which were under the control of the same class as most real estate and most local governments.

Evidently one must choose sometimes between the rights of expression, association, and assembly, and the absolute rights of private property.  If there is a right to expression, association and assembly, there is also a right to occupy the space necessary for it.

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By Leefeller, October 23, 2011 at 4:20 am Link to this comment

Paid provocateurs, cronies and charlatans are everywhere, many are in politics and behind the pulpit.

Occupy Wall Street has brought out of hiding many long over due grievances constantly ignored by the manipulated mass media.

Finally people are calling attention to the inequality and abuses sponsored by special interests.  Maybe more things should be brought to attention like; there are 250 plus lobbyists for every member of congress and many of those lobbyists are ex congress members, average median income of a lobbyist is 300 K a year.  Cronyism anyone? 

This article shows us pure and simple more of the business as usual manipulated opportunism, really with no substantiated merit in its existence, unfortunately I feel this may be the same for most of politics.

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By heterochromatic, October 22, 2011 at 9:19 pm Link to this comment

RayLan, the right to peaceable assembly doesn’t really include the right to occupy.

and the foolishness of the TeaParty doesn’t not include occupying anythig except a
befuddled air of outrage, so OWS isn’t really a 1 for 1 response.

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By RayLan, October 22, 2011 at 8:19 pm Link to this comment

@OzarkMichael
I don’t know what you’re sputtering about - I wasn’t addressing your comments -
The right to peaceful assembly is a cornerstone of democracy - a right that made the Tea Party possible -
OWS is a counter-response to that kind of populism.

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By heterochromatic, October 22, 2011 at 8:02 pm Link to this comment

Oz, I read it twice before typing my comment and then a third time before
publishing it.

you’ll note in my comment that the first thing I said was that they said it was a
preference not to have the police in their midst…...


after that it’s all ” you have every right and we’ll support you if you do…”

that’s not much discouragement .... don’t try to make much of it.

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By OzarkMichael, October 22, 2011 at 7:16 pm Link to this comment

The statement encourages them to contact the Occupy Baltimore Security comittee, although they certainly ‘have the right’ which means they have the optoion to contact the police instead.

Read it again, there is encouragement to not call the police.

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By heterochromatic, October 22, 2011 at 6:33 pm Link to this comment

OzMike,,,you best read the statement in the link again…..it says that they prefer
not have police in their midst…..but that anyone who wishes to report sexual
abuse to the police has the right to do so and will have the support of the
community.


further on the statement advises that reporting rape to the police should be done
before 72 hours elapse…in order to facilitate evidence collection…...

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By OzarkMichael, October 22, 2011 at 5:54 pm Link to this comment

Obviously, the whole business about a head on a pole could easily have been posed by the film’s makers for the occasion.

You dismiss anything bad about OWS by claiming it is accomplished by enemy agents.

You need to know Anarcissie, that such denials coupled with accusations were a staple of the Left all the way to Stalin. Until he turned it around on the anarchists and even fellow Communists. It was only then that anarchists realized that the agitprop which they skillfully used came with a very heavy price tag.

I suppose you think the statement from OccupyBaltimore that advises Occupiers to not contact the police to report abuse(and rape) was released by libertarians?

Wanna see it? Judging by how you turn away from evidence of trouble at OccupyWhatever, probably not.

Here it is anyway, when you get to the article you have to click ‘below the fold’ to see the OccupyBaltimore statement on rape and assault:


http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/209837.php

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By Anarcissie, October 22, 2011 at 3:14 pm Link to this comment

I would no more look at a negative propaganda video to glean the truth of the Occupations, than I would look at Jud Süß to obtain the truth about the history of the Jews in Germany.  Obviously, the whole business about a head on a pole could easily have been posed by the film’s makers for the occasion.

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By OzarkMichael, October 22, 2011 at 9:50 am Link to this comment

The incoherent bigotry of the Right reserves itself the right to a pro-Israeli (Zionist) stance.

When it comes down to my right to question anyone, and anything, yes i exercise that right. I also recognize that right for everyone else. There is no ‘reserving’ anything. Not only that, i would defend that right to the death if need be.

Also, you are mostly talking about bigotry, where you almost seem to want to express some bigotry yourself and dont like that i am questioning you about it. You want a free pass. Oh dear, it isnt easy being called out, is it, RayLan?

You suggest that the only reason i question you is because my ‘power mongering’ is at stake. Essentially, you are accusing me of being racist, anti-gay, anti-Muslim, etc etc as if that excuses your own prejudice.

What is your excuse? That you are doing the good work for a holy cause, on the crusade, performing jihad, designing agitprop, all attacking the corrupt status quo?

A decapitated head on a spike! The MSM didnt cover that. The only reason we see it is here is accidental. Truthdig got careless.

You know if a Tea Party person had that sign, it would be all over the news and there would be many articles in Truthdig about it. And it would be held as proof that the whole Tea Party movement are hateful racists.

So I have a right to ask: What is that decapitation at Occupy Wall Street about? Is it supposed to be a Jewish person? A Jewish rich person? Anarcissie calls it an ‘element’ of ‘low level of propaganda’, ok… but what is it supposed to signify?

Their hateful strategies against democractic processes is predictable.

Let me be the first to inform you that occupation and revolution are not particularly democratic processes. Any group can use occupation and revolution for any cause, and they can achieve any outcome, including unintended ones.

Unintended consequences are a common problem for mass movements, but these accidental outcomes need not be entirely unforeseen or inevitable ones… if we ask questions. Which apparently makes me a antidemocratic racist for doing so.

A decapitated head on a spike! Nobody notices. Nobody cares. Occupy Wall Street should not get a free pass on this. So dont try to insult me into not asking questions. It wont work because I am far more committed to freedom than you are committed to silencing me.

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By omop, October 22, 2011 at 7:51 am Link to this comment

The higher levels of propaganda by Anon.

