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Note to Iran: U.S. Orders Up a Super Bunker-Buster

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“Bunker-buster” bombs are designed to burrow deep underground before detonating.

After deciding that its current arsenal lacks a non-nuclear bomb powerful enough to tear through 200 feet of mountaintop and obliterate Iran’s subterranean Fodrow nuclear enrichment facility, the Pentagon has asked Boeing Co. to make a conventional weapon equal to the task.

“The development of this weapon is not intended to send a signal to any one particular country,” Pentagon press secretary George Little reported. “It’s a capability we believe we need in our arsenal and will continue to invest in it.”

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The Wall Street Journal:

The Defense Department has spent about $330 million so far to develop about 20 of the bombs, which are built by Boeing Co. The Pentagon is seeking about $82 million more to make the bomb more effective, according to government officials briefed on the plan.

Some experts question if any kind of conventional explosives are capable of reaching facilities such as those built deep underground in Iran. But U.S. defense officials say they believe the MOP [Massive Ordnance Penetrator] could already do damage sufficient to set back the program.

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, in an interview with The Wall Street Journal Thursday, acknowledged the bomb’s shortcomings against some of Iran’s deepest bunkers. He said more development work would be done and that he expected the bomb to be ready to take on the deepest bunkers soon.

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By IMax, February 4, 2012 at 4:35 pm Link to this comment

Real issues concerning real people.

A small but significant part of the overall human costs of the intifada.

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By heterochromatic, February 2, 2012 at 9:19 pm Link to this comment

and PitH—-you shoulda fixed the spelling of receives the second time
around….......Korky the Mad Editrix lurketh and lordy but we need not anyone else
pithing upon thee.

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By IMax, February 2, 2012 at 8:31 pm Link to this comment

With the exception of Iran and Syria, why is Hamas universally despised amongst Arab governments?

Israel sucks!

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By IMax, February 2, 2012 at 8:28 pm Link to this comment

Why are most world governments apprehensive about both India and Pakistan possessing Nuclear weapons?

Israel Sucks!

LMAO….......

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By heterochromatic, February 2, 2012 at 7:54 pm Link to this comment

sorry Pat but you seem never to have read the thing or understood the process
discussed in it.


keep trying, pal.

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By PatrickHenry, February 2, 2012 at 7:49 pm Link to this comment

tic,

As with all your posts you twist what is spelled out into something else and proffer yourself the intellectual.

“The fact that Israel has nukes, is not a signatory of the NPT and recieves US aid in violation of the Symington amendment”.

Israel didn’t violate anything, they were given the money, it is our congress which is in violation of US law.

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/gsmith.php?articleid=14229

You need to read the Symington Amendment and take a remedial reading and comprehension class.

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By heterochromatic, February 2, 2012 at 7:36 pm Link to this comment

Pat———you’ve clearly never read and understood the Symington Amendment if
you think that there’s an Israeli violation of same.


maybe your ignorance isn’t as much willful as much as just something that you’ve
never noticed…..... for obvious reason.

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By PatrickHenry, February 2, 2012 at 7:22 pm Link to this comment

Tic,

The fact that Israel has nukes, is not a signatory of the NPT and recieves US aid in violation of the Symington amendment is a waste of my taxes.

Willfully thick as well as ignorant.

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By heterochromatic, February 2, 2012 at 7:15 pm Link to this comment

Hey Pat—- I scanned some of that link, but didn’t see anything about how the US
taxpayer paid for Israel’s nukes.

you want to point out whatever shit you think you’ve found?
I don’t have time to read all the shit.

Have to watch Rachel Maddow,  My kid’s supposed to be on the show again.

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By PatrickHenry, February 2, 2012 at 7:05 pm Link to this comment

To the willfully ignorant.

http://original.antiwar.com/smith-grant/2010/05/09/declassified-gao-report/

Despite the fact that many countries do not wish Iran to have nuclear weapons, the same was said of India, Pakistan, N.Korea and Israel.

Israel can make its weakly threats against Iran but they can’t go it alone no matter how hard they try, they would be creamed and they know it.  It is only by the good graces of the US they get by today.

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By heterochromatic, February 2, 2012 at 6:49 pm Link to this comment

Pat—-I stand ever ready to ‘splain the facksOlife to you, so which part needs
‘splaining….the part where’s I tells ya that Israel developed nukes only after a
couple of invasions and wars waged to prevent or end Israel’s existence???

or is it ther part where I assert that it wasn’t US taxes that paid for Israeli’s nuclear
program?

Or was it the reference to the fact that Israel paid for its own program but got
French gov’t assistance?

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By IMax, February 2, 2012 at 6:47 pm Link to this comment

So, Pat, why has nearly the entire planet banned together to deny Iran its nuclear weapons ambitions?

Israel sucks!

Why has Russia and China each sanctioned Iran concerning its nuclear ambitions?

Israel sucks!

Why has the French government warned its people that a time may come to use force in preventing Iran from becoming a nuclear weapon state?

Israel sucks!

And Canada, Australia, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Egypt…?

Israel sucks!

So, Pat, how was your day and, is it cold there around your parts?

Israel Sucks!

LMAO….....

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By PatrickHenry, February 2, 2012 at 6:40 pm Link to this comment

Tic,

Your posts make no sense as is typical. 

Beware the grammer police as you yourself like to dish out.

Keep up the good work for eretz yisrael.

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By heterochromatic, February 2, 2012 at 5:46 pm Link to this comment

unless PatH you were back then paying taxes to the French or Israeli government,
which I kinda doubt.

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By heterochromatic, February 2, 2012 at 5:36 pm Link to this comment

Pat, the difference is that when Israel developed nukes, not everyone didn’t want
to invade israel and several times several bunches of suckers did or attempted to
do just that.

and your tax dollars didn’t pay for them thar bombs, Pat.

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By PatrickHenry, February 2, 2012 at 5:29 pm Link to this comment

Tic,

No one wants Israel to have nukes either given their provocative behavior.  A waste of my tax dollars in defiance of the Symington amendment.

The sheer hypocrisy of Israels claims against Iran make me want to puke when Israel is guilty of everything they accuse Iran of.

It comes as no suprise that all the sane Jews are migrating from Israel as that nations batshit leaders are pissing all over their neighbors, one day soon Israel will be a smoking hole and it will not come as a suprise to anyone.

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By heterochromatic, February 2, 2012 at 10:10 am Link to this comment

Yes, Pat no one wants Iran invaded just as no one wants Iran to have nukes.
Everyone wants neither.

