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Police Respond With Aggression to Wall Street Protests

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Posted on Sep 25, 2011
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Signs expressing the frustrations of anti-corporate protesters are splayed across the ground in Lower Manhattan on Saturday afternoon.

Protesters claim 80 arrests were made Saturday as the occupation of Wall Street by scores of mostly young demonstrators turned violent, with police corralling, wrestling and appearing to pepper-spray participants. The arrests were made near Union Square after demonstrators made an impromptu march up Broadway in Lower Manhattan. The action can be seen in videos cropping up on YouTube.

WNYC radio reported that the arrests were mostly for “disorderly conduct, obstructing vehicular and pedestrian traffic, resisting arrest and, in one case, assaulting a police officer, the police said.”

In response to the aggressive tactics used by police, organizers of the protest on their website Sunday demanded the arrest of one officer and the resignation of Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly. —ARK

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Tensions are rising at the Occupy Wall Street protest, currently in its eighth day, as organizers for the protest claim that 80 have been arrested. Eyewitness accounts report that “dozens” have been arrested. Police would not confirm the exact number. Videos and eyewitness accounts show violent clashing between protesters and the police.

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By Gabriel, September 27, 2011 at 3:04 pm Link to this comment

@ KP

Let me enlighten you:
</b>Templars</b> / Freemasons / Illuminati / business / corporations are a Military hierarchic religious system with high level of compartmentalization. Step out of line and go above someone’s head and your job, lifestyle and whatever else is at risk.

An American or </b>Sovereign on United States FOR America</b>, The Land, is a Sovereign Republic in it’s self. This means they are a King or a Queen and do as they wish with the knowledge they acquired.

“Jobs” are meant to be temporary til such time as you are established as a Sovereign.

Sovereign means that you have the education to run your own affairs in all areas, you have at least 1/4 section of land per Free individual fully paid for and have claimed the rights to all facets of it, you are fully self sufficient in all areas and can live off the land you live on. Anyone providing a “service” is temporarily your slave: this includes cops, sheriffs, government officials or whomever.

“work” is defined as something done for yourself, and not as a job for a business or corporation. It is a nontaxable thing.
“Job” on the other-hand is for a business or corporation which belongs to Admiralty Law / Law of the Seas. See Templars above.

“protest” is a test for a “pro”, an eventual yes to whatever the plan is. Lawfully it’s a 3 day term to “test” the validity of that thing being protested. It is not a demonstration, rejection, descent, rebellion, abolition or any other thing.

The way you worded your questions is a breach of privacy and a shill game to gain information on visitors here.
Therefore your questions are irrelevant and none of your business.

You might want to learn from http://www.lawfulrebellion.org/ and any other such related sites what this is really about.
Once you learn then maybe you can rephrase your questions to Lawful ones.

If you want to help then your first step is to learn your Rights, Sovereign Rights, Universal Rights and all the Natural Rights you were born with. Once you learn you will have no problems finding the answers to your questions anyway. smile

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By Alan Lunn, September 27, 2011 at 10:34 am Link to this comment

While I applaud the demonstrations (are there 2000 or
200 and if 80 were arrested that leaves 120?), part
of the corporate-regime-managing-our-democracy-
problem is that money is controlling our politics. We
have “taxation without representation” because our
representatives are hustling for dollars daily at the
Congressional Seat Auction House. Obama has to bow to
bp and Goldman. And a foreign trader just said that
“Goldman Sachs rules the world” while he was praying
for another recession so he could make more money.

Part of the demonstration we need, on a massive
scale, is for 1/3 of Americans to stand up and say,
“No more.” Even the Tea Party types who claim they
are against “crony capitalism” must understand that
these demonstrations are about that very thing they
say they are against. We have a bought government
that does not work any more, except for a few uber-
rich folks, certainly not for us or this next
generation. It’s time for a constitutional convention
and a makeover of our polluted government system that
is poisoned by money, bribery, and a barely visible
corruption that is now endemic and self-destructive.

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By Anarcissie, September 27, 2011 at 8:47 am Link to this comment

KP—I live in New York City, and do moneywork part-time.  I also have some income and net worth derived from past work.  Some might say I’m ‘retired’, but I’m actually busier now than when I was theoretically employed full-time.  As it happens, I have visited the Wall Street Occupation at times when I could have with a full-time job, however, twice after five p.m. on a working day and once on Sunday.