” The Jews/zionists have been able to make Americans believe in
absurdities and therefore have made it easy for them to allow atrocities. [
on Wall Street, Libya, Africa, et al ]. In the end all Americans will end up
paying the bigger price.

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By RayLan, October 22, 2011 at 7:45 am Link to this comment

The incoherent bigotry of the Right reserves itself the right to a pro-Israeli (Zionist) stance (not necessarily pro-Semitic) but anti-Muslim, anti-gay, racist etc. etc.. Apparently bigots draw the line where their power-monging is at stake - Israel being a strategic geopolitical arm of US military presence, though rapidly ceding to the so-called ‘Arab Spring’.
The OWS movement offends them, not because of any selective bigotry,(spare me) but because it attacks the corrupt status quo of the financial services corporatocracy. Their hateful strategies against democractic processes is predictable.

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By OzarkMichael, October 22, 2011 at 7:38 am Link to this comment

The first thing I remind you of is that its a human being whose head us represented. And more importantly, it was a human being who created that ‘low level propaganda’ and was waving it around. What does it do to the soul of the person who created it, and to the people who gaze at it approvingly?

And what about those of us at a distance who view the head on a spike? From a distance “such elements” look like a threat. It has a ‘Bastille’ feel to it.

I thank you for at answering the question, Anarcissie. Maybe some day you will explain the higher levels of propaganda to me as well.

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By Anarcissie, October 22, 2011 at 7:13 am Link to this comment

It’s not a very high level of propaganda.  The function of such elements seems obvious.

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By OzarkMichael, October 22, 2011 at 7:03 am Link to this comment

I noted: “Occupy Wall Street with a life-like severed head impaled on a spike… Does anyone care?

Since I am the only one to bring it up, and since there is nothing but a response that blames me for noticing it, the answer is ‘no’.

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By drbhelthi, October 22, 2011 at 12:22 am Link to this comment

I really like this saying by heterochromatic to drbhelthi. i will use it someday: “have fun reflexively attributing prejudice to people who don’t share your own”  OzarkMichael

Certainly.
It could well be used as the complementary close on all blogs made by AIPAC/Israeli
shills.  Especially those who sit at your cubicle.

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By drbhelthi, October 22, 2011 at 12:19 am Link to this comment

Does anyone know who carried that horrible sign around?  OzarkMichael

Strange.
You do not recognize a member of your entourage?

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By OzarkMichael, October 21, 2011 at 6:42 pm Link to this comment

On the video exposing the antisemitism, i notice at the 31 second mark is a photo of Occupy Wall Street with a variety of signs including a rather life-like severed head impaled on a spike.

Does anyone know if that head represents a particular person?

Does anyone know who carried that horrible sign around?

Does anyone care?

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By cpb, October 21, 2011 at 5:54 pm Link to this comment

KrazoDavid routinely has fun reflexively attributing prejudice to people who don’t share his own.

Just sayin!

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By OzarkMichael, October 21, 2011 at 2:55 pm Link to this comment

I really like this saying by heterochromatic to drbhelthi. i will use it someday:

“have fun reflexively attributing prejudice to people who don’t share your own”

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By heterochromatic, October 21, 2011 at 1:57 pm Link to this comment

thanks for the babble…..clueless. i ain’t chosen at all

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By drbhelthi, October 21, 2011 at 1:26 pm Link to this comment

@ heterochromatic

Person, you will learn some day that you >have been< “a chosen,” but not
“God´s” chosen.

Your current stance suggests it will be too late when you do learn.

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By heterochromatic, October 21, 2011 at 1:02 pm Link to this comment

drbhelthi, ” I find it neat when you are able to write something that does not
reflect your Israeli prejudice and diatribe. “


I’m happy that you find neat things but you haven’t a freaking clue or much
likelihood of finding one.

have fun reflexively attributing prejudice to people who don’t share your own


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By drbhelthi, October 21, 2011 at 12:42 pm Link to this comment

@ heterochromatic

Person, your writing ability suggests that you are reasonably well educated, which subsumes the required intelligence.  After reading several of your posts, I was somewhat distressed at your attempt to dominate, with your tendency to attempt to intellectually scapegoat, which hasn´t worked very well.  Your posts are typically void of useful information that contributes to the theme in subject. 

After having reviewed several of your posts since your date of joining Truthdig, October 15, 2011, I tend to draw one basic conclusion about you.  I tend to equate what one writes with what one says to oneself, and prior to writing it, sometimes says “out loud.”  However,  your blogs appear to me to resemble farts that exude from your mouth.  Usually.  I find it neat when you are able to write something that does not reflect your Israeli prejudice and diatribe.  I don´t use the term “Jew” or “Jewish” very much, since for a few hundred years, at least, these terms apply to a religious belief, not a clan of people, according to Hebrew scholars.  Which believers are as abused in Israel by the Israeli Zionists as Americans are abused by the current USGOV.  As far as Israelis being “God´s chosen people,” that went out when the veil of the temple was torn in two by unseen forces, about two thousand years ago, so Israeli scribes have written.  A fact disregarded by the average Rabbi, vehemently denied by the rabid-type Rabbi.  Which types continue to try to punish “God” for not doing it the way they “prescribed.” 

Bare facts are that the Federal Reserve controls the western world banking system, and increasingly the banking system of the world.  Bare facts are that Zionists and Zionist-types own the Federal Reserve.  http://www.serendipity.li/wod/nsmith_chron.htm
Bare Facts are that JFKSr was planning to remove the Federal Reserve from its private owners, and bequeath it to the United States of America.  He also had formally requested information about the UFO secrecy, eight or so days prior to his murder.  He also planned to re-organize the CIA.  These are three of the numerous reasons for which he was murdered, disregarding the personal hate of Lyndon B. Johnson and his Zionist “oil cronies.”  Behind all three of these actions, an interesting “clan” of folk is located, all of whom were very rich.  Today, they are even richer.  They reflect the alleged 1% who are responsible for the suffering of the 99%, trumpeted by the OWS action.  Statistically, their percentage is much less than 1%, and they are the tail that has been wagging the dog for hundreds of years, perhaps longer.  The current, alleged 99% want to start wagging the tail, which is very appropriate.  There are many who would like the tail bobbed.  If you consider this desire to be anti-semitic, you might improve your education by reading the works of more recent scholars of Hebrew texts.