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By IMax, February 2, 2012 at 6:20 am Link to this comment

“Iran is ringed by American ships, planes and bases and every day is threatened with attack by Israel.  Our spy planes and drones violate Iranian air space daily as well as intrusions into their private contracts and alliances.”

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YES!  Thank God for that.

Now let me ask again.  Why is nearly the entire planet dead-set against Iran becoming a nuclear weapon state?  Some day, at some point, you’ll have to confront real issues, Patrick.

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By omop, February 2, 2012 at 6:00 am Link to this comment

PatH. The consequences of attacking Iran is best said in this link.
Comments made by hasbaras and pseudo hasbaras equate to calling,
“woof, woof….woof”.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuVMO1u8sE4&feature=related

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By PatrickHenry, February 2, 2012 at 4:34 am Link to this comment

Imax,

The majority of the worlds nations are against any invasion of Iran as well, most of them are against a plethora of Israeli aggressions, whats your point?

Iran is ringed by American ships, planes and bases and every day is threatened with attack by Israel.  Our spy planes and drones violate Iranian air space daily as well as intrusions into their private contracts and alliances.

Israeli agents and saboteurs are killing their scientists overtly and all we have is rhetoric and no evidence of nuclear weapon production.

I don’t think if Israel wasn’t so vocal about Iran that the U.S, would be involved to the point of spending tens of millions of dollars per day projecting the force that we are today.

Those same governments who have aligned against Irans nuclear weapons program also have voted Israel as the greatest threat to world peace as well.

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1022127,00.html

As I have stated before we are sanctioning the wrong country.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/09/18/us-nuclear-iaea-sb-idUSTRE58H3QW20090918

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By IMax, February 1, 2012 at 8:11 pm Link to this comment

Patrick,

Just keep the eyes open and think out of that box. 

I’m only suggesting three solid ways to begin seeing more broadly.  The first is a seminal study of Islamic culture.  The last two represent pivotal moments in the hearts and minds of the Arab community.
Die Welt des Islams
Study the relationship Mustafa Atatürk had with Hitler and how that relationship bound the two regions together for generations.
Study Hitler’s influence on Gamal Nassar and Nassar’s dream of Pan-Arab nationalism (all Arab lands under one strong body) and the destruction of Israel.

Hitler was an unequivocal madman regardless of his hatred of Jews.  Or his belief in National Socialism.  Ted Kaczynski was a brilliant mathematician.

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It will never work with me.  This tactic of constantly changing the subject when your rationale finds its own conflicts.

The entire world’s governments strenuously object to Iran becoming a nuclear weapon state.  So far you have refused to confront this fact head-on.  Why is that?

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By PatrickHenry, February 1, 2012 at 7:25 pm Link to this comment

Imax,

I can see how the purchase of a copy of Mein Kampf in the mideast can be seen as being some sort of protest vote against Israel.

They’re probably the ones selling them to the muslims.

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By IMax, February 1, 2012 at 6:55 pm Link to this comment

hetero,

Thank you for your contribution.

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By IMax, February 1, 2012 at 6:53 pm Link to this comment

Patrick - “Do you believe that buying a copy of Mein Kampf makes Muslims evil?”

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No.  What the hell is wrong with you to come up with something like that?  i wrote nothing of the kind.  You think all people hold the same type of hate which you cling to?  You’re incredible.

I simply wrote that it’s appropriate to ask ourselves why Mein Kampf is the second-best selling book in the Middle East region.

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As do many casual observers of events you make up your mind before you delve deeper into news, history, and events.  I assure you there is nothing extraordinary in my understanding of Arab Nationalism and the role Hitler and Mein Kampf had played in that history.  You, on the other hand, appear to believe that if you’ve never heard of something it doesn’t exist.

Mein Kampf’s role is well known in Arab/Muslim academic studies (also amongst diplomatic circles around the world) as an example of the influences of Nazism for Arab nationalists.  Hitler’s philosophy of National Socialism – of a state headed by a single, strong, charismatic leader with a submissive and adoring people – was a model for the founders of the Arab nationalist movement.  Arabs favored Germany over other European powers, because “Germany was seen as having no direct colonial or territorial ambitions in the area. This was an important point of sympathy”.*  They also saw German nationhood - which preceded German statehood - as a model for their own movement.

Patrick, you’ll be shocked to learn that at the Islamic parliamentarians’ Conference (Cairo) in October 1938, anti-Jewish treatises included extracts from Mein Kampf.  Those treatises were disseminated “for the defense of Palestine”.


*Die Welt des Islams
Study Mustafa Kemal Atatürk’s relationship with Hitler
Study Hitlers influence on Gamal Abdel Nassar

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By heterochromatic, February 1, 2012 at 5:55 pm Link to this comment

PatH—-quit your Twelver propaganda,,,,,you’re
certainly an overpaid agent of Hidden Iman
Publicfabrications Inc.

nobody is busting Iran’s bunions over an attempt to
develop nuclear power for civilian purposes and you
can’t push that line of bullshit.

Nobody would give a shit about that except for sane
people who would tell the world that erecting nuclear
power plants in a region that’s subject to frequent
and severe seismic activity is entirely irresponsible
when they have oceans of oil and even more abundant
natural gas.


it’s all about the bombs and spare us the waving of
your tiny red herring.

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By heterochromatic, February 1, 2012 at 5:48 pm Link to this comment

IMax, you probably don’t realize why it is that Mein
Kampf is such a big-seller in Turkey, but I’ll lay it
out for you.

selling Mein Kampf is illegal in Germany.
there’s a tremendously large number of German’s who
wish to purchase the thing
there are great number of Turks living in Germany
who have relatives home in Turkey who are far less
affluent than are the Germans
and
them books is being bought cheap, smuggled into
Germany and sold dear.

Look into the story and you’ll find that more than
half the copies sold in Turkey aren’t even
translations but are in the original Austrian.
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them I pulled your other leg.

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By PatrickHenry, February 1, 2012 at 5:30 pm Link to this comment

Do you believe that buying a copy of Mein Kampf makes Muslims evil?

I’ve never read it, but it sounds like you have.

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By IMax, February 1, 2012 at 5:20 pm Link to this comment

Patrick,

Try not to turn away, cover your eyes, or otherwise obscure what is right before you once you are shown.

The links I shared are but two quick hits which took me all of 4 minutes to locate.  You could, if you wanted, do the same and find much more.