However, you do point up an important problem.  Wage slaves these days, mostly lacking unions, are largely neutralized politically.  Not only do their jobs, plus their commuting, plus their duty to spend hours at the mall buying crap, use up a lot of their time, any kind of connection with radicalism or an arrest could lose them their jobs.  In the present economic climate, that could mean other losses, like loss of one’s house, medical insurance, position in one’s community and so on.

So it’s up to those not yet strapped to middle-class, middle-aged life, and those who have been through the mill and come out the other side, and the few who have been tough enough to stay off the leash all their lives (not me!), to carry on the battle.  You can support us, though.  Or whatever you believe in.  What do you believe in?

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By Jason Pacifico, September 27, 2011 at 8:33 am Link to this comment
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The protestors should move the protest to the New York Times building at 620 Eighth Avenue (between 40th and 41st), and hang the Nobel Prize economist Paul Krugman in effagy, who defends, justifies and narrativly “economizes” this system.  A better “demonstration” demonstrably then the one in Michael Moore movie “Capitalism a Love Story.”

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By Gabriel, September 27, 2011 at 3:00 am Link to this comment

@ Anarcissie - that’s very good , keep it up.

While you’re doing your media hog show there are 1,000’s of PPL pulling or suspending corrupt cop’s judge’s and corporate bonds so they can’t work or do more damage, discharging debt, building communities as I previously mentioned, developing sustainable non-polluting tech, practicing permaculture, recycling pollution and converting it to inert usable materials, teaching children how to survive in any situations, and just being a royal pain to powers that be. When the cities become locked down martial law prisons then you’ll be coming to us for your food, clothing, and other resources ... if you can ever get out without being shot.

Remember that very well. Also remember the ruling class has a plan to exterminate 99% of world’s population:
http://www.thegeorgiaguidestones.com/Message.htm

Your actions make it easier for us to prepare and to gain more of an upper hand over corporate idiots and their plan.
Thank you wink

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By KP, September 26, 2011 at 8:20 pm Link to this comment
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Anarcissie, John R, David, Gabriel—like I asked Steve—help us understand—how do you afford time away from work to protest in the streets? Is your home or rental at risk? Do you have student loans? Does your wife or significant other miss you? How do you feed your children? Please expalin so that you can help us find the courage to leave our students, our jobs, our patients, our wives and children, default on loans and jepordize careers in order to assist you.

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By Anarcissie, September 26, 2011 at 5:49 pm Link to this comment

Gabriel—I’m going down there with supplies while you’re b.s.-ing on a blog.  Just let us know when your truck in going to show up.

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By Gabriel, September 26, 2011 at 11:28 am Link to this comment

Anarcissie - according to Law “We the People” have the Right to bear Arms and shoot/kill/depose any Treasonous individuals that are against the US for A.

Businesses have stolen 100’s of Trillions [that’s with a big T] in the last 10 yrs from Americans and much more in resources. Much more since start of US for A ... like 1,000’s of Trillions and close to total destruction of this planet.

They have systematically killed 1,000’s per yr in many dubious ways in that same time and continue to do so. Whether it be hospitals, old age homes, big Pharma, their sale of illegal drugs, accidents, promotion of smoking, pollution, dirty cops, prisons, unjust wars, assassinations etc. etc.

So what is your problem with my comments?

It’s a wonder all the investors, owners and complicit in this Major Super Mafia Wall St. SCAM are not being hanged or crucified right now. It’s wonder they not being pulled out of their mansions and shot on the spot.

If Americans weren’t such pussies the ruling class would not have gotten such a corrupt hold on you.

This is only the start. What’s coming is the total destruction of the ruling class, no matter which DUMB’s [Deep Underground Military Bunkers] they hide in. History repeats it’s self as it did about 12,500 yrs ago, 26,000 yrs ago and so on, going back about 120,000 yrs.

This time around it’s different as we have help from our Galactic neighbors. But, you scoff at this, since you’re not willing to do your research and put the fragments of History together, nor are you willing to learn what’s going on today in the background globally.

Too bad, your loss.

You live in a city that’s virtually a polluted prison, as most cities are, and you don’t even see it or the level of imprisonment you are in. If you ever watched Zombie movies, the ruling class is telling you that’s who you are to them. You should be ashamed for making such frivolous statements.

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By DavidByron, September 26, 2011 at 8:37 am Link to this comment

“violent clashing between”

LOL what an “unbiased” symmetric description.  I’m sure the non-violent and unarmed protesters were at least 50% of the problem when faced with thugs armed to the teeth and seeking to assault them.