The members of the Hitler-NAZI movement secreted approximately twenty thousand of their membership, with family members, into the U.S., 1945-1952.  One major import was Dr. Werner von Braun, Hitler´s major rocket scientist.  Dr. von Braun came to love the U.S. and Americans so much, that he revealed the Zionist/NAZI plan, to overtake control of the earth, to a cohort, Dr. Carol Rosin, 1974.  Dr. von Braun was dying from cancer, and charged Dr. Rosin to broadcast his revelation to Americans, to forewarn and awaken “Us”.  The following link leads to pertinent information and links. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ALLUuvsVkM

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By omop, October 21, 2011 at 12:21 pm Link to this comment

OZMIKE.
In response to your calling me “antisemitic” you might find the
Talmudic quotes pertinent to your kind of people.


* “If a ‘goy’ (Gentile) hits a Jew he must be killed.” (Sanhedrin 58b)

* “If a Jew finds an object lost by a ‘goy’ it does not have to be
returned.” (Baba Mezia 24a)

* “If a Jew murders a ‘goy’ there will be no death penalty.” (Sanhedrin
57a)

* What a Jew steals from a ‘goy’ he may keep.” (Sanhedrin 57a)

* “Jews may use subterfuges to circumvent a ‘goy.’” (Baba Kamma 113a)

* “All children of the ‘goyim’ (Gentiles) are animals.” (Yebamoth 98a)

* “Girls born of the ‘goyim’ are in a state of ‘niddah’ (menstrual
uncleanness!) from birth.” (Abodah Zarah 36b)

* “The ‘goyim’ are not humans. They are beasts.” (Baba Mezia 114b)

* “If you eat with a ‘goy’ it is the same as eating with a dog.” (Tosapoth,
Jebamoth 94b)

* “Even the best of the ‘goyim’ should all be killed.” (Soferim 15)

* “Sexual intercourse between the ‘goyim’ is like intercourse between
animals.” (Sanhedrin 74b)

* “When it comes to a Gentile in peace times, one may harm him
indirectly, for instance, by removing a ladder after he had fallen into a
crevice.” (Shulkan Arukh, Yoreh De ‘ah, 158, Hebrew Edition only)

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By heterochromatic, October 21, 2011 at 10:31 am Link to this comment

PatH—-“It all stinks and if it is because the majority of the guilty are Jewish and
because they were Jewish it was allowed to happened by our government “

what rock in your head produced that bullsh1t?

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By ywerd, October 20, 2011 at 8:43 pm Link to this comment
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The 1% is screwing over the 99% in Israel too. don’t know who these goofs think they’re representing.

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By Anarcissie, October 20, 2011 at 6:00 pm Link to this comment

I was just down at the Wall Street Occupation this evening, around 6:30 p.m., getting rid of some books I don’t want any more.  As before, I took the time to walk around and take things in.  The people there seemed quieter and more cheerful than they did last time, in spite of the early dark and the chilly wind.  The plaza and the stuff on it were more orderly than last time.  Near where I parked my bicycle, on the periphery of things, a young Black woman was discussing higher education policy with two policemen and a fellow who looked like an old plainclothesman.  I mention her race only because some calumniators have insisted that the Occupation somehow excludes Black people—this seems to be the party line.  There were some other disproofs in the park as well.  No identifiable anti-Semites or Nazis were to be observed.  Not too many signs out; those I read seemed to be calling for social-democratic reform rather than revolution, but I did not make a thorough survey.  There was an anarchist flag (black), a couple of American flags, and a flag with an abstract design that may have come from someone’s imagination or one of those Caribbean countries.

Getting there was slow because the Occupation seems to have become a big tourist attraction: Broadway had several big red tourist buses lumbering slowly past and gumming up traffic.  However, there’s not much to see unless you get off the bus, and maybe not even then.  Just a lot of people hanging around.  Having left my books and made my quick tour, I rode off into the windy dark.

I suppose this report will be disappointing to those who desire to see and hear evil.

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OzarkMichael (most likely an apt label), the semi-academic, faux-balanced
approach you take in discussing OWS anti-Semitism is pretty much what one
would expect from a neocon, Tea Party-hugging sort of person. Your entire good-
for-the-goose bullshit in falsely equating the two movements is really
embarrassing, especially if one believes in the process of evolution. I’ve spent
many hours now with the Occupy Wall Street people here in New York, marching
with them and visiting them at Liberty Plaza. I have seen and photographed
probably over 125 signs. I have yet to experience visually or aurally any anti-
Semitism. That there probably are some sure-fire, good old-fashioned Jew haters
here and there I haven’t a doubt - this is a diverse gathering of people, after all.
But as much as you and various assorted neocons, such as Kristol and Bolton and
Krauthammer and Pipes and Ledeen and Abrams and such right-wing warrior-
Likudnik types would like to wax all ecstatic if you and they could definitively
categorize OSW as fundamentally anti-Semitic, you and they can’t, try as you and
they will. And exactly which demonstration are you referencing? Boston? New
York? Portland? Atlanta? Los Angeles, where there apparently were some of the
signs you apparently hunger for? Grow up, little guy - one James O’Keefe at a time
is quite enough. As to your referring us to that right-wing ideological rag, PJ
Tatler,  as the source of your worldly information, I humbly suggest you utilize it
in the bathroom for you know what. How racist the Tea Party is or isn’t I don’t
know - hard to quantify - but certainly one strong bit of circumstantial evidence is
the noticeable lack of people of color. And as to Herman Cain’s new-found respect
among Tea Party ilk, is it that he just might be another Clarence Thomas? And by
the way, OzarkMichael, as a Jew, I deeply resent you or any of your sort
attempting to besmirch and delegitimize a very heartfelt, non-astroturf popular
movement with your malevolent blather. Also, I didn’t detect anything that your
hated omop said that wasn’t true.