Yes, as much as you wish to deny it to yourself, next to the Koran Mien Kampf is the best selling book in the entire Middle east region. - Check it out.

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By heterochromatic, February 1, 2012 at 3:50 pm Link to this comment

:“phariah nation” Pat is a pretty nifty coinage…...accidental or no.

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By PatrickHenry, February 1, 2012 at 3:47 pm Link to this comment

Imax,

So the best selling book among educated muslims of a certain sect in Bangledesh qualifies as the entire middle east, just more of your hasbaric BS.

The Cretin Plenty web site has plenty of ex military israeli ‘guest writers’ no doubt of the same ilk as yourself, critical of all ‘Islamists’ and apoligetic for all of Israels war crime. 

Seen it all before.

Tic,

Iran has agreed not to develop nuclear weapons.

The countries who’ve not signed the NPT have retained their rights.

 

Some logic you have there, Iran agrees not to produce nuclear weapons but pursue nuclear power and is boycotted and sanctioned based on no evidence, Israel defies every UN mandate to come clean on its nukes and gets away with no sanctions because of the US which is in violation of its own law.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/03/31/idUS216212+31-Mar-2009+PRN20090331

We have to lose the phariah nation Israel in the worst way.  If the US wasn’t controlled by their small minority of supporters it would have ceased to exist years ago.

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By heterochromatic, February 1, 2012 at 3:33 pm Link to this comment

fescennine lawless hideous dangerous dirty and old

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By omop, February 1, 2012 at 3:24 pm Link to this comment

@ heterochromatic,

  You definitely are one of the most FESCENNINE individuals on Truthdig.

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By heterochromatic, February 1, 2012 at 2:59 pm Link to this comment

sorry mophole i wouldn’t get near to your meconium-smeared little ass.

yer gonna have to hope that someone who doesn’t mind your reek is willing to
help change you.

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By omop, February 1, 2012 at 2:51 pm Link to this comment

since you asked hetro…

mophead, it’s easy to recognize that Adelson is an asshole, but what’s in
your
mirror?  YOU

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By heterochromatic, February 1, 2012 at 2:47 pm Link to this comment

well, mophead, the asshole Adelson served in the US military and earned the right
to say whatever the fuck stupid stuff that he wants to say.
he also earned all that money that he ‘s pushing at that other asshole Gingrich.

what about yourself?

what have you earned and who have you served?

mophead, it’s easy to recognize that Adelson is an asshole, but what’s in your
mirror?

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By omop, February 1, 2012 at 2:06 pm Link to this comment

U - All

Here’s a man that puts his money where his mouth is.

http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2012/02/01/newt-gingrich-financier-
wishes-he-fought-for-israel-not-america/#

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By heterochromatic, February 1, 2012 at 11:07 am Link to this comment

PatH——-Iran has a right to develop nuclear power as a signatory of the NPT,
Israel does not.


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that’s simply dumb.

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you’ve not read the NPT and/or you’ve no concept of “rights”

Iran has agreed not to develop nuclear weapons.

The countries who’ve not signed the NPT have retained their rights.

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By IMax, February 1, 2012 at 8:15 am Link to this comment

omop, - “Wat du u all tink?”

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I think the United States has been clear in its commitment to the security of Israel.

Why do you think Iran stands nearly alone in its own quest in becoming a nuclear weapon state?

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By omop, February 1, 2012 at 7:11 am Link to this comment

@IMAX et al.

A European’s take on the Iran Frenzy.


America’s frenzy over “diabolic” Iran has its roots not on the Potomac
riverside, but rather on the banks of Tel Aviv’s Yarkon River: appeasing
the US Jewish community has become an inevitable idiosyncrasy of the
US presidential campaign.

When America beats the drums of war over Iran, it may not always be
driven by the Islamic state’s alleged nuclear intentions.
Would-be US presidential candidates aren’t shy when it comes to voicing
their anti-Iran rhetoric in front of America’s influential Jewish
community.

And America almost never misses an opportunity to praise its best ally.
“Our iron-clad commitment, and I mean iron-clad, to Israel’s security
has meant the closest military cooperation between our two countries, in
history,” announced US President Barack Obama from a rostrum in
Washington.

And the American President did not forget to point a proverbial punch at
Israel’s greatest adversary.

“Let there be no doubt: America is determined to prevent Iran from
getting a nuclear weapon, and I will take no options off the table to
achieve that goal,” Barack Obama insisted.

However, for many American Jews and Israeli supporters, Obama’s war of
words against Tehran doesn’t go far enough.

The President of the Zionist Organization of America Morton A. Klein
shared with RT that “It’s not enough to simply state you’re committed to
Israel’s security. You have to promote policies that show that you’re
serious about the security of Israel.”

“Israel, through his actions, feels that Obama is not committed to doing
everything in his power to stop Iran from having nuclear weapons. Iran is
an existential threat to Israel, and Obama should be saying so publicly,
that he will support Israel in any military action necessary,” laid down
Klein.

Klein says an unprecedented number of American Jews and Israelis share
his animosity, a feeling arguably underscored by the Israeli government.
According to published reports, Tel Aviv would only give Washington 12-
hours’ notice if deciding to strike Iran.

“I believe his [Barack Obama’s] policies are among the most hostile Israel
has ever experienced out of any [American] president in my lifetime,”
Morton A. Klein confessed.

Wat du u all tink?

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By IMax, February 1, 2012 at 5:43 am Link to this comment

Patrick,

You repeatedly attempt to pull this trick (changing the subject) but it never works.

We need to deal with reality.  The issue is not one of Iran and its nuclear research and energy.  The issue is Iran becoming a nuclear WEAPON state - I believe you know this.

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By IMax, February 1, 2012 at 5:34 am Link to this comment

PatrickHenry,

Empty rhetoric, as reported in the Guardian, meets your needs.  I understand that.  But facts trump Hamas rhetoric.