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By Anarcissie, September 26, 2011 at 7:40 am Link to this comment

Gabriel—I’m working not far from the Occupation today, so I’ll walk down there later and let them know you’re arriving soon with a convoy of rusty trucks full of junk.  I’m sure they’ll be thrilled.  Should I let the cops know, too?  What time should they expect your arrival?

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By David, September 26, 2011 at 7:29 am Link to this comment
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Few poeple, (especially the police) realize that the Police salaries are paid for by the very people that are protesting, and not the Corporate Banksters who pass on any taxes from doing buisness to the consumer. Banks do not pay taxes,.their customers do,..you know the people with the signs that are walking up the street are the folks who feed the Poilce officers family.  Financial Speculation Taxes (FST’s) are often never collected or are passed on to the consumer. http://www.truth-out.org/why-dont-deficit-hawks-want-tax-wall-street/1317044046

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By Gabriel, September 26, 2011 at 7:26 am Link to this comment

There’s a principal in War that many don’t talk about. It is the principal of taking the best from an old system and designing a new.
To take it further, one can look at ALL systems and take the best to created new.
This also involves ignoring the old once you have a full plan. To fight the old is futile as it’s so well ingrained.

But if you do want to restructure or decimate the old give it what most hurts it while taking away the most it depends on:
- Business is setup to reap and make garbage. So give it it’s garbage back: 100,000 or more scrap cars, tractors and trucks to block Wall St. = done, totally shut down. Add old printers, computers, all manner of dead electronics, plastic and rest of trash and they’d totally freak.
- Return all those Mega Tons of pollution back to business. Drop it off on and in their gated communities wink They will drown in it.

While this is in play create a clean, natural, land air and water reclaiming system that will replenish the Earth. We have the knowledge and tech already. We have had it all along since ancient days.
Build strong close communities on truth, where shills are not welcome and actually rejected.
Study til you find the fundamental basic truths and expand on them to Universal Laws. This knowledge must be available to everyone and without restriction.
ie. no more patents and copyright or any destructive control systems.

We have the knowledge and power to implement this ... so let’s use it.

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By Anarcissie, September 26, 2011 at 5:01 am Link to this comment

Before one can do anything, it is necessary to break the power of the goddess TINA, the conviction that nothing can be done, that history has effectively ended.

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By John R., September 25, 2011 at 9:18 pm Link to this comment

@ Robespierre115

“Neo, there’s a difference between knowing the path… and walking the path”

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By Robespierre115, September 25, 2011 at 8:50 pm Link to this comment

@John R., a lot of the demands make absolute sense, but again, as long as there are no popular movements threatening the state itself, nothing is going to change. The current, oligarch state is not going to simply behave and carry out these changes because some groups are sitting around Wall Street demanding it but without any sort of serious organizing. Yes, revolutionary change takes sacrifice, even when it is nonviolent, in India many also died while fighting nonviolently with Gandhi, that’s what struggle and sacrifice entail. And even Gandhi warned his followers that to really learn, “your skulls will have to be bashed open.” He wrote over 100 key works with quite a lot of interesting quotes. I understand people want to be comfortable and not risk having their noses broken, but then don’t expect any radical change in your lifetime.

Again, the wise words of Slavoj Zizek:

http://www.lrb.co.uk/2011/08/19/slavoj-zizek/shoplifters-of-the-world-unite

“Today’s left faces the problem of ‘determinate negation’: what new order should replace the old one after the uprising, when the sublime enthusiasm of the first moment is over? In this context, the manifesto of the Spanish indignados, issued after their demonstrations in May, is revealing. The first thing that meets the eye is the pointedly apolitical tone: ‘Some of us consider ourselves progressive, others conservative. Some of us are believers, some not. Some of us have clearly defined ideologies, others are apolitical, but we are all concerned and angry about the political, economic and social outlook that we see around us: corruption among politicians, businessmen, bankers, leaving us helpless, without a voice.’ They make their protest on behalf of the ‘inalienable truths that we should abide by in our society: the right to housing, employment, culture, health, education, political participation, free personal development and consumer rights for a healthy and happy life.’ Rejecting violence, they call for an ‘ethical revolution. Instead of placing money above human beings, we shall put it back to our service. We are people, not products. I am not a product of what I buy, why I buy and who I buy from.’ Who will be the agents of this revolution? The indignados dismiss the entire political class, right and left, as corrupt and controlled by a lust for power, yet the manifesto nevertheless consists of a series of demands addressed at – whom? Not the people themselves: the indignados do not (yet) claim that no one else will do it for them, that they themselves have to be the change they want to see. And this is the fatal weakness of recent protests: they express an authentic rage which is not able to transform itself into a positive programme of sociopolitical change. They express a spirit of revolt without revolution.”