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By PatrickHenry, October 20, 2011 at 5:01 pm Link to this comment

What rock did these self styled monitors of antisemitism crawl out from under?

Many posters like myself can care less if we don’t pass some anal retentives sniff test of who is an antisemite and who is not.  I’m sure I am not a prosemite by any stretch of the imagination. 

Does identifying the perpetrators of this financial mess being Jewish make these protesters antisemetic?  I hardly think so as many jewish investors also had their portfolios cleaned by these same Madoff types.

It is worth mentioning the kinsman networks which exist within the Jewish banking circles and the revolving door of federal oversight and high stakes trading houses.  Bloomberg sure didn’t come out on the side of the majority of his constituents did he?

It all stinks and if it is because the majority of the guilty are Jewish and because they were Jewish it was allowed to happened by our government it should be brought out and that is not being antisemetic it is being truthful.

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By heterochromatic, October 20, 2011 at 3:32 pm Link to this comment

OzMike—-I’ll hang around a bit.

But let me be clear, there are sheep and there are goats.  I’haven’t seen any
anti-Semitism coming out of OWS in Zuccotti Park. I have seen anti-Semitism
from leftists and I’ve seen plenty of bigotry from Tea Party members…..

If you want to look at anti-Semitism from the left, you don’t have to cite the
usually unreliable pajamas media…


go to MondoWeiss and you’ll see plenty.  Philip Weiss isn’t someone that I
would paint as an active anti-Semite, he’s mostly just someone who no longer
can differentiate his ass from a hole in the ground, but the site is filled with
some ugly sh1t.

the mophead here is pretty restrained compared to those douchenozzles.

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By OzarkMichael, October 20, 2011 at 3:01 pm Link to this comment

Here is a website with evidence of antisemitism by the Occupation 99% types, as of 10/13/11:

http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/10/13/more-anti-semitism-at-occupy-los-angeles/

I would like to point out that folks believed the Tea Party was racist with far less evidence, far less proof both direct and indirect.

If one must say that the Tea Party is racist one must also say that OWS is antisemitic. Otherwise we are approving of a strict standard to be used on one group, and a far more lax standard applied to the other. Not only is that double standard unfair to the Right, it lets the Left limp along with an increasing amount of anti-semetism because no one will admit the problem is there.

omop is one of a considerable number of antisemetic Leftists here at Truthdig. Truthdig is a pretty good barometer, a sampling of Leftist thought all the way from, “Lets get behind the Democrats” all the way to “No voting, burn the whole thing down” and everything in between.

I have made what is admittedly an extrapolation: I figure that the Leftist variety at Truthdig also represents the Leftists in real life, and lately I apply the same estimation to the “Occupy” movement.

Are we really surprised that antisemites are showing up with the Occupation?After what we read here every day?

As the months go by(an aside to heterochromatic: assuming you stay and please do), you will meet 15-20 more of these overtly antisemetic characters. Sometimes I wonder if thats just the tip of the iceberg, and how much more hatred or prejudice is unspoken.

The curious thing is that American Jewish people have been just as active as anyone else for good causes, especially ones that Leftists love to claim as their own. Its hard to understand why the Left is turning on Jewish people, but I see it worsening as the years go by. Denying that development doesnt help anyone, it actually makes it worse.

Confronted with evidence of anti-semetism at Truthdig, right under their noses, either Leftists just accept it or they avert their eyes, or they pretend that it is ‘conservative agents’ writing it. That is an indication of how the Occupy movement will handle anti-semetism as well.

This denial, this averted eye, this blame on external forces, is all abetted by Truthdig. There is no self seaching, no ‘how are we culpable?’ or ‘are we feeding this problem?’ or even acknowlegement that there is a problem.

Now, as far as faults on the Right, such as racism, antisemetism, violence, crooked politicians, whatever human fault you want to mention… these are documented and I do not deny it. i despise such. Most conservatives do so as well.

Yet these rare bad events and bad attitudes are used to paint the rest of us. It us an accusation made against an entire movement, upon every rational argument and thought we have which has nothing to do with racism.Yet we have to defend ourselves, deal with the accusation and the problem, to whatever extent it really exists. 

The strictness with which we have been judged must not suddenly be discarded. It is absolutely fair that we apply the same strictness to the Leftists and their movement. If such scrutiny is good for me, it is good for them.

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By omop, October 20, 2011 at 2:14 pm Link to this comment

heterochromatic

You also would do well to clean the top and bottom of your mouth after
you finish with your shoes.

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By heterochromatic, October 20, 2011 at 1:42 pm Link to this comment

omop,  I certainly didn’t insult you. ....  you are what you are.

time to clean the bottoms of my shoes…......

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By omop, October 20, 2011 at 1:37 pm Link to this comment

heterochromatic.

This is definitely NOT QED.


Emergency Committee For Israel Board Member Calls Palestinians
‘Savages,’ ‘Unmanned Animals,’ ‘Food For Sharks’
By Eli Clifton on Oct 19, 2011 at 4:52 pm

Rachel Abrams
The Emergency Committee for Israel (ECI) — a right-wing “pro-Israel”
pressure group — attempted to paint the Occupy Wall Street protests as
anti-Semitic. But while plenty of evidence runs counter to the ECI’s far-
reaching assertions that politicians are “turning a blind eye to anti-
semitic, anti-Israel attacks,” the ECI is much slower to condemn its own
ties to ethnic and religious intolerance.

ECI board member Rachel Abrams — wife of George W. Bush
administration Middle East adviser Elliott Abrams — litters her blog,
“Bad Rachel,” with homophobic, anti-Palestinian, innuendo-filled
screeds about political opponents.