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“There is no legal and legitimate state called Israel.” - Hassan Nasrallah

“I am against any reconciliation with Israel.” - Hassan Nasrallah

“I believe that Palestine is an occupied land from the Mediterranean Sea to the Jordan River, and this is the right of the entire Palestinian people, this land.” - Hassan Nasrallah

“We will never recognize the usurper Zionist government and will continue our jihad -like movement until the liberation of Jerusalem.” - Ismail Haniyeh Dec. 8, 2008

“We came to say, the Quran is our constitution, we are committed to God and his holy book. God willing, should they try to carry out their crime against the Quran, God will tear their state apart and they will become God’s lesson to anyone who tries to desecrate the holy book.” - Ismail Haniyeh

Mein Kampf: Best seller in Muslim Bangladesh

Hitler book bestseller in Turkey

This is not the first time Mein Kampf has been translated into Arabic and become a best seller in the Arab-Muslim world. Professor Bernard Lewis quotes Sami al-Jundi, one of the first leaders of Syria ‘s ruling Baath party, reflecting on the 1930s in his autobiography, as saying: “We were racists, admiring Nazism, reading its books and the source of its thought … We were the first who thought of translating Mein Kampf .” And in fact, the book was translated into Arabic and has been widely distributed throughout the Arab-Muslim world from the 1930s to the present day.
     

For example, a number of translations have been distributed in Lebanon , a country under Syrian control. The last known edition was issued in 1995. The book was also distributed in the Palestinian Authority-administered territories by Al-Shuruq, an agency operating in Ramallah, and became a best seller in 1999.

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By PatrickHenry, February 1, 2012 at 4:31 am Link to this comment

Imax,

“You enthusiastically support Hamas”.

Bullshit

“Hamas, along with others, wants Israel to cease to exist.”


More Bullshit, but why dismiss a good parrot line.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/jan/12/israel

“Lastly.  After the Koran, Mein Kampf remains the best-selling book in the Middle East.  It’s legitimate to ask why that is.”

 

Any proof on this? or is this just more worn out zionist hasbara BS on your part?

http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/jonathon-blakeley-a-guide-to-hasbara-trolls.html

Iran has a right to develop nuclear power as a signatory of the NPT, Israel does not.

We are sanctioning the wrong country.

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By heterochromatic, January 31, 2012 at 10:00 pm Link to this comment

à bientôt Jeff.

when you count up, remember that Russia and China are willing to block a
resolution calling for Assad to step down….but they’ve gona with four rounds of
sanctions on Iran.

maybe tomorrow you can catch up to the realization that America is a blundering
bully .....and THAT still doesn’t mean that the world does know that and STILL
wants Iran bullied into backing away from possessing nuclear weapons.

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By IMax, January 31, 2012 at 9:10 pm Link to this comment

Jeff N., -  “IMax, when you can show me a report that says every country in the world is against Iran having nukes then i’ll certainly take that question seriously.”

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Well, there is no such single report that I am aware of.  I’ve simply been paying attention over many years.

Let’s look at it a slightly different way.

It’s a matter of record that the U.N. Security Council has been unanimous in condemning Iran’s conduct in the face of United Nations demands concerning weapons research and production.  Would you be able to share a single statement from the international community in support of Iran’s nuclear weapons ambitions?

You see, with the exception of Syria, no one supports Iran becoming a nuclear power.  Why do you suppose that is?  Might that have something to do with Iran?

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By Jeff N., January 31, 2012 at 9:04 pm Link to this comment

Actually hetero, you didn’t say list the non-dictators, you said list the nations. I guess you don’t consider countries with a dictator legitimate nations? smile  Since it is not useful to the discussion to even answer that question, and that you can find an easy summary of nations who are not worried about irans nuclear program just by going to wikipedias page on the subject, and also that we are just arguing in a circle at this point, I will respectfully bow out of the argument.  It has been enjoyable though, and I hope we can recommence (or perhaps agree, although that it is considerably less enjoyable) on another article at a later date.  Adieu, gentlemen.

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By heterochromatic, January 31, 2012 at 8:27 pm Link to this comment

12-2 with i abstention with the distaff agreeing that
violations are real, but that correct is best achieved
through diplomacy…..

no defenders

http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2010/sc9948.doc.htm

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By heterochromatic, January 31, 2012 at 8:20 pm Link to this comment

respectfully, Jeff, but you answered non of my
questions even slightly.

I asked to list all the non-dictators supporting Iran
in the conflict over its nuclear weapons
program…...

you can’t point to a few polls that say that the
people in some countries think that the US is a
bigger menace and say you’ve listed those people
supporting Iran.

those polls don’t say a blessed thing about Iran
being correct, good or anything remote;y germane.

In the case of Egypt, you info is barely even
correct. polls have shown that the Egyptian people
overwhelmingly dislike both countries and nearly
equally.

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By Jeff N., January 31, 2012 at 8:16 pm Link to this comment

IMax, when you can show me a report that says every country in the world is against Iran having nukes then i’ll certainly take that question seriously.

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By Jeff N., January 31, 2012 at 8:10 pm Link to this comment

hetero, i think i just answered that..  the CITIZENS of these countries (egypt, kuwait, saudi arabia, etc.) overwhelmingly view the US as the largest threat.  they also support a nuclear iran.

why would that be?  because, unlike the oppressive dictators who rule their country in return for the US promise to look the other way, iran has told us to go f*ck ourselves and that theyve had enough of the american “generosity” of the past 60 years.  obviously the government of iran is not much better (god knows the US has taken advantage of every chance to continue that trend), but it is THEIR government, and they are strong enough and in a position to break free of western hegemony.  these other countries would love to have a neighbor with stronger influence in the area.  their leaders and the US, obviously, would not. 

the IAEA jumps when the US says jump.  The director is a US pawn, just read the wikileaks cables.  their objectivity is not reliable, nor is it even relevant to what i’m saying here.

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By IMax, January 31, 2012 at 7:59 pm Link to this comment

Jeff N., - “The polls that ask the actual citizens of these countries almost unanimously regard the US as a bigger threat and are not as concerned about iran having nukes.”

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I read that too.  The problem is in how those were not “polls” but, rather, a single snap-shot in time (that date also never showed near unanimous consensus). You can persuaded me a great deal more if you direct me toward polling data spanning 5-10-and 25 years past.  Do that and I’ll very quickly re-evaluate.

We can’t slough this question off to “puppet regimes” under U.S. control.  It rings shallow considering that it’s the entire world that is against Iran becoming a nuclear power.  And the states you mention are the very governments begging the U.S. to act.  Not the other way around.  I believe you are grossly misjudging the situation.

I do not intent to be facetious when I point out how difficult it’s been for you to answer this fundamental question.  Why is the entire world against Iran becoming a nuclear weapon state?  Is it at least possible it has something to do with Iran?