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By John R., September 25, 2011 at 6:37 pm Link to this comment

@ Robespierre115

I nearly forgot.

These are the official demands of the Wall Street Occupation.

All Truthdiggers - please read all proposals - and, if you have suggestions please
comment - then vote.

Knowledge comes from all walks of life. Please help up balance the scale.

http://coupmedia.org/occupywallstreet/occupy-wall-street-official-demands-
2009/pdf

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By KP, September 25, 2011 at 6:15 pm Link to this comment
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@ Steve E—help us understand—how do you afford time away from work to protest in the streets? Is your home at risk? Do you have student loans? Does your wife or significant other miss you? How do you feed your children? Please expalin so that we can find the courage to leave our students, our patients, our wives and children, default on loans and jepordize careers in order to assist you.

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By John R., September 25, 2011 at 5:10 pm Link to this comment

@ Robespierre115

My personal goals and my presence at this protest are not to convince you. You, the one that believes a clear
idea can be implemented to overthrow a government with the most
technologically advanced weapons on this planet (that we know of). And
possibly the largest network of spies in the world.

But you already know this, don’t you.

I’m sure you realize war would cost many lives as well (don’t you care about the families of the teenagers and the adults at this protest?)

War is raged by non-spiritual beings.

Something in my mind is telling me that you believe lives are expendable.

How many are dead in Latin America and Egypt due to their style of protesting?

Ghandi wrote about violent protest.

http://www.ccsf.edu/Resources/VOICE/instructorslessonplans/individualrights
/gandhi/reading.pdf

“Real movements ready to “take” power”

No one at this movement in N.Y. that I have spoken to, is interested in taking power from the U.S. government.

Has someone misinformed you about this protest?

I’m a little shocked at your statement. I have read many of your posts and in the past have agreed with many of your ideas. But when it comes to leading a peaceful protest, neither I, nor you, are qualified.

You can continue to reply with your armchair quarterback posts. Which is fine with me. I have learned from you. But please do not expect us to use violence on a system that could easily employ a well geared National Guard, and police force that could sweep the area in a matter of minutes. Ending what progress we have made.

We are doing the best that we can in a non-violent way, choosing to remain in satyagrapha, as a true leader Mahatma Ghandi once instructed.

This protest is the attempt to gain recognition. With hope, and continued occupation, possibly the corporate owned media news will start coverage on it, or be forced to, because it cannot be ignored.

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By Anarcissie, September 25, 2011 at 4:39 pm Link to this comment

There are not too many people on line down at Liberty Street.  I saw only four or five computers this afternoon, which I think are being used for outbound media rather than blogging.  So if you want to give the Occupiers advice, you probably need to get down there.  I’m not sure who you’d give it to, though.

There has been some discussion of the lack of a concrete list of demands, other than a rather broad one of getting Wall Street and the corps out of the government.  The is a set of pages on nycga.cc where you can vote on various proposed demands, for example, ‘Bring all U.S. troops home’ and ‘Rescind corporate personhood’ (or something like that).

I think the corruption and deterioration of the U.S. is so pervasive and deep that it is hard to formulate any substantial plan without going off into deeply radical territory, which at this point will scare most people.  So, as you can see from the existing demands on the aforesaid website, there is a curious mix of earnest liberal social democracy, socialism, and anarchism.  First the idea of the movement, I guess; then, the details.

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By Steve E, September 25, 2011 at 4:33 pm Link to this comment

If anyone thinks the establishment isn’t worried sick this might escalate into a full
blown movement they are mistaken. The corporatists will do whatever it takes to
stop any escalation. My money is on the majority of the gutless population looking
the other way.

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By zonth_zonth, September 25, 2011 at 4:10 pm Link to this comment

Good on you John R.
Cliff, I am getting nice coverage of it here in Australia.  I was wondering if the blockheads—couric, brian williams, lester etc would be highlighting the events.  Well really, I knew they wouldnt.

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By DeyNische, September 25, 2011 at 3:39 pm Link to this comment
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@ Robespierre115

The vague demands are a concern for me too, but it’s nonetheless a unifying peaceful fight against those who are using monies to shape the political weather which should actually belong to the peoples.

I feel that if they became too specific, then they wouldn’t be 99%. The vagueness is on purpose. Without it, somebody in power will find a way to utilize the protest for a purpose other than for the people who struggle day to day with a never ending pile of bills.