Last year, she focused on Christopher Hitchens’ bisexuality in a post
titled “Giving Homosexuality a Bad name.” She wrote:
Wherever one stands on the homosexuality question—I’m agnostic, or
would be if the “gay community” would quit trying to shove legislation
down my throat—there can be no denying bisexuality’s double betrayal
—you never know, whether you’re the man of the hour or the woman,
when the ground on which you’re standing is going to turn to ashes—
nor any denying the self-admiring “nourishment” its promiscuous
conquests afford.

And following the death of Sen. “Teddy” Kennedy (D-MA), she offered
the following innuendo-filled limerick:
An amorous sot name of Teddy
Lost control when things got a bit heady.
He went over the side,
Left his ride in the tide,
And his squeeze giving head to an eddy.

But Abrams saves her harshest, most dehumanizing, words for
Palestinians. Abrams writes that after Israel finishes celebrating the
release of IDF soldier Gilad Shalit, they should:

…round up his captors, the slaughtering, death-worshiping, innocent-
butchering, child-sacrificing savages who dip their hands in blood and
use women—those who aren’t strapping bombs to their own devils’
spawn and sending them out to meet their seventy-two virgins by
taking the lives of the school-bus-riding, heart-drawing, Transformer-
doodling, homework-losing children of Others—and their offspring—
those who haven’t already been pimped out by their mothers to the
murder god—as shields, hiding behind their burkas and cradles like the
unmanned animals they are, and throw them not into your prisons,
where they can bide until they’re traded by the thousands for another
child of Israel, but into the sea, to float there, food for sharks,
stargazers, and whatever other oceanic carnivores God has put there for
the purpose.

Abrams’ violent fantasies are protected under the first amendment, but
the organization’s leadership might want to look in the mirror before
smearing the Occupy Wall Street protests as intolerant. (HT: Media
Matters)

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By gerard, October 20, 2011 at 1:30 pm Link to this comment

At any given moment in US history,the US has been predominately (and dominatingly) white Protestant Chsitian. (Even the white Christian Catholics used to worry them, in my father’s day.)
  But recently they have been gradually losing their privileged “majority” status, and it gives a lot of them the jim-jams. The jim-jams has encouraged, rather than discouraged, anti-everything-else-ism, and don’t think the politicians haven’t been playing these cards whenever it helps their re-election. (And not, when that helps also. Politics, as we can plainly see, is largely unprincipled.)
  As to most of the many Jews I have known: they are very “liberal”, meaning well-educated, tolerant, and opposed to the Occupation and the anti-Arab disease which afflicts the Zionistic parties of Israel. They have not been supporters of AIPAC. Many have worked with me, with Palestinian Muslims, Catholics and others to promote peacemaking education and public understanding.
  When I was a kid in Pittsburgh decades ago—well, that was a different (and much more prejudicial) set-up.  Discrimination was rampant, and finely tuned up and down a “ladder of respectability” that even as an elementary school kid I understood without being told. Early on, I began to stand against it, albeit with little obvious success, yet over time we have improved a lot!  Take it from there!

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By omop, October 20, 2011 at 1:25 pm Link to this comment

heterochromatic.

Your insults paraphrase past claims such as the one not so long ago
by Rabbi Yossef and published in the Jerusalem Post about gentiles
being donkeys but also one made by Begin.

“Our Race is the Master Race. We are divine Gods on this planet. We are
as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact,
compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at
best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to
rule over the inferior races.”—Menachem Begin—Israeli Prime
Minister 1977-1983

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By heterochromatic, October 20, 2011 at 1:12 pm Link to this comment

O mop——here’s the stuff that quotes Forman…..

http://www.forward.com/articles/12998/

try doing more reading rather than just aping shit posted on dimwitted anti-
Semitic sites.

you won’t sound like quite as much like a greatly dilated end of an intestinal tract.

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By heterochromatic, October 20, 2011 at 1:03 pm Link to this comment

omop====the woman is not and was not a “Senior
Advisor to Hillary Clinton”.

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By omop, October 20, 2011 at 12:51 pm Link to this comment

heterochromatic.

A couple more QEDs for ya in addition to Pat.

“The role of the President of the United States is to support the
decisions that are made by the people of Israel. ” ~Anne Lewis, Senior
Advisor to Hillary Clinton and sister of Rep. Barney Frank

“Politics in America has become a Jewish profession, just like law and
the arts. ” ~Ira Forman, The Jewish Daily Forward, March 20, 2008

“My opinion of Christian Zionists? They are scum. But don’t tell them
that. We need all the useful idiots we can get right now.” -~Benjamin
Netanyahu, Israeli Prime Minister.

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By heterochromatic, October 20, 2011 at 12:47 pm Link to this comment

thinker——-War IDF vs children and civilina in Gata


war is not IDF versus women and children…much foolishness to say that, not
thinking.

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By cpb, October 20, 2011 at 11:44 am Link to this comment

“I’ll believe OWS ISN’T Anti-Semitic when they perform one
simple task: State as a group that you stand with and
support Israel.”

Yeah right - equating anti-semitism with criticism of
Israel….

FAIL

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By thinker, October 20, 2011 at 11:13 am Link to this comment
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1.AIPAC and they have big impact for wars in Iraq, and
after that in Afganistan.
This game cost us 2.300 billion $.
Thats my opinion.
2. War IDF vs children and civilina in Gata, and
Palestine is ugliest crime, after braking South Africa
aparthei.
3. Finally Bin Laden is dead, and Gadafi too.
US Army dont need anymore in war for some interest.
4. Are 400.000 israeli protester in Israel antisemitic
too?

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By heterochromatic, October 20, 2011 at 10:52 am Link to this comment

Dillon, what do YOU make of omop’s little contribution?