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By heterochromatic, January 31, 2012 at 7:11 pm Link to this comment

Jeff, perhaps you’ll understand that Iran is also a
dictatorship, a theocratic one, and perhaps you
could point to the list of nations that support
Iran’s nuclear weapons program…...or the list of
nation willing to declare that Iran does NOT have a
weapons program or say that is not violating Iran’s
obligations agreed to with the IAEA ....after they
were previously found to be
violating….............. +2.

which of Iran’s friends and allies are NOT
dictatorships?

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By Jeff N., January 31, 2012 at 6:58 pm Link to this comment

IMax, i believe when you’re referring to the governments of UAE, Kurait, Saudi Arabia etc. supporting the US against iran, you’re talking about dictators coming out in support of the US.  Dictators who are in the pockets of the US.  The polls that ask the actual citizens of these countries almost unanimously regard the US as a bigger threat and are not as concerned about iran having nukes.

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By IMax, January 31, 2012 at 6:37 pm Link to this comment

hetero, Patrick,

It’s easy to see why these issues are so very difficult. 

The existence of Israel has never been acceptable in its neighborhood and the Palestinians have been used and abused for an entire generation by everyone.  The Israeli has a great deal in common with her Palestinian neighbor.

I believe the Israeli population has, for decades, shown the desire to be left to its own devises if only they were left to their own devises.  Unfortunately there are enough Muslim Arabs who believe the existence of Israel, like any foreigner in Mecca, to be a mortal sin.

There is one fundamental aspect, Patrick, that you don’t seem to allow.  Well, two actually.  1.  The state of Israel, from its very inception, has been under threat and on the defense and act entirely consistent with always being on the defense. 2. The Palestinians have been living and dying fighting a long and sustained Arab lead proxy war against Israel.

Lastly.  After the Koran, Mein Kampf remains the best-selling book in the Middle East.  It’s legitimate to ask why that is.

Hamas, along with others, wants Israel to cease to exist.  I cannot give any notion like that my support.  Nor can I support anyone who supports Hamas.  I’m sorry if your hungry and have no employment.  In real life we need to draw real lines.  Killing the entire Jewish nation is such a line.  You are entirely on your own.

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By heterochromatic, January 31, 2012 at 5:28 pm Link to this comment

Pat, Hamas exists because israel exists and not because oppression exists…..the
oppression merely serves to strengthen Hamas, temporarily.

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By PatrickHenry, January 31, 2012 at 5:24 pm Link to this comment

Imax,

If Israel didn’t oppress the Pals, Hamas wouldn’t exist.

I don’t support Hamas nor do I support Israel, but I do support the people to elect whomever they want and Hamas much like the likud, was their answer.

Not worth one dime of our treasure nor one drop of American blood.

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By IMax, January 31, 2012 at 5:09 pm Link to this comment

hetero,

Yes.

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By heterochromatic, January 31, 2012 at 4:32 pm Link to this comment

IMax, hamas did not expect to win election and was quite surprised that they
did…Governing was not their intent and opposition was their customary position
and strength.

To date, though, they’ve responded fairly adroitly and have exploited the isolation
of Gaza to their advantage. they now control not only all the government psots in
gaza but the greatest part of the economy, centered around the tunnel trade,  as
well.

and the UN still keeps on feeding most of the Gazans (courtesy of the US and UK)

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By IMax, January 31, 2012 at 3:58 pm Link to this comment

Sorry for my many typos and grammatical errors.  I admit to not putting in the time here.  I tend to say my ‘peace’ and move along quickly.

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By IMax, January 31, 2012 at 3:51 pm Link to this comment

PatrickHenry,

You enthusiastically support Hamas.  An organization who’s leadership enjoys almost no support of any government in the Middle East - you seem uninterested.  Frankly, apart from your obvious and focused disdain for Israel, I can’t seem to make heads or tails of what, if anything, you believe in.

Yes, Hamas was elected within its sphere of influence and should remain in office for its tenure.*  At the same time there is nothing which compels the U.S., or anyone else for that matter, to support Hamas (the U.S., Britain, and France resort to begging Arab states for direct humanitarian aid to the larger PA controlled ares).  Particularly while Hamas, in its current form, runs counter to U.S. interests. 

History is clear on the subject.  An election does does not guarantee representative forms of governance or partner in peace.

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*Hamas has found actual governance is not the same, not nearly as easy, as spiriting a cause.  Leadership is having a difficult time in its new role.  Division is growing and support for the Hamas style of hard-line Sharia governance is rapidly loosing favor.

Counter to Hamas the PA has recently shown a sincere willingness toward cooperation with Israel and the international community.  The PA has taken its own security, and that of Israel, more seriously in the past few years.  Today P.A. controlled areas, with the support of Israel, the United States, Canada, Britain, France, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, the UAE and Australia, where “free enterprise zones” have been established, is experiencing an historic economic boom - Economic growth for the occupied areas reached about 4-5% and unemployment dropped roughly 3%.  Since 2005 tourism has increased by 50%.

I have yet to see you stand up for people.  You’re always speaking out for a vague notion of a cause.  A cause which I have yet to determine it’s nature.

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By heterochromatic, January 30, 2012 at 7:25 pm Link to this comment

Pat—-I’m sure that you and anybody else with ten
minutes to spare can refresh their memory about why
the Israelis were forced to release Yassin…....

it surely wasn’t because the Israelis were in the
process of treating Hamas’ leadership kindly.

this assertion from yourself about a set-up is REALLY
wrong.

this time you swung at a pitch three feet off the
plate and in the dirt and struck out.

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By PatrickHenry, January 30, 2012 at 7:10 pm Link to this comment

Israel let Yassin go after 1 year of a 10 year sentence, he raised hell and incited violence against Israel upon his release.  The whole affair stinks as a setup.

Israel needs detractors, if none existed it would be necessary to create them, all part of the victimhood complex. 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123275572295011847.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

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By heterochromatic, January 30, 2012 at 6:38 pm Link to this comment

no Pat, Hamas was not a creation of Israel…..

you’re confusing two distinct things.

Hamas was created by people who were most definitely
NOT Israelis or friends to Israel.

what you might wish to say is that Israel later
thought it useful to allow Hamas to work against
Palestinian support for Fatah.

sometimes you take the base hit, Pat, and forego
trying to stretch it to a triple.

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By PatrickHenry, January 30, 2012 at 6:20 pm Link to this comment

tic,

Hamas was a creation of Israel whose chickens have come home to roost.  They are a legal political party and like the likud have to be dealt with, like it or not.

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/ZER403A.html

Your hasbaric judgement of which government is good versus which government is bad is laughable and wholly subjective on your part and sounds like a zionist script.