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By vcubed, September 25, 2011 at 3:38 pm Link to this comment
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No matter what government we overthrow or put in place, if in the end, all cater
to the same multinational corporations and to profits over people in general,
outcomes won’t change. All the major corporations share board members.
Attacking one won’t impact the rest. Their profits just get shuffled into another
corporation or subsidiary.

Occupying Wall St is brilliant, it gets to the heart of the beast. My fears are: That
they’ll be annihilated, of course, by the police whose real primary job is to
protect corporate interests - whether they themselves know it or not - and that,
if the protest “succeeds”, the corporations will simply go underground and
operate like the crime syndicates they truly are.

Either way, nothing beats a failure but a try, and to believe even the most
significant change is permanent and that we can then rest and ignore politics
and economics is the most destructive of delusions. Even in successful
revolutions, it’s the hope that we can stop working against these
overwhelmingly powerful forces that undermine our lasting success.

In the end, democracy works only as well as its people keep working for it. We
WILL serve somebody, as Bob Dylan sang, so we may as well decide: Will we
work for democracy, or capitalism? Like it or not, they are mutually exclusive.

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By Robespierre115, September 25, 2011 at 2:19 pm Link to this comment

“Join us, push Wall street out of government.

Wall street owes the citizens of America over 700 Billion.

What did the citizens get? They got their houses taken from them, they were laid off from their jobs.

Stop talking, join us, go there now.”


The problem with your rhetoric, and this is the same problem movements are having in Europe, is that you’re not proposing a clear idea how to overthrow the corporate control of government or what to replace it with. These protests are justified but this postmodern, apolitical attitude is what keeps it from achieving anything. Real change won’t come if all you do is occupy a square and ask the fatcats to change for you. In Egypt the people were fighting in the streets to OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT. This is where we should learn from our brothers and sisters in Latin America where uprisings in Bolivia, Venezuela, Argentina, Ecuador etc., produced real movements ready to take power.

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By Cliff Carson, September 25, 2011 at 2:15 pm Link to this comment

I was wondering when the MSM was going to cover this put down of concerned American Citizens.  Now in its 8th day ( I think) I have yet to see anything of substance about it on ABC,NBC,CBS, or CNN.

Why do you think the Media is not covering this like they cover the Middle East riots?

Will the police start killing protesters here?

Or will they open up the prisons built during the Bush run - built specifically for this purpose?

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By expat, September 25, 2011 at 1:04 pm Link to this comment
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How anyone can claim ameriKa as as anything remotely resembling a free country is beyond me…  thru this and many other examples, i.e death sentence if you’re black and evidence is sketchy, free pass to rape if you’re jewish strauss kahn and the evidence is solid, etc, etc…

this is tyranny pure and simple, you don’t have the right to protest the icon of vulture capitalism.

so-called elections are completely rigged and mean nothing…


what’s needed is not protests but REVOLUTION.

Refreshing Jefferson’s Tree of Liberty.

Now.

no mercy for the vermin nor the pigs.

treason to the ideals of Liberty is worthy of nothing but death.


“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable”—JFK

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By Anarcissie, September 25, 2011 at 12:42 pm Link to this comment

Live stream from Liberty Street:
http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution

Demands of Occupy Wall Street, and other material:
http://nycga.cc/

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By John R., September 25, 2011 at 12:23 pm Link to this comment

@ berniem

Please forgive me - I have been up all night, am very tired.

I think your comment is for the police.

If so - I agree.

Sincerely

John R.

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By John R., September 25, 2011 at 12:15 pm Link to this comment

@ berniem

Your sarcasm is not welcome.

Our protest is for: the poor, the lower, and middle classes.

Our protest is for: the common people all over the world.

Our protest is for: the people in countries, where U.S. forces are occupying.

Our protest is against: The greed of corporations that leads to the destruction of
families all over the world.

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By berniem, September 25, 2011 at 11:44 am Link to this comment

TO SERVE AND PROTECT(wealth, power, and property)!

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By John R., September 25, 2011 at 11:10 am Link to this comment

The movement IS growing.

More boots on the ground and the disruption of Wall Street and the citizens that work there is necessary.

We will continue the occupation.

This is now a PERMANENT occupation.

We are organizing, and sending in more citizens.

FOOD and SUPPLIES are on the way.

Join us, push Wall street out of government.

Wall street owes the citizens of America over 700 Billion.

What did the citizens get? They got their houses taken from them, they were laid off from their jobs.

Stop talking, join us, go there now.

Make a difference.

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