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By heterochromatic, October 20, 2011 at 10:50 am Link to this comment

omop, I think that we can agree that “Rabbi Dov Fischer, an attorney
and a member of the Jewish Community Relations Committee of the
Jewish Federation of Los Angeles.” etc etc speaks for ALL American Jews ....every
bit as much as Pat Robertson speaks for ALL Christian Americans when he said
(and he’s VERY influential and not at all obscure.He’s the founder of the Christian
Broadcast Network !!!)

that the earthquake in Haiti that killed 100,000 Haitians was because Haitians
“swore a pact to the devil.”.

D-O-L-T not QED

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By omop, October 20, 2011 at 10:19 am Link to this comment

A pro-Israel pronouncement that overshadows “the smearing of
protesters”

Quote from a 2002 issue of ” The Forward ” entitled “We’re Right, the
Whole World’s Wrong,” it is written by Rabbi Dov Fischer, an attorney
and a member of the Jewish Community Relations Committee of the
Jewish Federation of Los Angeles.

  Rabbi Fischer is also national vice president of the Zionist Organization
of America. He is thus not an obscure or semi-literate scribbler, but
rather an influential Jewish community figure. And this piece did not
appear in some marginal periodical, but rather in what is perhaps the
most literate and thoughtful Jewish weekly in America, and certainly one
of the most influential.

In his essay, Rabbi Fischer tells readers: “If we Jews are anything, we are
a people of history … Our history provides the strength to know that
we can be right and the whole world wrong.”

QED, hey.

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By C.Curtis.Dillon, October 20, 2011 at 10:03 am Link to this comment

heterochromatic:

I was home 2+ years ago and saw little of this rage against all Jews you talk about. I did see growing frustration with the Israeli government and with our government’s blind support for their policies. I was heartily encouraged by the demonstrations this summer throughout the holy land but was troubled that none of the demonstrators included the non-Jewish Israelis nor the plight of the Palestinians in their demands. And I was also bothered (and continue to be so) that a majority of the country supports the hardline positions. But one has to be very careful in drawing connecting lines between liberal’s condemnation of the government and other Jews. I think this is being overplayed by the right as a way of isolating and destroying liberals. That’s wrong. There has always been a natural affinity between liberals and their Jewish counterparts. What’s happening in Israel is causing all of us to question that relationship and that is unfortunate.

I know there are Jews who oppose their government’s policies and I extend all support to them in their lonely attempts to get things turned around. Someone on this thread suggested a Jewish peace group join the OWS protests ... that might be a way of getting the movement to also focus on this crazy relationship between Israel and the US.

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By heterochromatic, October 20, 2011 at 9:42 am Link to this comment

C.Curtis.Dillon,
I’m sure there’s anti-Semitism in all political groups but OM implies that only the
left is anti-Semitic and that’s false. His side of the fence has a virulent strain too
but he refuses to admit it.—-
—-

I mostly agree with what you’re saying but would be so bold as to suggest that in
the years since you’ve gone rage against Israel’s heavy-handed and larcenous
policies and the ugly-minded members of the Israeli cabinet has engendered a
rather ugly little strain of anti-Semitism among the more doltish leftists who have
trouble distinguishing between Israeli reactionaries and Jews in general.

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By Blueokie, October 20, 2011 at 9:30 am Link to this comment

Israel is the Empire’s chief collaborator in the Middle East, as evidenced by Pres.
Wall Street Puppet’s two week effort of being and ‘honest broker’ before he and
Saint Hillary re-established Israel’s carte blanche war on Palestinians.  Naturally
anything that questions the Empire can be therefore be twisted into charges of
anti-semitism, because anything that could be a threat to the empire also
threatens the current Israeli government.    As for racism in the Tea Baggers, it
probably wasn’t a major part of the “movement” in the beginning, but as they
allowed themselves to be co-opted by the Koch brothers and their functionaries, it
has become part of their mantra of victimization.  Anyone who doesn’t believe this
should, as J Garofalo says, look for themselves on an upcoming episode of ‘I Didn’t
Know I Was Pregnant’.  As that goes, what would the reaction of the Empires
police forces be if the occupiers were as armed to the teeth as the tea baggers are
when they show up for their choreographed bund meetings?

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By C.Curtis.Dillon, October 20, 2011 at 9:10 am Link to this comment

heterochromatic:

I’m sure there’s anti-Semitism in all political groups but OM implies that only the left is anti-Semitic and that’s false. His side of the fence has a virulent strain too but he refuses to admit it. It has only been 6 years since I left the good old US of A and, with rare exception, the anti-Semitism I saw there came mostly from the right. The anti-Semitism on the left is, for the most part, the right’s attempt to paint the left for their non-support and open criticism of what is happening in Israel now. If that’s the case, than please add me to that list because I think what they are doing to the people of Gaza and the West Bank is criminal or worse.

As for Ukraine, how would you know what type of anti-Semitism exists here? If you go by the western press, you’d most likely be wrong. Jews did quite well here and, for the most part, were not bothered during the Soviet time. Only those who wanted to leave the country were ostracized and the same treatment was accorded anyone who wanted to leave. Since the fall there has been much less ill treatment. The only problems I’m aware of comes from skin heads and neo-nazis on the right.

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By heterochromatic, October 20, 2011 at 8:30 am Link to this comment

Dillon, saying that the Jews you’ve known are mostly leftist is not a good argument
for saying that there isn’t anti-Semitism on the left.  rather a bad argument, in
fact.

could be that living in the Ukraine, which has a long tradition of anti-Semitism of
the most virulent type, has left you somewhat indifferent to the milder, non-“club
‘em like baby seals” type that shows up in the Western world.

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By Leefeller, October 20, 2011 at 7:18 am Link to this comment

Ozark Michael cherry picks and makes sure to utilize his myopic comprehension inability of discernment to twist anything he dust not find palatable.

Obvious attempts to discredit Occupy Wall Street by any means available will continue. The Inequality brought to attention has the some of the so called 1 percent in a tizzy. 