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By heterochromatic, January 30, 2012 at 6:18 pm Link to this comment

Oceanna, aw, gee. sorry. 

let me most respectfully say that you’re simply
saying things without having the slightest bit of
fact or sense or reason and that the thing that you
alleged the US “is hell-bent to invade Iran” is
something that a well-read and intelligent and
wonderfully refined and sensitive person of the
female gender such as yourself probably should
refrain from offering in such a bald and declarative
manner without having the wisdom and good judgment,
that everyone is certain you possess, to first
touching base with reality.

have a wonderful fantasy life.

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By Oceanna, January 30, 2012 at 5:53 pm Link to this comment

@Hetero

You need to read the user agreement.  You’re not supposed to go around
flinging profanities at people you disagree with. 

Not that that surprises me that you’re unable to disagree with a woman or
anyone for that matter without resorting to adolescent temper tantrums that
make you look like a pathetic little man, of which you most certainly are. 

Don’t accost me again!

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By IMax, January 30, 2012 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment

Jeff N., - “my point, is concerned with the US reaction to this.”

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I’m sure you would agree that Iran as a nuclear power is a global issue.  If it’s not discussed as a global issue we’re not really discussing the issue at all. 

Nearly everyone on this particular Web site nearly always wants to talk about the United States and/or Israel.  It matters none where in the world events take place - I would LOVE to have a decent and respectful conversation about the real world before us.  The world in which there are roughly 200 nations.  Each with their own best interests and interactions with the rest of the world.

If the topic is Iran with nuclear weapons I am certain every government on the planet is, first and foremost, discussing Iran.  If the United States, and its reaction to Iran as a nuclear power is of concern to you, is it not imperative to take another look at my question?

Why is Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Kuwait and the UAE begging the United States to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear power?  Why is every nation on the planet, less Iran and Syria, openly dead-set against Iran becoming a nuclear power?

What I am asking is unavoidable.  These are serious questions which, I believe, must be addressed prior to addressing your concerns.  The answers have little to do with the United States and a great deal to do with Iran. 

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Go to your TD “control panel”.  You’ll find a composition tool which has a few basic writing tools. wink

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By Jeff N., January 30, 2012 at 3:04 pm Link to this comment

hetero- haha i’m sure you’re right about hamas and israel, the whole situation is just so ludicrous and apparently hopeless i haven’t really looked into it.

imax - how did you do the italics?  i don’t find it particularly surprising that nations do not support yet another country in the middle east getting nukes.  as i said, why would they.. but this article, and my point, is concerned with the US reaction to this.

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By heterochromatic, January 30, 2012 at 2:35 pm Link to this comment

Jeff—- why should not we have that aim?  Iran has an utterly horrible government.


Israel has a bad government, India not a good one, and Pakistan one far worse
than the previously-mentioned two….and Pakistan and India have more than once
come close to using nukes against each other.

but Iran’s government is by far uglier than any nuclear nation since the end of
Stalinist Russia…..

there’s NOTHING good about them possessing nuclear weapons.

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By omop, January 30, 2012 at 2:30 pm Link to this comment

Gather round boys and girls uncle BS has a new chapter on how a teenee
weenee kid that has over 200 nuclear slingshots is crying and moaning
about how a kid down the street is building ONE slingshot that may be
nuclear and a threat to the entire world.

Uncle BS has promised a happy ending to this David and Goliath look-alike
story and is accepting bets as to who the winner will be with the odds set at  
the usual rates.

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By Jeff N., January 30, 2012 at 2:28 pm Link to this comment

hetero, well thats precisely where we go down different paths, i dont think it should be the aim of the US to have that condition for negotiating. india has nukes (and is not even part of the NPT) and we don’t seem to be on constant edge of warfare with them. So, it is possible to make it work. I also don’t think it is politically feasible for US to try and play global police at this point in time. But oh well, agree to disagree.

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By IMax, January 30, 2012 at 2:27 pm Link to this comment

Jeff N., - No one wants Iran to have nukes.  No sane person wants any country to have nukes.

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Yet several nations do have nuclear weapons.  Putting that Jeanie back in the bottle completely will prove next to impossible.

Only one nation wishes the Islamic Republic of Iran to posses nuclear weapons. Syria.  My question is essential to this entire subject.  Why, in a world of over 200 nations, does Syria and Iran stand entirely alone in support of Iran becoming a nuclear weapon state?

This is a sincere question which I hope you’ll take seriously.  The answer has nothing to do with the United States or Israel.

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Apology accepted.

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By heterochromatic, January 30, 2012 at 2:24 pm Link to this comment

Jeff—- israel has shown itself willing to recognize the existence of Palestine,,,,at
Oslo and again at negotiations at the end of Clinton’s presidency.

Israel’s current government is far less reasonable than were former ones, but
Hamas has remained steadily opposed to any real peace deal with Israel (beyond a
temporary cease-fire) and has always had a practice of never negotiating at the
same table with Israelis as doing that implies the legitimacy of Israeli authority.

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By Jeff N., January 30, 2012 at 2:03 pm Link to this comment

hetero, it doesn’t seem like the viewpoint of israel towards palestine is any more reasonable, they don’t even recognize their existence… however i’ve never really cared to delve too deep into the palestine/israel situation, as it appears to be two toddlers fighting an eternal battle over a toy truck.

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By heterochromatic, January 30, 2012 at 2:01 pm Link to this comment

Iran doesn’t want to be worked with diplomatically if such diplomatic work will
interfere with their ability to continue their nuclear work…...and our aim is to stop
such work unless and until we’re sure that the work no longer involves the ability
to construct nuclear weaponry…..


we continue looking for a way to make some diplomatic progress to resolve the
contradictory aims, but diplomacy has limits.

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By Jeff N., January 30, 2012 at 1:50 pm Link to this comment

IMax, I apologize for the assanine nature of my comment, it was an (apparently poor) attempt at humor.

No one wants (I wish italics was available here because the wants would be italicized) Iran to have nukes.  No sane person wants any country to have nukes.  The question that needs to be asked is why would they want/need them?  Why does this question seem to keep getting recycled through political debates when election season draws near, then forgotten?  What actions have the U.S. and U.K. taken in the past ohh half-century to prompt Iran’s behavior?  Invading their country after WW2? Throwing out their democratically elected leader and installing our own choice of an oppressive dictator?  Supporting Iraq’s invasion of Iran?  Sanctions upon sanctions that have their biggest impact on innocent citizens in Iran? The list goes on and on, yet people still seem dumbfounded by the idea that a country would want the right to defend itself from a hegemonic world superpower that has oppressed their country for decades. 