Plus Tea Party folks are upset because they are not getting the usual excessive media coverage as the 27 percent public approval rate they are used to!

Inequality is a people issue, this is an all the people issue, the 99 percent issue. Like it or not Koch Brothers Tea Party.

One person, one dollar, one vote!

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By C.Curtis.Dillon, October 20, 2011 at 7:09 am Link to this comment

OW:

Have at it. I live in Ukraine so go for that lawsuit if you dare. Oh ... also I’m dirt poor so all you would get is the dirt from my shoes. Hardly worth the effort, don’t you think? And he puffs up about free speech and then threatens me with a lawsuit after I exercise said right. So like someone from the ‘right’.

As for “free speech”, there is a prohibition against shouting “FIRE” in a crowded theatre for obvious reasons. There is also a societal prohibition against bigoted language (thus the ‘anti-semitic’ accusation against anyone who even looks the wrong way) and that too carries some responsibility for its use. But, since there isn’t a court that adjudicates such usage, we are left to simply point out the misuse of the ‘anti-semitic’ charge as OWS is doing. You may rant all you want about my aims and intentions but calling those in OWS as being anti-semitic is one place where someone needs to cry foul ... which I have done. And I point out one issue that no one has made yet ... how do we know that those offensive signs weren’t made by these groups that are now calling out OWS for being anti-Semitic? I have no way of knowing their origin and, quite frankly, neither do you. It would be very easy to make the signs, hold them up to be photographed and then scream that there is bigotry in the movement. In my humble opinion, this is just a tempest in a teapot created by those who would like to discredit the movement (like OM).

It is also to be called out that the ‘right’ lays claim to the KKK plus it derivatives and to the many militias that also spew truly violent anti-Semitic language. To equate the left with anti-Semitism is truly interesting. Most of the jews I’ve known over the years have been lefties. Need I point out the work of jews in the labor movement along with the civil rights efforts. OW is just trying that old technique of calling up as down and left as right. Sorry ... for this old guy that doesn’t fly.

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By heterochromatic, October 20, 2011 at 6:46 am Link to this comment

@OzMike…....”
Which you immediately passed off as a joke.”


I think you should re-read my comment to/ about the person.


I think that it would be fairer to think that I passed the commenter off as a joke.

(read my last line of my comment again)

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By heterochromatic, October 20, 2011 at 6:41 am Link to this comment

drbhelthi,
——In the USA, any special attention given to religious groups or individuals, who
call
themselves Jews, should be given equally to each and every other religious group
and
individual.——-


that of course makes absolutely no sense at all. the “media” is free to decide for
itself what it wishes to report.

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By drbhelthi, October 20, 2011 at 5:57 am Link to this comment

@ C.Curtis.Dillon

Obviously, he who refutes Carte Blanche to anyone who claims to be a “Jew” is labelled “anti- semitic” by the demonic-types among them.  Which is why demonic, Zionist-types exert great effort to dispute the Hebrew scholars who provide some clarity to the concepts of Jew, Semite, and miscegenation. 

As far as a few bloggers on Truthdig calling other bloggers anti-semitic, I tend to think that most of us recognize it simply as “favored child” behavior.  Prejudiced folk who call up their standard defense when they are not granted something they are trying to steal, or when attempting to dominate.  Similar to the Israeli-Palestinian situation.  These people were told too many times in childhood, “It´s O.K. honey, (s)he dislikes you because you are a Jew,” absolving responsibility.  Of course, their shamans continue to infuse the idea of “God´s Chosen” that existed before the “Veil of the Inner Temple” was torn into pieces by unseen forces, as recorded by their scribes.

Regarding the OWS situation, USGOV moles were involved from the outset.  The following link provides info on one specific State Department mole-type.  There are others, who have not been identified, who are “taking names,” CIA dupes from the NYPD, for example.
http://truthalliance.net/Archive/News/tabid/67/ID/8334/Default.aspx

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By OzarkMichael, October 20, 2011 at 5:31 am Link to this comment

ccdillon said:

In this case, those who are throwing the accusation are doing so for their own political reasons and they know it. We should call them on it and not allow it to continue.

The threat of ‘we should call them on it’ is fine. Have at it.

The threat of ‘not allow them to continue’ is pure Leftist agitprop. Shut down free speech much?

I save your worst for last:

As we all know, many bankers are jews (though not all of them as OM and others have pointed out over and over)

I have never said any such thing. If I knew who you were I would take you to court for putting such terrible words in my mouth.

Your entire post was shot through with lies and phony posturing, but that last statement of yours crossed the line.

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By OzarkMichael, October 20, 2011 at 5:19 am Link to this comment

@heterochromatic.

Immediately after your comment excusing anti-semitism at OWS, our very own gerard, one of the big OWS supporters here said,

These black-hatted, long side-locked men are pathetic!  Doesn’t anybody relate to that fact? Males predominate. They all dress alike, look alike, talk alike, act alike and are narrowly interested in disturbing the peace wherever they see that peace might be making gains.


Which you immediately passed off as a joke. You dont know it yet, but there is a great deal of antisemitism in the Left, and it is evidenced here on Truthdig regularly.

‘If’n I was you, I wouldn’t be betting the
farm that a big bunch’ of Leftist folks who use well warn stereotypes(they are all alike!), slurs, and accusations against Jewish people arent antisemetic.

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Re: By C.Curtis.Dillon, October 20 at 4:09

C.Cutis.Dillon,
This is an excellent post and I agree with you 100%.

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By Anarcissie, October 20, 2011 at 4:55 am Link to this comment

OWS has gained enough traction to come in for some serious calumny, although the present stuff doesn’t rise to level of what was aimed at the Civil Rights movement.

One of the problems of having an open (dis)organization is that it’s very easy for provocateurs and saboteurs—and self-starting trolls—to insert themselves temporarily.  If your enemies are sufficiently powerful and wealthy, they can send many such agents.  Hence, in the past, activist organizations have tended to be closed and disciplined, and directed by great leaders and core groups (a solution to the problem which has vulnerabilities of its own).

But maybe OWS will discover some other sort of defense.  I guess we’ll see.

If the calumnies scare off the Democrats and other would-be coopters, they may actually do some good.  On the other hand, the logic implied by the present calumniators, ‘banks -> Jews’ or ‘anti-war -> anti-Israel -> anti-Semitic’, is not a kind of thinking I would want to advance.

In any case, if the Civil Rights, feminist, labor, anti-war and Gay liberation movements are any guide, you aint seen nothin yet in the way of calumny.

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By C.Curtis.Dillon, October 20, 2011 at 4:09 am Link to this comment

OM will disapprove but what the hell, you only live once. OM labels anyone who disagrees with him a ‘lefty’ so that doesn’t mean much. But, here goes:

First, some background. My college roommate for 2 years was a jew from Chicago. One of the ushers at my first wedding was also a jew. I’ve had several jewish business partners and had both worked for and managed folks who called themselves jews. I’ve had jewish friends throughout my life. And my second wife, who has been married 3 times, had jewish first and second husbands. I have always had excellent relationships with jews and hold no bad feelings towards them. So, I do not consider myself an anti-Semitic bigot by any stretch.

Within that context, I’ve found jews to be hardnosed and even ruthless businessmen who would use whatever tools were at their disposal to confront a problem. I’ve certainly been in the room when one of my business partners threw out the anti-Semitic bomb when he though it might strengthen his bargaining position. Using that accusation automatically changes the rules of the game. AIPAC and other jewish lobbying organizations know this and use it quite effectively. So, we’ve got a movement that is making great headway and it’s primary target in Wall Street. As we all know, many bankers are jews (though not all of them as OM and others have pointed out over and over) and I’m sure, without any doubt, that they see this movement as a threat to their power and influence. What better way to discredit the movement than to throw out the anti-Semitic bomb? Especially when you can point to instances where someone is carrying a sign that has such undertones. You can automatically count on these PAC organizations plus you bought and paid for politicians to immediately jump on the bandwagon. You can also count on your friends in the evangelical Christian community to start bleating in unison to the same tune. But what is most insidious is the group being accused of the transgression is now put on the defensive, forced to prove they are not being anti-Semitic. The accuser is not required to show proof of anything. Thus you see many now being forced to defend the movement while the accusers simply level the same accusation over and over with little proof other than a few pictures of signs.

Anti-Semitism is wrong. So is bigotry of any kind. There needs to be a strong response from the community to shout down this behavior. But throwing around the accusation of anti-Semitism is equally reprehensible. It’s use should be restricted to only those cases where blatant bigotry can be shown. In this case, those who are throwing the accusation are doing so for their own political reasons and they know it. We should call them on it and not allow it to continue. OWS is a movement against the greed on Wall Street and the corruption of our political process. If a few jews happen to be caught in that blinding light, so be it. They are guilty of crimes against this country and its people. They are being called out for those crimes, not their religious heritage. To accuse OWS of anything beyond that is hypocritical.

I know OM ... I’m being anti-Semitic.

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By dsmith, October 20, 2011 at 3:54 am Link to this comment
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With all of the jewish hawks calling for war with Iran, why aren’t these two young men, pictured above, in military uniforms ready to give their lives to enable the neocons wet dream to refashion the middle east?

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By drbhelthi, October 20, 2011 at 2:09 am Link to this comment

In the USA, any special attention given to religious groups or individuals, who call
themselves Jews, should be given equally to each and every other religious group and
individual.

That would require quite a bit of media space, in order to provide religious equality. 

The situation would be more equitable, to give no “religious” grouping any special attention in the media.

Or, anywhere.

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By NZDoug, October 19, 2011 at 11:27 pm Link to this comment

It might just be some Halloween schmengies.

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By heterochromatic, October 19, 2011 at 9:56 pm Link to this comment

gerard,,, how dare you!!!!!! leave the Amish alone.


go back to interfering with the sheep.

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By larrypsy, October 19, 2011 at 9:46 pm Link to this comment

The Jewish Voice for Peace should join The Occupy
Wall Street Protest.

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By gerard, October 19, 2011 at 9:45 pm Link to this comment

These black-hatted, long side-locked men are pathetic!  Doesn’t anybody relate to that fact? Males predominate. They all dress alike, look alike, talk alike, act alike and are narrowly interested in disturbing the peace wherever they see that peace might be making gains.
  They have “spiels” standardized to fit a narrow doctrine; they accuse, shout, threaten and rabble-rouse.
  They think they have a holy mission to perform their narrow task in its narrow way, and hope to leave behind unproven accusations that those they attack are “anti-Semitic.” 
  They particularly seem to pick on groups of people from various walks of life and various political and religious backgrounds who are together trying to understand each other better, and make some move toward change based on mutual understanding.
  If they were primarily interested in defending Jews and the Jewish religious faith, they would realize that their trouble-making tactics are actually repulsive, and anti-Jewish insofar as they are against intellectual freedom and not interested in permissively broad research, scholarship and coming to reasoned conclusions based on knowledge.
  They need, thrive on, and enjoy publicity based on sewing seeds of dissent.
  These conclusions are based on personal experience, limited, but more than most people have had.

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By heterochromatic, October 19, 2011 at 9:14 pm Link to this comment

@ OzMike, I am new to these here parts, but if’n I was you, I wouldn’t be betting the
farm that a big bunch of old white folks that go around calling Obama a Nigerian
Muslim and insisting that Mexicans are coming here and destroying America ain’t
got a fair bunch of racists.

Now, that sure doesn’t serve to say that the entire bunch is racist, and it sure
doesn’t excuse the kind of sloppy thinking and generally halfwittedness that divides
everything up into “we’re always right and you’re always wrong” ...but let’s neither of
us get involved putting lipstick on some old Know-Nothings.

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