So, Iran can gear up for another fifty year raping from the west, or they can try and make a statement that they’ve had enough and are not going to be bullied around anymore.  China doesn’t have a problem with it, Russia doesn’t have a problem with it.  The US knows there isn’t really anything to be done about it anyways, so why not put an end to the era of regime change in the name of ‘spreading democracy’ and ‘promoting world peace’ and start earning these peoples respect by working with them diplomatically?

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By heterochromatic, January 30, 2012 at 12:50 pm Link to this comment

JeffN—- Hamas is a violent terrorist organization resisting Israel by trying to kill
Israelis in Israel minding their own damn business.

Hamas’ idea of resistance is to destroy Israel because all the land belongs to
followers of Islam and can never include a government that is not part of Islam.

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By heterochromatic, January 30, 2012 at 12:46 pm Link to this comment

Oceanna—- “The US is obviously hell-bent to invade Iran, no matter what, like
Iraq. “


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entirely untrue, and you would be fucking hard-pressed to find anyone in any
position of authority in the US who has even suggested invading Iran.

you’re just pulling “invasion” from out yer ass

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By IMax, January 30, 2012 at 12:41 pm Link to this comment

Jeff N., - “good god man you need to be put away.”  “IMax, now hezbollah and hamas are going to nuke israel?”

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First, and I can’t stress this enough:  You could have chosen to make your point without being a complete ass.

Second:  I am more than willing to defend anything I say or write.  I wrote nothing about Hezbollah or Hamas using nuclear weapons directly against Israel. 

Third:  You incorrectly attribute international sanctions placed on Iran to the U.S. and Israel.  It would be impossible to discuss this situation while you’re aware of only 1/100th of this global event.

Now I have a question for you.  There are just over 200 nations on earth.  Aside from Iran which nations support Iran with nuclear weapons capabilities?

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By Jeff N., January 30, 2012 at 12:12 pm Link to this comment

IMax, now hezbollah and hamas are going to nuke israel?  good god man you need to be put away.  hamas has resisted illegal and violent occupation of its land by israel, and for that reason they are considered terrorists?  Israel with the help of US has committed more violence than either of these groups ever have, and they continue to do so.  Now that these groups have a stronger partner in iran, israel is crapping their pants.

By continuing with violence and sanctions and aggression, Israel/US is ensuring that there will never be any peace.  These countries (not israel of course) have continually tried to form a nuclear weapons free zone at the UN, but the US will not agree. So, really, who is the aggressor in this situation, and who is just trying to protect themselves?  This fear-based terrorism blame-game is just going to hurt us more and more the longer we keep it going.

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By Oceanna, January 30, 2012 at 9:48 am Link to this comment

So when is the specially designed bomb going to be used on Iran—before or
after interventions in Syria by more than likely proxies, the Gulf allies who were
given billions of dollars in weapons during December? 

The US is obviously hell-bent to invade Iran, no matter what, like Iraq. 
Monstrosities like the “super bunker-buster” aren’t developed only to be
shelved after being paraded as if it’s a deterrent. The overriding message to
Iran and the world is that US/Israeli military aggression is inevitable. 

Not coincidentally, this latest weapon against Iran just happened to be
introduced during the IAEA inspection and the announcements of Iran cutting
off oil from EU countries on its own scheduling.  I don’t think the threat of it of
it will prevent the Iranians from acting autonomously.  If anything, they’ll see
more clearly the longer range plans for their country and act accordingly in
building alliances and doing whatever else within their power to circumvent a
devastating invasion.  And no, it won’t be by relinquishing any 20% medical
grade uranium processing. 

Things are frighteningly out-of-control with the US military nexus both abroad
and at home where citizens are increasingly subjected to treatment given to the
civilians in the invading countries, whether its suspicion of terrorism or
cracking down on the OWS with military crowd control measures used in Iraq. 

The more thoughtful probably need to can it for their own good, considering
the rapidly growing fascism.

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By IMax, January 30, 2012 at 9:32 am Link to this comment

grokker,

I think some people so hate Israel they have lost nearly all objectivity.  With that said; it’s very possible Israel has no nuclear weapons but, rather, uses the same deterrent threat as if it has.

The entire Middle East region, along with nearly all Western industrial nations, believed Saddam Hussein held both biological and chemical weapons and was again well on the way to possessing nuclear weapon capabilities.  As a deterrent Hussein made a calculated decision to feign possessing more than he actually possessed.

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By IMax, January 30, 2012 at 9:23 am Link to this comment

Jeff N., - “the question is why do we care if Iran has nukes?”

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In order to prevent miscalculation, to prevent a full-on nuclear arms race in the Middle East, to prevent the passing of nuclear capabilities to Hezbollah or Hamas Iran must be prevented from achieving nuclear weapon break-out capabilities.

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By grokker, January 30, 2012 at 7:46 am Link to this comment

IMax—“Those who insist Israel currently holds nuclear weapons do so armed with even less information than the world currently possesses on Iran’s nuclear weapons capabilities.”

Why do think that is? It’s becoming increasingly clear that dissemination of the information is now so politically charged that we’ll receive it when it’s deemed necessary. One only needs to look at the way the IAEA has handled the “cleanup” at Fukushima to know that it is both a regulatory and promoter of the nuclear power industry. Sounds like too much of a conflict of interest to me. In fact the IAEA’s charter admits to being a promoter of nuclear power.

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By Jeff N., January 30, 2012 at 7:33 am Link to this comment

IMax, the question is why do we care if iran has nukes?  as i typed in a previous post which apparently didn’t get posted, there are enough weapons on diego garcia to wipe iran off the map in a matter of hours.  we’ve been slowly ruining this country since the 50’s and we are actually surprised that this country wants a nuke to defend itself? let them be for chrissakes, how many smaller countries do we have to destroy before people say enough of the american imperial regime?  fortunately iran has a decent enough relationship with china or else they’d probably already be bombed back to the stone age.

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By IMax, January 30, 2012 at 7:00 am Link to this comment

If this type of ordinance works, GREAT!  If it doesn’t work, but forces Iran to spend millions, or even billions, on defending its nuclear sites, GREAT!  If publishing information about this type of ordinance causes Iran’s near and far neighbors to conclude that the United States takes their warnings concerning Iran seriously, GREAT!

To prevent miscalculation, to prevent a full-on nuclear arms race in the Middle East, to prevent the passing of nuclear capabilities to Hezbollah or Hamas Iran must be prevented from achieving nuclear break-out capabilities.

Iran will feel less threatened after three things happen. 1. Iran must end its persistent meddling in it’s neighbors affairs - 2. Recognize Israel’s right to exist - 3. Disarm Israel of its nuclear weapons if, in fact, Israel currently holds those capabilities.

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Here’s an interesting rub.  Those who insist Israel currently holds nuclear weapons do so armed with even less information than the world currently possesses on Iran’s nuclear weapons capabilities.

I believe Israel does hold nuclear weapons.  But then I also believe Iran, if not already possessing weapons capabilities, is nearly capable of the same.

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By PatrickHenry, January 30, 2012 at 4:37 am Link to this comment

I wonder when the IAEA is going to stick its nose in Israels secret nuclear program?

It the biggest non-secret out there.

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By heterochromatic, January 29, 2012 at 11:46 pm Link to this comment

grokker—-there’s no fooling around.. The IAEA has a special delegation that
arrived in Tehran earlier on Saturday for what they hope will be serious talks with
iran and some serious answers about the reports.


http://www.uskowioniran.com/2012/01/iaea-inspectors-in-tehran.html

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By grokker, January 29, 2012 at 11:20 pm Link to this comment

We are talking about a potential WWIII scenario. This is no time for sketchy information and non transparency. This ain’t no foolin’ around. The IAEA is an inspection organization that is now trying to play the role of an intelligence organization. If it doesn’t want to divulge sources, then leave it completely out of the report. And not to even reveal the country of origin of the info? It has no value otherwise. Look around you and see the war hysteria. We have a senior writer for the Washington Post actually writing that a war with Iran would help our flailing economy. Even a former senior IAEA official has been quoted as saying he is “underwhelmed by the information” on the latest report.

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By heterochromatic, January 29, 2012 at 11:09 pm Link to this comment

grok——- are you serious about that “what are they trying to hide by not giving the
names of the state sources” thing ?


this is intelligence info, my friend….nobody is going to publicly give out the sources
for who’s got people inside Iran passing on info…..  Governments tend to look with
great disfavor upon their citizens who pass along that kind of stuff…...and knowing
who’s getting the info helps in catching and doing very painful things to the folks
doing the giving.

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By grokker, January 29, 2012 at 10:58 pm Link to this comment

Bigger bombs are needed, more taxpayer money to bolster the defense contractors. They want a war so badly and we know who the “they” are.The more I read this IAEA report, the shiftier it sounds. 25 page document, close to 30 references to “information supplied by member states”. What are they trying to hide by not supplying the names of even the countries where this supposed information has come from, and the information seems often lacking in detail. There is doubt about the current legitimacy of the IAEA since it has been headed by its newly “elected” Yukia Amano. The new report is seen by many as having been designed for “regime change”, a report heavily spun politically. Many of the allegations in this report have been known and discussed by experts for years, but the new additions to this report seem to not have much true intelligence value. What it comes down to is the vagueness of this report and its validity should be taken at face value.

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By Jeff N., January 29, 2012 at 9:37 pm Link to this comment

it’s good to see the gears of the western propaganda machine being nicely greased before the election.  yes, lets focus peoples attention on yet another middle eastern boogey-man with their fingers inches away from a nuclear bomb and certain apocalypse on earth.  all the better to keep them from asking about health care, jobs, campaign finance laws, bank regulation, etc. etc. etc.  pathetic

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By heterochromatic, January 29, 2012 at 9:04 pm Link to this comment

SB——you skipped a lotta school?

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By jerry, January 29, 2012 at 7:24 pm Link to this comment
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hetero, the basic question is why do we even care if they have nukes.  iran has been accused of this since 2003 so why is it all of a sudden a big deal?  the u.s. has enough weapons sitting on diego garcia right now to blow iran off the map if they flinch the wrong way, so what possible sense would it make for iran to attack another country.  The west has been f*cking with iran since the 50’s and we havent taken our boot off their neck since.  how would you react if you were them?  at what point does the us stop ruining smaller countries and begin to spend their efforts domestically?  but as soon as this starts popping up in the headlines of western media again, people like you are ready to give the green light once more.  mind-boggling.

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By heterochromatic, January 29, 2012 at 7:22 pm Link to this comment

grok——that was good and fair of you and you get a tip of my cap…..

I join you in not wanting any part of a war with iran and also in thinking that
Pakistan’s nukes are scary and that all the nuclear material that belonged to the
Soviet Union probably isn’t all where it’s supposed to be.

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By grokker, January 29, 2012 at 7:09 pm Link to this comment

Hetero - I made my last post before reading the IAEA report, and I have to say now, that yes, there is evidence of intention to make a bomb. A lot of the evidence has been known for years so the urgency of what this report concludes is still the great unknown for me. There are a few nations that have the bomb and frankly, are more unstable than Iran is as a threat to the world. The timing of this in terms of urgency and true threat of Iran to anyone is suspect, so that makes me think that there is more to the run up to war than Iran’s infant nuke program.

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By heterochromatic, January 29, 2012 at 7:07 pm Link to this comment

Oh No Mr Brilliant Bill

http://www.pappasontaxes.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/mr-bill-ohh-
nooo-magnet-c11751410.jpg

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By Gregorio, January 29, 2012 at 6:53 pm Link to this comment
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One might, if he were not capable of discerning rational and informed argument from the
persiflage of the know-nothing, conclude Heterochromatic had an inside track on foreign
policy intelligence and was speaking with authority rather than opinionated bluster. One
would be wrong in so doing. Heterochromatic’s claims about Iran’ alleged nuclear
weapons program are at variance with the CIA, Leon Panetta, the Pentagon, and all
European intelligence agencies reporting on th matter. He chooses to take a position and
make claims worthy of an AIPAC stooge or neo-con war monger, and appears to believe
that the US has the right to start wars on a whim. That the president, the secretary of
state, and many of the advisors close to both that also hold positions in or portfolios
containing armaments company investments, are in agreement with Heterochromatic’s
dedication to US exceptionalism and indifference to the lives of third world people, is one
clear indication the dude does not belong here.

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By BrilliantBill, January 29, 2012 at 6:45 pm Link to this comment

I’ll bet if we’re good boys and really work hard we can make one that will burrow all the way to hell—and we can blow up Satan himself.

Won’t that be special!

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